15 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Be careful..or you might get classified as complaining "a lot" about Columbus because you do not always accept the status quo and sometimes/occasionally dare to *gasp* express some disappointment concerning anything about the city. 

 

I admittedly do complain about projects a lot, but I think for good reason.  The BF article just reinforces some of the obvious problems I and others have been talking about over the years- the city is not preparing well enough for a significant population increase.  The individual project complaints are easy targets, but the issues are deeper than that and I don't think it helps anything to gloss over them.  I love Columbus and it is a great city.  That reality doesn't mean there are no areas where it can't and shouldn't improve.  

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by jonoh81

12 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I admittedly do complain about projects a lot, but I think for good reason.  The BF article just reinforces some of the obvious problems I and others have been talking about over the years- the city is not preparing well enough for a significant population increase.  The individual project complaints are easy targets, but the issues are deeper than that and I don't think it helps anything to gloss over them.  I love Columbus and it is a great city.  That reality doesn't mean there are no areas where it can't and shouldn't improve.  

I will admittedly get frustration at the "downsizing" or scaling back of many projects and lack of size from time to time.  I feel most people in any city that have pride where they live will agree with that sentiment.  When all the stats point to a booming city, which it is, it can be frustrating to see the developments not keep pace with what is warranted.  That being said, I have a few friends, who have lived here their whole lives, and worked in construction and utilities industries very high up, and I've been told repeatedly that the INFRASTRUCTURE needed, much of which is underground, is very much lacking and far behind what is required to build big.  And yes, I think much of this blame can be put on the city to a degree.  They have kicked the can down the road in so many departments and now are not prepared for what should be a proud and exciting boom for this city.  The key word here is INFRASTRUCTURE, and how this city has not kept up or prepared for this in any way.

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by Gnoraa

So in my eyes, it's a tenfold issue with the city bearing the bulk of responsibility.

 

Developers - Developers are never going to take a risk, it's not in their business model, it's not in their financing model, and it's not in their short term interest. Honestly, why would they? For the most part developers are not here to make a city better or unique, they are here to make a return and currently they can make a return with mid-rise structures in the core. 

 

Banks - Banks hold so much power in development it's insane. Lenders are traditionally conservative with what they're willing to approve financing wise on projects, they also are interested in the return and even less about adding to the the urban environment. Pair that knowledge with Columbus historically being a third-tier market and you have the cycle of funding we have seen for the past 10 years, it's slowly changing it seems but ultimately it has hurt our ability to score big ticket developments until recently. 

 

The Market - Columbus has (for the past 80 years) been a car-centric, third-tier development market that loved the suburbs. We have no natural barriers to stop sprawl, we have a population willing to commute and bear the burden of a person vehicle, and we have a pretty solid suburban-esque population that due to annexation lives within city limits meaning they get a say in things like transit and development. Now, in recent years the mindset is changing, the city and OSU have leveraged growth together and really helped push density in the urban core, our growth has pushed us into a new tier of development interest, and even suburbanites are starting to see value in urban growth. I think we're heading the right direction but it won't be easy because as we see everywhere, people for the most part hate change and lifers are going to fight harder and harder as the city they grew up in becomes less and less recognizable. 

 

The Commissions - Double issue. One, the commissions seem to regulate on density and how they "feel" about projects vs the architectural integrity of projects which was kind of their actual purpose from the start. Two, the regularity of meetings, with the city growing and development proposals increasing, they should be meeting multiple times per month and at times when residents can actually attend vs the strange 11AM-3PM thing they currently run. With the current structure, developments spend months in limbo just navigating commission approval and input for things that can probably be fixed and reviewed a week later instead of a month ultimately delaying the project timelines. Additionally, I will say it, the meeting times basically  cater to older residents attending and nobody else, that's how every development ends up with only negative comments and feedback which is what the commission bases so much of their decisions on... thats an issue.

