https://fox8.com/news/new-arguments-filed-to-block-browns-move-to-brook-park/

Regarding the veto over

4 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Browns may not score enough votes for stadium win
By Ken Prendergast / April 1, 2025

 

Two extra years on the stadium’s current lease could have offered at least a cushion. The lack of that plus a potential gubernatorial veto and a lack of legislative override votes may be the biggest threats to realizing a $3.6 billion sports-entertainment district planned in the Cleveland suburb of Brook Park.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/01/browns-may-not-score-enough-votes-for-stadium-win/

 

There are 34 Democrats in the House and 65 Republicans.  It takes 3/5ths to override a veto.  60 votes.  There aren't enough Democrats in the House defeat a veto override.

 

But there may be 6 actual conservative Republicans that would support the veto.

I don’t have a lot of confidence Dewine has it in him to veto the bill. I think we have one of the worst state governments in America.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/01/ohio-house-cleveland-browns-stadium-brook-park-haslams/82744394007/

 

Again another downstate (R) from a town of 4,000 south of Columbus dictating our Cleveland policy:  

 

"We're going to have local Super Bowls played in the stadium − hopefully an Ohio team is playing in one of them," Rep. Brian Stewart, R-Ashville, said. "This is going to be a destination center. I really do think when the ribbon is cut and people walk in the door, I think people are going to be happy that this is in Ohio."

 

At least he is not slick enough to hide the true and ever changing estimate of the total cost of the 30 year bond issuance: 

 

"...The state would repay its bond with tax revenue generated by the development. Including interest, Stewart said the bond would cost around $1 billion over its 30-year life."

 

Please make this taxation without representation stop.

7 minutes ago, coneflower said:

I don’t have a lot of confidence Dewine has it in him to veto the bill. I think we have one of the worst state governments in America.

This is my fear as well. In fact, I have absolutely zero confidence.

On 2/9/2025 at 11:01 PM, freethink said:

Is it possible to build a stadium at BKL while the airport remains open? If we use Ford Field as an example it can be done. Ford Field is approximately 800x900 feet on 16 acres in Detroit. It is a fixed roof stadium built in the city and not surrounded by a sea of parking lots. But most importantly it is just 126 ft in height. I have placed it at the western edge of BKL displacing the terminal and a couple of hangers. These could be replaced further down N Marginal at not alot of cost. The Rock Hall just 1200 ft from BKL is 162 ft in height which satisfies  the FAA height parameters. FF was opened in 2002 at a cost of 500m which in 2024 numbers is 1.1m. Let's round up to 1.5m for construction to start in 2026/27.  The muni parking lots would be used exclusively for the stadium on event days. And Jimmy World could be built on the lakefront along with the land bridge. Let's do this!

Just wanted to follow up on a post of a couple months ago. My thought was I believe that construction could take place at BKL while the airport remained open.  This could mean construction could begin at BKL within the next two years. In the previous post I quoted the FAA rules regarding construction at an airport and within the flight path. I can only point to the LGA 5 billion dollar transformation of LaGuardia Airport. Keep in mind LGA handles 500 passenger planes a day and millions of customers. BKL handles like 2% of that traffic with small and corporate planes,  so if construction can take place there why not here?  LGA is similar in size and layout of the BKL field.  The main runway at LGA and BKL is similar in distance to the construction zone. Meaning the space between the runway and construction at BKL and LGA is about 1200 ft.  And other terminals at other airports under construction is similar. 

To me this should be Plan B and Huntington would be Plan C. And now that we are regrettably a RED state and rules no longer apply the city/county should be on the phone to Moreno/Vance/Husted and ask them to make this happen with the current FAA. Long term the airport could be closed in 5 years or ten years, But it shouldn't stand in the way of the construction of the Dome at BKL.

Edited April 2Apr 2 by freethink
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8 hours ago, freethink said:

Just wanted to follow up on a post of a couple months ago. My thought was I believe that construction could take place at BKL while the airport remained open.  This could mean construction could begin at BKL within the next two years. In the previous post I quoted the FAA rules regarding construction at an airport and within the flight path. I can only point to the LGA 5 billion dollar transformation of LaGuardia Airport. Keep in mind LGA handles 500 passenger planes a day and millions of customers. BKL handles like 2% of that traffic with small and corporate planes,  so if construction can take place there why not here?  LGA is similar in size and layout of the BKL field.  The main runway at LGA and BKL is similar in distance to the construction zone. Meaning the space between the runway and construction at BKL and LGA is about 1200 ft.  And other terminals at other airports under construction is similar. 

