March 1, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, aderwent said: If it goes to the Downtown Commission I'd say it's downtown... I was just about to post the same map with the following, determined by City Council, set by City Code... 3359.03 - Downtown District Boundary. The downtown district is that area indicated on the official city zoning map and bounded as follows: Beginning at the intersection of Interstate 70 and the western bank of the Scioto River; Thence northeasterly along the north/west bank of the Scioto River to the first railroad right-of-way; Thence northerly along said railroad right-of-way to the first intersecting railroad right-of-way; Thence westerly along said railroad right-of-way to the intersection of State Route 315; Thence northerly along State Route 315 to the northbound exit ramp to Goodale Boulevard; Thence following the exit ramp to the northernmost point of its arc; Thence easterly approximately 300' to the southbound ramp from State Route 315 to Interstate 670; Thence southeasterly along the ramp to Interstate 670; Thence easterly along Interstate 670 to the intersection of Interstate 71; Thence southerly along Interstate 71 to the intersection of Interstate 70; Thence westerly along Interstate 70 to the place of beginning.
March 1, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, aderwent said: If it goes to the Downtown Commission I'd say it's downtown... That’s fair, makes me hate those buildings in that area even more then haha.
March 2, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, aderwent said: https://csids.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2022-State-of-Downtown.pdf The 2022 State of Downtown is out. Lots of info. Something I noticed is that they use census tract estimates to tally our downtown population. The problem being it leaves out likely thousands: The original North Bank Condo building The Reach on Goodale 600 Goodale Buggyworks In the future it won't include: Astor Park The Peninsula Seems to me they should go down to the block level for more accurate measures. Absolutely to the bolded. Maybe someone should notify the "State of Downtown" people of exactly what the definition of the downtown is geographically as defined by the city itself(as noted from the several postings of the map that was defined in I believe 2013). A lot of new development, jobs, and residents will be left out. 1-2 thousand residential units eventually on the Peninsula alone. Who needs to be emailed about this???
March 2, 20232 yr I'm going to pop this into the general downtown plan... My God, there's alot more hand wringing over more units coming downtown than there should be... https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/03/01/will-new-downtown-columbus-apartments-be-empty-if-demand-is-not-there/69937648007/ The one panelists highlights downtown residential occupancy is at 92% and he'd like to see it back to 96 or 97 percent before we consider adding more units downtown. Another panelist goes as far to say downtown is better for dense development because less building and parking restrictions, which is correct, but then goes further seemingly to imply that downtown is where dense development belongs and not in the neighborhoods anyway. There's even more concern over top much residential and not enough office space while almost casually ignoring that commercial office space is 21% vacant. Oh no.... we shouldn't be looking to convert a ton of old office space to residential... that would be devasssssttttaaaatttinnnngggggg.... (more or less). There's so much focus in the article on the concept that downtown needs to be incredibly populated with workers or people won't want to live downtown and very little acknowledgement that a good neighborhood is a good neighborhood. Many of the best neighborhoods here and around the world aren't the central business districts. The ones burgeoning at the seams aren't the ones overbuildong office space. So what if there aren't 90k people working in offices anymore? You put in enough transit, amenities, entertainment, food, etc that won't matter. They way they talk, I think about the newest areas of Seattle development and they are massive job centers (aka amazon etc) so they built up all these beautiful office towers and residential towers and its not a vibrant area of the city. Same with Dallas. The most vibrant areas focus on residential, amenities, transit, etc and some jobs. West loop didn't explode because they became a massive business district. They grew together. To be fair, they aren't being overly dramatic but it is certainly alot more skepticism and focus on white collar workers coming back to the office than what I think is warranted. Anywho. Some of these people are still very much stuck in a different time.
March 2, 20232 yr I think this state of downtown discussion might fit with the downtown strategic plan and the downtown discussion I just posted in that thread. Maybe it should be a 'downtown strategic plan, trends, and general discussion' to keep these kinds of topics together and out of the random thread?
