Posted July 27, 20231 yr Hi , long time no see or post. I've been posted my ideas for expanding Amtrak beyond what has been suggested in the 2035 plan & FRA corridor / LD proposal over on Reddit. I plug most of the missing service gaps on the 2035 proposal with realistic ideas. I will admit that the high speed rail proposal is abit of a fantasy. Someone over on Reddit suggested I post it here. I will post my full plan on this thread , not limited to Ohio. I will start with Ohio > New York > Pennsylvania > New England > South Jersey > Delaware-Maryland > Virginia > North Carolina... Ohio Core Upgrades Restore Intercity & Regional Rail Service to Cleveland Union Terminal Build a 220mph High Speed Line: Chicago (Millennium Station) Chicago – Fort Wayne – Toledo – Cleveland – Pittsburgh & Cleveland – Toledo – Detroit Upgrade the remaining Intercity rail lines to 90-110mph w/ dedicated tracks along Freight lines New Regional Rail line : Cleveland – Warren- Youngstown New Regional Rail line : Cleveland – Akron – Canton New Regional Rail line : Cleveland – Loraine – Sandusky New Amtrak Routes Erie Limited : Cleveland – Erie – Binghamton – Port Jervis – Hoboken – 1x daily Pennsylvanian : Cleveland – Youngstown – Pittsburgh – Philadelphia – New York – 1x daily Empire : Cleveland – Erie – Buffalo – Rochester – Syracuse – Albany – New York – 1x daily Erie-Berkshires : Cleveland - Erie - Buffalo - Albany - Springfield - Worcester - Boston - 2x daily Cleveland Night Express : Cleveland – Youngstown – Pittsburgh – DC – 1x overnight Allegheny Limited : Pittsburgh – Columbus – Cincinnati – 5x daily Buckeye Service : Cleveland – Columbus-Dayton-Cincinnati – 8x daily Three Rivers: Chicago – Fort Wayne – Youngstown – Pittsburgh – Philly - New York – 1x daily Nickle plate limited : Chicago – South Bend – Cleveland - Erie – Buffalo – 2x daily Shenandoah : Cincinnati – Parkersburg – Cumberland – DC – 1x daily National limited : St. Louis – Indianapolis – Columbus – Pittsburgh – Philly – NY – 1x daily Ohio Plains : Chicago – Fort Wayne – Columbus – 3x daily Hoosier : Chicago – Lafayette – Indianapolis – Cincinnati – 3x daily Pan-American : Cincinnati - Louisville - Nashville - Birmingham - Mobile - New Orleans - 1x daily Edited July 27, 20231 yr by Nexis4Jersey
July 28, 20231 yr What tracks are you proposing to use for the restoration of the National Limited and Shenandoah routes? The Dayton-Indianapolis and Weirton-Pittsburgh sections are long gone from the National Limited route. And the most of the Cincinnati-Clarksburg, WV route has been gone for just as long (40 years). Restoring each for just one train a day in each direction doesn't make economic sense. At least with the Columbus-Pittsburgh section, you're sharing it with other trains so that 40-mile restoration might make some sense if you can come up with a fast way to get into downtown Pittsburgh. BTW, I would run more trains between Cincinnati, Indy and Chicago. FRA's recent Midwest Study showed that route has even better ridership potential than 3C. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 30, 20231 yr Author On 7/28/2023 at 6:54 PM, KJP said: What tracks are you proposing to use for the restoration of the National Limited and Shenandoah routes? The Dayton-Indianapolis and Weirton-Pittsburgh sections are long gone from the National Limited route. And the most of the Cincinnati-Clarksburg, WV route has been gone for just as long (40 years). Restoring each for just one train a day in each direction doesn't make economic sense. At least with the Columbus-Pittsburgh section, you're sharing it with other trains so that 40-mile restoration might make some sense if you can come up with a fast way to get into downtown Pittsburgh. BTW, I would run more trains between Cincinnati, Indy and Chicago. FRA's recent Midwest Study showed that route has even better ridership potential than 3C. The National Limited & Allegheny Limited would use the line to Newark - Urichsville - Rook Subdivison of NS and then one of the connector lines that feed into Pittsburgh Union. I have 4 trains per day on that route. The Shenandoah used an abandoned CSX line through the Northern part of West Virginia.. I read the FRA Mideastern report but there is only so many trains you can run per day if the journey end to end takes over 6hrs. If the line was upgraded to 110mph then you could reduce the travel times down to 4-5hrs instead of 8hrs...and then you could probably run 8-10 trains per day.