To me this should be Plan B and Huntington would be Plan C. And now that we are regrettably a RED state and rules no longer apply the city/county should be on the phone to Moreno/Vance/Husted and ask them to make this happen with the current FAA. Long term the airport could be closed in 5 years or ten years, But it shouldn't stand in the way of the construction of the Dome at BKL.

Is a great idea to insert a Plan C to counter the HSG misinformation naysayers. The City/County's Vocon dome rendering (see KJP's prior stories) would also work in your layout - so it a very reasonable short-term alternate approach.

 

In the interim, Cleveland/Cuyahoga County and the HSG interns should be lobbying Moreno and Vance (Jimmy/Dee hosted him at least once), and the US House/Senate Transportation committees, to get it shut down ASAP given the rare immediate opportunities in this wild DOGE environment of cost-cutting and disposing of excess Federal capacity (CLE has at least 4 area FAA-certified reliever airports - 5 with Burke). 

 

If only Jimmy/Dee had lobbied DC as aggressively and called in their political donation chits on closing Burke ASAP (#1 in donations to R party among all NFL owners) instead of wining and dining the thirsty and gullible downstate Ohio Rs - and had they not also taken the unfortunate hostile posture against Cleveland and Cuyahoga County - they may have found themselves sitting pretty right now to activate the western part of Burke for a Dome and adjacent fantasy land.

 

It's not too late. Bibb and Ronayne need to ramp up their Burke efforts as who knows how long this generational radical change policy window will remain open in DC before political conditions return to the typical long-term incremental or no change slog.  Add it to potential City/County efforts in asking the GSA to convey title to the Federal building ASAP free and clear for local public use.

Edited April 2Apr 2 by Willo

12 hours ago, Willo said:

 

"We're going to have local Super Bowls played in the stadium − hopefully an Ohio team is playing in one of them," Rep. Brian Stewart, R-Ashville, said. "This is going to be a destination center. I really do think when the ribbon is cut and people walk in the door, I think people are going to be happy that this is in Ohio."

 

I think they misquoted him, listening on ideastream this morning he said multiple superbowls. Like wtf planet is this guy on, I doubt we get one - also host cities rarely make out in SB's, it's a lot of up front cost and local resources being drained.

2 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

I think they misquoted him, listening on ideastream this morning he said multiple superbowls. Like wtf planet is this guy on, I doubt we get one - also host cities rarely make out in SB's, it's a lot of up front cost and local resources being drained.

I think the "Local Super Bowls" he's referring to are just whenever the Browns win a game. That, or just a healthy salad with some quinoa or something 😆

Edited April 2Apr 2 by Geowizical

15 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

I think they misquoted him, listening on ideastream this morning he said multiple superbowls. Like wtf planet is this guy on, I doubt we get one - also host cities rarely make out in SB's, it's a lot of up front cost and local resources being drained.

That is why I don't care to host one. Most people don't realize how much of a raw deal cities get when they host one, they just see a ton of people and assume a region booms from it. To be honest it is similar to the Olympics on a smaller scale. 

Ignoring that Cleveland's odds of hosting a single super bowl, much less multiple, are pretty slim even with a new stadium, if your city is not set up to host 100k+ people for an event already, then you're not making back what you spend on preparation.

 

The ONE thing I will say in favor of it, is that it is a rare opportunity to showcase the entire city to the largest American viewing audience. All eyes are on Cleveland for an entire week. If you have the right type of events and parties and everyone thinks its an amazing time, that does more benefit in the long run. But I absolutely would not spend billions on a new stadium just assuming you're getting a super bowl or two. 

 

Another point in favor of Burke - look at that marina in the masterplan rendering! Dont rich people love having private, fancy marinas for their yachts? Imagine Shahid Kahn being able to park his yacht right outside the stadium if we get a Super Bowl. Come on, Haslams! 