March 2, 20232 yr Great idea and done. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, DTCL11 said: I'm going to pop this into the general downtown plan... My God, there's alot more hand wringing over more units coming downtown than there should be... https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/03/01/will-new-downtown-columbus-apartments-be-empty-if-demand-is-not-there/69937648007/ The one panelists highlights downtown residential occupancy is at 92% and he'd like to see it back to 96 or 97 percent before we consider adding more units downtown. Another panelist goes as far to say downtown is better for dense development because less building and parking restrictions, which is correct, but then goes further seemingly to imply that downtown is where dense development belongs and not in the neighborhoods anyway. There's even more concern over top much residential and not enough office space while almost casually ignoring that commercial office space is 21% vacant. Oh no.... we shouldn't be looking to convert a ton of old office space to residential... that would be devasssssttttaaaatttinnnngggggg.... (more or less). There's so much focus in the article on the concept that downtown needs to be incredibly populated with workers or people won't want to live downtown and very little acknowledgement that a good neighborhood is a good neighborhood. Many of the best neighborhoods here and around the world aren't the central business districts. The ones burgeoning at the seams aren't the ones overbuildong office space. So what if there aren't 90k people working in offices anymore? You put in enough transit, amenities, entertainment, food, etc that won't matter. They way they talk, I think about the newest areas of Seattle development and they are massive job centers (aka amazon etc) so they built up all these beautiful office towers and residential towers and its not a vibrant area of the city. Same with Dallas. The most vibrant areas focus on residential, amenities, transit, etc and some jobs. West loop didn't explode because they became a massive business district. They grew together. To be fair, they aren't being overly dramatic but it is certainly alot more skepticism and focus on white collar workers coming back to the office than what I think is warranted. Anywho. Some of these people are still very much stuck in a different time. Thanks for your analysis! I’d read that article, and so much of it had me ticked. Especially the part about >92% residential occupancy not being enough, ie, we need ton constrict supply so we can jack up rent. You put things much more eloquently than I could lol
March 2, 20232 yr What is the reason the state historic preservation office has any say in this whatsoever? I may have missed it, but haven't seen that mentioned at all Is it because CMHA is involved? Does the state own the property? Are they seeking state funds? Is it some kind of requirement tied to low income housing tax credits? Can anyone shed some light
March 2, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, NW24HX said: What is the reason the state historic preservation office has any say in this whatsoever? I may have missed it, but haven't seen that mentioned at all Is it because CMHA is involved? Does the state own the property? Are they seeking state funds? Is it some kind of requirement tied to low income housing tax credits? Can anyone shed some light No idea, but I sent an email to the downtown commission in support of the AspireColumbus development and everyone else should. here’s the email: [email protected] Edited March 2, 20232 yr by VintageLife
March 2, 20232 yr On 3/1/2023 at 8:28 AM, VintageLife said: This is a good case for the just because it’s old, doesn’t mean it’s historic argument. This building is awful and will never add to the area, like this new build will. I tried sending an email to the State Historic Preservation office and never got anything back. Hopefully they realize how dumb they are and allow the project to move forward. Which contact did you use for the OSHP office?
March 2, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, amped91 said: Which contact did you use for the OSHP office? Whoever has the email [email protected] the main person didn’t have an email contact so I just looked through and picked a random. I felt more confident in sending an email to the downtown commission though.
March 3, 20232 yr On 2/19/2023 at 11:58 AM, amped91 said: Hopefully this humble alley dumpster is a harbinger of positive things to come for the Sleestak building. Interestingly enough, though, according to a permit recently filed with the city, a design firm—BBCO—will be occupying the top two floors. They currently have an office on Riverside Drive. It doesn’t explicitly say, but the wording in the app makes it sound like the other floors will remain office as well. So I guess no office to apartment conversion here after all. Reading this again, I think floors 2 & 3 will be residential. I know tenant doesn’t mean just people and can refer to a business also, but I think it will be residential.
