Rumors that the Sundance announcement is in the next couple weeks. Cincinnati is still the favorite, and I have been told it could be a game changer for the city. While I love the prestige of landing a top international film festival, I don't know how much development it will really spur. It is currently attended by 120k over 2 weeks, with most of that happening the initial weekend. While the hope is numbers will jump with relocation, these are not huge festival numbers (compared to taste of Cincinnati, Octoberfest, Macy's music fest, even a Bengals game). 

 

For the sake of debate, why do you want Sundance? For you is it more about the event itself, the notoriety that comes from hosting it, the positive momentum it builds for the city, or something else?

 

Edit: can a mod move this to Cincinnati News. Sorry!!!!

Edited March 6Mar 6 by CincyIntheKnow

I think it would be really great for Cincinnati to land this.

 

A couple things I think it would help beyond just the numbers of attendees, in my opinion:

 

1.) Showcase the city to more people in the movie making business, thus helping the film making ecosystem. If in 5 years it adds 3 more movies per year going forward, that is a big win for jobs and helps attract more artists, etc.

 

2.) I do think it will help with activation of the theatres around downtown and OTR. Maybe it will also help a place like the Imperial Theatre in Mohawk. Maybe someone with a lot of money would be willing to dish out to really fix the place up. Things like this.

 

3.) Obviously the actual numbers, I think the numbers could grow higher and if they do choose Cincinnati I think, from what I read, that is one of the factors. Sundance wants to grow bigger and Cincinnati would allow that. They can get a lot more people attending it at a much lower cost than Utah and probably Boulder, CO as well. This will help the local economy during the festival.

 

4.) Lastly, it does put Cincinnati in a good spotlight.

24 minutes ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

Rumors that the Sundance announcement is in the next couple weeks. Cincinnati is still the favorite, and I have been told it could be a game changer for the city. While I love the prestige of landing a top international film festival, I don't know how much development it will really spur. It is currently attended by 120k over 2 weeks, with most of that happening the initial weekend. While the hope is numbers will jump with relocation, these are not huge festival numbers (compared to taste of Cincinnati, Octoberfest, Macy's music fest, even a Bengals game). 

 

For the sake of debate, why do you want Sundance? For you is it more about the event itself, the notoriety that comes from hosting it, the positive momentum it builds for the city, or something else?

 

Edit: can a mod move this to Cincinnati News. Sorry!!!!

Selecting Cincinnati for Sundance Film Festival would be an absolutely stunning moment in the city’s history to be honest and for Ohio too. It’s just not an event that Cincinnati/Ohio/The MidWest would ever really be considered for, partly because these kinds of festivals aren’t usually available for relocation.

 

Sundance brings Prestige that would make any event planner or visitors bureau chief drool. From celebrities, film directors, actors and wealthy clientele among many more it’s a VERY different crowd from a sporting event or music festival. 

 

 

55 minutes ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

While the hope is numbers will jump with relocation, these are not huge festival numbers (compared to taste of Cincinnati, Octoberfest, Macy's music fest, even a Bengals game). 

Sundance would absolutely Dwarf These events in economic impact. Sundance would instantly become Cincinnati’s biggest event. Currently Cincinnati Music Fest is the city’s biggest with an approximately 100 Million dollar impact, Sundance would beat that and nicely spread over more days. I assume you just mean the sheer amount of people downtown at one time when you mention Oktoberfest and a Bengals game, those kind of events shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as Sundance a totally different vibe, bengals folks are eating wings at The Banks, Sundance is going to rock Cincinnati’s top restaurants all over the city for example.
 

What’s also special about Sundance is it would give Cincinnati a HIGHLY coveted winter month flagship event which is really unusual for Midwest/ East Coast cities. Most big stuff is during the summer-warm months so this would be huge to get during an “off month”. It would also allow Sundance to truly takeover Cincinnati.

 

 

Edited March 6Mar 6 by 646empire

28 minutes ago, IAGuy39 said:

2.) I do think it will help with activation of the theatres around downtown and OTR. Maybe it will also help a place like the Imperial Theatre in Mohawk. Maybe someone with a lot of money would be willing to dish out to really fix the place up. Things like this.

