Haslams announce Brook Park stadium-area development partner, updated plans
By Ken Prendergast / December 10, 2024

 

New details emerged today on the proposed $1.2 billion mixed-use district surrounding the Haslam Sports Group’s (HSG) proposed all-purpose, roofed stadium in the Cleveland suburb of Brook Park. HSG announced that Lincoln Property Company, a global real estate firm, will be the development partner for the Cleveland Browns’ 176-acre mixed-use entertainment district.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2024/12/10/haslams-announce-brook-park-stadium-area-development-partner-updated-plans/

Interesting that this rendering has some retail/restaurant names above the stores, at least one of which is readable and legit -- Harvest & Hearth, a real restaurant chain based out of Saratoga Springs, NY

 

 

The Rose doesn't appear to be anything -- yet.

 

 

Summit Tap & Grill at right doesn't appear to be anything legit either

 

Jimmy: How about a world class football team? 

So it looks like they have no interest in developing near a potential infill Red Line station, nor making any kind of pedestrian connection to the airport. Seems like a major missed opportunity to me. 

It's crazy he expects taxpayers to pay for all this. 

 

"So it looks like they have no interest in developing near a potential infill Red Line station, nor making any kind of pedestrian connection to the airport. Seems like a major missed opportunity to me."

 

I bet they only open any station on game days.

Edited December 10, 2024Dec 10 by coneflower

Will never happen.  Huge surface lot.  I know I am a broken record on this point but this whole joke makes my blood boil.  I did not read the article but a poster above suggests it includes 500,000 sq feet of office space.  This is just further proof it is a fantasy.  If Jimmy wants to build Jimmy land and the stadium in this god awful place more power to him but not a penny of tax payer $$$.

This revised site plan definitively less "striking" as the initial proposal as expected. It is also less dense, meaning there is even less space for the necessary surface parking. Worst of all this plan is definitively turning its back on the Redline and Airport (and potential Amtrak infill station one day).  

 

The potential for an Airport or Transit oriented development is arguably the most compelling point of this (or any) development on this parcel. Turning that down for a development oriented towards an I-71 off ramp is a tremendous disappointment. 

 

EDIT - 300,000 sqft of Retail??? How would you fill that out without poaching from Great Northern and Southern Park (two of the most stable malls in the metro). For reference the primarily retail focused Pinecrest off Harvard has around 400,000 sqft. Sure you might be able to pull in some new businesses not already in the region (or more experiential / entertainment focused ones), but I think they'll need to poach to round this out. 

 

500,000 sqft of Office??? The total existing Southwest submarket has 500,000 of Class A today (according to Colliers). If you include the West submarket, there's ~2.5 million sqft of Class A on the west side (Cuyahoga cities plus the Avons/North Ridgeville). How would you lease that out without poaching from surrounding suburbs (or downtown)?

2 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

This revised site plan definitively less "striking" as the initial proposal as expected. It is also less dense, meaning there is even less space for the necessary surface parking. Worst of all this plan is definitively turning its back on the Redline and Airport (and potential Amtrak infill station one day).  

 

The potential for an Airport or Transit oriented development is arguably the most compelling point of this (or any) development on this parcel. Turning that down for a development oriented towards an I-71 off ramp is a tremendous disappointment. 

I can't say that any of us would really be surprised by this.  Maybe it could be a bargaining chip for any amount of public money. 

Piling on with the annoyance that they are seemingly ignoring incorporating the Redline right  there as well as the airport. Seems like a huge oversight.

8 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Piling on with the annoyance that they are seemingly ignoring incorporating the Redline right  there as well as the airport. Seems like a huge oversight.

Why would they even consider this.  Would just be shooting themselves in the foot.  They want people to drive there so they can charge $50 and up for parking.  Isn't this really the whole point of leaving downtown in the first place, control of the parking.