Edited April 2Apr 2 by daybreaker

They will get one Big 10 championship every 10-15 years if they're lucky nevermind a Superbowl. Maybe Ohio State plays a game there once a decade or something too or the Bills play a home game once in a while because of bad snow in Buffalo. A couple of concerts a year. It'll barely do anymore events than the current place, and non football events such as conferences, parties weddings etc in the suites will drop massively because of the s**tty location IMO. 

17 minutes ago, daybreaker said:

The ONE thing I will say in favor of it, is that it is a rare opportunity to showcase the entire city to the largest American viewing audience. All eyes are on Cleveland for an entire week. If you have the right type of events and parties and everyone thinks its an amazing time, that does more benefit in the long run. But I absolutely would not spend billions on a new stadium just assuming you're getting a super bowl or two. 

 

Another point in favor of Burke - look at that marina in the masterplan rendering! Dont rich people love having private, fancy marinas for their yachts? Imagine Shahid Kahn being able to park his yacht right outside the stadium if we get a Super Bowl. Come on, Haslams! 

In February?

Two concerns l have with the political situation in Columbus. First, if the problem is bond money taking away from state funding for education... since when does the state of Ohio care about funding education? These Republicans would support an educational curriculum consisting of the 3 R's like it's 1850 if they could get away with it. They don't suppprt funding much beyond that. Two, l just can't see Dewine vetoing the bond bill if it passes. I doubt he's going out fighting. He may "say" he opposes the bill but actually doing anything more than talk...l don't see him taking a stand for his principles as he's walking out the door. 

 

I would love to be wrong on either of these situations but l'm not expecting a miracle here. I can't remember the last time Columbus threw us a bone.

 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

 

I think they misquoted him, listening on ideastream this morning he said multiple superbowls. Like wtf planet is this guy on, I doubt we get one - also host cities rarely make out in SB's, it's a lot of up front cost and local resources being drained.

Yeah there is no way we get multiple, and chances are slim we ever get one. In the last 20 years only three cold weather cities hosted a SB. So I wouldn't say it'd be impossible to get one, but we will never get multiple.

I know Jimmy in the past indicated that they looked at putting a dome on the current stadium but said it was not possible.  It is possible and a 75 year old stadium in Madrid begs to differ.

 

https://www.l35.com/en/projects/santiago-bernabeu-stadium.html

2 hours ago, freethink said:

I know Jimmy in the past indicated that they looked at putting a dome on the current stadium but said it was not possible.  It is possible and a 75 year old stadium in Madrid begs to differ.

 

https://www.l35.com/en/projects/santiago-bernabeu-stadium.html

Yep - just copy what Real Madrid did with their stadium - done!

also would love to know what local architect Robert Corna thinks since 2023 when he was quoted in this story about his idea of a Megatron dome around the current stadium.  We loved his earlier bold idea in the 80s proposing his Hexatron dome design with a retractable roof built over the railroad tracks and shoreway and connecting to the convention center for year-round use.

https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/sports/articles/this-westlake-architect-thinks-a-dome-stadium-would-be-perfect-for-the-cleveland-browns

12 hours ago, freethink said:

I know Jimmy in the past indicated that they looked at putting a dome on the current stadium but said it was not possible.  It is possible and a 75 year old stadium in Madrid begs to differ.

 

https://www.l35.com/en/projects/santiago-bernabeu-stadium.html

The current stadium is built on landfill and the ground can not support millions of more pounds on it. It's not that simple adding a dome to the current stadium. This was explored years ago and wasn't feasible 

55 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

The current stadium is built on landfill and the ground can not support millions of more pounds on it. It's not that simple adding a dome to the current stadium. This was explored years ago and wasn't feasible 

They would just have to build caissons down to the bedrock.   Not entirely insurmountable.   Any taller structures in Cleveland have already had to do this.   I'm still a fan of this idea and wrapping the outside of the stadium in mixed use buildings which would not only support the roof structure, but would bring activity to the area 365 days a year. 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

They would just have to build caissons down to the bedrock.   Not entirely insurmountable.   Any taller structures in Cleveland have already had to do this.   I'm still a fan of this idea and wrapping the outside of the stadium in mixed use buildings which would not only support the roof structure, but would bring activity to the area 365 days a year. 

 

 

There are other plausible options like yours to carry the support of a roof structure that Haslams did not even consider so as not to undermine their flimsy logic used to escape to gloomy BP. 

