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On 7/13/2021 at 8:42 AM, Cleburger said:

 

I'm interested in your take on why bicyclists feel they want the respect of a vehicle, but feel it's ok to run lights and stop signs (I personally saw this 3 times on my morning walk today).    I am pro-bicycle BTW, however I see these kinds of comments on Facebook sites etc from suburban car nuts when commenting on bike lanes, etc.  

To add to the long list of responses (I just find this topic very interesting. Along with the psychology of criminalizing walking), I saw this Twitter thread from a prominent transportation lawyer. If you have time to read all five tweets I would recommend it.

 

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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Is it because pedestrians don't count as people? 

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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A sign that our country does not take driving violations seriously - even when they're ridiculously egregious. This guy was able to operate a car after having racked up 160 tickets, with apparently no consequences, until he killed an infant in her stroller on the sidewalk. He should have been in jail and the car should have confiscated about 150 tickets ago.

 

Icing on the cake is that his lawyer is arguing NYC's bail reform should let him out on his own recognizance. He'll probably drive home from the courthouse.

 

Man charged in hit-and-run that killed 3-month-old girl in Brooklyn

https://nypost.com/2021/09/12/man-charged-in-hit-and-run-that-killed-baby-in-brooklyn/

 

A reckless driver whose car has racked up 160 traffic violations was arrested in the horrific hit-run crash that killed a 3-month-old girl in Brooklyn over the weekend, cops said Sunday.

 

Wrong-way driver Tyrik Mott, 28 — whose vehicle has been caught speeding more than 90 times near city schools and habitually failing to stop at traffic signals — had been spotted by cops blowing through a red light before the fatal crash, an NYPD spokesman said. 

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The answer is yes......

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

It's your fault for existing, Mr. Pedestrian....

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

37 minutes ago, KJP said:

It's your fault for existing, Mr. Pedestrian....

 

 

I'd have to get my tape measure out to verify if that is accessible or not, but it looks close - the button can be 24" horizontally away from the inside face of the curb:

 

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1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

 

I'd have to get my tape measure out to verify if that is accessible or not, but it looks close - the button can be 24" horizontally away from the inside face of the curb:

 

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Looks like the button is not only close to that 24" limit but the wheelchair user would be on a downward-sloping ramp.  Tough to navigate.

 

Instead of dropping the sidewalk to street level, they should raise crosswalks to sidewalk-level so that wheelchair users don't have to worry about the ramp down and getting back up the opposite ramp.  That would slow cars through an intersection too.  (I know -- BUT what about our snow plows!?!!)

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21 hours ago, Foraker said:

Instead of dropping the sidewalk to street level, they should raise crosswalks to sidewalk-level so that wheelchair users don't have to worry about the ramp down and getting back up the opposite ramp.  That would slow cars through an intersection too.  (I know -- BUT what about our snow plows!?!!)


Unfortunately, it is my understanding that it is not legal to install a raised crosswalk there because the speed limit is 40 mph! I don't go to 50 West often but I have already seen 3 people get rear-ended there because they actually tried to yield to someone crossing. I have also been told that 50 West now sends someone out to flag people over. So it's a nice attempt I guess but it's just clearly not working.

 

When they first approached Columbia TWP about their plans, I think some feedback they got was the suggestion build a bridge instead, which is just an absolutely ridiculously over the top idea that would not be remotely feasible. The OKI 2050 Transportation Plan includes a roundabout at Newtown and Wooster which ODOT previously stated that it would take $1.4 to $2.2 million to build.

1 hour ago, Dev said:


Unfortunately, it is my understanding that it is not legal to install a raised crosswalk there because the speed limit is 40 mph!

 

Which also means a large number of people driving 50mph -- not much hope for pedestrians at that speed.  Might as well build a sound wall and keep the peds out.  (Sorry Peds -- Cars Rule, Peds Drool!)  Why would anyone want to live in such a place?

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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When you design communities to make getting around by anything other than car damn near impossible...

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Another Cleveland pedestrian killed in crosswalk with WALK signal.

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Chronister was killed Wednesday morning when a dump truck struck her as she was crossing the street.

The crash took place around 7:55 a.m. near E. 21st Street and Chester Avenue in downtown Cleveland.

According to Cleveland police, Chronister was hit when “the traffic signal changed to green and the pedestrian crossing signal changed to ‘WALK.’”