Again, in full support, but does not need a $ of taxpayer dollars. Let's invest that into housing and programs to get more low-income families into the middle class, create jobs, an decrease the housing shortage. That would net much better than buying a stadium for a private entity.

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

Why would they even consider this.  Would just be shooting themselves in the foot.  They want people to drive there so they can charge $50 and up for parking.  Isn't this really the whole point of leaving downtown in the first place, control of the parking.

Yup, definitely a feature and not a bug in the minds of HSG. This development is such a negative for the region. It's clearly designed to keep out the poors, it will poach from existing shopping/lifestyle centers, it will steal events from downtown, and vacates a giant stadium on the lakefront that will likely sit vacant for years. There really should be no negotiating whatsoever.

5 minutes ago, Ethan said:

So it looks like they have no interest in developing near a potential infill Red Line station, nor making any kind of pedestrian connection to the airport. Seems like a major missed opportunity to me. 

They have no interest in anything which risks a single penny leaving or not being spent on their turf.  They don't care about surrounding sidewalks, street lights, landscaping, anything which risks people staying at nearby hotels or cheaper parking or patronizing anything beyond their walls. They want every single person going to an event there paying for their parking and their services which is why they don't give a s**t about the RTA.  They aren't bothered if this is heavily funded by shady bonds which could be defaulted on and the tax payer is left to pick up. 

 

Also specifically on the office space, there is no way in hell they are landing a Progressive sized office tenant from outside the metro to fill that 500k sq ft of office space. Maybe Austin or Nashville, but a crappy part of suburban Cleveland is just not on the radar for new to market fortune 1000 companies. Any tenants would come from within the area and to hell if causes any blight elsewhere, as long as it lines their pockets. So yeah, it needs a Progressive or multiple medium sized tenants to vacate their current digs which would be a disaster for wherever they leave behind. Whilst I am unconvinced we see the mixed use stuff I am 100% sure they are making moves with major names in the local scene who will sign phony letters of intent to up the ante and spin a story about "demand" for the project. That study they put out the other day evidences they are willing to put fabricated bulls**t out there and there are enough gullible people on social media etc who aren't clued up like most on this forum who will buy it without understanding the dynamics.

4 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

15 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Piling on with the annoyance that they are seemingly ignoring incorporating the Redline right  there as well as the airport. Seems like a huge oversight.

Why would they even consider this.  Would just be shooting themselves in the foot.  They want people to drive there so they can charge $50 and up for parking.  Isn't this really the whole point of leaving downtown in the first place, control of the parking.

 

No rapid transit connection would increase the demand for gameday parking, however it could simultaneously reduce the potential value of the surrounding development. If you are trying to get people and businesses to move next to an engine plant in an inner ring suburb it would make sense to fully capitalize on the lots full potential. 

 

So is the increase in parking demand ~8-10 days a year exceed the total added value of a direct rapid transit connection to the Airport, Downtown and The Circle?

 

I mostly point this out because only having values (and profit motives) in direct opposition to that of the region (and its future) would lead them to their decision. Truly regressive. 

^ Likewise by not connecting to the airport via transit or direct pedestrian connection, they will get all of the downsides of living near the airport, with none of the potential upsides. I could see a market for people/businesses that are frequent travelers wanting to locate somewhere with direct access to the airport. To anyone traveling more frequently than weekly, this could be substantial time savings. Again missed opportunity to appeal to a nich market. They aren't leveraging the benefits of the location at all with this massing. Only seeking to minimize its downsides. 

The lack of Red Line accessibility should be yet another non-starter for any plea for public subsidy. These flashy renderings and seemingly out-of-thin-air economic impact figures their study came up with have personally made me even more jaded about even a penny of public funds going towards this. If HSG wants this, they can pay for it.

21 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

 

No rapid transit connection would increase the demand for gameday parking, however it could simultaneously reduce the potential value of the surrounding development. If you are trying to get people and businesses to move next to an engine plant in an inner ring suburb it would make sense to fully capitalize on the lots full potential. 