March 6, 20232 yr Based on this week’s Punch List from CBF, the UW campus redev issue may have an easy fix. For those who don’t have a subscription, there’s a bit of technical information included, but, ultimately, it sounds like it could be reserved by the developer included a plaque/historical marker to commemorate the Market Mohawk District’s history. The Punch List: United Way HQ redevelopment faces SHPO pushback. What's next? “Diana Welling, head of the resource protection and review department with SHPO, said the property is considered a contributing building in the Market-Mohawk District, and the district is eligible to be on the National Historic Register. The former United Way building itself is also eligible for the historic register, Welling said. Welling said her department reviews state and federal projects under Ohio Revised Code and under the National Historic Preservation Action Section 106, respectively. Because this project could get funding from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development — CMHA and The Community Builders plan to seek Low Income Housing Tax Credits for the project — it must be in compliance with Section 106. … SHPO, the project developers and city officials met in February to discuss the objection, Bitzenhofer said. Now the state office is waiting for the developers to return with mitigation strategies that would overcome the Section 106 issue. Those could include a plaque with information about the Market-Mohawk District or some other sort of memorial for the property.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/06/the-punch-list.html
March 6, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, amped91 said: Based on this week’s Punch List from CBF, the UW campus redev issue may have an easy fix. For those who don’t have a subscription, there’s a bit of technical information included, but, ultimately, it sounds like it could be reserved by the developer included a plaque/historical marker to commemorate the Market Mohawk District’s history. The Punch List: United Way HQ redevelopment faces SHPO pushback. What's next? “Diana Welling, head of the resource protection and review department with SHPO, said the property is considered a contributing building in the Market-Mohawk District, and the district is eligible to be on the National Historic Register. The former United Way building itself is also eligible for the historic register, Welling said. Welling said her department reviews state and federal projects under Ohio Revised Code and under the National Historic Preservation Action Section 106, respectively. Because this project could get funding from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development — CMHA and The Community Builders plan to seek Low Income Housing Tax Credits for the project — it must be in compliance with Section 106. … SHPO, the project developers and city officials met in February to discuss the objection, Bitzenhofer said. Now the state office is waiting for the developers to return with mitigation strategies that would overcome the Section 106 issue. Those could include a plaque with information about the Market-Mohawk District or some other sort of memorial for the property.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/06/the-punch-list.html What was there before should qualify for 'historic'. But the 'district' now? What district? They leveled it and put up 50's and 60's uglies-just because it is over 50 or 60 years old does not make it historic. That this "district" as it is could qualify as historic just seems crazy. Look at the horrible buildings that dominate it. Just wow. Level all the mid century modern uglies and commemorate them all with little tacky plaques. "Here is where hideous ugly 209 East State Street used to be. May it's ugliness rest in peace, and never be repeated."
March 6, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Toddguy said: What was there before should qualify for 'historic'. But the 'district' now? What district? They leveled it and put up 50's and 60's uglies-just because it is over 50 or 60 years old does not make it historic. That this "district" as it is could qualify as historic just seems crazy. Look at the horrible buildings that dominate it. Just wow. Level all the mid century modern uglies and commemorate them all with little tacky plaques. "Here is where hideous ugly 209 East State Street used to be. May it's ugliness rest in peace, and never be repeated." Or they could push for developers to research what the buildings used to look like, and try to recreate a close look to those.
March 6, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VintageLife said: Or they could push for developers to research what the buildings used to look like, and try to recreate a close look to those. Maybe use that as a template for upsized versions. We don't want to replace the uglies with stuff that is nice but too low. Maybe a nice mix of low and tall would do to make the area not look too 'manufactured'. The buildings here are among the worst in downtown. I loathe the area between State and Town. After they levelled the area, did it stay empty for long and did they panic and just accept anything just to have something? Kind of like how we just accepted Columbus Commons because it was the first step in getting things going on an empty site?
March 6, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, Toddguy said: Maybe use that as a template for upsized versions. We don't want to replace the uglies with stuff that is nice but too low. Maybe a nice mix of low and tall would do to make the area not look too 'manufactured'. The buildings here are among the worst in downtown. I loathe the area between State and Town. After they levelled the area, did it stay empty for long and did they panic and just accept anything just to have something? Kind of like how we just accepted Columbus Commons because it was the first step in getting things going on an empty site? Oh yeah I should have added to build them up. I didn’t mean to just build a bunch of 2-3 stories, but to use the facade and build around it.
March 7, 20232 yr I do find all this 50's/ 60's hate a little ironic. I'm sure the proponents of those buildings had the same conversations about the dated ugly buildings that existed then. Tough time for a building, too old to be new and too young to be appreciated. Only when enough of those buildings are gone will anyone miss them and want to preserve what happens to be left. I'm not against the redevelopment for a higher, better, denser use. But you can't ignore that it's a unique stretch of downtown that reflects the era in which it was built. I'd rather we develop all the empty parking lots behind those buildings on Chapel Street before we go bulldozing everything along East Town.
