October 4, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, amped91 said: I actively try to avoid reading any of the FB comments for any of the local media pages. It’s almost always a toxic cesspool of racism, fear mongering and disdain for anything urban. The parking stuff always gets me. Currently, you can go in any direction downtown and immediately find a parking lot or garage, yet people will still complain there’s not enough parking. Exactly why I don't have Facebook or Twitter accounts! Lol
October 4, 20222 yr Oh, I definitely read them for entertainment purposes. Most commenters are from Marengo or Murray City where more than one car on the road is heavy traffic. I find it curious that they feel compelled to comment.
October 4, 20222 yr 51 minutes ago, amped91 said: I actively try to avoid reading any of the FB comments for any of the local media pages. It’s almost always a toxic cesspool of racism, fear mongering and disdain for anything urban. The parking stuff always gets me. Currently, you can go in any direction downtown and immediately find a parking lot or garage, yet people will still complain there’s not enough parking. Yeah just called someone out on Reddit who said they went to an event downtown and couldn’t find parking within a mile of the event
October 4, 20222 yr 36 minutes ago, Pablo said: Oh, I definitely read them for entertainment purposes. Most commenters are from Marengo or Murray City where more than one car on the road is heavy traffic. I find it curious that they feel compelled to comment. I know someone who lives near Marengo... It's because they have exactly zero other things to do than try to rile people up on the internet.
October 4, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Yeah just called someone out on Reddit who said they went to an event downtown and couldn’t find parking within a mile of the event The answer to that is usually 'they couldn't find cheap options and don't like to park in garages because they are 'dangerous''. I know many people the same way and it's ghastly to them that they might be expected to pay more than 5 dollars for parking. (Of course, that's the going event rate at the very best kept secret that is the statehouse parking garage)
October 4, 20222 yr Garages aren't any more dangerous than open lots because now there are tons of "safe" SUVs for the bad guys to hide behind in open lots.
October 5, 20222 yr City Council Supports Downtown Plan Recommendations City Council last night capped a nearly year-long planning process by officially adopting the main concepts presented in a new strategic plan for downtown Columbus. The new plan, which replaces one produced in 2010, calls for new housing at all price points, expanded retail and entertainment options, a more activated riverfront, more trees and greenspace, and improved mobility options, including carving out space on downtown’s wide streets for bikes, buses and pedestrians. Recognizing that increased density will be key to achieving many of those objectives, the plan sets ambitious housing and workforce goals – 40,000 people living downtown by 2040, and 120,000 people working there. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/city-council-supports-downtown-plan-recommendations-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 5, 20222 yr Columbus Downtown Development Corp. and YMCA reach agreement on downtown building The Columbus Downtown Development Corp. and the YMCA have reached an agreement on the YMCA's downtown building. CDDC President Amy Taylor said a purchase agreement would be signed this week and that workforce housing or affordable housing will be a part of the project. Taylor said the CDDC will need to do its due diligence before officially closing on the building. That includes getting inside the building and assessing the condition. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/05/cddc-and-ymca-reach-agreement-on-downtown-building.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 12, 20222 yr Part of the Downtown plan is to offer downtown retail space to help incubate new businesses. This week, according to CU, a major phase of that plan will launch: New Downtown Fashion & Retail District Set to Debut on Friday “This Friday, a new initiative to bring fashion and retail business back to Downtown Columbus kicks off with the launch of “Common Thread”, a new destination shopping experience featuring seven new shops on South Third Street. The program is a collaboration between the Columbus Downtown Development Corporation (CDDC) and Columbus Fashion Council (CFC), located in the ground-floor retail space of the Columbus Commons Parking Garage. A new art installation was recently installed by muralist Mandi “Miss Birdy” Caskey at the intersection of Third and Rich Streets. The retail program is just one aspect of the recently adopted 2022 Downtown Strategic Plan, designed to steer new development Downtown in the coming decades and return the city center population to 40,000 by the year 2040. The seven shops opening include a mix of apparel, accessories, home goods and gift stores that include: Alex Vinash New York Encinas Designs Joan Madison Couture Xantha Ward White Canvas Designs & Holistic Wellness The Frank Project Brands Daniel Russo Home“ https://columbusunderground.com/common-thread-downtown-columbus-retail-we1/
October 21, 20222 yr Residential Conversion Planned for Historic Downtown Building A New York-based company has submitted plans to renovate a vacant downtown office building that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Known as the Schlee-Kemler Building, the five-story structure was built in 1895 and is located at 326 S. High St., just south of the Westin Great Southern Hotel. The city’s Historic Resource Commission will review the plans at its next meeting, which is scheduled to take place on Tuesday, October 25. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/residential-conversion-planned-for-historic-downtown-building-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 28, 20222 yr Standard Building Renovation (10-23-22) Jackie O's Normandy Avenue Residences North 5th infill between Gay and Long
October 28, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, NorthShore647 said: Standard Building Renovation (10-23-22) Jackie O's Normandy Avenue Residences North 5th infill between Gay and Long That N 5th infill is great. Since you said infill, I’m assuming it’s new build. I particularly like the brick one.