 

So is the increase in parking demand ~8-10 days a year exceed the total added value of a direct rapid transit connection to the Airport, Downtown and The Circle?

 

I mostly point this out because only having values (and profit motives) in direct opposition to that of the region (and its future) would lead them to their decision. Truly regressive. 

I totally agree with where you are coming from, but a lot of people who support this whole project, mainly car brained suburbanites, would probably would view that as a good thing as dreadful as it sounds. If it keeps them from interacting with riff raff (mainly poor people who are different from them) then so be it. 

 

Jimmy getting all his ducks in a row. Everything except the financing. Maybe he knows something we don't.

Crain's article https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/browns-pick-dallas-based-firm-master-developer-brook-park-project

More PR drips and drabs to get the Breaking News chyron on local news for a full day news cycle.
 

Sounds less impressive once put today’s PR sheet into perspective - notice the legal se or caveats just in one paragraph such as:

 

multiple phases… 

intended to ultimately include…

at full build out…

“The mixed-use district surrounding the stadium will be developed across multiple phases and is intended to ultimately include 300,000 square feet of retail, two upscale hotels, 1,100 apartments and 500,000 square feet of office at full build-out…”

 

leaves a lot of weasel room to end up with just a dome for 20 years with a giant parking lot.

 

more BS (they really think we’re dumb):

 

“…Northeast Ohio and the Brook Park site have all the advantages, including a prime location and accessibility, to become a go-to entertainment destination in the U.S…”

 

”…that will drive year-round activation and community involvement...”

 

would be more believable downtown. Why not engage Lincoln Property Company to do this downtown as they are doing elsewhere with 50, 60 and even a 70 story centerpiece skyline changing towers (though all look generically corporate with the same vague and elusive community activation promises).

 

Did they do a proposal for the current location and also next door on prime Burke land???  Let’s see it. Can’t believe any star developer wouldn’t chomp on the bit to design either of those. This all seems too rushed and flying by the seat of their pants. Try again.

more stories.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-browns-brook-park-domed-stadium-entertainment-district-haslam-sports-group-development-lincoln-property/95-9df0df93-807f-4810-bf8f-3f0bee46b8c2

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/browns-pick-developer-release-new-images-of-brook-park-stadium-district

 

https://fox8.com/news/browns-announce-development-partner-release-new-renderings-for-brook-park-stadium-district/

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/12/10/browns-announce-development-partner-release-new-renderings-brook-park-stadium/

 

 

Can we just put the world's largest Dave & Buster's in the parking lot and call it a day?

37 minutes ago, snakebite said:

1 hour ago, NorthShore647 said:

 

No rapid transit connection would increase the demand for gameday parking, however it could simultaneously reduce the potential value of the surrounding development. If you are trying to get people and businesses to move next to an engine plant in an inner ring suburb it would make sense to fully capitalize on the lots full potential. 

 

So is the increase in parking demand ~8-10 days a year exceed the total added value of a direct rapid transit connection to the Airport, Downtown and The Circle?

 

I mostly point this out because only having values (and profit motives) in direct opposition to that of the region (and its future) would lead them to their decision. Truly regressive. 

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I totally agree with where you are coming from, but a lot of people who support this whole project, mainly car brained suburbanites, would probably would view that as a good thing as dreadful as it sounds. If it keeps them from interacting with riff raff (mainly poor people who are different from them) then so be it. 

 

Yes of course there are plenty of car brained people to go around (and with Haslam the former gas station mogul they have their perfect champion). 

 

There are however a lot of car oriented suburbanites that even understand the utility of rapid transit for football games and big events (like the Haslams keep talking about). A lot of people who would never take transit for their commute would use it for events, especially if the parking is difficult and pricey enough. Some that have never taken transit in their home city use it when traveling to another for events. Even the suburbanites that would never use it under any circumstances like that it reduces the traffic they are in after a game.