Obviously this forum, myself included, tends to think about how it effects the physical environment and buildings and I completely agree with this point. The fact that we have Music hall, Memorial Hall, Shakespeare theater, Emery (children's) theater, Ensemble, Woodward, Know, Fotofocus all in OTR within walking distance of each other is incredible and would be a lively amazing couple weeks in the city. That's not even mentioning the larger downtown theaters / venues connected via streetcar like Taft, Aronoff, Brady or even potential setups like Hall of Mirrors, CAC, Mockbee or anywhere else that could fit a screen and a crowd.

 

I know that making OTR a tourist destination is a bit of a hot button topic because most residents don't want it to be turned into the French Quarter or Nashville-lite and instead want it to be a self sustaining neighborhood, but I think the number of ground floor retail spaces and venues need visitors to really thrive and there isn't the critical mass of residents or office workers in the neighborhood to sustain that at it's modern built out density. There is a more artsy, historic preservation minded version of OTR as a tourist destination that is more akin to Savannah or somewhere like that I think we should strive for and the notoriety and visitor-ship and good press of Sundance would really really help create that. 

I'll repeat the comment I made in a post in another thread, which is that it only makes sense for the purpose of a festival for people looking to break into the film industry for the event to be held in a relatively affordable place.  Park City, UT is not one of those places. 

 

That said, with the film industry in steep decline, I would expect that the festival will have to diversify into other realms.  The SXSW festival in Austin is now a catch-all for all sorts of corporate media and tech stuff, since there is no longer any music industry for independent artists to break into. 

 

So maybe Sundance will devolve into influencers taking selfies and self-help seminars. 

Cincinnati as the host city for Sundance will do just as much for the Sundance Film Festival as the Sundance Film Festival will do for the city itself.

 

Park City Utah has around 4 million people with 500 miles of it.Cincinnati has around 120 million people within 500 miles of it's city limits.

 

With all the venue spaces available in OTR the festival being over a 11 day period Sundance will grow exponentially larger and reach a much broader audience at a more affordable price point.

 

The city will grow the Sundance festival and honestly all of Cincinnati art non profits will make for some fascinating collaborations with the Sundance Institute.

Edited March 6Mar 6 by ucnum1

I think that if you talked to the average person on the street anywhere in America who doesn't have direct ties to the Midwest, they assume that Ohio is nothing but farmland and all of the Ohio cities they've heard of are kind of sleepy, generic cities with nothing unique to offer. Sundance picking Cincinnati has the potential to change the narrative and let people across America know that those stereotypes aren't true and there's something interesting and unique here. Yes, Taste and Oktoberfest are bigger events but they primarily draw in people who already live within the 275 loop. Blink gets some attention outside of Cincinnati, but is still fairly niche. Sundance is already a widely known event, and the announcement that they're moving to Cincinnati is something that the average American is much more likely to hear about. The benefits are even bigger if Sundance transforms from a small event for the elite into a larger, more SXSW-like multi-week series of festivals and conferences that draw in creatives from across the country.

 

Additionally, having all of the executives from every movie studio and streaming service flying in and seeing the city with their own eyes is Film Cincinnati's dream. The potential economic impact isn't just from the festival itself, but the potential of having more movies and TV series produced here, and the runoff impact on our local video production industry, hospitality industry, etc.

If Cincinnati gets Sundance it’ll be real cause for celebration. Wow wow wow. We will see shortly.

Fingers crossed that all the whispers are true and Cincinnati will become the next home of the Sundance Film Festival. Sundance can elevate Cincinnati and Cincinnati needs to elevate Sundance. To be a success, Sundance will need to be so successful in Cincinnati that it'll never want to leave. This is the sort of SXSW-style event Cincinnati desperately needs. Tourism in Cincinnati has a lot of room to grow and the city is beyond ready for it.

 

With more new hotels, lots more housing downtown, the growth of UC, 3 pro sports teams, and a new arena and convention center, visitors are about to learn that Cincinnati isn't a flat, dull, and boring cow town in the middle of a cornfield. The one thing we continue to miss out on is a smart transit system that treats Cincinnati and NKY as one region with a connection to the airport.

 

Sad we aren't even studying an extension to the streetcar yet!

Edited March 6Mar 6 by Miami-Erie
typo

23 minutes ago, Miami-Erie said:

Sad we aren't even studying an extension to the streetcar yet!

Yeah I’m surprised too. Unfortunately we can probably kiss an extension goodbye during the next 4 Trump years. Needed federal dollars are highly unlikely, unless Vance calls in a hometown favor. 

31 minutes ago, Miami-Erie said:

Sad we aren't even studying an extension to the streetcar yet!