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Now this grieving family is trying to make sense of this tragedy, realizing a wife, a sister, a daughter, and beloved educator who touched so many lives now lives in their hearts. Her husband Ben says her tragic death should be a reminder to us all, “I just want people to take a moment to love and appreciate the people around them who mean the most to them. It’s so easy to forget we might not always have tomorrow.”

 

Police said the dump truck’s driver, a 69-year-old man, was not injured in the crash.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/11/05/pedestrian-killed-dump-truck-crash-downtown-cleveland/?fr=operanews

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Was the driver arrested and charged with vehicular manslaughter or similar? 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck


 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Woah. The video shows most of what led to the still frame. 
 

 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

Insane!  A couple inches and that pedestrian would be dead.

That's wild

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

4 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Woah. The video shows most of what led to the still frame. 
 

 

Argh last post on a page. I’m going to quote it so people don’t miss it. 😀

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/deadly-myth-human-error-causes-most-car-crashes/620808/

 

The Deadly Myth That Human Error Causes Most Car Crashes

 

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More than 20,000 people died on American roadways from January to June, the highest total for the first half of any year since 2006. U.S. road fatalities have risen by more than 10 percent over the past decade, even as they have fallen across most of the developed world. In the European Union, whose population is one-third larger than America’s, traffic deaths dropped by 36 percent between 2010 and 2020, to 18,800. That downward trend is no accident: European regulators have pushed carmakers to build vehicles that are safer for pedestrians and cyclists, and governments regularly adjust road designs after a crash to reduce the likelihood of recurrence.

 

But in the United States, the responsibility for road safety largely falls on the individual sitting behind the wheel, or riding a bike, or crossing the street. American transportation departments, law-enforcement agencies, and news outlets frequently maintain that most crashes—indeed, 94 percent of them, according to the most widely circulated statistic—are solely due to human error. Blaming the bad decisions of road users implies that nobody else could have prevented them. That enables car companies to deflect attention from their decisions to add heft and height to the SUVs and trucks that make up an ever-larger portion of vehicle sales, and it allows traffic engineers to escape scrutiny for dangerous street designs.

 

In 2015, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a branch of the U.S. Department of Transportation, published a two-page memo declaring that “the critical reason, which is the last event in the crash causal chain, was assigned to the driver in 94% of the crashes.” The memo, which was based on the NHTSA’s own analysis of crashes, then offered a key caveat: “Although the critical reason is an important part of the description of events leading up to the crash, it is not intended to be interpreted as the cause of the crash.”

 

“The 94 percent line is a repeated reference at almost every state [department of transportation] conference I’ve ever attended,” Jennifer Homendy, the chair of the National Transportation Safety Board, told me. When the Michigan DOT spokesman Jeff Cranson speculated in a 2019 podcast that human error is actually responsible for more than 95 percent of crashes, the Michigan State University engineering professor Timothy Gates responded, “Yeah, I would agree with that, there’s very few crashes caused by a vehicle defect or road defect, a lot of it really is human error.” That’s a convenient perspective for engineers designing vehicles and roads.

 

Officials “see their role as trying to cajole people on the roads to make smarter decisions,” Seth LaJeunesse, a senior research associate at the University of North Carolina’s Highway Safety Research Center, told me. “Wear a seat belt, don’t be drunk when driving, and signal appropriately. I think it’s misguided. After all, who’s going to address structural problems, if it’s just people being stupid out there on the road?”

 

The author comes close but doesn't quite hit on those "structural problems" quoted in that last paragraph.  Anyway, thought folks following this topic might find this article interesting, even if it does fall short in a few areas (imo).

Very Stable Genius

One silver lining to Covid is that I almost never have to drive on the highway anymore, at least not in rush hour traffic. I'm really fortunate to live in a neighborhood with a lot of walkable amenities. 

 

Anyhow, last week I was on my way to pick up a neighbor from the hospital. As I was slowing down off the one-lane exit ramp to a stoplight I glanced at the rearview mirror to see a car coming in fast right behind me. I had just enough speed going to steer onto the shoulder. The driver missed me by inches and he never slowed down. He nailed the median going about 70mph, went airborne and bashed into three cars across the intersection. 

 

I was in shock. When I saw people running out of their cars to help trapped in their cars and heard the sirens I drove off. Backed up cars were already blaring their horns in anger having no idea of the smashed cars just a few hundred feet away.

 

The thing is, I cannot find any evidence of this accident online. I wanted to see how people were doing, but I'm wondering if because it was on an exit ramp it's like a grey area that falls outside the highway patrol and the local police. Also was the driver distracted, or have some kind of medical condition?