 

The people who don't like the idea of being around any riff raff aren't going to Browns games (I've seen plenty of fights even in the club seats). If we are just talking about the surrounding development, that potential clientele isn't going to to like being next to an engine plant in a working class inner ring suburb on the Cleveland border much. They may try and treat it like a hermetically sealed development out in some greenfield development off the turnpike, but its still a stones throw from city limits (its even walking distance from public housing). 

 

Even for people ideologically opposed to transit can't deny its benefit for major events. The Rapid was recognized as a legitimate asset in the site selection process for the RNC in 2016. 

Has anyone watched yesterday’s City Club with DOT Secretary Pete Buttigieg? I am hoping he mentioned Burke and Lakefront or at least took a question from the audience. I also assume there was private meeting with Bibb and hopefully Ronayne and Joyce Huang afterward???

 

https://www.cityclub.org/forums/2024/12/09/a-conversation-with-us-secretary-of-transportation-pete-buttigieg

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/whats-next/pete-buttigieg-speaks-city-club-of-cleveland/95-cec82a9e-5c48-4586-90ef-9f9d440d5eb2

 

Edited December 10, 2024Dec 10 by Willo

1 hour ago, NorthShore647 said:

 

No rapid transit connection would increase the demand for gameday parking, however it could simultaneously reduce the potential value of the surrounding development. If you are trying to get people and businesses to move next to an engine plant in an inner ring suburb it would make sense to fully capitalize on the lots full potential. 

 

So is the increase in parking demand ~8-10 days a year exceed the total added value of a direct rapid transit connection to the Airport, Downtown and The Circle?

 

I mostly point this out because only having values (and profit motives) in direct opposition to that of the region (and its future) would lead them to their decision. Truly regressive. 

Based on everything we've seen with his business dealings and his time in Cleveland, I don't think Jimmy is very smart. He's just a guy who had a Dad who was good at gas stations and left him with a multi-billion dollar empire that he quickly got in serious legal trouble and sold. But he clearly thinks he's the smartest person alive, because he thinks all of us believe everything he's throwing out with the Brook Park developments. 

 

It's absolutely hilarious that none of the other developments will even begin until the Browns are already playing in the new stadium. It could not be more clear that he's not going to build almost anything other than parking lots. 

 

It seems like he's just focused on parking revenue and hurting the city of Cleveland. There is no way he's going to get 2 upscale hotel partners for almost 500 hotel rooms there for 10-12 days a year of business. 1,100 apartments??? There is no way he's building affordable units because he seems to hate poor people. So he's going to attract 2000+ of Cleveland's limited wealthier crowd to live in 80 acres of parking lots inbetween 2 highways next to the airport? And with all of these "major events" he claims will happen, they won't even be able to drive out of the parking lots due to crowds. 

 

What a joke. 

You're telling me Taylor Swift won't have a concert residency in Brookpark the next thirty years? 

23 minutes ago, PlanCleveland said:

Based on everything we've seen with his business dealings and his time in Cleveland, I don't think Jimmy is very smart. He's just a guy who had a Dad who was good at gas stations and left him with a multi-billion dollar empire that he quickly got in serious legal trouble and sold. But he clearly thinks he's the smartest person alive, because he thinks all of us believe everything he's throwing out with the Brook Park developments. 

 

It's absolutely hilarious that none of the other developments will even begin until the Browns are already playing in the new stadium. It could not be more clear that he's not going to build almost anything other than parking lots. 

 

It seems like he's just focused on parking revenue and hurting the city of Cleveland. There is no way he's going to get 2 upscale hotel partners for almost 500 hotel rooms there for 10-12 days a year of business. 1,100 apartments??? There is no way he's building affordable units because he seems to hate poor people. So he's going to attract 2000+ of Cleveland's limited wealthier crowd to live in 80 acres of parking lots inbetween 2 highways next to the airport? And with all of these "major events" he claims will happen, they won't even be able to drive out of the parking lots due to crowds. 

 

What a joke. 