 

The City - Finally, the largest responsible party in my eyes, the city. The city has benefited from years of sustained growth and expansion, it has always been able to adapt to the changes happening because they were never massive. As time has passed and growth has increased we have finally hit a point where growing pains are beginning. The city and council have spent the better half of two decades ignoring form based zoning, transit, infrastructure development, and smoothing out the road to growth. We have witnessed the city push major issues to the back and shift focus on "Good PR" projects like SMART Columbus. The city council recently had the gull to publish a statement about "Putting developers on notice for traffic and density" while completely ignoring that fact that transit, mobility, and zoning are the responsibility of the city itself... It's completely ludicrous. Leaders tout density but maintain parking minimums and density restrictions, they push for added traffic lanes and reduces bike/bus lanes... The city has done so little to truly prepare for growth that all the things listed above have become more symptoms than causes. How many transit studies and programs, corridor plans and improvements has the public seen in the last 20 years? More than you can probably count and almost none of them have been pushed through or enforced. Instead the city is going to continue on its path until a breaking point is hit and by then it will all be too late. 

 

Anyway, I could go on for hours but if we're going to play the blame game for development, the issue has and for the time being fall down the line onto the city and its lack of planning. 

 

Working on comps this morning and ended up stumbling across what looks to be the design for the long rumored condo plot end-capping Neighborhood Launch. 

Currently this plot serves as surface parking and staging while Edwards has been building out The Mews. Level is a pretty solid arch firm up in Chicago, not the most groundbreaking designs but their finished product is usually quite beautiful. 

 

http://www.levelincorporated.com/work/312-east-gay-street

 

5 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

I will admittedly get frustration at the "downsizing" or scaling back of many projects and lack of size from time to time.  I feel most people in any city that have pride where they live will agree with that sentiment.  When all the stats point to a booming city, which it is, it can be frustrating to see the developments not keep pace with what is warranted.  That being said, I have a few friends, who have lived here their whole lives, and worked in construction and utilities industries very high up, and I've been told repeatedly that the INFRASTRUCTURE needed, much of which is underground, is very much lacking and far behind what is required to build big.  And yes, I think much of this blame can be put on the city to a degree.  They have kicked the can down the road in so many departments and now are not prepared for what should be a proud and exciting boom for this city.  The key word here is INFRASTRUCTURE, and how this city has not kept up or prepared for this in any way.

 

Good points. If the concerns about the city's growth are based upon the fact that the number of units and/or SF is not meeting demands or needs, that is one thing. Those are valid reasons for concern and should be addressed. But it's another thing if said concerns are primarily being driven by the simple desire for taller buildings or true skyscrapers because they are cool and make for good pictures. Taller is not necessarily better. It is possible that Columbus won't see developers go higher until more of the holes in the core are filled. If the demand continues to be there and the numbers work, the taller buildings will eventually come.

6 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

I will admittedly get frustration at the "downsizing" or scaling back of many projects and lack of size from time to time.  I feel most people in any city that have pride where they live will agree with that sentiment.  When all the stats point to a booming city, which it is, it can be frustrating to see the developments not keep pace with what is warranted.  That being said, I have a few friends, who have lived here their whole lives, and worked in construction and utilities industries very high up, and I've been told repeatedly that the INFRASTRUCTURE needed, much of which is underground, is very much lacking and far behind what is required to build big.  And yes, I think much of this blame can be put on the city to a degree.  They have kicked the can down the road in so many departments and now are not prepared for what should be a proud and exciting boom for this city.  The key word here is INFRASTRUCTURE, and how this city has not kept up or prepared for this in any way.

 

I know we're getting OT here, but that development plan on Henderson and Olentangy RR had to be pulled back in part because of a concern that local sewers couldn't handle the additional load.  I remember that being an issue in Clintonville with the Indianola projects, too.  Infrastructure upgrades, from sewers to transit, have to be a greater priority around Columbus moving forward.  This issue may not apply Downtown as much, but I'm sure we all want density beyond just Downtown. 