July 30, 20231 yr Author New York Regional & Intercity Rail Proposals Core Infrastructure Upgrades Build 2 dedicated tracks alongside existing CSX line, Electrify and increase speeds to 110mph Build a Southern Tier Intercity Rail Network , speeds up to 110mph Build a higher speed corridor into Massachusetts, electrify, speeds up to 110mph Electrify and upgrade the remaining MTA Diesel lines Build a Rail line to Stewart Airport off the Port Jervis Line Upgrade the Adirondack Line to 90mph Add Infill Amtrak Stations at : Dunkirk , Batavia , Tonawanda West Shore Line : Hoboken – Teaneck – Tappan – West Haverstraw – Newburgh Extend the Pascack Valley Line to Suffern Expanded & New Amtrak Intercity Routes Lackawanna Service: Hoboken –Newark – Scranton – Binghamton – Buffalo – 4x daily Southern Tier Ltd: Chicago – Cleveland – Binghamton – Scranton – Hoboken -1x daily Erie Ltd : Cleveland – Erie – Binghamton – Port Jervis – Hoboken – 1x daily Phoebe Snow : Hoboken – Newark – Scranton – Buffalo – Niagara Falls – 1x overnight Empire Service : New York – Albany – Rochester – Buffalo – 9x daily Empire Service : New York – Albany – Schenectady – Saratoga Springs – FT Edward – 3x daily Hudson-Island: Ronkonkoma –Jamaica-JFK Airport – NYP – Yonkers- Albany – Troy– 3x daily Adirondack: New York – Albany – Saratoga Springs – Plattsburgh – 1x daily Ethan Allen Service : Burlington - Rutland - Troy - Albany - NY - 2x daily Green Mountain Flyer: Montreal - Burlington - Rutland – Troy - Albany - GCT - 1x overnight Erie-Berkshires : Cleveland – Buffalo – Albany – Springfield – Boston – 3x daily Finger Lakes Limited : Hoboken – Newark – Scranton – Binghamton – Syracuse – 2x daily Interstate Limited : DC - Baltimore - Philadelphia - Allentown - Scranton - Binghamton - Syracuse - 1x daily Niagara Rainbow: Detroit - London - Hamilton - Niagara Falls - Buffalo - Rochester - Albany – New York - 1x daily
August 3, 20231 yr Overall, I like big picture thinking and this is a doozie. The general concept and services are good. The first two items are similar to what the Lakeshore Rail Alliance is calling for, except that CSX will not allow speeds over 90 mph on its right of way. Even so, this would be a huge advance because we would have dedicated tracks, which would allow greater frequencies and somewhat higher speeds. Passenger trains would also not be subject to freight delays. This is what the New York Empire Corridor EIS 90B option calls for. As for 110 mph service on the NY Southern Tier line, that simply is not possible since it's too curvy. You might get 80-90 mph in places. Even that would be an advance for an area where there is little to no choice but to drive. That said, it might be possible to take a "blended corridor" approach, especially for the Empire Corridor, where some segments could operate on the NYS Thruway (I-90) right of way at speeds as high as 125 mph, something to consider as time goes by. Another consideration would be to get higher average speeds by eliminating bottlenecks and congested areas. This will require bypasses and flyovers, but should be done. Right now, probably the worst bottleneck is the Porter IN-Chicago IL NS line, which should be bypassed with a new dedicated passenger only line. Edited August 3, 20231 yr by neony
August 3, 20231 yr Author 3 hours ago, neony said: Overall, I like big picture thinking and this is a doozie. The general concept and services are good. The first two items are similar to what the Lakeshore Rail Alliance is calling for, except that CSX will not allow speeds over 90 mph on its right of way. Even so, this would be a huge advance because we would have dedicated tracks, which would allow greater frequencies and somewhat higher speeds. Passenger trains would also not be subject to freight delays. This is what the New York Empire Corridor EIS 90B option calls for. As for 110 mph service on the NY Southern Tier line, that simply is not possible since it's too curvy. You might get 80-90 mph in places. Even that would be an advance for an area where there is little to no choice but to drive. That said, it might be possible to take a "blended corridor" approach, especially for the Empire Corridor, where some segments could operate on the NYS Thruway (I-90) right of way at speeds as high as 125 mph, something to consider as time goes by. Another consideration would be to get higher average speeds by eliminating bottlenecks and congested areas. This will require bypasses and flyovers, but should be done. Right now, probably the worst bottleneck is the Porter IN-Chicago IL NS line, which should be bypassed with a new dedicated passenger only line. CSX wanted New York State to build a wall between its tracks and the 110mph tracks... The State rejected this for some reason.. They were already starting upgrading the New York-Hudson,NY section