 

 

However, the existing streetcar line, by total chance, connects all of the existing major venues (Taft, Aronoff, Emery, Music/Memorial Hall, etc.). 

9 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Yeah I’m surprised too. Unfortunately we can probably kiss an extension goodbye during the next 4 Trump years. Needed federal dollars are highly unlikely, unless Vance calls in a hometown favor. 

 

I mean, even when the Biden administration was around, it’s not like Cincinnati City Council/SORTA was interested in anything more than milquetoast BRT. 

1 minute ago, Gordon Bombay said:

 

I mean, even when the Biden administration was around, it’s not like Cincinnati City Council/SORTA was interested in anything more than milquetoast BRT. 

True but regardless of what was the local priority whether BRT or The Brent Spence the Feds was an option and provided lots of money. Not anymore. Anyway definitely wrong thread for this convo lol.

8 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

 

However, the existing streetcar line, by total chance, connects all of the existing major venues (Taft, Aronoff, Emery, Music/Memorial Hall, etc.). 

Yupp a big plus. Especially for Sundance.

47 minutes ago, 646empire said:

True but regardless of what was the local priority whether BRT or The Brent Spence the Feds was an option and provided lots of money. Not anymore. Anyway definitely wrong thread for this convo lol.

 

Sadly, too true. :( 

6 hours ago, 646empire said:

Sundance would absolutely Dwarf These events in economic impact. Sundance would instantly become Cincinnati’s biggest event. Currently Cincinnati Music Fest is the city’s biggest with an approximately 100 Million dollar impact, Sundance would beat that and nicely spread over more days. I assume you just mean the sheer amount of people downtown at one time when you mention Oktoberfest and a Bengals game, those kind of events shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as Sundance a totally different vibe, bengals folks are eating wings at The Banks, Sundance is going to rock Cincinnati’s top restaurants all over the city for example.
 

What’s also special about Sundance is it would give Cincinnati a HIGHLY coveted winter month flagship event which is really unusual for Midwest/ East Coast cities. Most big stuff is during the summer-warm months so this would be huge to get during an “off month”. It would also allow Sundance to truly takeover Cincinnati.

 

 

I was talking number of people, not economic impact.

 

While I agree that it would be a great winter event at a time when the city is typically in hibernation, and in general I am very excited about the notoriety/ prestige it could bring, I am skeptical of the idea of it being a "game changer" for the city.

2 minutes ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

I am skeptical of the idea of it being a "game changer" for the city.

Then I don’t think your very familiar with Sundance Film Festival.

1 hour ago, 646empire said:

True but regardless of what was the local priority whether BRT or The Brent Spence the Feds was an option and provided lots of money. Not anymore. Anyway definitely wrong thread for this convo lol.

I mean this goes back a decade plus ago when the assclown Governor Kasich took the federal money $40 million plus awarded to the Cincinnati streetcar and sent that money to Northeast Ohio highway project.

 

And let's not forget the $100 million he sent back to the federal government for the 3C rail project that would have been up and running years ago.Dewine at least has a functional brain.

8 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Then I don’t think your very familiar with Sundance Film Festival.

I only know of it, admittedly I have not been. 

 

Sundance, like any other festival, would have great impact. But would it cause the significant uptick in investment/population like the streetcar (what I consider to be a game changer)?

Edited March 6Mar 6 by CincyIntheKnow

15 minutes ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

I only know of it, admittedly I have not been. 

 

Sundance, like any other festival, would have great impact. But would it cause the significant uptick in investment/population like the streetcar (what I consider to be a game changer)?

Yeah it will.

 

Sundance has a world stage and world audience that follows it.The only other event with the prestige and attention  that Cincinnati has or ever had is the Cincinnati Open imo.

15 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

Yeah it will.

 

Sundance has a world stage and world audience that follows it.The only other event with the prestige and attention  that Cincinnati has or ever had is the Cincinnati Open imo.

And as great as the Cincinnati Open is, it has not been a game changer for the region, just more exposure. 

 

I don't mean to sound skeptical, I am just curious of how much SFF would actually change Cincinnati.

Edited March 6Mar 6 by CincyIntheKnow

It is more than just the festival involved with this.The headquarters for the Sundance Institute would come to Cincinnati along with it.Between 45 to 50 jobs based in OTR.

 

And yes untold number of new films and jobs will come with this relocation.