 

It's really insane how we put all our lives in the hands of people all around us who can kill us in an instant. 

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Some very interesting data here...

 

A recent study revealed that just one part of our broken system — our car economy in Massachusetts — costs approximately $64 billion annually, with more than half of that coming from public funds. This amounts to about $14,000 per household in the state, with those owning vehicles paying an additional $12,000 on average in direct costs. 

https://benformass.com/issue/transit-for-all/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

21 hours ago, surfohio said:

One silver lining to Covid is that I almost never have to drive on the highway anymore, at least not in rush hour traffic. I'm really fortunate to live in a neighborhood with a lot of walkable amenities. 

 

Anyhow, last week I was on my way to pick up a neighbor from the hospital. As I was slowing down off the one-lane exit ramp to a stoplight I glanced at the rearview mirror to see a car coming in fast right behind me. I had just enough speed going to steer onto the shoulder. The driver missed me by inches and he never slowed down. He nailed the median going about 70mph, went airborne and bashed into three cars across the intersection. 

 

 

Very Stable Genius

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

It's pretty easy, just don't buy a full-size truck or SUV model. Fantastic sedans run $22-29K. In the '90s those same sedans were $16-22K. Just because Buzz and Karen overspend doesn't mean you have to.

On 11/30/2021 at 12:57 PM, surfohio said:

 

I was in shock. When I saw people running out of their cars to help trapped in their cars and heard the sirens I drove off. Backed up cars were already blaring their horns in anger having no idea of the smashed cars just a few hundred feet away.

 

 

 

A microcosm of society today. The people slowing down or stopped have MORE KNOWLEDGE of the situation and that's why they hit the brakes. Yet the people with NO INFORMATION assume the people with MORE KNOWLEDGE are stupid/"retarded" and scream at them instead of acknowledging the fact that when you are driving the people in front of you have more information.

17 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

geez. the average is $600/mo?

 

And worse than that, the 72-month loan has become almost standard now.  I remember when the 60-month was considered a sign of someone stretching their budget too much; 36-month loans were normal and many people saved to pay cash.  But of course saving to pay cash on a $6,000 used Buick in 1990 was more feasible for more families than saving to pay even used car prices today (even before the spike due to the recent supply chain shortage).

There is no negotiating going on either and zero inventory on the lot. You either pay sticker (or what they tell you to pay) or you do not get the car. You also have to wait 3 months for delivery too. 

On 11/13/2021 at 12:54 PM, KJP said:

 

 

I mentioned this in my long list of the factors that led to postwar sprawl.   A lot of Americans visited Germany during the 40s and felt that part of their works program was quite applicable to here.

34 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

I mentioned this in my long list of the factors that led to postwar sprawl.   A lot of Americans visited Germany during the 40s and felt that part of their works program was quite applicable to here.

With the only difference being German Autobahns never plowed directly through neighborhoods to the city centers.   They were constructed with military movements in mind, and not suburban commuters.   

^Never knew who your avatar was until the special was on TV a couple nights ago.

 

His mouth moves funny

5 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

 

Huh, maybe a typo on their part? My accident was the NB exit....and that area is most definitely not in or even near Mission Valley. Very strange! 

I guess it's not murder if you don't know you're about do it...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

34 minutes ago, KJP said:

I guess it's not murder if you don't know you're about do it...

 

Considering you need intent for murder, if you do not know about it, you can't commit murder. Now, there are certainly other crimes there, but to answer your question, you have to know what you are doing to commit murder. 

Lighten up,  Francis. Speaking of humor. The ultimate liberal response to the far-right's codpiece killing machines...

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

13 hours ago, KJP said:

Lighten up,  Francis. Speaking of humor. The ultimate liberal response to the far-right's codpiece killing machines...

 

 

I knew you were not serious but figured it was worth understanding the actual elements of a murder case since that seems to be lost on a lot of people. 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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Jeff Speck is a national treasure:

 

“In a walkable community, the car is an optional instrument of freedom, as opposed to being a mandatory prosthetic device that you need to live your life.”

 

 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^ Now those are cars. The only thing missing are the stacks so they can roll some coal. 

Should require a CDL to buy a truck that big.

^ And demonstrate a consistent need/ use case 

My hovercraft is full of eels

11 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ And demonstrate a consistent need/ use case 

 

No.   Just no.   Though go ahead it an propose it, that's the kind of overregulation that elects Republicans.

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