March 7, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, 17thState said: I do find all this 50's/ 60's hate a little ironic. I'm sure the proponents of those buildings had the same conversations about the dated ugly buildings that existed then. Tough time for a building, too old to be new and too young to be appreciated. Only when enough of those buildings are gone will anyone miss them and want to preserve what happens to be left. I'm not against the redevelopment for a higher, better, denser use. But you can't ignore that it's a unique stretch of downtown that reflects the era in which it was built. I'd rather we develop all the empty parking lots behind those buildings on Chapel Street before we go bulldozing everything along East Town. I can see this argument, but the main difference between these buildings and more historical buildings, is that those older buildings could be converted and look good. With tiny windows and crappy design, they don’t work great for apartments and wouldn’t really fit a modern office need either. people want open space and big windows that let in a ton of light.
March 7, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, 17thState said: I do find all this 50's/ 60's hate a little ironic. I'm sure the proponents of those buildings had the same conversations about the dated ugly buildings that existed then. Tough time for a building, too old to be new and too young to be appreciated. Only when enough of those buildings are gone will anyone miss them and want to preserve what happens to be left. I'm not against the redevelopment for a higher, better, denser use. But you can't ignore that it's a unique stretch of downtown that reflects the era in which it was built. I'd rather we develop all the empty parking lots behind those buildings on Chapel Street before we go bulldozing everything along East Town. Sorry, but these are the worst of the worst. Very suburban with big setbacks-completely at odds with what our downtown should be and has historically been. These were a mistake. If they were somewhere else(and there are plenty all around the city)it would not matter so much. I like some mid-century 50's and 60's stuff-even some of the commercial stuff. But this is just awful and in a terrible place. It should go. Preserve this stuff where it does not matter as much.
March 7, 20232 yr On 3/1/2023 at 10:30 PM, VintageLife said: No idea, but I sent an email to the downtown commission in support of the AspireColumbus development and everyone else should. here’s the email: [email protected] I got an email that my message of support was passed along to the commission. Hope they get a lot more! Put up that plaque and put something useful on that lot lol
March 7, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, 17thState said: I do find all this 50's/ 60's hate a little ironic. I'm sure the proponents of those buildings had the same conversations about the dated ugly buildings that existed then. Tough time for a building, too old to be new and too young to be appreciated. Only when enough of those buildings are gone will anyone miss them and want to preserve what happens to be left. I'm not against the redevelopment for a higher, better, denser use. But you can't ignore that it's a unique stretch of downtown that reflects the era in which it was built. I'd rather we develop all the empty parking lots behind those buildings on Chapel Street before we go bulldozing everything along East Town. I’d prefer we fill in the empty lots first too. But this was one of those unique opportunities that the owner of the land wanted to change strategies a bit and put their land to better use for the city/downtown.
March 9, 20232 yr Downtown Columbus' comeback: $1.5B of investment proposed for the central business district in 2022 There were more than two dozen developments proposed for downtown Columbus in 2022, totaling $1.5 billion of potential investment. That's according to the Capital Crossroads and Discovery Special Improvement Districts' annual report, which tracks information that gauges the vitality of downtown, such as housing development, office vacancy rates and visitors. According to the report, 27 projects were proposed in 2022. Twenty-two projects were under construction last year, totaling $688 million of investment in downtown. Proposed projects from the year include The Merchant Building, a $292 million investment, and the $108 million conversion of the Continental Centre. Work has since begun on both projects. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/09/downtown-columbus-2022-investment-projects.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 9, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: Downtown Columbus' comeback: $1.5B of investment proposed for the central business district in 2022 There were more than two dozen developments proposed for downtown Columbus in 2022, totaling $1.5 billion of potential investment. That's according to the Capital Crossroads and Discovery Special Improvement Districts' annual report, which tracks information that gauges the vitality of downtown, such as housing development, office vacancy rates and visitors. According to the report, 27 projects were proposed in 2022. Twenty-two projects were under construction last year, totaling $688 million of investment in downtown. Proposed projects from the year include The Merchant Building, a $292 million investment, and the $108 million conversion of the Continental Centre. Work has since begun on both projects. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/09/downtown-columbus-2022-investment-projects.html Let’s hope that this year brings around the same amount or more!