Having lived in SLC for 8 years and having worked with people who had a lot to do with Sundance in the past I think the festival coming to Cincinnati would be a great thing. 

• Cincinnati has really become a hotbed for films recently and this can help showcase the city more to potential producers.
  • I've heard from people who know these things that if Cincinnati had a sound stage or two, we'd be getting even more films.
• Park City is a great town but having the festival in the city proper would be much more convenient to visitors. Park City was already crowded but during Sundance, it became a better idea for locals to avoid it entirely. We went up once and that was enough. 
• Any time you can get 100K visitors into your city it's a good thing and it might spur our politicians to do something more with transit and continued development in the city center.
• As someone who loves this city, anything to showcase it in a positive light is great. It really is the most underrated city in the country IMO.

3 hours ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

And as great as the Cincinnati Open is, it has not been a game changer for the region, just more exposure. 

 

I don't mean to sound skeptical, I am just curious of how much SFF would actually change Cincinnati.

It brings in around $135 million to Utah and that’s in a tiny little town. Cincinnati has a lot more hotel rooms, restaurants and event space, which means the event could grow easier, bringing in more money. 
 

Living in Columbus I would love for this to happen for Cincinnati. My wife is trying to break into acting and it’s hard in the Midwest. Sundance would open up all of Ohio to future movie productions. Ohio basically hits any type of landscape that would be needed for movies and it’s all pretty close together. 

7 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

I mean this goes back a decade plus ago when the assclown Governor Kasich took the federal money $40 million plus awarded to the Cincinnati streetcar and sent that money to Northeast Ohio highway project.

 

It was split between two railroad overpass projects. 

 

Here is one:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/N+McCord+Rd,+Ohio/@41.6187343,-83.7033586,187m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x883c7c741fc8dc53:0x8eff4ae2c624d5e8!8m2!3d41.6716756!4d-83.7028649!16s%2Fg%2F1vfp49hb?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

Here is the other:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington,+OH+44090/@41.170768,-82.2172149,153m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x8830a17cd3969295:0x14e7ae4e20f4f9fc!8m2!3d41.1689421!4d-82.2179354!16zL20vMHlfMDI?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

While I agree that it would be a great winter event at a time when the city is typically in hibernation,

 

Yeah I agree that the annual timing and multi-week format of this event is especially fortuitous, even though it's when the city's weather is typically at its least-charming. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

 

Yeah I agree that the annual timing and multi-week format of this event is especially fortuitous, even though it's when the city's weather is typically at its least-charming. 

 

 

Maybe the city can have Christmas lights up on street trees and in Washington Park, a little sparkle can go a long way to help the charm factor 

14 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

• Cincinnati has really become a hotbed for films recently and this can help showcase the city more to potential producers.
  • I've heard from people who know these things that if Cincinnati had a sound stage or two, we'd be getting even more films.

 

With the recent fires in LA and loss of so many homes there, I've been hearing people who work in film/TV talking about what's going to happen to Hollywood. So much film production has already moved to other cities like Vancouver or Atlanta, and a lot of the middle class people who work on those productions (sound, lighting, set builders, etc.) have moved away from LA to those other cities, since they can get steady work there and have a lower cost of living. It'll take years to rebuild the homes lost in this year's fire, and these fires are likely to keep happening annually due to climate change. The timing might be right for Ohio to expand its media production tax credits and help Cincinnati land some permanent facilities to allow more media to be produced here.

Is the state of Ohio helping Cincy attract this festival ? Seeing that Colorado has put together a $34 million dollar incentive package makes me wonder if Ohio is doing enough.  While the city is putting up something like 5 million that's now where near the package from Colorado. 

8 minutes ago, ExplrAll said:

Is the state of Ohio helping Cincy attract this festival ? Seeing that Colorado has put together a $34 million dollar incentive package makes me wonder if Ohio is doing enough.  While the city is putting up something like 5 million that's now where near the package from Colorado. 

There is a Cincinnati and Hamilton County package. The State is also involved but the total hasn’t really been confirmed although I’ve heard it’s significant 

26 minutes ago, ExplrAll said:

Is the state of Ohio helping Cincy attract this festival ? Seeing that Colorado has put together a $34 million dollar incentive package makes me wonder if Ohio is doing enough.  While the city is putting up something like 5 million that's now where near the package from Colorado. 

City has committed $5 million per year over 10 years.Hamilton County also has put $2 million in this years county budget.