Nice looking building!

 

Too bad the south side of Gay is either surface parking or parking garages between Grant and 4th....

51 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I know we're getting OT here, but that development plan on Henderson and Olentangy RR had to be pulled back in part because of a concern that local sewers couldn't handle the additional load.  I remember that being an issue in Clintonville with the Indianola projects, too.  Infrastructure upgrades, from sewers to transit, have to be a greater priority around Columbus moving forward.  This issue may not apply Downtown as much, but I'm sure we all want density beyond just Downtown. 

Of my friends who work in the biz, sewer and sanitation lines have been a huge draw back, if not the largest.  Half of the projects that have been approved have had to take on their own ability to build in retainer sanitation options within their building, more than normal, simply because Columbus's system would get backed up and cannot handle the influx.  This is becoming embarrassing in my opinion that we are falling so far behind at this point.  We all want larger buildings and projects to be proud of and enhance our city, and people see a shiny new rendering and get all excited, but the reality is there is so much impact buildings of that size impose to our systems, and we are seriously ill-equipped to take on the extra load right now.  I'm a huge huge huge champion and defender of Columbus and want the best for our city, but the more inside information I get the more frustrated I am with lack of sight for the future, mostly from the lack and delay in infrastructure investment.  Lets not forget most things in the last decade or more were taxed abated so there's not much money coming in to help anyways.  I think many people focus on the "pretty" aspect of skyscrapers however fail to actually understand the level of "hidden" and messy infrastructure that needs to occur behind the shiny glass curtain.

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by Gnoraa

2 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

Of my friends who work in the biz, sewer and sanitation lines have been a huge draw back, if not the largest.  Half of the projects that have been approved have had to take on their own ability to build in retainer sanitation options within their building, more than normal, simply because Columbus's system would get backed up and cannot handle the influx.  This is becoming embarrassing in my opinion that we are falling so far behind at this point.  We all want larger buildings and projects to be proud of and enhance our city, and people see a shiny new rendering and get all excited, but the reality is there is so much impact buildings of that size impose to our systems, and we are seriously ill-equipped to take on the extra load right now.  I'm a huge huge huge champion and defender of Columbus and want the best for our city, but the more inside information I get the more frustrated I am with lack of sight for the future, mostly from the lack and delay in infrastructure investment.  Lets not forget most things in the last decade or more were taxed abated so there's not much money coming in to help anyways.  I think many people focus on the "pretty" aspect of skyscrapers however fail to actually understand the level of "hidden" and messy infrastructure that needs to occur behind the shiny glass curtain.

Are cities like Austin experiencing these same issues?  I've read in online threads that people in Austin actively fought against urbanisation for years, but I don't know how true that actually is.  Are they experiencing these same kinds of infrastructure problems with their development as well?

Do you guys--who are clearly smarter and more informed than I am--think it's too late? Just want your opinion. I would imagine the city is *aware* of all this, yes? And what was all in that huge bond package we just passed? Surely SOME infrastructure for sewer, right?

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by Zyrokai

8 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

Working on comps this morning and ended up stumbling across what looks to be the design for the long rumored condo plot end-capping Neighborhood Launch. 

Currently this plot serves as surface parking and staging while Edwards has been building out The Mews. Level is a pretty solid arch firm up in Chicago, not the most groundbreaking designs but their finished product is usually quite beautiful. 

 

http://www.levelincorporated.com/work/312-east-gay-street

 

Can confirm this is the design making its way through the approval process. 

If this is such a huge issue unique to Columbus, why is no one talking about it publicly?

Because everything in Columbus is a secret. It's not like Cincinnati where everything is an open secret.

