A little more reporting from the Dispatch. Looks like one floor for retail, then four for parking, then the sixth floor amenity deck, then the 13 story portion. 
 

Downtown Columbus housing boom: 19-story apartment building, two other complexes planned

 

“In a burst of activity, three new apartment complexes have been proposed Downtown, including a 19-story building with offices, apartments, a market and a rooftop restaurant.

 

The 19-story building, planned for 175 - 199 E. Rich St., and a seven-story building proposed for 204 E. Main St. would complement an emerging restaurant and entertainment strip on South Fourth Street. The other proposed apartment building, also seven stories high, would be built at 267 - 283 E. Spring St. in the growing "warehouse district."

 

[…]
 

The building, dubbed the Estrella, would contain an 11,000-square-foot first-floor market topped by four floors of parking containing 250 spaces. The roof of the parking level would include a terrace, lounge, fitness center, dog park and swimming pool.

 

A 13-story tower would rise above the parking decks including one floor of offices and 12 residential floors that would contain 180 apartments, about half of them studios. The top floor would include an 8,000-square-foot restaurant.“

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2023/04/24/19-story-tower-among-three-new-apartment-buildings-proposed-downtown/70139892007/

35 minutes ago, amped91 said:

11,000-square-foot first-floor market

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As of January 21, 2023, Trader Joe's had 560 stores across 42 states in the United States with stores being added regularly. Most locations averaged between 10,000 and 15,000 sq ft

 

Let's get the speculation rolling

7 minutes ago, Imwalle said:

 

Let's get the speculation rolling

I would much rather see an Aldi in go, but doubt it will be that. 
 

I’m going to go out in a limb and say it’s going to be a market like north market or east market type of stuff. 

It wont be a Trader Joe's. Never will be. I almost need to save the post to keep it handy but the household income within the 3 mile radius of downtown is not sufficient to support it.  *most* (not all) Trader Joe locations have a median household income of $100k within a 3 mile radius. Many have a median household income of 120-150k per household in the radius. The balance to that is usually population density. Downtown Columbus doesn't meet the general standards for a Trader Joe's so chances are slim to none. Trader Joe's is also not usually one for being part of big urban mixed used outside of major cities. Even in places like NYC and Chicago, many Trader Joe's are stand alone or part of a smaller development. 

 

Perhaps it could be a good relocation of the Hills Market. 

19 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

It wont be a Trader Joe's. Never will be. I almost need to save the post to keep it handy but the household income within the 3 mile radius of downtown is not sufficient to support it.  *most* (not all) Trader Joe locations have a median household income of $100k within a 3 mile radius. Many have a median household income of 120-150k per household in the radius. The balance to that is usually population density. Downtown Columbus doesn't meet the general standards for a Trader Joe's so chances are slim to none. Trader Joe's is also not usually one for being part of big urban mixed used outside of major cities. Even in places like NYC and Chicago, many Trader Joe's are stand alone or part of a smaller development. 

 

Perhaps it could be a good relocation of the Hills Market. 

Could Hills open a separate location and have a north end and a south end of downtown location, or is there just not enough demand for that?

 

I am really hoping it is a store and not a market because I really want a return of the Central Market right where it used to be-at the Greyhound site. But that is probably asking too much. 

 

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by Toddguy

5 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Could Hills open a separate location and have a north end and a south end of downtown location, or is there just not enough demand for that?

 

I am really hoping it is a store and not a market because I really want a return of the Central Market right where it used to be-at the Greyhound site. But that is probably asking too much. 

 

I'm leaning towards Hills making a permanent move depending on timing if Edward's bought that land for redevelopment. 

 

I think Columbus will be reaching peak market/food hall before long. Unless they manage to truly be more market driven like West Side Market and less food hall driven, I think having another market at the Greyhound site might be a tough sell with proximity to an expanded North Market and East Market. Though proximity to events at the Commons, Riverfront, etc could be a selling point. 

11 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Could Hills open a separate location and have a north end and a south end of downtown location, or is there just not enough demand for that?

 

I am really hoping it is a store and not a market because I really want a return of the Central Market right where it used to be-at the Greyhound site. But that is probably asking too much. 

 

That’s what I really want too. Really for historical purposes more than anything. But I do think if it were more farmers/makers market oriented with a few food vendors, it could really set itself apart from North/East Markets. 
 

And I’m kinda hoping the Hills, if Edwards truly does want to redevelop its current home, ends up moving right onto High St. 

1 minute ago, amped91 said:

That’s what I really want too. Really for historical purposes more than anything. But I do think if it were more farmers/makers market oriented with a few food vendors, it could really set itself apart from North/East Markets. 
 

