it also sounds like that haslams are SOL if they want the state money up front.  100% of this fund would not go to one stadium.

And Cincinnati probably gets dibs on initial funds. 

 

Whatever scraps Jimmy would get are negligible. But at least DeWine can tell his voters and MAGA daddies he tried.

 

And/or it's part of Jimmy's "I tried and now we have to leave" 2025 gaslighting campaign,starting this Fall.

I have some immediate thoughts. Even if the tax revenues reach their maximum projections, how many mouths do we have to feed? Seven major pro teams, at least three triple A baseball teams. No idea about soccer, minor league hockey etc. I see youth sports are included. Are college stadiums eligible for this funding?

 

Does it only include new builds or renovations?

Who is responsible for annual maintenance?

Does this include surrounding infrastructure to venues such as highways etc?

Will any gambling operators cash out of the state because the tax revenue makes it unfeasible for them to operate?

 

Maybe I've skimmed the finer details but it seems vague, maybe deliberately so.

 

 

Here's a thought. If Jimmy can't twist the arms of the public sufficient enough to build a multibillion dollar project in BP l think he should build a much cheaper version elsewhere. If l'm not mistaken there's a plot of land on the lakefront that has an old, out of date stadium on it that he could use for a new and cheaper version of a football facility. 

 

Build it there and then somebody could connect it to downtown by creating some type of bridge. Reconfigure the highway down there into a boulevard type thing. Why, you could even add a bunch of housing and some bars/restaurants. Some of them could even have a view of the water. People like water views. 

 

I don't know...it's just a thought.

I think the revenue projections are potentially a tad optimistic. Operators might squeeze their payout odds a bit more to make up for the additional tax which then potentially drives people to offshore books or out of state.

Don't forget that doubling the tax on gaming companies is no sure thing, either. You can bet that the industry will fight a hike like that and they probably have more money than Jimmy, cumulatively. 

1 hour ago, snakebite said:

I think the revenue projections are potentially a tad optimistic. Operators might squeeze their payout odds a bit more to make up for the additional tax which then potentially drives people to offshore books or out of state.

Ya it seems they are just forecasting a continuous growth for marijuana sales even with potential 50-100% tax increases. Quite a few people I know who buy it still just drive to Michigan a few times a year since it is already much cheaper. Adding more taxes may make more people do that. 

2 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:

Ya it seems they are just forecasting a continuous growth for marijuana sales even with potential 50-100% tax increases. Quite a few people I know who buy it still just drive to Michigan a few times a year since it is already much cheaper. Adding more taxes may make more people do that. 

Wait, the amount it cost in gas doesn't make that trip more expensive than just buying here? Your talking an extra $50-100 for gas. 

9 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Wait, the amount it cost in gas doesn't make that trip more expensive than just buying here? Your talking an extra $50-100 for gas. 

Eh, in an old pickup maybe. Paying $50 for gas for roundtrip from Cleveland to Detroit would require an mpg of around 20. 

 

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Regardless, it is looking increasingly like the Haslams won't get the taxpayer money they want, at least up front. So it comes back to whether or not they're willing to put up more of the money themselves for a dome in Brook Park. So far, they've seemed completely unwilling to address that thought, at least publicly. 

So are the Browns planning something like this…

 

 

Is DeWine’s stadium tax idea a good bet?
By Ken Prendergast / February 5, 2025

 

Everything from helping to finance a new stadium for the Cleveland Browns to funding sports programs for low-income families could be supported by a new sports facility and education fund sought by Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine in his proposed state budget. But the proposed fund doesn’t pick a stadium site for the Browns, which appears to give Downtown Cleveland site backers more of a win than it does for the owners of the pro football team.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/05/is-dewines-stadium-tax-idea-a-good-bet/

I don't know much about sports betting or traditional gambling, but it's such a seedy and sad industry. I went to a casino last weekend and saw a bunch of tired, seemingly lowish income, and generally old people playing slots, cards, and watching games. There's only one Vegas; the rest is just degrees of s**t.

 

I don't think Ohio, or most regions frankly, can count on sports gambling, really gambling in general, as being some constant revenue incubator long term. And would State be responible for paying for stadium boondoggles with other funds if the tax moneys fell beneath projections?

 

Also, doubling taxes isn't exactly encouraging for an increasingly bloated and desperate market. You're better off with a bookie or offshore apps at some point.