15 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

Of my friends who work in the biz, sewer and sanitation lines have been a huge draw back, if not the largest.  Half of the projects that have been approved have had to take on their own ability to build in retainer sanitation options within their building, more than normal, simply because Columbus's system would get backed up and cannot handle the influx.  This is becoming embarrassing in my opinion that we are falling so far behind at this point.  We all want larger buildings and projects to be proud of and enhance our city, and people see a shiny new rendering and get all excited, but the reality is there is so much impact buildings of that size impose to our systems, and we are seriously ill-equipped to take on the extra load right now.  I'm a huge huge huge champion and defender of Columbus and want the best for our city, but the more inside information I get the more frustrated I am with lack of sight for the future, mostly from the lack and delay in infrastructure investment.  Lets not forget most things in the last decade or more were taxed abated so there's not much money coming in to help anyways.  I think many people focus on the "pretty" aspect of skyscrapers however fail to actually understand the level of "hidden" and messy infrastructure that needs to occur behind the shiny glass curtain.

 

Did the massive sewer project from a few years ago not help in addressing this at all? I'm genuinely curious because I know nothing about the specifics. 

 

https://www.columbusunderground.com/underground-tunnel-columbus

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by cbussoccer

16 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Did they massive sewer project from a few years ago not help in addressing this at all? I'm genuinely curious because I know nothing about the specifics. 

 

https://www.columbusunderground.com/underground-tunnel-columbus

From my understanding, as large as this project was, it was only to "catch up" to what was already so far behind, it still is not large enough to take on the size of projects we would like.  This project was to take on the overflowing sewage that was going into the Scioto River.  If you've ever taken a walk through Victorian Village, Short North, Italian Village, etc......I'm sure you've smelled the massive amounts of sewer gas.  It's not as frequent as it used to be but still exists.  This project was to help eliminate that.  As my friend called it once, it was a giant "sniffer". haha

9 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

From my understanding, as large as this project was, it was only to "catch up" to what was already so far behind, it still is not large enough to take on the size of projects we would like.  This project was to take on the overflowing sewage that was going into the Scioto River.  If you've ever taken a walk through Victorian Village, Short North, Italian Village, etc......I'm sure you've smelled the massive amounts of sewer gas.  It's not as frequent as it used to be but still exists.  This project was to help eliminate that.  As my friend called it once, it was a giant "sniffer". haha

 

So what you are saying is we need to dig another giant tunnel, and while we are at it we might as well dig out a tunnel for a subway as well? I like that plan!

13 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

So what you are saying is we need to dig another giant tunnel, and while we are at it we might as well dig out a tunnel for a subway as well? I like that plan!

Haha, I'm not sure we will ever get a full on subway but I agree, transit upgrades are a must in the future.  But additional sewer and utility infrastructure is very much needed if we are going to grow and grow well.

Do you guys really think that a mid or a high-rise will be built on this land? Them selecting Elford as their development partner pretty much says exactly what they're looking to build on this parcel of land; another 5 story max mixed use development. Picking Elford essentially guarantees we see the exact same thing that is being built at the white castle headquarters, Jeffrey park, Harrison west, etc. They're about as innovative as Nationwide when it comes to 'groundbreaking' developments...

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by Mateo
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14 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

So what you are saying is we need to dig another giant tunnel, and while we are at it we might as well dig out a tunnel for a subway as well? I like that plan!

 

The overflow tunnel does not improve the infrastructure to allow for greater density. That still needs to be done at the street level. It only comes into play during significant rainy.  Ideally, if the proper upgrades are done at the street level, the overflow tunnel becomes less important. (I.e. blueprint columbus)  We could build 3 or 5 or 10 of them and it won't help get more density where its needed. Water and sewage main upgrades are what's most important. 

5 minutes ago, Mateo said:

Do you guys really think that a mid or a high-rise will be built on this land? Them selecting Elford as their development partner pretty much says exactly what they're looking to build on this parcel of land; another 5 story max mixed use development. Picking Elford essentially guarantees we see the exact same thing that is being built at the white castle headquarters, Jeffrey park, Harrison west, etc. They're about as innovative as Nationwide when it comes to 'groundbreaking' developments...