 

We think architect Robert Corna shares that view in the Cle Mag article above and appears to be channeling the great Geodesic dome inventor R. Buckminster Fuller (see historic Fuller landmark ASM HQ in Geauga County - https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/925).

 

See - https://www.e-architect.com/articles/buckminster-fuller-the-visionary-of-architecture

 

Also - https://thearchinsider.com/buckminster-fuller-the-man-behind-geodesic-dome/

...Geodesic Dome is one of the famous inventions by Buckminster Fuller. It is a part of the geodesic sphere and the most efficient structural system. Geodesic domes form structural enclosures and roofs of buildings with huge spans thereby helping to achieve column-free spaces. The Geodesic Dome is again the result of Fuller’s inventions. The concept here is based on Buckminster’s ‘More from Less’ ideology. Moreover, utilizing the Geodesic Dome concept, the largest interior spaces can be achieved with the minimum structural area. This in a way also contributes to the saving of resources, costs, and materials.

 

So, digging caissons 50 or 100 feet to bedrock was not the only option then by the inventor of the geodesic dome R. Buckminster Fuller, and also not necessarily the current view of all modern architects/engineers let alone. As Robert Corna implies, there are visionary options available - unfortunately, HSG is not known as visionary.

 

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I'm still a fan of this idea and wrapping the outside of the stadium in mixed use buildings which would not only support the roof structure, but would bring activity to the area 365 days a year. 

 

 

You have my attention. I would love to see how this would look. 

4 hours ago, Cleburger said:

They would just have to build caissons down to the bedrock.   Not entirely insurmountable.   Any taller structures in Cleveland have already had to do this.   I'm still a fan of this idea and wrapping the outside of the stadium in mixed use buildings which would not only support the roof structure, but would bring activity to the area 365 days a year. 

 

 

If I hadn't been to the new Little Ceasars Arena in Detroit, I would have thought this was an unrealistic idea. 

 

https://www.vector-foiltec.com/projects/little-ceasars-arena-transparent/

 

It's one of the coolest sports facilities I've been in. About half of the interior space is just an enclosed area between the seating and buildings surrounding it. There are offices, including a Google office, and a few restaurants and a Bells Brewing location that are open even when there are no games or events. There would be a lot more space to fill if the Browns Stadium did this, but a Rock Hall themed hotel would probably make a killing here year round. Especially if the 20+ acres of parking lots to the north are also developed. 

I do not see a reason for Bibb to cave at all.  Even with State funding Haslam is significantly short on funding without the County and BP support.  The legal aspect of this will push out the construction timeline. No way they start construction without having the legal issues settled.  One more unknown is the economy given the tariffs and it is looking more like we are headed towards a recession. Construction may very well increase beyond $2.4billion. I believe Bibb has played things well.

Edited April 3Apr 3 by newyorker

^That and it's not the best look for the majority of the Republican party to cut funding to public schools and the public library fund, while concurrently granting funding to a billionaire in a rushed job without even doing a traffic study.  That angle would likely get pushed more and more as the vote comes closer.

Edited April 3Apr 3 by Oldmanladyluck

1 hour ago, PlanCleveland said:

If I hadn't been to the new Little Ceasars Arena in Detroit, I would have thought this was an unrealistic idea. 

 

https://www.vector-foiltec.com/projects/little-ceasars-arena-transparent/

 

It's one of the coolest sports facilities I've been in. About half of the interior space is just an enclosed area between the seating and buildings surrounding it. There are offices, including a Google office, and a few restaurants and a Bells Brewing location that are open even when there are no games or events. There would be a lot more space to fill if the Browns Stadium did this, but a Rock Hall themed hotel would probably make a killing here year round. Especially if the 20+ acres of parking lots to the north are also developed. 

Oh my. I never even realized that the building was surrounded by residential. 

4 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Oh my. I never even realized that the building was surrounded by residential. 

Great lightweight material used in Detroit, Vegas and Minneapolis - HSG is not being honest about its application on the lakefront.

https://www.vector-foiltec.com/texlon-etfe/#lightweight

 

Regarding a roof on the current stadium, lets be real here Jimmy knows whats up. I am sure his architect/engineers have told him yes it is possible to put a roof on the current stadium, would you like us to proceed on that design? Um nooo not right now he replied, lets stick to the BP plan. 