Im still against a move from the lake. But, if this happens then any tax dollars used should have strings attached to it which would mandate the additional developement.

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Phase One, which is planned to deliver along with the stadium in 2029, will include 450 hotel rooms; 575 apartments; 96,000 square feet of traditional retail, suited for unique food & beverage and shopping destinations; and 137,000 square feet of experiential retail, which will include a team store, and other experience-based retail concepts that will drive year-round activation and community involvement.

I'm not being funny, but they could genuinely probably do that somehow on the current site let alone wait for the Burke land to open. Leads me to further believe all they really give a f*ck about is the parking spaces.

3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

Can we just put the world's largest Dave & Buster's in the parking lot and call it a day?

 

The Philly special

gonna need an airport skytrain (plus with the car rentals moving back) ...

6 hours ago, Ethan said:

So it looks like they have no interest in developing near a potential infill Red Line station, nor making any kind of pedestrian connection to the airport. Seems like a major missed opportunity to me. 

Why would Jimmy want to when he wants our parking money, whether it's for Browns games or his little corporate welfare fiefdom. 

Jimmy and Dee and HSG need this done ASAP so they can: (1) extract the highest value when they sell maybe a 25% share to a minority-share group and also take advantage of the new NFL rule to sell 10% to private equity groups; or (2) Move the franchise when the BP deal doens't pan out and the curtain is lifted that they never wanted to be Downtown or Cleveland for that matter.

They want the cash - cash money now - for other deals - Cleveland be Damned is what their actions are saying to us, regardless of their poorly worded PR scripts on how we are not sophisticated enought to appreciate what they are proposing.

Exactly what is the draw to hang out at any of these restaurants or other places when the stadium isn't in use?  Even when the stadium is in use I can't imagine the area active all day and evening while events are occurring. Wouldn't The Haslams want all the money they could get from inside the stadium?  

 

It is also interesting that downtown has struggle to get any retail yet an unproven location with no residential yet is able to say they will entice a full plethora of shops and restaurants

 

Lastly, I see nothing that states they have the financing locked for any of this.  Is this merely to entice the state and local officials to get behind this development? Again I say no to any taxes going towards this since this is nothing but a money grab of business that should remain in the downtown area.  The Haslam's want nothing more to take all the profit for themselves.

Edited December 11, 2024Dec 11 by dave2017

but will you be able to roller skate around inside it? 🎅

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDK03BlMZxm/?igsh=MWZremNuMjNzZzIzcw==

22 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

but will you be able to roller skate around inside it? 🎅

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDK03BlMZxm/?igsh=MWZremNuMjNzZzIzcw==

Probably for a fee and paid parking unlike the remaining indoor malls where the SilverSneaker seniors are allowed to walk laps before the stores open.

18 hours ago, NorthShore647 said:

 

The Philly special

Good thing you brought this up because this is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Xfinity Live! was opened in 2012 and that was supposed to be part 1 of the whole "ballpark village" sort of thing. and guess what....12 years later still no next phase. They are just now announcing plans to add to it: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/transforming-south-philly-sports-complex-2-and-a-half-billion/3787910/

 

So i hope all these nice pie in the sky concept drawings don't fool the masses into thinking this brook park stadium will vitalize the area. There's plenty of examples in other cities that had similar ideas that just aren't so easy to make reality.

1 hour ago, dwolfi01 said:

Good thing you brought this up because this is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Xfinity Live! was opened in 2012 and that was supposed to be part 1 of the whole "ballpark village" sort of thing. and guess what....12 years later still no next phase. They are just now announcing plans to add to it: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/transforming-south-philly-sports-complex-2-and-a-half-billion/3787910/

 

So i hope all these nice pie in the sky concept drawings don't fool the masses into thinking this brook park stadium will vitalize the area. There's plenty of examples in other cities that had similar ideas that just aren't so easy to make reality.

 

This is a good point and worth reiterating. 