8 hours ago, TBideon said:

I don't think Ohio, or most regions frankly, can count on sports gambling, really gambling in general, as being some constant revenue incubator long term. And would State be responible for paying for stadium boondoggles with other funds if the tax moneys fell beneath projections?

EDIT: I'm going to leave the original post below, but I goofed on the size of the amount.  My main point is that gambling brought in a huge sum of money last year, which was an increase from the year before.  Gambling is big business.

Original Post:

Legal gambling in Ohio brought in more than $9 billion last year, up about $2 billion from the year before.  I'm personally very uncomfortable with gambling, but there's no denying that it is a big revenue generator.  Before the casino, the non-profit I work for did a Casino Night-themed fundraiser and it was the most successful fundraiser we'd ever had up to that point.  So, this seems like it would be a good source of funds for the foreseeable future.  Whether it's the best way to do so, as opposed to taxing large businesses and individuals, is a very different question.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by Chris314
I want to clarify that I goofed on the amount I quoted by misstating a figure from an NPR story

6 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Is DeWine’s stadium tax idea a good bet?
By Ken Prendergast / February 5, 2025

 

Everything from helping to finance a new stadium for the Cleveland Browns to funding sports programs for low-income families could be supported by a new sports facility and education fund sought by Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine in his proposed state budget. But the proposed fund doesn’t pick a stadium site for the Browns, which appears to give Downtown Cleveland site backers more of a win than it does for the owners of the pro football team.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/05/is-dewines-stadium-tax-idea-a-good-bet/

“These sports gaming (companies) are extremely aggressive…. They’re in your face all the time,” DeWine told the Ohio Capital-Journal. “They’re getting Ohioans to lose massive amounts of money every year, and it seems to me only just and fair that some of the stadiums be paid for by them or a portion of it.”

 

 

I absolutely love that he lists a few of the problems sports gambling is causing. Then instead of talking about doing anything to fix or minimize those problems it's causing, he thinks "I can just get extra money from them to benefit a few billionaires"

Edited February 5Feb 5 by PlanCleveland
Typo

2 hours ago, Chris314 said:

 

Legal gambling in Ohio brought in more than $9 billion last year, up about $2 billion from the year before.  I'm personally very uncomfortable with gambling, but there's no denying that it is a big revenue generator.  

Hi @Chris314  Where did you get these figures?   If Ohio received $117M revenue in 2023 at 10% tax rate, that means revenue was more on the line of $1B in 2023, correct?     

I think if you start with the idea that public dollars to the tune of billions for stadiums is a terrible idea and work backwards to no public funding, somewhere between those positions you come to a forced compromise. Which just might be this one. I think it does provide probably the best answer.

 

In general l'm opposed to gambling because it's a suckers bet BUT, to each their own. I'm no prude. If people want to lose their a** that's on them. So, l think the best way to turn lemons into lemonaide is to tax it heavily and use the money to offset (partially or completely) public dollars used for stadiums which is also another rip off.

 

If those dollars are the end of public funding here then l think that puts Jimmy in a difficult spot. If he wants his dome in BP he's going to have to use a lot more of his own money. But, if he stays downtown that opens up city/county dollars as well. Those additional dollars may be just the ticket to get him to change his mind. Personally, l would be onboard with that decision. Even though l don't like using public dollars on stadiums l also think those facilities DO add to the fabric of downtown. So if that's the answer count me (and my wallet) in. If it's BP, l'm still out.

 

 

New page, new comment from me that the timelines for a small/med renovation on the current stadium aging out, along with closing Burke then building a new one there all line up at around 7-10 years.

 

Let the Haslams build their Football City there.

2 hours ago, DO_Summers said:

Hi @Chris314  Where did you get these figures?   If Ohio received $117M revenue in 2023 at 10% tax rate, that means revenue was more on the line of $1B in 2023, correct?     

Sorry, I misstated.  The number was discussed on an NPR story about DeWine's budget.  I think they were speaking about how much Ohioans had gambled, which assuming people won many of those bets and got money back, well, yada yada yada.  Anyway, I will gladly admit I goofed on the size of the number.  However, the general point stands that gambling is a big business that is getting bigger.  But yeah, my bad, sorry.  

12 hours ago, TBideon said:

I don't know much about sports betting or traditional gambling, but it's such a seedy and sad industry. I went to a casino last weekend and saw a bunch of tired, seemingly lowish income, and generally old people playing slots, cards, and watching games. There's only one Vegas; the rest is just degrees of s**t.