March 9, 20232 yr I think this is the right thread for this one. I didn’t even know about this rehab project. Glad to hear the building next door is planned to get rehabbed next. Then, hopefully all the parking lots between 4th and 5th start filling in. The apartments also look really nice from the photos, and the price isn’t too bad for downtown either. Lev's Pawn Shop in downtown Columbus finishes conversion of upper floors to apartments “The Residences at 218 East Main – 14 newly refurbished apartments in the historic downtown building – are now for lease. Lev Kucherski, who owns the building home to the eponymous pawn shop, and his grandson, Nick Kinney, an architect, have been working on the project since 2017. Kucherski bought the building in 2008, according to Franklin County Auditor's records. It was built in 1887. Kinney is now renovating the one-story building adjacent to the pawn shop and looking for a bar or bottle shop operator to open a business there.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/09/downtown-apartments-levs-pawn-shop-conversion.html
March 9, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, amped91 said: I think this is the right thread for this one. I didn’t even know about this rehab project. Glad to hear the building next door is planned to get rehabbed next. Then, hopefully all the parking lots between 4th and 5th start filling in. The apartments also look really nice from the photos, and the price isn’t too bad for downtown either. Lev's Pawn Shop in downtown Columbus finishes conversion of upper floors to apartments “The Residences at 218 East Main – 14 newly refurbished apartments in the historic downtown building – are now for lease. Lev Kucherski, who owns the building home to the eponymous pawn shop, and his grandson, Nick Kinney, an architect, have been working on the project since 2017. Kucherski bought the building in 2008, according to Franklin County Auditor's records. It was built in 1887. Kinney is now renovating the one-story building adjacent to the pawn shop and looking for a bar or bottle shop operator to open a business there.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/09/downtown-apartments-levs-pawn-shop-conversion.html It looks like it's been a while in the making! Long-time downtown pawn shop building to be converted to apartments By Tristan Navera – Reporter, Columbus Business First Sep 26, 2017 Updated Oct 4, 2017, 4:19pm EDT An old, three-story downtown building could be renovated with new apartments. Lev Kucherski, who owns Lev's Pawn Shop at 220 E. Main St., said he wants to see the top two floors of the building at the northwest corner of Main and 5th streets renovated with new apartments. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/09/26/long-time-downtown-building-to-be-converted-to.html From today's article: "There is one studio unit which will rent for $1,200. The one-bedroom units will rent for about $1,400 and the two-bedrooms will start at $2,000. The rent for a two-bedroom apartment includes a parking space. Twelve of the units have balconies." $1200 for a studio apartment in this area of town seems like quite a price tag. Maybe it's a loft set up? $1400 for the one-bedroom units is a bit more reasonable, but still pretty up there for this area of town. The units do look very nice, though, as does the common space.
March 9, 20232 yr 31 minutes ago, amped91 said: I think this is the right thread for this one. I didn’t even know about this rehab project. Glad to hear the building next door is planned to get rehabbed next. Then, hopefully all the parking lots between 4th and 5th start filling in. The apartments also look really nice from the photos, and the price isn’t too bad for downtown either. Lev's Pawn Shop in downtown Columbus finishes conversion of upper floors to apartments “The Residences at 218 East Main – 14 newly refurbished apartments in the historic downtown building – are now for lease. Lev Kucherski, who owns the building home to the eponymous pawn shop, and his grandson, Nick Kinney, an architect, have been working on the project since 2017. Kucherski bought the building in 2008, according to Franklin County Auditor's records. It was built in 1887. Kinney is now renovating the one-story building adjacent to the pawn shop and looking for a bar or bottle shop operator to open a business there.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/09/downtown-apartments-levs-pawn-shop-conversion.html It doesn’t look bad, but I can’t help but think that it had original wood floors that could have been redone and used. I hate the look of all the flooring that people put in these remodels.
March 10, 20232 yr Interesting that they are keeping the pawn shop open below I had missed the news apparently, but I didn't know that Uncle Sam's had closed across the street back in 2019. To be fair it always kind of looked closed even when it was open, but I swear I've seen the neon signs on even recently Anyway, that's a pretty prime spot for redevelopment next IMO. I'd like to see the corner brick building saved, but really the rest of that block could go and get something dense and new which would fill in the gap all the way to the Harlow Do we know who owns that property? Meat Packers Outlet is also closed, so are the upper floors occupied or is the entire block vacant?