 

This project is led by Comcast Spectator (owners of the Flyers and the Wells Fargo Center). This project was then later joined by the Phillies. From what I can tell there has been no direct contribution/involvement from the Eagles. That means that this is undertaken by the ownership of teams/facilities that have between them over 150 events per year, year round (a lot even if the 76ers leave for city center or Camden). No development of this scale would be happening with the Eagles and Lincoln Financial Field if they were alone in that parking lot and Philly's arena and ballpark were located somewhere else in the metro. This project is arguably closer Gateway in Cleveland and to what Gilbert/Bedrock are doing right now on the Riverfront. 

 

Also this project is being undertaken by Comcast Spectator, a subsidiary of Comcast, one of the largest media entities in the entire world. It is not owned by an individual affiliated with comcast in some way, but the massive multinational corporation itself (40th on Forbes global 2000). The Browns on the other hand are owned by a family that used to own a lot of truck stops. 

 

This south Philly sports complex development (which again has taken years to materialize, and will according to comcast take well over a decade to build) also has a few other advantages when compared with Brookpark:

• Being built directly around the existing Broad Street Line stop on Pattison
• ~3x closer to city center 
• Across the street from a large Olmsted Brothers designed park (not an engine plant)
• Total complex area roughly ~60 acres larger 
• More direct highway access
• In a CSA roughly double the size of Cleveland
• On a site where spectator sports have been played for nearly a century
• Does not require over a billion dollars in taxpayer subsidies

 

39 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

Does not require over a billion dollars in taxpayer subsidies

I'd say that this is true of Brookpark as well.  Best of luck to the Browns -- but forget about a Cleveland subsidy.

Some observations from this ridiculous joke of a rendering. A large lake has replaced the engine plant. The recently constructed massive distribution warehouse is surrounded by a forest, which I imagine will make it quite a task for the truck drivers trying to access the loading docks. Not to mention the thousands of old growth trees in and around this fantasy land. 

I think Jimmy's plan (hope) is to get public funding for half of the 2.4 billion dome. He's thinking the original plan on the lakefront was for a 1.2 billion stadium split between him and the taxpayers. So 600 million for him. BUT he thinks if he can get everyone on board with the dome it only costs him another 600 million but he controls all that parking plus any extra events he can get. He knows he's not going to build all the ancillary stuff - he just put it out there to sell the idea. Sort of a bait and switch.

 

Unless he has an under the table agreement with Columbus and he thinks when it's announced it will bring the local pols on board, he's not getting this done. 1.2 billion is A LOT of public money for the state snd region.

 

I still think all of this on his end is a version of negotiating. If he can't get a buyin from the politicians then he's either going to go back to the lakefront or move the team. If not Columbus or elsewhere in the US maybe  he'll be the team in Europe the NFL wants. Still a lot to transpire before we know the final outcome.

$1.2 billion is just the tip of the iceberg. It's multiples of that when you factor in reconfiguring the highway and ancillary costs, utilities, decades of stadium repairs and maintenance, Jimmy's cut for non-Browns events at the stadium, and lost revenue from cannibalized shows, housing, restaurants, and hotels. Well into the billions off the public teat.

 

Not happening.

I think the timing of the Bengals lease is really bad for heavy state support and will limit what is provided from that end, regardless of political affiliations. They cannot be seen to give Cleveland heavy funding for a new build dome plus surrounding infrastructure and then tell Cincinnati to go back with a bare renovation by comparison to their current stadium. The give is going to be comparable, and that's looking like two expensive domes or cheaper open air renovations of the current sites.  Maybe if the leases were 10+ years apart we'd see more financial backing but I just don't see how they feed both mouths at the same time with huge asks. 

I honestly wonder if the Haslams actually ever talk to normal residents of Cuyahoga County. I feel like I must be missing something because the whole idea that the county can give them $1B+ for this is so outlandish. What do they know that we don't that makes them think they can pull this off when the vast majority of people seem to agree the taxpayers should not contribute to it. I haven't seen any evidence that regular citizens are calling on Ronanye or county council to cough up the dough for this.