 

I don't think Ohio, or most regions frankly, can count on sports gambling, really gambling in general, as being some constant revenue incubator long term. And would State be responible for paying for stadium boondoggles with other funds if the tax moneys fell beneath projections?

 

Also, doubling taxes isn't exactly encouraging for an increasingly bloated and desperate market. You're better off with a bookie or offshore apps at some point.

I dunno. My brother has become a sports gambling addict since it’s been legalized, and it’s only escalated. Def a growth industry. And in the Trump era, there won’t be guardrails anymore. 

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=2969&GAID=18&SessionID=114&LegID=161208

 

Idea: the Be Responsible Or We're Notpayingforyourstupidsuburban Stadium Law. 

 

Stipulations to public funding include that the team must not be an absolute embarrassment. 

If our tax dollars will be redirected and given to the owners of the Cleveland Browns, which entities that currently enjoy the benefit of casino generated taxes will stop receiving this same money?

 

The change up means Ohio is trading out something that had been a clear priority, and making NFL owners the new priority. - Why?

Edited February 7Feb 7 by ExPatClevGuy

1 hour ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

If our tax dollars will be redirected and given to the owners of the Cleveland Browns, which entities that currently enjoy the benefit of casino generated taxes will stop receiving this same money?

 

The change up means Ohio is trading out something that had been a clear priority, and making NFL owners the new priority. - Why?

DeWine proposed doubling the tax on gambling companies, which theoretically increases the available dollars, so maybe nothing that gets money now will be shortchanged.

 

But this is DeWine's proposal, and the legislature doesn't often follow DeWine's budget proposals that closely.  There already seems to be a lot of skepticism about increasing any taxes.

While Trump's idea to remove tax loopholes for billionaire sports team owners may not happen, the timing of the announcement today in the middle Jimmy's non-stop BP Dome or Bust PR campaign is sweet.

 

https://frontofficesports.com/trump-tax-plan-sports-owners/

 

13 hours ago, Willo said:

While Trump's idea to remove tax loopholes for billionaire sports team owners may not happen, the timing of the announcement today in the middle Jimmy's non-stop BP Dome or Bust PR campaign is sweet.

 

https://frontofficesports.com/trump-tax-plan-sports-owners/

 

Clearly payback for when the owner boys club prevented him from buying the Buffalo Bills.  

Requirements for host city to host a super bowl. Even if Jimmy builds it we don't have the infrastructure.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/superbowl/cleveland-host-super-bowl-brook-park-northeast-ohio-infrastructure/95-b5d53531-9919-4891-bf41-cfe21a0313f2

6 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Requirements for host city to host a super bowl. Even if Jimmy builds it we don't have the infrastructure.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/superbowl/cleveland-host-super-bowl-brook-park-northeast-ohio-infrastructure/95-b5d53531-9919-4891-bf41-cfe21a0313f2

It doesn't matter.  This whole Super Bowl "justification" for building this thing is the most ridiculous aspect of this whole fiasco as pointed out by multiple posters.  If this is one of Jimmy's go to arguments than he is in real trouble.

Edited February 9Feb 9 by Htsguy

On 2/5/2025 at 5:23 PM, cadmen said:

I think if you start with the idea that public dollars to the tune of billions for stadiums is a terrible idea and work backwards to no public funding, somewhere between those positions you come to a forced compromise. Which just might be this one. I think it does provide probably the best answer.

 

In general l'm opposed to gambling because it's a suckers bet BUT, to each their own. I'm no prude. If people want to lose their a** that's on them. So, l think the best way to turn lemons into lemonaide is to tax it heavily and use the money to offset (partially or completely) public dollars used for stadiums which is also another rip off.

 

If those dollars are the end of public funding here then l think that puts Jimmy in a difficult spot. If he wants his dome in BP he's going to have to use a lot more of his own money. But, if he stays downtown that opens up city/county dollars as well. Those additional dollars may be just the ticket to get him to change his mind. Personally, l would be onboard with that decision. Even though l don't like using public dollars on stadiums l also think those facilities DO add to the fabric of downtown. So if that's the answer count me (and my wallet) in. If it's BP, l'm still out.

 

 

Well said. This is exactly how I feel as well. 
 

 

Let’s be honest with the Super Bowl tonight. -

 

Traveling to a warm destination and partying outside looks great in the shots from this weekend. 
 