 

Isn't Elford at the mercy of those financing the development? White Castle was never going to pony up the cash to build a high rise at that location. They've also done their urban projects mostly in the Short North where they couldn't go very high. Obviously it's a risk going with a company that hasn't built high, but it also doesn't mean they won't try. 

9 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Isn't Elford at the mercy of those financing the development? White Castle was never going to pony up the cash to build a high rise at that location. They've also done their urban projects mostly in the Short North where they couldn't go very high. Obviously it's a risk going with a company that hasn't built high, but it also doesn't mean they won't try. 

 

But I think it's telling on what their intentions are. If I'm looking to do build a new oil refinery, you can bet I'm not selecting a contractor that historically only does office buildings for example. 

 

Now if they selected someone like turner construction or brasfield & gorrie; then we would reasonably expect something relatively 'big'

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by Mateo

2 hours ago, aderwent said:

If this is such a huge issue unique to Columbus, why is no one talking about it publicly?

IS this a problem that's unique to Columbus?  I would have a hard time believing we're the only ones dealing with these issues.

On 10/16/2019 at 8:28 AM, Gnoraa said:

They have kicked the can down the road in so many departments and now are not prepared for what should be a proud and exciting boom for this city

The city has seemed ripe for a boom in the past couple years.  So, are you saying that we absolutely aren't going to see the exciting boom that we've been waiting for because of these issues?

10 minutes ago, Mateo said:

 

But I think it's telling on what their intentions are. If I'm looking to do build a new oil refinery, you can bet I'm not selecting a contractor that historically only does office buildings for example. 

 

Now if they selected someone like turner construction or brasfield & gorrie; then we would reasonably expect something relatively 'big'

 

That's a bit of a drastic comparison. 

14 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Are cities like Austin experiencing these same issues?  I've read in online threads that people in Austin actively fought against urbanisation for years, but I don't know how true that actually is.  Are they experiencing these same kinds of infrastructure problems with their development as well?

 

I've always heard that Austin has horrible NIMBYism, seemingly to a much worse degree than Columbus.  That seems to be the biggest issue with their development.  I haven't heard too much about infrastructure problems except for traffic. Despite those issues, though, they get so much more development than Columbus.  Admittedly, the region has been growing faster than Columbus, but actual city growth is much more comparable to Columbus, especially in the last 5 years or so.

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Did the massive sewer project from a few years ago not help in addressing this at all? I'm genuinely curious because I know nothing about the specifics. 

 

https://www.columbusunderground.com/underground-tunnel-columbus

 

I think that was just to prevent sewer backups from draining directly into the Scioto River, and it was EPA mandated, not really something Columbus leadership pushed for on their own.  This project didn't really do anything to change the situation in most neighborhoods.  

15 minutes ago, Mateo said:

 

But I think it's telling on what their intentions are. If I'm looking to do build a new oil refinery, you can bet I'm not selecting a contractor that historically only does office buildings for example. 

 

Now if they selected someone like turner construction or brasfield & gorrie; then we would reasonably expect something relatively 'big'

 

Elford actually has done some pretty large projects. They are the team behind the A&F campus, LeVeque Renovations, Dublin Methodist Hospital, and Millennial (if it were to be built). They're a pretty diverse company. Either way, they aren't the architecture firm on deck, they are just the leasing and construction for the project so we may see something outside of their norm. Remember, they are a local developer so unless there are towers/big things being built locally, they won't be doing those sorts of projects. 

37 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Elford actually has done some pretty large projects. They are the team behind the A&F campus, LeVeque Renovations, Dublin Methodist Hospital, and Millennial (if it were to be built). They're a pretty diverse company. Either way, they aren't the architecture firm on deck, they are just the leasing and construction for the project so we may see something outside of their norm. Remember, they are a local developer so unless there are towers/big things being built locally, they won't be doing those sorts of projects. 