October 28, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said: That N 5th infill is great. Since you said infill, I’m assuming it’s new build. I particularly like the brick one. Yes, the n 5th stuff is all new except for I think 2 houses. The house on the left in photo is from the 1900’s according to records, and has been renovated beautifully and is for sale for over $1 million. Pictures of what the street looked like before and in 2020 when the last street view was. Edited October 28, 20222 yr by VintageLife added street view of 2018 and now
October 28, 20222 yr So once these and the condos on 6th and Long are done, does that leave only the lot on 6th and Gay (by Matt and Tony’s) left to develop, or are there any other spaces left to build in the Neighborhood Launch area?
October 29, 20222 yr The scale of the houses on 5th are really nice, even if it is out of place to have a single-family home downtown Edited October 29, 20222 yr by NW24HX
October 29, 20222 yr 52 minutes ago, NW24HX said: The scale of the houses on 5th are really nice, even if it is out of place to have a single-family home downtown I’m okay with it right there. I believe 2 of the single family homes are original and have been there for over 100 years, which makes it even better. Then they built 3-4 new ones to fill it in and make it look more cohesive, and they did a good job, so it’s a great build. It’s just nice they built up around all of this in a proper way, and hopefully edwards can continue to build and expand neighborhood launch a bit. There are still a lot of parking lots in that area.
October 30, 20222 yr Just saw that the short 2 story next to this is also for sale. Would be a cool project to add some new build over top of it while preserving the original structure.
October 30, 20222 yr If they had more mid and high rises downtown then some clusters of 2-3 floor single family homes built like these would be nicer and just add variety. We should be adding both given our growth IMO.
November 8, 20222 yr I feel like this is a good thread for this article, since it ties in with the CDDC’s downtown plan. More Residents & Entertainment Are Key For Future of Downtown Columbus “Last week, the Capital Crossroads and Discovery Special Improvement Districts (SID) hosted their annual meeting to showcase accomplishments, celebrate yearly award winners and to impart some wisdom on the crowd from special guest speaker Paul Levy. Levy is the President and CEO of the Center City District (CCD), a similar type of organization located in Downtown Philadelphia. The message to the crowd of local business leaders, civic leaders and community members is that a Downtown can no longer simply remain as a “Central Business District” while trying to adapt to a post-pandemic world where many office workers are spending more of their time at home. “All downtowns face these major challenges, but the more diverse the land use — the more hotels, the more residential, the more office, the more arts and culture — the greater the mix, the more animated you are 24/7,” explained Levy. “You must continue to fill gaps in the fabric, building dense vibrant spaces.” Levy shared some insight from Philadelphia over the past 30 years, which mirrors the Downtown Columbus trajectory, but at a larger scale.” https://columbusunderground.com/more-residents-entertainment-are-key-for-future-of-downtown-columbus-we1/
December 1, 20222 yr THE CASE FOR DOWNTOWN LIVING Why the heart of Columbus is luring residents like Anthony Regalado When Mark Belletini moved to Columbus in 1998 from California to be a minister at First Unitarian Universalist Church in Clintonville, he chose to live downtown. At the time, Belletini paid $125,000 for his loft condo at the Rich Street Lofts. “People in my congregation questioned why I would want to live downtown,” he said. ... Amy Taylor, president of Columbus Downtown Development Corp., said the city has a goal of 40,000 downtown residents by 2040. The CDDC this year completed a new downtown strategic plan. Its goals include increasing the number of residents, growing the number of local businesses by 20% by 2040, and growing the number of people working downtown to 120,000 by 2040. The strategic plan doesn’t estimate how many more affordable units are