March 10, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, VintageLife said: Let’s hope that this year brings around the same amount or more! I wish we were seeing double...
March 10, 20232 yr Dang, Meat Packers closed too?? I hadn’t realized that. The apartments above Uncle Sam’s had been managed by Connect. Idk if that’s still the case?
March 10, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, columbus17 said: I wish we were seeing double... The region is seeing way more than that so patience grasshopper, it’ll come… was just speaking with a customer about the PNC Building, he said there is another building that is going to begin being converted to residential here soon that hasn’t been announced yet
March 10, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: The region is seeing way more than that so patience grasshopper, it’ll come… was just speaking with a customer about the PNC Building, he said there is another building that is going to begin being converted to residential here soon that hasn’t been announced yet Seems like it will probably be the chase building, since they said they aren’t coming back to it.
March 10, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: The region is seeing way more than that so patience grasshopper, it’ll come… was just speaking with a customer about the PNC Building, he said there is another building that is going to begin being converted to residential here soon that hasn’t been announced yet That’s great! So that’ll be PNC, Ohio JFS, Continental, and the mystery building all getting residential conversions around the same time. Hope to see plenty more conversion in the coming years.
March 10, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Seems like it will probably be the chase building, since they said they aren’t coming back to it. That would be awesome. Having the PNC, Chase, and Continental towers all filled with residents would be amazing. Another cool residential conversion would be the Wyandotte building. It wouldn't add a ton of residential units as it's not a very large building, but I think it would be a very attractive option for potential residents.
March 10, 20232 yr ^That would actually be a pretty neat building to live in. Also, I still think it was a missed opportunity not to add some residential to the 5/3 tower with its renovation… I’ve also noticed some rehab work on the three story building on E Broad with the bagel shop on the first floor too, but idk if that’s residential or office space.
March 10, 20232 yr Just saw that the building Ho Toy was located is for sale. Would love to see that redeveloped with a mid rise or higher. It’s a tight little space, but all the buildings next to it, have no windows. also, just saw that the Millennial Tower project was updated on LoopNet in February. Seems strange to go in and update it, if it isn’t happening. Edited March 10, 20232 yr by VintageLife
March 10, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Another cool residential conversion would be the Wyandotte building. It wouldn't add a ton of residential units as it's not a very large building, but I think it would be a very attractive option for potential residents. I love that building - Columbus' first skyscraper designed by Daniel Burnham. Opened in 1898! The bay windows would look great in an apartment.
March 10, 20232 yr I've always wanted the Wyandotte Building to be some sort of "exclusive" boutique hotel. But I'll take residential too obviously. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 20232 yr Again he didn’t/couldn’t say but I didn’t even think about Chase, makes perfect sense though. If I hear anything else I’ll obviously pass it along.
March 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: also, just saw that the Millennial Tower project was updated on LoopNet in February. Seems strange to go in and update it, if it isn’t happening. What was the change? Is it just Arshot fishing? Gotta change up the bait occasionally? Seeing if they can still snag the unsuspecting tenant?
March 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Just saw that the building Ho Toy was located is for sale. Would love to see that redeveloped with a mid rise or higher. It’s a tight little space, but all the buildings next to it, have no windows. also, just saw that the Millennial Tower project was updated on LoopNet in February. Seems strange to go in and update it, if it isn’t happening. Do you know if the parking lot next to Ho Toy is included too? If so, that could give any one who buys a decent foot print to add structured parking, ground level retail, and residential. And I think I recall Schottenstein telling CBF back in 2020 or 2021 that there’s still a chance some version of Millennial could be built. And if there’s ever a time to go forward on it, right now with all the momentum in Downtown and the region is it. But I’m not getting my hopes up 😂
March 10, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, amped91 said: And I think I recall Schottenstein telling CBF back in 2020 or 2021 that there’s still a chance some version of Millennial could be built. And if there’s ever a time to go forward on it, right now with all the momentum in Downtown and the region is it. I dont have an issue with fishing because if they DID get the right tenant and it gets built, awesome, but it has always hinged on tenant and financing. How long is reasonable to wait for the unicorn for the big project or revamp. I'm totally fine with them continuing to seek a tenant rather than just have given up all together but I also wish they had revised their plans by no or released the property.