 

My point still remains the same - none of those projects required Elford to build something larger than 4-5 stories. There's a reason that larger projects such as hilton 2, the joseph,  etc haven't selected Elford.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

IS this a problem that's unique to Columbus?  I would have a hard time believing we're the only ones dealing with these issues.

 

Cincinnati has spent hundreds of millions on sewer improvements in the past 15 years. The work wasn't necessarily in the CBD but not far away. They wiped out an entire hillside in Westwood.

Fun fact: I was literally walking across the intersection of Broad and 3rd for my lunch break today, looking at the exact area in question being proposed, and I smelled.....sewage, lol.

 

(I laugh out of sadness now).

 

Yeah I guess there might be something to this inhibition to our growth. At least anecdotally  ?

1 minute ago, Zyrokai said:

Fun fact: I was literally walking across the intersection of Broad and 3rd for my lunch break today, looking at the exact area in question being proposed, and I smelled.....sewage, lol.

 

(I laugh out of sadness now).

 

Yeah I guess there might be something to this inhibition to our growth. At least anecdotally  ?

Let's just start a campaign to get people in Columbus to eat way less fiber.  We'll block the problem at the source and relieve our overloaded sewage infrastructure.  Problem solved.

1 hour ago, Zyrokai said:

Fun fact: I was literally walking across the intersection of Broad and 3rd for my lunch break today, looking at the exact area in question being proposed, and I smelled.....sewage, lol.

 

(I laugh out of sadness now).

 

Yeah I guess there might be something to this inhibition to our growth. At least anecdotally  ?

 

I've smelled sewage multiple times in Manhattan. No more 1,000+ foot skyscrapers for them!

 

That is pretty funny though lol

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Let's just start a campaign to get people in Columbus to eat way less fiber.  We'll block the problem at the source and relieve our overloaded sewage infrastructure.  Problem solved.

 

Metamucil ban

On 10/15/2019 at 8:00 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

I admittedly do complain about projects a lot, but I think for good reason.  The BF article just reinforces some of the obvious problems I and others have been talking about over the years- the city is not preparing well enough for a significant population increase.  The individual project complaints are easy targets, but the issues are deeper than that and I don't think it helps anything to gloss over them.  I love Columbus and it is a great city.  That reality doesn't mean there are no areas where it can't and shouldn't improve.  

Well I guess maybe I am just expecting too much given the amount of population growth the region is having. This particular site is to me like the Nichols(or whatever it is)along HIgh was to you-one of the most prime sites in the CBD.

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I love Columbus and it is a great city.  That reality doesn't mean there are no areas where it can't and shouldn't improve.  

I agree and generally I respond favorably and have defended this city for decades, but I can get a bit frustrated with development, and it came out in this thread. I just hope whatever we get at this site is dense and is built with a good design and with quality materials. I need to remind myself that, although I think this is a really important site, there are plenty of other sites in the CBD and there are bigger fish to fry really when it comes to the city as many people have pointed out in this thread.

 

*I may have responded harshly regarding this site and in my comments and I do apologize to those involved. 

Edited October 18, 20195 yr by Toddguy

This article from the Dispatch mentions the planned 3rd and State development, but also paints a picture of the overall status of Capitol Square, including its history, present, and some glimpses into its future. 

 

https://www.dispatch.com/business/20191020/capitol-square-changes-seen-in-last-empty-parcels-development

Could JP Morgan and Chase possibly move its world HQ here? Prime location!
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-28/jpmorgan-weighs-shifting-thousands-of-jobs-out-of-new-york-area

 

 

1 minute ago, WagHills said:

Could JP Morgan and Chase possibly move its world HQ here? Prime location!
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-28/jpmorgan-weighs-shifting-thousands-of-jobs-out-of-new-york-area

 

 

Unfortunately I doubt it as they are still going to build a 1400 foot plus skyscraper on Park Avenue. https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=232215&page=73

 

The article confirms they are still building the new headquarters building in NYC. Hopefully we get some of those jobs leaving though-just hope they are not in Delaware County.