Even if the league bent the “rules” Cleveland is a tough sell tonight. Brook Park, tho, is absurd. The logistics of such an event would be terrible. 
 

 

Edited February 10Feb 10 by ITakeTheRapid

Is it possible to build a stadium at BKL while the airport remains open? If we use Ford Field as an example it can be done. Ford Field is approximately 800x900 feet on 16 acres in Detroit. It is a fixed roof stadium built in the city and not surrounded by a sea of parking lots. But most importantly it is just 126 ft in height. I have placed it at the western edge of BKL displacing the terminal and a couple of hangers. These could be replaced further down N Marginal at not alot of cost. The Rock Hall just 1200 ft from BKL is 162 ft in height which satisfies  the FAA height parameters. FF was opened in 2002 at a cost of 500m which in 2024 numbers is 1.1m. Let's round up to 1.5m for construction to start in 2026/27.  The muni parking lots would be used exclusively for the stadium on event days. And Jimmy World could be built on the lakefront along with the land bridge. Let's do this!

If ramming into a small area, I'd rather see this on the Post Office site, though I'm sure the Postal unions would fight any move to Brookpark further delaying such a swap. 

I've posted before about how Cleveland just doesnt have the hotels for a 50-70k person convention, much less an event like the Super Bowl. There's only 5000 downtown rooms, whereas a city like Indy has 9000. Cleveland and Indy both have around 23k rooms in their metro areas. New Orleans has 26k rooms downtown alone, and 41k in the metro area.

 

A domed stadium in Brook Park would need at least 3-4 large hotels with plenty of convention space and conference rooms built in the Football city just to provide for the teams and all support staff required for such an event. They would definitely need better connections to the Football City from the airport and brook park rapid stops. (Not to mention the doubts we all have on how active/profitable this area would even be outside of football games and the few events it steals from downtown)

 

The odds for getting a Super Bowl would increase a tiny, tiny bit with a domed stadium in the current location, or Burke land. My previous post in here was that if we get another name brand hotel or two downtown, move the stadium and Football City to Burke (figure 3-5 years to shut Burke down and prep the land, 3 years to build the stadium and another hotel or two there), and then replace the old stadium with one of those sprawling mega-resorts with its own set of attractions like a Gaylord Hotel on the lake, connected to the convention center via the land bridge, and upgrade the waterfront line... then we'd at least *technically* be able to host a Super Bowl. This would also let us start getting those 50k-70k person conferences from cities like Indy, especially if the Hopkins upgrades happen. 

 

But like someone replied to me last time, we shouldnt base our development plans on getting a Super Bowl. I'm just pointing out what it would take, not saying this is what we need to do. If anyone pitches any development and a key point is "and then we will host a Super Bowl", it should be immediately discounted. LA, NOLA, and Miami already host it a ton, and now throw in Vegas as a new frequent host, and the amount of other brand new stadiums still fighting to get one as soon as they can... It will be virtually impossible to get a Super Bowl to a cold climate city like this, and I think the amount we would need to build to get one would be serious overkill, bordering on negligent, considering how much stuff would become vacant soon after.

7 minutes ago, daybreaker said:

The odds for getting a Super Bowl would increase a tiny, tiny bit with a domed stadium in the current location, or Burke land. My previous post in here was that if we get another name brand hotel or two downtown, move the stadium and Football City to Burke (figure 3-5 years to shut Burke down and prep the land, 3 years to build the stadium and another hotel or two there), and then replace the old stadium with one of those sprawling mega-resorts with its own set of attractions like a Gaylord Hotel on the lake, connected to the convention center via the land bridge, and upgrade the waterfront line... then we'd at least *technically* be able to host a Super Bowl. This would also let us start getting those 50k-70k person conferences from cities like Indy, especially if the Hopkins upgrades happen. 

Burke would actually be an asset for the Super Bowl as it has much more flexibility and capacity for p-jet parking than Hopkins.   For the larger events in town, they close down the secondary runway 6R/24L and turn that into additional parking.   I've seen it full before during the Rock Hall inductions and other big weekends (World Series, etc) 

3 hours ago, daybreaker said:

I've posted before about how Cleveland just doesnt have the hotels for a 50-70k person convention, much less an event like the Super Bowl. There's only 5000 downtown rooms, whereas a city like Indy has 9000. Cleveland and Indy both have around 23k rooms in their metro areas. New Orleans has 26k rooms downtown alone, and 41k in the metro area.