needed downtown, but says some immediate next steps should include exploring partnerships to increase economic diversity downtown. “Our goal and the vision that we have with the new downtown strategic plan will be thousands of new people living and working in downtown,” Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther told Columbus Business First. “And we know part of that is making sure that there’s housing available for everybody.” The 2022 strategic plan follows similar blueprints in 2002, which focused on policies, and 2010, which focused on projects. Full article below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/12/01/cost-of-living-downtown-columbus-growth.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 2, 20222 yr 19 hours ago, ColDayMan said: THE CASE FOR DOWNTOWN LIVING Why the heart of Columbus is luring residents like Anthony Regalado When Mark Belletini moved to Columbus in 1998 from California to be a minister at First Unitarian Universalist Church in Clintonville, he chose to live downtown. At the time, Belletini paid $125,000 for his loft condo at the Rich Street Lofts. “People in my congregation questioned why I would want to live downtown,” he said. ... Amy Taylor, president of Columbus Downtown Development Corp., said the city has a goal of 40,000 downtown residents by 2040. The CDDC this year completed a new downtown strategic plan. Its goals include increasing the number of residents, growing the number of local businesses by 20% by 2040, and growing the number of people working downtown to 120,000 by 2040. The strategic plan doesn’t estimate how many more affordable units are needed downtown, but says some immediate next steps should include exploring partnerships to increase economic diversity downtown. “Our goal and the vision that we have with the new downtown strategic plan will be thousands of new people living and working in downtown,” Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther told Columbus Business First. “And we know part of that is making sure that there’s housing available for everybody.” The 2022 strategic plan follows similar blueprints in 2002, which focused on policies, and 2010, which focused on projects. Full article below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/12/01/cost-of-living-downtown-columbus-growth.html Yeah, I totally misread that article title. I was thinking: "Who is Anthony Regalado and how does he lure in so many fans if I've never heard of him?"
December 2, 20222 yr From the article - WTF? Quote On a recent night out, Regalado said he overheard someone say that they didn’t like how Columbus was changing, particularly with young people moving from the coasts.
December 2, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Pablo said: From the article - WTF? Although it's rather sad, I know some people who feel the same. They're turned off by the traffic congestion in Columbus (corridors like Sawmill, 256, Hilliard-Rome etc.), the increase of crime (probably more indicative of unrest, COVID, prevalence of guns and possibly inflation), increasing housing costs and things like longer waits/delays to go to restaurants or to see the dentist. Though I'm all about the increasing opportunities and amenities that come with the growth...having lived in Columbus since the mid-90's, I know that it felt much more like a private under-the-radar city than it does now.
December 2, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Pablo said: From the article - WTF? I would say most of my friend group and people I’ve talked to are excited about the growth and more people moving here. Typically, in my experience, it’s people from the burbs—not even Columbus proper—who complain about the growth.
December 7, 20222 yr Progress on 4 unit condo building on Long and 6th: There’s still plenty of space to build on that parking lot. I wonder if there are any plans yet for more condos?
December 18, 20222 yr I never know where to put content regarding Jeff Edwards’ stretch of High St. Looks like there’s been discussion of the Nicholas building here, though. Was wondering if anyone knows what’s going into the storefront right next to Speck? Looks like there’s some sort of build out going on, and the windows have been papered over for at least a month.