And I’m kinda hoping the Hills, if Edwards truly does want to redevelop its current home, ends up moving right onto High St. 

I agree. If we want to get to that 40,000, then we can make it work. The east market is not downtown anyway-but I fear DTCL11 is gonna be right and we just won't get a Central Market there. 

The other thing is we need to consider on retail is that if it is going to be a multi-modal hub, a fair amount of space will be taken up for transit at ground level is my assumption. 

2 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

The other thing is we need to consider on retail is that if it is going to be a multi-modal hub, a fair amount of space will be taken up for transit at ground level is my assumption. 

Yeah I realize it is mostly just sentimental wishful thinking. If we get a 30 story tower I will not care one bit about the market lol.

It seems like it will incorporate the central market idea. 

 

 

The second and third floors look combined from the outside, so that is why I was confused. 

 

 

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by VintageLife

I'm also shocked that this lot was 30' wide, it looks like it barely fits cars, so those apartments don't seem like they will be super micro. 

 

9 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

 

 

 

224'? I'll take it! Assuming this gets built, that will give us 36 buildings over 200' if you include WMC Expansion and the Merchant Building. Can we get to 40 by the end of the decade?

18 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I'm also shocked that this lot was 30' wide, it looks like it barely fits cars, so those apartments don't seem like they will be super micro. 

 

 

They appear to be 15' x 20'. Which could look something like this 

 

 

5 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

 

They appear to be 15' x 20'. Which could look something like this 

 

 

That is perfect, if I didn’t have a business that requires storing a lot of items, this would be my ideal housing size, maybe 450 would be better but this is great. 
 

If you’re a single recent graduate or traveling nurse, these are perfect. 

39 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

224'? I'll take it! Assuming this gets built, that will give us 36 buildings over 200' if you include WMC Expansion and the Merchant Building. Can we get to 40 by the end of the decade?

I’ve been told that the people involved in this are very serious, so that gives me 99.99% confidence it will happen. The only thing I could see getting push back is wanting to eliminate Zettler st, but they have put together a great packet with clear information for all decisions they are making. 
 

They already have a website: https://www.theestrellacolumbus.com/

 

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by VintageLife
Added a website

37 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I'm also shocked that this lot was 30' wide, it looks like it barely fits cars, so those apartments don't seem like they will be super micro. 

 

I like that they plan on incorporating some lighting for the night time too. Downtown needs more lit up buildings for the nighttime skyline!

3 minutes ago, amped91 said:

I like that they plan on incorporating some lighting for the night time too. Downtown needs more lit up buildings for the nighttime skyline!

Agree, and I’m hoping it’s easily removed for when and if that other parking lot redevelops. 

58 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

It seems like it will incorporate the central market idea. 

 

I like the idea of a central market/farmers market kind of place, but I’ll be pretty annoyed if this is a half-assed food hall. Have you guys been to Bubbly? I’ve heard the food options are good but it looks like it should be in the middle of an early 2000s mall. 
 

I looked at their Instagram and it looks like they might own the Woodbury as well? Does anyone know if that’s right, or maybe they just designed it? I really like that place, so I guess that could indicate they’d do a nice job on the rooftop. 
 

There’s also the idea of the grocer by the commons, and maybe even the bottom floor of Phase 2 of the peninsula. 

7 minutes ago, smjjms said:

Have you guys been to Bubbly? I’ve heard the food options are good but it looks like it should be in the middle of an early 2000s mall. 
 

I looked at their Instagram and it looks like they might own the Woodbury as well? Does anyone know if that’s right, or maybe they just designed it? I really like that place, so I guess that could indicate they’d do a nice job on the rooftop. 

I have not been, but I did mention in the Columbus restaurant section that it is the most uninviting building I have seen. It’s surrounded by parking lots and even appears to have a drive thru window. 
 

They do own Woodbury and built the building I believe. 

If it looks like the renders, they will have done a masterful job of concealing the parking-almost groundbreakingly good for Columbus.

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by Toddguy

19-story building with potential grocery store proposed for downtown Columbus

 

Project feedback was generally positive from the commission, though there was some discussion of moving entrances for residents or making them larger or more significant. 

 

The proposed mixed-use tower would replace four buildings built between the 1920s and 1950s, running from 175 through 199 E. Rich St. 

 

Downtown residents have long asked for a grocery store, a key theme of the most recent downtown strategic plan. Lan said it was important to him to have a market or grocery store in this project. 