to 110mph. A decade ago the tracks around Albany were upgraded to 110mph. CSX does use those tracks, so I'm not sure why they object to faster speeds elsewhere. The ROW used to hold 4 tracks in many places, so space isn't really an issue. Buffalo to Cleveland can be 90mph , which is only 10mph faster than today along most stretches.. I think a Blended corridor would be the best long term solution though I-90 bypasses a lot of Upstate towns & Cities and getting back to the CSX line will require the seizure of a lot of property. Amtrak has proposed upgrading the straighter sections of the Lackawanna corridor to 110mph , so you could probably upgrade the tracks up to 110mph to Binghamton , Syracuse & Elmira...the rest of the sections could be 70-90mph.. The Line via Port Jervis has the most curves and via Jamestown probably no faster than 60mph. Only the 110 & 125 option had complete separation from Freight , the 90 has a few pinch points and doesn't fully address the worst bottlenecks of the NYP-Albany segment.
August 3, 20231 yr Author Pennsylvania Intercity & Regional Rail Proposals Core Infrastructure Upgrades Upgrade the Keystone Corridor to 125mph & Increase service to 15x daily : HRB – PHL Restore SEPTA Service to West Chester , Reading/Pottsville , Allentown Extend SEPTA Service to New Hope , Oxford & via the Stony Creek Branch , Hazleton Re-electrify & build a Susquehanna Rail Network connecting Central PA Stourbridge Line : Hoboken - Port Jervis - Lackawaxen - Hawley - Honesdale - 3x daily NJT Lehigh Line : Allentown - Bethlehem - Easton - Plainfield - Newark - New York - 12x daily NJT Crusader Service : Hoboken – Newark Penn – West Trenton – Jenkentown – Philadephia - 6x daily Build 2 dedicated tracks alongside the NS Reading & Lehigh Lines upgrade to 110mph New or Expanded Amtrak Services Pennsylvanian : New York – Philadelphia - Pittsburgh – 1x daily & Cleveland – Pittsburgh – Philly – 2x daily Scrantonian : Pittsburgh – State College – Williamsport – Scranton – 2x daily Three Rivers : Chicago – Fort Wayne – Youngstown – Pittsburgh – Philly - New York – 1x daily Allegheny Service : Cincinnati – Columbus – Pittsburgh – 3x daily Empire Service : Cleveland – Erie – Buffalo – Rochester - Albany – NY – 1x daily Potomac Service : Pittsburgh – Cumberland - DC – 2x daily Susquehanna Service : Richmond – DC – Baltimore – Harrisburg – Scranton – 3x daily Susquehanna Service : Philadelphia – Harrisburg – Williamsport – State College – Pittsburgh – 3x daily Lackawanna Service: Hoboken –Newark – Scranton – Binghamton – Buffalo – 4x daily Southern Tier Ltd: Chicago – Cleveland – Binghamton – Scranton – Hoboken -1x daily Erie Ltd : Cleveland – Erie – Binghamton – Port Jervis – Hoboken – 1x daily Phoebe Snow : Hoboken – Newark – Scranton – Buffalo – Niagara Falls – 1x Overnight Queen of the Valley: Harrisburg – Reading – Allentown – Newark – Hoboken – 4x daily Edited August 4, 20231 yr by Nexis4Jersey
August 4, 20231 yr 22 hours ago, Nexis4Jersey said: CSX wanted New York State to build a wall between its tracks and the 110mph tracks... The State rejected this for some reason.. They were already starting upgrading the New York-Hudson,NY section to 110mph. A decade ago the tracks around Albany were upgraded to 110mph. CSX does use those tracks, so I'm not sure why they object to faster speeds elsewhere. The ROW used to hold 4 tracks in many places, so space isn't really an issue. Buffalo to Cleveland can be 90mph , which is only 10mph faster than today along most stretches.. I think a Blended corridor would be the best long term solution though I-90 bypasses a lot of Upstate towns & Cities and getting back to the CSX line will require the seizure of a lot of property. Amtrak has proposed upgrading the straighter sections of the Lackawanna corridor to 110mph , so you could probably upgrade the tracks up to 110mph to Binghamton , Syracuse & Elmira...the rest of the sections could be 70-90mph.. The Line via Port Jervis has the most curves and via Jamestown probably no faster than 60mph. Only the 110 & 125 option had complete separation from Freight , the 90 has a few pinch points and doesn't fully address the worst bottlenecks of the NYP-Albany segment. First I heard of the CSX wall and I can see why the state rejected that because of the cost. Space isn't an issue and the current CSX tracks are along the south side of the ROW, which is an ideal situation as it leaves the space once occupied by the two northernmost tracks open for new tracks. The portion south of Schenectady is leased by Amtrak from CSX and has only local freight traffic, but that to the west is the CSX main line, a different proposition in CSX's view. Bottom line is that we are playing in their sandbox and they own it and get to call the shots. Thus, we live with 90 mph max. It isn't great but I'll take it.