December 18, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, amped91 said:Was wondering if anyone knows what’s going into the storefront right next to Speck? Looks like there’s some sort of build out going on, and the windows have been papered over for at least a month. I’d ask Reddit. Someone there might know
December 19, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, smjjms said: I’d ask Reddit. Someone there might know It took a little digging, but I think I found out: Looks like one space is the relocated Sarah Gormley Gallery (I’d forgotten she was moving downtown from the Short North). And the other space (99 N High) appears to be a location for the USPS, oddly enough. And it looks like Speck is, unfortunately, still waiting on kitchen equipment, last time I checked.
December 19, 20222 yr On 12/18/2022 at 11:14 AM, amped91 said: I never know where to put content regarding Jeff Edwards’ stretch of High St. Looks like there’s been discussion of the Nicholas building here, though. Was wondering if anyone knows what’s going into the storefront right next to Speck? Looks like there’s some sort of build out going on, and the windows have been papered over for at least a month. i’ve noticed multiple store fronts downtown/short north have started to open up a little window art exhibits. Maybe it’s something like that.
December 19, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, 614love said: i’ve noticed multiple store fronts downtown/short north have started to open up a little window art exhibits. Maybe it’s something like that. This looks like it’s for a post office location.
December 19, 20222 yr 23 minutes ago, amped91 said: This looks like it’s for a post office location. It’s weird they are moving from the building at spring and high
December 19, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: It’s weird they are moving from the building at spring and high In my experience that location's very difficult to access because it's inside the Federal Building. You have to wait in line and fully go through security just to pop into USPS
December 20, 20222 yr 14 hours ago, NW24HX said: In my experience that location's very difficult to access because it's inside the Federal Building. You have to wait in line and fully go through security just to pop into USPS That's why I stopped using that location, it was just annoying to get in.
December 20, 20222 yr In the Dispatch’s article on the Continental conversion receipt of state tax credits, they mention a couple commercial tenants I don’t think were announced before: coworking and a ghost kitchen with a cafe and coffee shop. “According to the tax credit application, a coworking company plans to lease 17,500 square feet of the mezzanine and ground floor, and a ghost kitchen will lease 5,500 square feet on the lower level, in addition to operating a café and coffee shop.” The Dispatch also lists 409 apartment units instead of the previously reported 330. Not sure if that’s a typo, or if the developer was able to squeeze in more units in their plan. Either way, that’s a sizable amount of apartments! https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/12/20/state-approves-tax-breaks-to-redevelop-high-rise-and-former-school/69744218007/
December 21, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, amped91 said: In the Dispatch’s article on the Continental conversion receipt of state tax credits, they mention a couple commercial tenants I don’t think were announced before: coworking and a ghost kitchen with a cafe and coffee shop. “According to the tax credit application, a coworking company plans to lease 17,500 square feet of the mezzanine and ground floor, and a ghost kitchen will lease 5,500 square feet on the lower level, in addition to operating a café and coffee shop.” The Dispatch also lists 409 apartment units instead of the previously reported 330. Not sure if that’s a typo, or if the developer was able to squeeze in more units in their plan. Either way, that’s a sizable amount of apartments! https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/12/20/state-approves-tax-breaks-to-redevelop-high-rise-and-former-school/69744218007/ The number has been growing but only 20 units - not nearly 80 more!
December 21, 20222 yr 20 minutes ago, columbus17 said: The number has been growing but only 20 units - not nearly 80 more! Still sad this isn’t a mix of for sale and rental units.
December 21, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, VintageLife said: Still sad this isn’t a mix of for sale and rental units. Would be nice to see more apartment/condo units in the 900-1100 or so sq ft range go up for sale.
December 21, 20222 yr 12 hours ago, columbus17 said: The number has been growing but only 20 units - not nearly 80 more! I wonder where the Dispatch got the 409 number from.
December 21, 20222 yr I would like to see the floor plans - has anything been released? It seems it would be difficult to convert a large office floor plate into apartments without a lot of window frontage. The corner units might be interesting.