 

"The site is close to the old Central Market," Lan said. "With a market in our project, we're connecting the future to the past."

 

Just now, VintageLife said:

though there was some discussion of moving entrances for residents or making them larger or more significant. 

Do some commissioners just have to find something to complain about? Why would residents need bigger entrances?? s**t is so annoying, but glad it sounds like it will probably move ahead once it comes for an actual vote. 

2 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

19-story building with potential grocery store proposed for downtown Columbus

 

Project feedback was generally positive from the commission, though there was some discussion of moving entrances for residents or making them larger or more significant. 

 

The proposed mixed-use tower would replace four buildings built between the 1920s and 1950s, running from 175 through 199 E. Rich St. 

 

Downtown residents have long asked for a grocery store, a key theme of the most recent downtown strategic plan. Lan said it was important to him to have a market or grocery store in this project. 

 

"The site is close to the old Central Market," Lan said. "With a market in our project, we're connecting the future to the past."

 

CBF tryna stir that TJ pot too:

 

”The commercial space on the ground floor, as currently proposed, would be about 10,000 square feet. That's about the size footprint that grocers like Trader Joe's and Lucky's look for, though Lan hasn't yet had conversations with any specific grocer. 

 

Lan said he wanted to get the commission's feedback before engaging with retail brokers. Now that he's heard what they think of the design, he'll start to have conversations.

 

"We're open to anyone, even a retailer not in the Columbus market right now," Lan told me.”

39 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Why would residents need bigger entrances??

The obesity epidemic is getting out of control.

8 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Do some commissioners just have to find something to complain about? Why would residents need bigger entrances?? s**t is so annoying, but glad it sounds like it will probably move ahead once it comes for an actual vote. 

If the commission doesn't make them change something, then they can't point at the building and pretend they had something to do with its existence.

 

I’m happy to see that this is continuing to move ahead. Will be interesting to see when they come forward with a final design for approval. 

11 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

 

I’m happy to see that this is continuing to move ahead. Will be interesting to see when they come forward with a final design for approval. 

 

They do have a website up now. https://www.theestrellacolumbus.com/

 

Pretty exciting that we could have a 19 story building and a 12 story building under construction near each other in this part of downtown. This section of downtown has mostly been forgotten about in terms of redevelopment until the last couple years. 

8 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

They do have a website up now. https://www.theestrellacolumbus.com/

 

Pretty exciting that we could have a 19 story building and a 12 story building under construction near each other in this part of downtown. This section of downtown has mostly been forgotten about in terms of redevelopment until the last couple years. 

They have had the site up I think since it was proposed, which shows they are serious. 
 

yes, I am excited about what could happen over here. It’s the perfect area for multiple 10-20 story buildings with some under 10 plopped in also. There are so many parking lots in this area of downtown and not a lot of housing currently to stop taller development. 

https://design.osu.edu/news/estrella-high-rise-unites-ohio-state-students-and-design-professionals

After a long period of silence, the Estrella is back and bigger than before. Unfortunately, calling for more demo this time:

 

 

265' tall! That would put it just a few feet shorter than the North Bank Condo tower.

I like it in theory but seems like an unnecessary amount of demolition.  I guess 16 Bit and Dirty Franks will get the boot.

12 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

I like it in theory but seems like an unnecessary amount of demolition.  I guess 16 Bit and Dirty Franks will get the boot.

Yeah, it’s dumb to demo those properties, no reason it can’t be this tall without doing that. Those older buildings are what make that area have any nice feeling at all. Hopefully this gets a redo without demo 

Edited July 16, 2024Jul 16 by VintageLife

42 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

I like it in theory but seems like an unnecessary amount of demolition.  I guess 16 Bit and Dirty Franks will get the boot.

 

It is unfortunate for sure. I've always liked that little stretch of buildings. I guess the positive it will be replaced with more commercial space. Maybe they'll get stay in the new spot if they want.

12 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It is unfortunate for sure. I've always liked that little stretch of buildings. I guess the positive it will be replaced with more commercial space. Maybe they'll get stay in the new spot if they want.

Only if they want to pay double or triple the rent. New commercial space is going to cost more than local businesses or chains are able to pay.

18 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It is unfortunate for sure. I've always liked that little stretch of buildings. I guess the positive it will be replaced with more commercial space. Maybe they'll get stay in the new spot if they want.

16 Bit is supposed to be moving to the Peninsula…hopefully Dirty Franks will be able to stay….

 

Here’s a street view of the commercial buildings proposed for demo:

 

This is a little head scratching when there's a surface parking lot the same size directly southeast from this location that would be perfect for this type of development.