With the advancement in structural engineering it allows for lighter, more efficient designs. Cable-net systems, used with modern glass roofs, can distribute loads , reducing the overall weight. Fixed translucent glass roofs are lighter than a traditional retractable steel/concrete roof. Look at the translucent roof on SoFi it is supported by 36 separate columns and is independent of the super-structure itself. And btw BKL is also landfill so why does no one ever question that when talks for a dome stadium are presented there. I am sure Vocon would not have rendered a stadium at BKL with a fixed translucent glass roof on land that it could not be built on. 

With all the new tariffs happening has anyone heard of increased cost projections for the Brook Park site?  

I see the Bengals, whether genuine or not, have officially played the relocation hand. Their situation is even more urgent than the Browns I would say. Lease expires in 2026.

5 hours ago, dave2017 said:

With all the new tariffs happening has anyone heard of increased cost projections for the Brook Park site?  

 

They were just announced yesterday.  Give them a few minutes, maybe?

1 hour ago, CLE2BAL said:

I see the Bengals, whether genuine or not, have officially played the relocation hand. Their situation is even more urgent than the Browns I would say. Lease expires in 2026.

 

Bengals can renew their current lease for 2 additional years 5 times. So they can stay without negotiating anything until 2036.

 

If the Bengals leave I highly doubt it'll be before 2030, and it would probably be closer to 2036

36 minutes ago, X said:

 

They were just announced yesterday.  Give them a few minutes, maybe?

At my job we already know some price increases on our end. Stands to reason the Browns would also be aware of increases on their end as well.

Yeah, but you gotta give them a few minutes, because who knows what companies are gonna bribe Trump for tariff exemptions.

 

We already know how this works. They'll announce "a renewed commitment to manufacturing in America, to make it great again" after quietly funneling a few million to Trump's "re-election campaign", knowing they just have to wait for the mid terms where the potential is high for a Democratic congress to get elected and vote the tariffs out anyways. Then they dont even have to build anything new in America.

 

Just give Donny some money and a headline, and he'll give you anything you want.

 

 

8 hours ago, dave2017 said:

With all the new tariffs happening has anyone heard of increased cost projections for the Brook Park site?  

I doubt it.

 

Their current budget projections are based off preminary skeptical drawings, renderings, so somebody applied some typical cost for things, multiplied it by a quantity, then got the current totals. There's probably few if any hard bids from actual subcontractors, who would be the ones relaying the cost increases by tariffs that have been implemented in the last few weeks and days.

 

They won't know how much that thing will cost until they have design development or construction drawings that can be accurately bid and priced. Needless to say, the cost is going up!

 

 

Not just that, but imagine what the current Browns stadium's new estimates are. I'd bet the $461 million renovation is DOA as well, though the city/county will continue repairs as obligated and needed. The city/county have far more concerns and financial triages than wasting hundreds of millions on new luxury boxes and "gourmet" restaurants.

 

We'll try again in ten years after the lost decade.

What's next for dome plans. https://fox8.com/news/i-team-whats-next-for-browns-dome-plans/

This is wrong. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/haslams-gave-ohio-gop-leaders-120-000-in-months-before-making-600-million-request-for-stadium-funding

5 hours ago, simplythis said:

This is wrong. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/haslams-gave-ohio-gop-leaders-120-000-in-months-before-making-600-million-request-for-stadium-funding

 

Allow me to be the first (apparently) to welcome you to the United States of America.

36 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Allow me to be the first (apparently) to welcome you to the United States of America.

 

While pay-to-play shouldn't be surprising to anyone its still worth calling it out as wrong and maintaining our outrage. 

4 hours ago, Luke_S said:

 

While pay-to-play shouldn't be surprising to anyone its still worth calling it out as wrong and maintaining our outrage. 

It looks like the Browns have at least 5 registered legislative and executive lobbyists who obviously have done their job well by getting the House to cut and paste the HSG draft risky billion $ dollar public bond scheme text into their budget.

 

Recognizing the Browns well-funded lobbying of both the Statehouse and Governor's Office, we can also only assume DeWine is just playing his scripted role in the HSG Kabuki Theater production that will provide him and his family name political cover and plausible deniability when his otherwise loyal House and Senate Rs pass the risky bond issue and it surprisingly overcomes (script) DeWine's opposing sound bite word salad and virtue-signaled veto.