December 21, 20222 yr Continental Centre,...redevelopment projects get historic tax credits Three Central Ohio projects were awarded state historic tax credits on Tuesday. ... The redevelopment of downtown of the Continental Centre, a downtown office tower, was awarded $5 million in tax credits. "The (tax credits) we received are an essential piece to our overall investment in the building," said Phil Aftuck, director of investments for the building's owners the Bernstein Co., in an emailed statement. "I look forward to having work start soon." The building at 150 E. Gay St. is the former Ohio Bell Southwestern headquarters, which was built in the 1970s. Bernstein Co. plans to convert the office building into 409 apartments – a mix of studio, one- and two-bedroom units. There also will be some lower-level or ground-floor retail, a fitness center, an amenity area on the top floor and some coworking space. A rooftop pool also is planned. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/12/21/historic-tax-credits.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 16, 20232 yr Doesn’t sound like this is officially tied to the CDDC’s plan; however, it does align with the plan’s goals, and it’s similar to the CDDC’s Common Thread project, so I’m putting it here. I think this could be great for downtown, if done well. I hope it’s successful. My pipe dream is for COTA’s Greyhound redev to include a new first floor Central Market, where this hub could start. But I’m going to guess the city will be looking for already available space. Columbus plans new downtown marketplace focused on women- and minority-owned businesses “Columbus' elected leaders want to help female entrepreneurs and minority-owned businesses set up shop in brick-and-mortar downtown spaces. To achieve that goal, Columbus City Council is taking steps to open a new downtown marketplace, Councilman Nick Bankston said. The marketplace program would include graduated rent support, a tenant renovation fund and technical assistance. Plans are still in the early stages and an exact location for the market has yet to be selected. But Bankston said the goal is to find an area that already has retail activity, and serve as a "catalyst" for continued growth of both the tenants and downtown Columbus. At the end of this quarter, the city will begin seeking an entity to offer the technical assistance. That entity could also serve as the master leaseholder for the facility, or two different organizations could be involved.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/16/downtown-columbus-minority-women-businesses.html
January 16, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, amped91 said: Doesn’t sound like this is officially tied to the CDDC’s plan; however, it does align with the plan’s goals, and it’s similar to the CDDC’s Common Thread project, so I’m putting it here. I think this could be great for downtown, if done well. I hope it’s successful. My pipe dream is for COTA’s Greyhound redev to include a new first floor Central Market, where this hub could start. But I’m going to guess the city will be looking for already available space. Columbus plans new downtown marketplace focused on women- and minority-owned businesses “Columbus' elected leaders want to help female entrepreneurs and minority-owned businesses set up shop in brick-and-mortar downtown spaces. To achieve that goal, Columbus City Council is taking steps to open a new downtown marketplace, Councilman Nick Bankston said. The marketplace program would include graduated rent support, a tenant renovation fund and technical assistance. Plans are still in the early stages and an exact location for the market has yet to be selected. But Bankston said the goal is to find an area that already has retail activity, and serve as a "catalyst" for continued growth of both the tenants and downtown Columbus. At the end of this quarter, the city will begin seeking an entity to offer the technical assistance. That entity could also serve as the master leaseholder for the facility, or two different organizations could be involved.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/16/downtown-columbus-minority-women-businesses.html The Continental Centre redevelopment seems like it would be a great place for it. With gay street getting developed into a nice little pocket, it would be in a somewhat busy area.
January 16, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, VintageLife said: The Continental Centre redevelopment seems like it would be a great place for it. With gay street getting developed into a nice little pocket, it would be in a somewhat busy area. I didn’t think of that. I know they said it was going to have a ghost kitchen and coworking space, but I’m sure that could change. Gay is a nice area with a good amount of activity. There’s a lot of vacant retail space along E Long I’d like to see activated too, but it’s all punctuated by ugly parking lots.
January 16, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, amped91 said: I didn’t think of that. I know they said it was going to have a ghost kitchen and coworking space, but I’m sure that could change. Gay is a nice area with a good amount of activity. There’s a lot of vacant retail space along E Long I’d like to see activated too, but it’s all punctuated by ugly parking lots. I swear I remember it included retail space also.