 

A domed stadium in Brook Park would need at least 3-4 large hotels with plenty of convention space and conference rooms built in the Football city just to provide for the teams and all support staff required for such an event. They would definitely need better connections to the Football City from the airport and brook park rapid stops. (Not to mention the doubts we all have on how active/profitable this area would even be outside of football games and the few events it steals from downtown)

 

The odds for getting a Super Bowl would increase a tiny, tiny bit with a domed stadium in the current location, or Burke land. My previous post in here was that if we get another name brand hotel or two downtown, move the stadium and Football City to Burke (figure 3-5 years to shut Burke down and prep the land, 3 years to build the stadium and another hotel or two there), and then replace the old stadium with one of those sprawling mega-resorts with its own set of attractions like a Gaylord Hotel on the lake, connected to the convention center via the land bridge, and upgrade the waterfront line... then we'd at least *technically* be able to host a Super Bowl. This would also let us start getting those 50k-70k person conferences from cities like Indy, especially if the Hopkins upgrades happen. 

 

But like someone replied to me last time, we shouldnt base our development plans on getting a Super Bowl. I'm just pointing out what it would take, not saying this is what we need to do. If anyone pitches any development and a key point is "and then we will host a Super Bowl", it should be immediately discounted. LA, NOLA, and Miami already host it a ton, and now throw in Vegas as a new frequent host, and the amount of other brand new stadiums still fighting to get one as soon as they can... It will be virtually impossible to get a Super Bowl to a cold climate city like this, and I think the amount we would need to build to get one would be serious overkill, bordering on negligent, considering how much stuff would become vacant soon after.

So what your saying is no Super Bowl but we are built for a Men's Final Four. 

I think thats the exact type of thing we could get if the Browns leave the current stadium and we move forward with the current land bridge + lakefront redevelopment plans, adding a large hotel and some retail where the stadium was.

Edited February 10Feb 10 by daybreaker

If the NFL keeps expanding the regular season and playoffs, future Super Bowls might be in March or April, when the weather in Cleveland is a little more tolerable.  🙂

2 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

If the NFL keeps expanding the regular season and playoffs, future Super Bowls might be in March or April, when the weather in Cleveland is a little more tolerable.  🙂

That will take way longer than whatever dome Jimmy builds is still in its "useable lifespan."  

And one more thing working against us getting a Super Bowl even if we had a new dome. I don't know how many on here are Browns fans or just development fans but for those who are not football fans l'll add this to the equation. Apparently Jimmy pi**ed alot of owners off with his guaranteed $270 million contract for Watson. He would need those same owners to back a Super Bowl in Cleveland which is, at best, a long shot. Nothing says "No" like some pi**ed off owners.

 

 

29 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

If the NFL keeps expanding the regular season and playoffs, future Super Bowls might be in March or April, when the weather in Cleveland is a little more tolerable.  🙂

I dunno.  I seem to remember some baseball Opening Day games having to deal with snow in years past.  Might not be late enough.

;)

31 minutes ago, cadmen said:

And one more thing working against us getting a Super Bowl even if we had a new dome. I don't know how many on here are Browns fans or just development fans but for those who are not football fans l'll add this to the equation. Apparently Jimmy pi**ed alot of owners off with his guaranteed $270 million contract for Watson. He would need those same owners to back a Super Bowl in Cleveland which is, at best, a long shot. Nothing says "No" like some pi**ed off owners.

 

 

 

This may also be one of the best things going for Cleveland in terms of stopping the Haslam's from moving the team out of state, potentially forcing them to sell instead if no solutions can be found. 3/4 of owners need to approve a relocation too.

Edited February 10Feb 10 by daybreaker

After the Jacksonville debacle, the NFL was pretty adamant they'd never go through that nightmare again. The lack of hotel rooms is a deal-breaker in all cities. Full stop.

 

That aside, Detroit had two Superbowls, Minnesota two, Indianapolis one, New Jersey one. The remaning 46 Superbowls have been in warm cities. Does anyone expect Brookpark to be number 7 for cold? 

 

Superbowl weekend starts on Monday and goes into hyperdrive Thursdays, which include indoor and outdoor venues. Miami was in the 70s last Thursday, NOLA 70s, Tampa upper 60s-70s, LA and San Diego upper 50s, 

 

Cleveland was in the upper 20s.