 

Given this seemingly grim reality, we hope Bibb and Ronayne  - in addition to their continued effective public statements to date - have their staffs on-site daily in Columbus until the votes take place and are walking the halls at the Statehouse and Riffe Center across the street

10 minutes ago, Willo said:

It looks like the Browns have at least 5 registered legislative and executive lobbyists who obviously have done their job well by getting the House to cut and paste the HSG draft risky billion $ dollar public bond scheme text into their budget.

 

Recognizing the Browns well-funded lobbying of both the Statehouse and Governor's Office, we can also only assume DeWine is just playing his scripted role in the HSG Kabuki Theater production that will provide him and his family name political cover and plausible deniability when his otherwise loyal House and Senate Rs pass the risky bond issue and it surprisingly overcomes (script) DeWine's opposing sound bite word salad and virtue-signaled veto.

 

Given this seemingly grim reality, we hope Bibb and Ronayne  - in addition to their continued effective public statements to date - have their staffs on-site daily in Columbus until the votes take place and are walking the halls at the Statehouse and Riffe Center across the street

Who are the recipients and ring leaders we can start calling and emailing?   

 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-city-leaders-ohio-ag-united-against-browns-move-brook-park/95-02f75061-6537-4570-9136-606a68e0cb76p

10 hours ago, Luke_S said:

 

While pay-to-play shouldn't be surprising to anyone its still worth calling it out as wrong and maintaining our outrage. 

And Ohio voters will continue turning a blind eye. At the end of the day, you get what you vote for. Democracy requires a responsible and informed voter, and this country, especially Ohio, severely lacks those requirements. 

1 hour ago, simplythis said:

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-city-leaders-ohio-ag-united-against-browns-move-brook-park/95-02f75061-6537-4570-9136-606a68e0cb76p

So good to see Mayor Bibb step to the WKYC mic again and now be joined by AG David Yost in his Dispatch opinion piece:

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2025/04/04/cleveland-browns-statium-600-million-ohio/82808814007/

 

This should help Northeast Ohioans learn more about Yost and his nascent Ohio Governor race bid. 

 

Interestingly Vivek Ramaswamy - who usually loves any chance to pontificate on teevee - has been glaringly silent (to us at least) on this important issue to Northeast Ohio voters and soon likely to all Ohio taxpayers once  awakened by the shocking yet informative analysis AG Yost presented in his Dispatch opinion submission. 

 

We hope Yost, Bibb and Ronayne tag-team the State to make others aware of the harm of a Win-Lose BP relocation and gather support for Win-Win alternatives (Plan B and even Plan C options) to remain in Center City Cleveland.  Time to convince Jimmy and Dee to pause their lobbyists and instead lock arms with Bibb/Ronayne and support Lakefront efforts as they initially proposed (show us the plans!).

 

 

New Ohio bill for public funding. https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/04/08/ohio-bill-looks-ban-public-funding-new-stadiums-if-team-isnt-winning/

On 4/4/2025 at 3:16 AM, dave2017 said:

With all the new tariffs happening has anyone heard of increased cost projections for the Brook Park site?  

 

well, for starters imported structural steel comes from canada, mexico, china, south korea & many others, so those costs are now 25-50% higher.  

 

yes the usa still makes a lot of steel, but these days a lot if it is of the recycled variety.

11 hours ago, simplythis said:

New Ohio bill for public funding. https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/04/08/ohio-bill-looks-ban-public-funding-new-stadiums-if-team-isnt-winning/

We will never get a new stadium at this rate. Based off of how bad we are the state may force our stadium to be demolished. 

Edited April 8Apr 8 by MyPhoneDead

yeah that’s a big kelce no on brook park — 😂

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH34ll-PPiQ/?igsh=MXVpNWFxNXpqcHM1Mg==

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

yeah that’s a big kelce no on brook park — 😂

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH34ll-PPiQ/?igsh=MXVpNWFxNXpqcHM1Mg==

 

Kelce meatheads more in touch with the situation than some elected officials are. Kinda scary actually!

34 minutes ago, snakebite said:

 

Kelce meatheads more in touch with the situation than some elected officials are. Kinda scary actually!

Because being an athlete makes you an automatic "meathead"?