January 25, 20232 yr The Continental Centre project is underway. The alley to the north of the building is cordoned off and the plaza is fenced.
February 9, 20232 yr Alex Fischer named chair of Columbus Downtown Development Corp. board “Alex Fischer is the new chair of the Columbus Downtown Development Corp. board, replacing former mayor Michael Coleman. The leadership change takes place after the CDDC completed its year-long strategic plan, which Coleman helped lead. Coleman stepped down as board chair Dec. 31, said Greg Davies, CEO of the CDDC. "We want to make downtown as vibrant as it can possibly be," Fischer told me. "We can't have a vibrant region without a healthy downtown. Coming out of the pandemic, we need to do everything we can to not simply return to pre-pandemic levels of activity, but to go beyond that." Fischer said now that the strategic plan has been adopted by Columbus City Council, he'll lead the board through its implementation stages. Coleman likely will stay involved in some capacity, he said.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/02/09/alex-fischer-cddc.html
February 9, 20232 yr Wait. A. Minute. I missed that the plan was completed and adopted. The 3 previous plans all included specific goals and projects. This plan is literally just says, in varying forms, 'Conduct more studies on how to grow downtown'.. Holy. Cow. We knew it was a waste but wtf. How did they come up without even outlining specific projects or goals other than the same platitudes every downtown has? Or are we waiting on a better PDF or what? It really seems like alot of work for a handful of fancy images and a 4 page PDF? For reference, the 2010 strategic plan was 105 pages, included the normal platitudes about more studies and collaborative and developed but also had specific projects and strategies outlined. Thats what I had been and still am expecting? Edited February 9, 20232 yr by DTCL11
February 9, 20232 yr 40k residents and 120k jobs by 2040, protected bike lanes, converting one ways to two ways, bus lanes (tied in with LinkUS), creating more retail opportunities (which we’ve already seen one start and heard plans for a second project), create more green spaces, create incentives to fill in parking lots and build affordable units. There isn’t one single “mega project” this time, but these are all things that are needed to make Downtown a good place to live, and I think it’s good to have a group whose focus is to bring them to fruition. It might not have the same wow factor as the Scioto Mile project, but I think this has the potential to be the most impactful plan yet, pending execution.
February 9, 20232 yr It's the most vague plan to date, includes the absolute most basic concepts of urban development, and just carries over all the vague parts of the previous plans over the last 30+ years. Everything you listed has been included in almost every plan since the 80s plan. These are the universally understood goals of any downtown development/corporation. The only thing that has truly changed is the market. To say it has the opportunity to be the most impactful is just real estate trends catching up with the concepts of the last 30 years or the city finally doing the bare minimum. In fact, the 1988 strategic plan specifically outlined 'eliminating incentives for surface parking in downtown, building strategic structured parking, and use shuttle services to encourage satellite parking.' Fun fact. The 1988 strategic plan also included the idea to cap 70 and 71 through downtown. Restoring Broad Street and Bus Only Lanes goes back to the 1973 Strategic Plan. I still hope we see a bigger more detailed plan with big ideas talked about and conceptual targets seen in some of the presentations. Otherwise that's alot of money and time for... general knowledge.... and direction to spend more money and time on additional studies. The strategic plan should (or should have) also encompassed these basic things it refers for future study as well as specific big project goals. How long do we have to continue waiting and paying for the city to develop a plan to disincentivize downtown parking. That's one of the easiest things the city can do and doesn't actually involve much cost for the city and it's been 35 years since disincentivizing surface parking first appeared in a strategic plan. The other thing a more detailed strategic plans give us is these benchmarks to see how long these concepts have been around and what has been successful or continuing to fail. The big ideas give goals and clues to developers where to focus their efforts as well. From 2010. I guess the flip side is by paring it down to the absolute basics of urban development, maybe they will actually do the basics? Edited February 9, 20232 yr by DTCL11
February 9, 20232 yr I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then. It’s too bad the OSU to DT streetcar idea has apparently been abandoned, though.
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