March 10, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, amped91 said: o you know if the parking lot next to Ho Toy is included too? I think it is, but it doesn’t 100% say it’s part of it. The property facts section says 8 spaces for parking, but it doesn’t list the parking lot as part of it in the details, so not sure. I would think whoever buys it, could probably get the parking lot owner to sell, but who knows. Edited March 10, 20232 yr by VintageLife
March 10, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: I dont have an issue with fishing because if they DID get the right tenant and it gets built, awesome, but it has always hinged on tenant and financing. How long is reasonable to wait for the unicorn for the big project or revamp. I'm totally fine with them continuing to seek a tenant rather than just have given up all together but I also wish they had revised their plans by no or released the property. I wonder if there’s a chance they just cut the office space in half (or all together), replace it with residential, and go forward without a big tenant? The TMUD program seems tailor-made for something like this too, so I’m sure they’d have a decent shot at landing that tax credit (if Arshot shows they are actually committed to building it). I did notice a while back one of our wind storms knocked the Millennial sign down, and now it’s been put back up. So at least someone is keeping an eye on the site 😂
March 10, 20232 yr While we’re on the topic of office conversion, the Larrimer building has recently lost its namesake tenant to the AD. It’s a pretty small building, but I think the upper floors would make for good residential conversion too. Maybe 10-15 units. Plus, Dehayes/Connect owns it, and he has a good track record of converting historic buildings to rez. And, I’m pretty sure he owns the large surface lot immediately north of the building too. Would be a great spot for a neighboring condo tower 😉 Larrimer & Larrimer law firm moves into Arena District office building “The law firm had been based at 161 N. High St. since the 1950s. Members of the Larrimer family owned that building until about 2010, when they sold it to Connect Real Estate. The building was built in 1890, according to Franklin County Auditor's records. Larrimer & Larrimer had been on the second and third floors of the High Street building, in about 12,000 square feet of space. The law firm recently moved to 300 Marconi Blvd., Suite 106, in late February. (That's the same building as Columbus Business First.) The new Arena District office space is about 6,000 square feet, or half of what the firm had in its old building. John Larrimer, attorney and managing partner at Larrimer & Larrimer, said downsizing made sense for the 15 employees in the office.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/03/08/larimore-arena-district-downtown-office.html
March 11, 20232 yr @amped91what's the "Ohio" building conversion you mentioned upthread? And I don't have any information on how likely this would be or what its current vacancy rate is, but I've thought before that the Huntington Plaza building at Broad and Front would make a really nice residential conversion It has huge floor to ceiling windows with views out up and down the river, and the setback at the lobby could be some amazing restaurant patios
March 11, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, VintageLife said: Just saw that the building Ho Toy was located is for sale. Would love to see that redeveloped with a mid rise or higher. It’s a tight little space, but all the buildings next to it, have no windows. I don't know how many of you were ever in the Ho Toy but I wouldn't mind seeing another restaurant go in (preserving or relocating the existing sign) It's actually a really cool and unique mid-century two story restaurant space (originally a burger king), with an open stair in the front double height bar area There are some challenges to overcome including probably needing to install new ADA compliant restrooms on the 1st floor, but I still think it could be great for a concept with a vision And the third floor can be renovated for either residential or office use Edited March 11, 20232 yr by NW24HX
March 11, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, NW24HX said: @amped91what's the "Ohio" building conversion you mentioned upthread? And I don't have any information on how likely this would be or what its current vacancy rate is, but I've thought before that the Huntington Plaza building at Broad and Front would make a really nice residential conversion It has huge floor to ceiling windows with views out up and down the river, and the setback at the lobby could be some amazing restaurant patios The conversion of the Ohio Job and Family Services building on Front to apartments, offices and cafe space from Connect and the Columbus Partnership. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/08/23/brad-dehays-columbus-partnership-odfjs-downtown.html It went to the Downtown Commission last August, but it seems like it’s been pretty quiet since. Dehayes did say it was contingent on historic preservation credits though, and I can’t remember if it received them.
March 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, NW24HX said: I've thought before that the Huntington Plaza building at Broad and Front would make a really nice residential conversion I think that building is almost 100% rented. I never see it listed on sites for open spaces. It was remodeled just before the pandemic, if I remember, so it is updated office and is probably one of the only older office buildings that will be fine.
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