11 minutes ago, amped91 said:

16 Bit is supposed to be moving to the Peninsula…hopefully Dirty Franks will be able to stay….

 

Here’s a street view of the commercial buildings proposed for demo:

 

The building on the north corner makes even less sense. It’s just a blank wall, why?? I don’t like being a naysayer about projects, but will 100% be sending emails to the commission about this crap. 

I like the height increase. But the demo I’m cautious of, and I hate the new design. All the nice brick and traditional style first 3 floors are gone for some modern garbage. And the 5 story looks hideous - reminds me of something from the 70s. I’d like to see that building in a completely different style than the main development, and I’d really like to see more detail than this.

25 minutes ago, amped91 said:

16 Bit is supposed to be moving to the Peninsula…hopefully Dirty Franks will be able to stay….

 

Here’s a street view of the commercial buildings proposed for demo:

 

None of these have much to offer architecturally so I’m fine with it. However, I’d like to see their replacement be something that compliments the area. Put the larger tower in the back and offer small brick storefronts or at least a 5 story in a red brick and traditional design. Something that pays homage to the area.

1 minute ago, columbus17 said:

None of these have much to offer architecturally so I’m fine with it. However, I’d like to see their replacement be something that compliments the area. Put the larger tower in the back and offer small brick storefronts or at least a 5 story in a red brick and traditional design. Something that pays homage to the area.

My bigger problem is that this is replacing 4 small retail/restaurant spaces with probably 1-2 huge retail spots. It ruins what makes the red brick district great. 

Just now, VintageLife said:

My bigger problem is that this is replacing 4 small retail/restaurant spaces with probably 1-2 huge retail spots. It ruins what makes the red brick district great. 

There’s no reason you can’t break up the new building - both interior wise and facade wise. I may try to draw something up tonight for kicks because it can be done.

26 minutes ago, John7165 said:

This is a little head scratching when there's a surface parking lot the same size directly southeast from this location that would be perfect for this type of development.

 

Yea it would obviously be better to see that surface lot developed, but the owner has to be willing to either sell or develop themselves. A developer would definitely prefer to build on that surface lot as opposed to demo and then build on these lots, but apparently that surface lot is not available. 

2 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Yea it would obviously be better to see that surface lot developed, but the owner has to be willing to either sell or develop themselves. A developer would definitely prefer to build on that surface lot as opposed to demo and then build on these lots, but apparently that surface lot is not available. 

If they’re building this high, I’d venture to guess that lot has a project in the works as well. 

6 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

If they’re building this high, I’d venture to guess that lot has a project in the works as well. 

 

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

12 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Yea it would obviously be better to see that surface lot developed, but the owner has to be willing to either sell or develop themselves. A developer would definitely prefer to build on that surface lot as opposed to demo and then build on these lots, but apparently that surface lot is not available. 

I’ll try to look it up later, but I’m thinking DeHayes owns the other lot, right?

Revised Plan Calls for 23-Story Tower Downtown

 

A local developer is bringing a revised plan for a significant new mixed-use development to the Downtown Commission next week.

 

The previous plan, which was heard by the board last year, called for a 19-story, 180-unit building near the intersection of East Rich and South Fourth Streets. The new plan calls for a 23-story, 290-unit building on an expanded footprint, meaning that more existing buildings would need to be demolished to make way for the project.

 

Among the nine buildings now proposed for demolition are the two-story buildings that hold Dirty Frank’s and 16-Bit Bar+Arcade, the three-story building that once held Velvet Cafe, and a three-story building at the corner of Rich and Fourth (232 S. Fourth St.). The new proposal calls for a pocket park on that corner, and a five-story commercial building at the corner of Fourth and Cherry Street.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/revised-plan-calls-for-23-story-tower-downtown-bw1/

 

 

I sent a screen shot to Dirty Frank’s on instagram and they responded with, “Hi, there! Thanks for sending. Can you please tell us where you saw this?”

 

sounds like they didn’t have any idea?? 

1 hour ago, amped91 said:

16 Bit is supposed to be moving to the Peninsula…hopefully Dirty Franks will be able to stay….

 

Here’s a street view of the commercial buildings proposed for demo:

 

 

So is the Little Palace building staying? That's the only one of those I would actually care about saving because unlike the others, it hasn't been stripped of every detail. 

Edit: Nevermind, I didn't look at the new renderings. 

 

I also like the increased height and density, but the first proposal was far more interesting architecurally. This is pretty boring and I hope it gets revised back more towards the original. 

Edited July 16, 2024Jul 16 by jonoh81