August 5, 20231 yr Author 11 hours ago, neony said: First I heard of the CSX wall and I can see why the state rejected that because of the cost. Space isn't an issue and the current CSX tracks are along the south side of the ROW, which is an ideal situation as it leaves the space once occupied by the two northernmost tracks open for new tracks. The portion south of Schenectady is leased by Amtrak from CSX and has only local freight traffic, but that to the west is the CSX main line, a different proposition in CSX's view. Bottom line is that we are playing in their sandbox and they own it and get to call the shots. Thus, we live with 90 mph max. It isn't great but I'll take it. CSX also requested a sound wall be built along both the proposed NJT West Trenton & West Shore lines adding a hundred million onto each project... After today's derailment I can see why they want the wall. CSX in both cases wasn't unreasonable , the state should have agreed to the wall and the 110mph electrified proposal. Another big choke point that needs addressing is the single-tracked tunnel connecting Penn Station to the West Side line , the Single tracked bridge over the Harlem River which used to be double tracked.
August 5, 20231 yr Author New England Core Upgrades Build a North-South Tunnel in Boston 186mph High Speed Line : New York – New Haven – Hartford – Worcester – Boston Fully Electrify the MBTA Commuter Rail & transform it into a Regional Rail Upgrade the tracks to 110mph and Electrify the East-West Corridor : Boston – Albany Upgrade the tracks to 110mph and Electrify the Connecticut River Line : New Haven to WRJ Upgrade the tracks to 110mph and Electrify the Downeaster to Portland Upgrade the remaining New England Intercity routes to 90mph Pioneer Valley Line : Springfield – Holyoke – Northampton – Greenfield – Brattleboro Extend the MBTA Franklin Line to Milford Extend the MBTA Lowell Line to Concord Extend the MBTA Newburyport Line to Portsmouth Extend the MBTA Old Colony Lines to Buzzards Bay Extend the MBTA Fall River Line to Newport Extend the MBTA Providence line to Kingston Add Infill Stations at Norwood, Auburn & Silver Lake/West End on the MBTA Providence line Build a Regional S-Bahn: Waterbury – New Britain – Hartford – Manchester Add Infill Stations on : Waterbury Branch at Wilbur Cross Parkway & Devon , Danbury Branch at Wall Street , New Canaan Branch at East Stamford New Amtrak & New England Rail Routes Woonsocket Line : Worcester – Woonsocket – Pawtucket – Providence – 6x daily Central Rail Corridor – New London – Norwich – Amherst – Brattleboro – 6x daily Middletown Connection : New Haven – Durham – Middletown -7x daily Eastern Link – New London – Norwich – Putnam – Worcester – 5x daily The Narragansett : Providence – Pawtucket – Taunton – Fall River – Newport – 5x daily Hoosac : Burlington – Rutland – North Adams – Springfield – Boston – 2x daily Green Mountain Flyer: Montreal – Burlington – North Bennington - Watervliet– Albany – 2x daily Green Mountain Flyer : Montreal – Burlington – North Bennington - Watervliet– Albany - Grand Central - 1x overnight New England Cities : DC – New York – New Haven – Springfield – Boston – 7x daily NE Regional: DC – New York– Providence – Boston – Dover – Portland - 5x daily Erie-Berkshires : Cleveland – Buffalo – Albany – Springfield – Boston – 3x daily Acela : DC – New York – New Haven – Hartford – Worcester – Boston – 14x daily Cape Codder : Grand Central – New Haven – Providence – Hyannis – 3x daily Clam Digger: Grand Central – New Haven – Providence – Fall River – Newport – 2x daily Berkshires Flyer : GCT – Stamford – Danbury – Lee – Pittsfield – 2x daily Berkshires Flyer : GCT – White Plains - Danbury – Lee – Pittsfield – 2x daily Red Wing : Montreal – St Albans – White River JCT – Springfield – Boston – 2x daily Gull : Boston – Portland – Bangor – Saint John – Moncton – Halifax – 1x daily Flying Yankee : Boston – Portland – Lewiston – Bangor – 3x daily Montrealer: DC – New York – New Haven – Springfield – Essex JCT – Montreal – 1x overnight Edited August 7, 20231 yr by Nexis4Jersey