37 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Unfortunately I doubt it as they are still going to build a 1400 foot plus skyscraper on Park Avenue. https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=232215&page=73

 

The article confirms they are still building the new headquarters building in NYC. Hopefully we get some of those jobs leaving though-just hope they are not in Delaware County.

Maybe the peninsula?

17 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

Maybe the peninsula?

I have no idea. I hope we at least get some of the jobs here as opposed to the other alternative cities listed.  We will just have to see how things develop. 

Crane going up today. 
 

 

Beat me to it @Pablo! THE MOAR CRANE PORN THE BETTA!

 

Photo update below on 230 E Long St. 

 

 

A little more crane action for the Schottenstein development on 3rd. 

 

Oh baby look at that crane action!

Meanwhile, the Rhodes Tower...

8 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Meanwhile, the Rhodes Tower...

???

Wait, what's going on with Rhodes? Do we just not like how it looks? Lol.

 

That Budget rental places the real ?

Edited October 29, 20195 yr by Zyrokai

30 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

Wait, what's going on with Rhodes? Do we just not like how it looks? Lol.

 

That Budget rental places the real ?

It is our tallest, one of the most ugly if not the most ugly, and it is named after a total and complete...well...let's just say major jerk to be on the safe side.

 

*I also do not like that I am a "Rhodes Tower" right now...How many posts to advance to the next building anyone? mods?

 

Edited October 29, 20195 yr by Toddguy

Keeeeeep posting!

It will take me over 1,000 posts to reach a new tower-and I am not exactly a fan of that one so I guess I am stuck with the ugly Rhodes Tower. Hopefully I will reach Terminal Tower status at some point

 

How come "no general" is listed for cbussoccer? Can I get that instead of the Rhodes Tower?  Have I mentioned lately how extremely well moderated the board is, and how much we owe the administrators for such a wonderful site celebrating Ohio?

So , If I remember correctly the proposed Capital Tower at Third and State was to be anchored by the law firm of Vorys, Sater, Seymour and Pease  that is currently located on Gay Street, they had originally decided to take 200,000 thousand square feet, Bank One also had committed to lease 200,000 square feet, which would have been half of the  available footage.

After all of these years maybe Vorys will decide again to relocate and  maybe Chase will decide to relocate some of the New York staff here.

Its to bad that downtown has lost 2 major Corporate HQs this year. Ohio Health and CoverMyMeds. I don't think Ginther is pulling is weight.  Another 37 story tower was proposed to replace the Beggs Building in the late 80s. The building was later renovated and expanded to become the 5/3 Center. I've looked for  renderings of that tower but can't find them. I remember it was a Classic Art Deco design named 21State Street.

8 minutes ago, Rowntowner said:

So , If I remember correctly the proposed Capital Tower at Third and State was to be anchored by the law firm of Vorys, Sater, Seymour and Pease  that is currently located on Gay Street, they had originally decided to take 200,000 thousand square feet, Bank One also had committed to lease 200,000 square feet, which would have been half of the  available footage.

After all of these years maybe Vorys will decide again to relocate and  maybe Chase will decide to relocate some of the New York staff here.

Its to bad that downtown has lost 2 major Corporate HQs this year. Ohio Health and CoverMyMeds. I don't think Ginther is pulling is weight.  Another 37 story tower was proposed to replace the Beggs Building in the late 80s. The building was later renovated and expanded to become the 5/3 Center. I've looked for  renderings of that tower but can't find them. I remember it was a Classic Art Deco design named 21State Street.

 

CoverMyMeds is just going to Franklinton, which although not Downtown, is still very much in the urban core and as close as you can get without actually being Downtown.  Franklinton needs the help more than Downtown does.  

Edited October 30, 20195 yr by jonoh81