Of course l agree that getting the money from the taxpayers for a dome plus the road construction is going to be a very hard sell. In fact l don't see it happening. I've said that from the beginning. And tl think all the videos given to the media are nothing more than Jimmy negotiating. He's using the media to get to the politicians/public. I think it's nothing more than a type of negotiation. It's Plan A. If that doesn't work there's Plan B and Plan C. The only thing l can't figure out is which plan is staying on the lakefront and which plan is moving the team?

40 minutes ago, coneflower said:

I honestly wonder if the Haslams actually ever talk to normal residents of Cuyahoga County. I feel like I must be missing something because the whole idea that the county can give them $1B+ for this is so outlandish. What do they know that we don't that makes them think they can pull this off when the vast majority of people seem to agree the taxpayers should not contribute to it. I haven't seen any evidence that regular citizens are calling on Ronanye or county council to cough up the dough for this.

Jimmy huddles with the local homeless population for draft advice, not certain if he’s conferred about the stadium situation with them. TBD

Brook Park mayor shares infrastructure plans. https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/12/11/brook-park-mayor-shares-infrastructure-security-plans-new-browns-dome-stadium/

39 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Brook Park mayor shares infrastructure plans. https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/12/11/brook-park-mayor-shares-infrastructure-security-plans-new-browns-dome-stadium/

That seems to be a pretty generous title for the article. Seemed to be a lot of "we still haven't figured out a lot of stuff."

 

I know Haslem and the Browns haven't exactly been bastions of patience or good planning or sound business decisions or listening to experts or.... It's honestly amazing how badly this has gone for them. Aside from a few useful idiots at places like 92.3 and The Plain Dealer, the reaction to this seems to largely be to tell Jimmy where he can stick his dome.

 

Part of me wonders if this really is a bid for them to try and move the team, since they clearly "tried," but given the rumors I've heard for quite a while that he isn't well liked in NFL league circles plus the headache it brought to the league the last time they let someone steal the Browns away makes me think that isn't likely either.

"With that said, he did say some of those highway on and off ramps may have to be expanded to avoid a massive traffic jam.

“There will be some changes. Would they be major changes? I wouldn’t call them major changes,” says Mayor Orcutt.

Highway ramp rebuilds seem pretty significant to me, but what do I know. Maybe Orcutt is still a little foggy headed from those meetings with the Browns around 130th/Brookpark Rd.

10 minutes ago, CLEeng said:

That seems to be a pretty generous title for the article. Seemed to be a lot of "we still haven't figured out a lot of stuff."

 

I know Haslem and the Browns haven't exactly been bastions of patience or good planning or sound business decisions or listening to experts or.... It's honestly amazing how badly this has gone for them. Aside from a few useful idiots at places like 92.3 and The Plain Dealer, the reaction to this seems to largely be to tell Jimmy where he can stick his dome.

 

Part of me wonders if this really is a bid for them to try and move the team, since they clearly "tried," but given the rumors I've heard for quite a while that he isn't well liked in NFL league circles plus the headache it brought to the league the last time they let someone steal the Browns away makes me think that isn't likely either.

 

What part of the plan aren't you getting?  They know they have some nice highways, and they know they might need to expand some ramps or something.  And they are gonna need some traffic cops.  And financing- you bet they're gonna need some!

1 hour ago, simplythis said:

Brook Park mayor shares infrastructure plans. https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/12/11/brook-park-mayor-shares-infrastructure-security-plans-new-browns-dome-stadium/

Who is this mayor - does not come off well in this story.  No wonder Jimmy loves BP.

 

The Mayor shared that safety will be at the top of the list when building this massive complex. “The Cleveland Browns will still have that obligation to the stadium, the parking lot area. What we call inside the curb. Then, Brook Park will have our obligation with traffic control,” says Mayor Orcutt.