August 5, 20231 yr Now build the grassroots and corporate gift-giving lobby necessary to achieve this vision. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20231 yr Author 18 hours ago, KJP said: Now build the grassroots and corporate gift-giving lobby necessary to achieve this vision. There is dozens of regional advocacy groups and a decent amount of funding up for grabs...you just need to convince the politicians it's worth spending money on rail instead of Air or roads.
August 6, 20231 yr Author DC - Maryland-Delaware Core Infrastructure Quad track the Northeast Corridor from DC to Wilmington , upgrade speeds to 160mph+ Replace all the Maryland Movable Bridges with fixed spans & Build a new Baltimore Tunnel Overhaul and Expand Baltimore Penn , Wilmington & DC Union Stations Build dedicated Passenger tracks along the MARC Brunswick & Camden Lines Switch to EMUs along the MARC Penn Line , Expand Service: 10 peak / 30 offpeak/weekends Extend MARC Brunswick Service to Hagerstown Build an Electrified MARC Line to La Plata – Waldorf – Bowie JCT– BWI – Baltimore Build an Electrified MARC Line to Annapolis along US50 – Bowie JCT – DC Union Extend Limited Marc Penn Line Service to Newark & Increase SEPTA Delaware Service Build an Electrified Line along the DelMarVa Peninsula and upgrade to 110mph New or Expanded Amtrak Routes Potomac Service : Pittsburgh – Cumberland – Harper’s Ferry – DC Union – 2x daily DelMarVa Express: Cape Charles Ferry – Pocomoke City – Salisbury–Dover–30th Street– 3x daily & to NYP – 2x daily Susquehanna Service : Richmond – DC – Baltimore – Harrisburg – Scranton – 3x daily Cleveland Night Express : Cleveland – Youngstown – Pittsburgh – DC – 1x overnight Shenandoah : Cincinnati – Parkersburg – Cumberland – DC – 1x daily Chesapeake : DC – Annapolis – Cambridge – Salisbury – Ocean City – 5x daily Ocean Express Limited : 30th Street – Wilmington – Dover – Milford – Ocean City – 2x daily City to the Sea : Baltimore – BWI – Annapolis – Ocean City – 2x daily
August 6, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Nexis4Jersey said: There is dozens of regional advocacy groups and a decent amount of funding up for grabs...you just need to convince the politicians it's worth spending money on rail instead of Air or roads. Yes. Been there. Tried that. For 35 years. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20231 yr On 8/3/2023 at 4:37 AM, neony said: Overall, I like big picture thinking and this is a doozie. The general concept and services are good. The first two items are similar to what the Lakeshore Rail Alliance is calling for, except that CSX will not allow speeds over 90 mph on its right of way. Even so, this would be a huge advance First I've heard of said alliance. Checking it out! Edit: Website is inoperable. Boo. https://www.lakeshoretrain.org
August 7, 20231 yr Author 11 hours ago, Cleburger said: First I've heard of said alliance. Checking it out! Edit: Website is inoperable. Boo. https://www.lakeshoretrain.org I found a link under the high speed rail alliance.
August 7, 20231 yr Author 20 hours ago, KJP said: Yes. Been there. Tried that. For 35 years. I still have hope for some states like Virginia , North Carolina , shockingly Louisiana , Georgia , Utah ,and California.