 

Outdoor glitz is part of Superbowl week, and that's just not an option in Brookpark/Cleveland. Or any cold city 88% of the time. 

 

Who knows what will end up happening with this Brookpark stadium (fiction), but logically it is highly unlikely it'll host a Superbowl in our lifetimes.

 

Edited February 10Feb 10 by TBideon

I can't imagine anyone wanting to come to a Super Bowl in Cleveland in February.

I think the worries about Cleveland's winter climate are overblown.

 

If the NFL decides to have the game in Cleveland, it will sell out and have all the associated hoopla every other city that hosts it has.

 

The NBA all star weekend is the most similar event and we've hosted three times. The venue is indoors yes, but you must go outdoors for everything else the city has to offer. Cleveland always gets high marks when that event is hosted here. (Held Mid-February every year.)

 

Cleveland needs an enclosed football stadium for sure, that should be a guarantee however and wherever a new publically funded stadium is built.

 

What we really need is that added hotel capacity to go along with our new indoor stadium and the city's other assets to pull a Superbowl and any other large event.

Edited February 11Feb 11 by Mov2Ohio

46 of 52 Superbowls have been in warm climate regions; I would argue weather is very much a deciding factor.

 

I can't speak on the NBA All Star game dynamics, just that the Superbowl is in a league of its own, and weeklong outdoor events/ attractions are a major part of the festivities.

 

Taking city booster pride out, would you rather go to a February Superbowl in Cleveland or Vegas/Miami/LA/etc

 

I don’t think the NFL will be gifting anymore Super Bowls to cold weather cities for new stadiums. I think they are going to focus on a mostly set rotation of  about 8-10 cities. I’m sure Nashville is going to get one tho.

I also think it’s unlikely we get a Super Bowl. The lack of hotel rooms especially super high end to me is the ultimate dealbreaker. We are not built to host stuff like that and we don’t have to feel bad about it. Las Vegas, for example, was built for that express purpose. Plenty of people love visiting but they don’t want to live there. 
 

I personally think this Brook Park stadium is dead unless the Haslams want to spend more of their own money. But I doubt they do. 

First Look at new Dawg Pound https://fox8.com/news/i-team/inside-look-at-plans-for-new-dawg-pound-in-brook-park-dome/ 

On 2/5/2025 at 4:57 PM, DO_Summers said:

 

i threw out january as an initial outlier, but for all the rest fyi it averages to $66M/mo. for the state to play with.

 

 

 

Edited February 11Feb 11 by mrnyc

3 hours ago, TBideon said:

46 of 52 Superbowls have been in warm climate regions; I would argue weather is very much a deciding factor

 

And in the non warm climates, money certainly was.  New York of course had 2 teams and their influence, and Detroit is the home of auto manufacturing, one of the biggest advertisers and sponsors with the NFL.   Indy is the NCAA--basically the NFL minor league.   Minnesota?  Not sure about that one but I'm sure the owner had some pull. 

 

 

1 hour ago, simplythis said:

First Look at new Dawg Pound https://fox8.com/news/i-team/inside-look-at-plans-for-new-dawg-pound-in-brook-park-dome/ 

“The Dawg Pound is known world-wide”. I’m sorry, but it totally isn’t. 

3 hours ago, TBideon said:

46 of 52 Superbowls have been in warm climate regions; I would argue weather is very much a deciding factor.

 

I can't speak on the NBA All Star game dynamics, just that the Superbowl is in a league of its own, and weeklong outdoor events/ attractions are a major part of the festivities.

 

Taking city booster pride out, would you rather go to a February Superbowl in Cleveland or Vegas/Miami/LA/etc

 

Booster pride was never in it. I was speaking logically. And if the NFL doled out the event like it does the draft or how the NBA and MLB assign their respective all star games, then cities that meet the requirement should be in the running to host.

 

The requirements are a certain number of hotel rooms and an indoor stadium if in a cold weather climate, or be a city with a stadium with a mild winter.

 

Miami had superbowls rained out and is/was a logistics nightmare. There's downsides to some of the cities you mentioned, let's not act like their perfect.

 

The city could get its act together to be its most presentable to the multitudes that would come to an even like the Superbowl. Look at how Atlanta pulled it together for the Olympics 30 years ago. The promise of one could jumpstart stadium, hotel and airport construction to an extent. I'd be happy that we would then have all that infrastructure to host more large events or simultaneous mid sized events to compete with Indy and Cbus and every other city that we compete against for these events.