August 7, 20231 yr Author DC - Virginia – West Virginia Core Upgrades Overhaul DC Union Station – Restore through Intercity Service at Richmond-Main Street Build the Southeast Corridor : Atlanta – Charlotte – Raleigh – Richmond – DC With Quad Tracking from DC to Richmond – Electrification – Grade Separation Restore – Electrify the S-Line to 125mph : Raleigh – Petersburg Double Track the line between Bristol and Springfield , upgrade the tracks to 90mph Double track the lines between Richmond & Hampton Roads , upgrade the tracks to 110mph Expand and Extend the VRE network in Northern Virginia VRE Manassas Line : DC Union – Alexandria – Burke Centre – Manassas – Warrenton VRE Shenandoah line : DC Union – Alexandria – Manassas – Gainsville – Front Royal RVA Commuter Rail : Petersburg – Richmond Main – Glen Allen – Ashland Tidewater Line : Edenton – Elizabeth City – Chesapeake – Norfolk New or Expanded Amtrak Routes Regional Virginia : Norfolk/Newport New’s – Richmond – DC – NY – 6x daily + onto Boston Regional SW Virginia : Bristol – Roanoke – Charlottesville – DC – New York – 2x daily Carolinian Service : New York – DC – Richmond – Raleigh – Charlotte – 3x daily Carolinian Service : Charlotte – Lynchburg – DC – NY – 2x daily Commonwealth : Richmond – DC – Baltimore – Harrisburg – 4x daily Tennessean : Memphis-Huntsville-Chattanooga – Knoxville – DC – New York – 1x daily Shenandoah Valley : Staunton – Harrisonburg – Front Royal – DC Union – 3x daily Virginian : Blacksburg – Lynchburg – Petersburg – Richmond – 2x daily Virginian : Clifton Forge – Charlottesville – Richmond – Williamsburg – Newport News – 3x daily Mountaineer : Chicago – Indianapolis - Cincinnati – Roanoke – Petersburg – Norfolk – 1x daily Tidewater : Raleigh – Henderson – Roanoke Rapids – Norfolk – 3x daily
August 7, 20231 yr 8 hours ago, Nexis4Jersey said: I still have hope for some states like Virginia , North Carolina , shockingly Louisiana , Georgia , Utah ,and California. Louisiana and Georgia need hope. The others don't. They're doing it. Ohio and Indiana are hopeless unless we can get rid of gerrymandering. But even before gerrymandering became a problem, Ohio was still a "pay to play" state. If we (rail advocates) didn't contribute more to the right political campaigns than the anti-rail lobby, we didn't stand a chance. And we didn't. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 10, 20231 yr Author North Carolina Core Upgrades Piedmont Corridor / S Line: Increase Track speeds to 125mph , Electrify, Grade Separate Peach Queen Corridor : Build 2 dedicated tracks , increase speeds to 135mph , electrify Increase Amtrak Piedmont Service to 12x daily – Charlotte to Raleigh Raleigh RER : Durham – Raleigh – Wilson – Greenville – Washington Charlotte S-bahn Line 1 : Gastonia – CLT – Charlotte – Matthews – Monroe Charlotte S-Bahn Line 2 : Rock Hill – Fort Mill – Charlotte – Davidson – Mooresville Tidewater line : Edenton – Elizabeth City – Chesapeake – Norfolk New Amtrak Routes Western Piedmont : Asheville – Salisbury – 3x daily + Winston-Salem – Raleigh – 2x Tidewater : Raleigh – Henderson – Roanoke Rapids – Norfolk – 3x daily Tidewater : Raleigh-Greenville-Morehead City – 3x daily Tidewater : Raleigh-Goldsboro-Wilmington – 3x daily Blue Ridge: Knoxville – Asheville – Salisbury – 2x daily Southern Mountains : Atlanta – Asheville – Greensboro – Raleigh – 1x daily Tennessean : Chattanooga – Knoxville – Charlottesville – DC – New York – 1x daily Carolinian : Charlotte – Raleigh – Richmond – NY – 3x daily Carolinian : Charlotte – Greensboro – Lynchburg – DC – NY – 2x daily Carolinian Special: Knoxville – Asheville – Charlotte – Columbia – Charleston – 1x daily Carolinian Capitals : Columbia – Charlotte – Greensboro – Raleigh – 3x daily Peach Queen : Atlanta – Gainsville – Greenville – Spartenburg – Charlotte – 12x daily
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