 

 Last fall, Cincinnati City Council allocated $5 million to support the bid. It will be allocated over 10 years.“City leaders have said they want Sundance, and now we’re putting our money where our mouth is,” council member Seth Walsh said in October. In January, Mayor Aftab Pureval personally attended the Sundance Festival to emphasize the city's commitment. "I’m out here because we take this opportunity very seriously,” Pureval said.

 

“The Recommended Budget allows for … the use of one-time resources to enable the County to play a role in catalytic community and economic development efforts being proposed,” the budget states.

$5 million has been allocated to develop and prepare a site within the county for the construction of a new National Women’s Soccer League franchise.

 

$2 million has been allocated for grant funding to assist in securing the Sundance Film Festival to Hamilton County

Edited March 7Mar 7 by ucnum1

Film Cincinnati regularly lobbies the state to increase its film tax credits, I'm sure they have been in conversations about money to lure Sundance as well. I'm sure we'll find out all of those details if/when the announcement is made.

I'm still in "believe it when I see it" territory with Cincy possibly getting Sundance. However, I can't stress enough how much of an improvement any location besides Park City would be. Venues for the films in Cincy are so much bigger and more accessible than those in PC. I'm assuming they'd use the Taft Theater, Aranoff, Music Hall, and maybe the Brady? Either way, Park City was like trying to have a festival in Loveland. It's just too small.

29 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

 

I believe it Sundance has lost millions in 4 of the last 5 years.Cincinnsti checks a lot of boxes for making the festivals footprint larger and it's just a lot more affordable to host a festival for hosts and patrons both in Cincinnati.

 

https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/sundance-institute,870361394/

Edited March 7Mar 7 by ucnum1

23 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

Cincinnati as the host city for Sundance will do just as much for the Sundance Film Festival as the Sundance Film Festival will do for the city itself.

 

Park City Utah has around 4 million people with 500 miles of it.Cincinnati has around 120 million people within 500 miles of it's city limits.

 

With all the venue spaces available in OTR the festival being over a 11 day period Sundance will grow exponentially larger and reach a much broader audience at a more affordable price point.

 

The city will grow the Sundance festival and honestly all of Cincinnati art non profits will make for some fascinating collaborations with the Sundance Institute.

This is something I hadn't really considered because I unfortunately have a the small town provincial Cincy mindset sometimes. If you use 250 miles, which is a more realistic driving distance for cities like Chicago, Nashville, Detroit, Pittsburgh and everything in between, we still have 47 million people around Cincy. As you mention Salt Lake has 4.7 million within that radius and Denver has 6.7 million. 

4 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

This is something I hadn't really considered because I unfortunately have a the small town provincial Cincy mindset sometimes. If you use 250 miles, which is a more realistic driving distance for cities like Chicago, Nashville, Detroit, Pittsburgh and everything in between, we still have 47 million people around Cincy. As you mention Salt Lake has 4.7 million within that radius and Denver has 6.7 million. 

I have been following this one pretty closely.

 

The Sundance board has said many times in their interviews about the expense involved in hosting the festival in a "mountain town".And getting more exposure for their festival.Cincinnati has both in spades.

 

Also I know through the grapevine that the former Sundance CEO has a residence in OTR that can not hurt the bid IMHO 

https://www.facebook.com/filmcincinnati/videos/1084697460266557/?app=fbl

:D

On 3/6/2025 at 3:20 PM, Gordon Bombay said:

 

I mean, even when the Biden administration was around, it’s not like Cincinnati City Council/SORTA was interested in anything more than milquetoast BRT. 

This council hasn’t done one thing, have they? At least Cranley tried to get and did get some s**t done. 

On 3/6/2025 at 5:11 PM, CincyIntheKnow said:

And as great as the Cincinnati Open is, it has not been a game changer for the region, just more exposure. 

 

I don't mean to sound skeptical, I am just curious of how much SFF would actually change Cincinnati.

Probably would create lots of jobs and investment. Ever seen field of dreams? 😁

On 3/6/2025 at 5:11 PM, CincyIntheKnow said:

the Cincinnati Open is, it has not been a game changer for the region, just more exposure. 

The Cincinnati Open is VERY MUCH a game changer which is why Charlotte wanted to take it from Cincinnati so bad, and why the region and State pulled out every incentive possible to keep it. If it left it would have been a MASSIVE blow. That tennis tournament is one of a kind in the world. It’s actually going to become Cincys biggest event with an economic impact of 200 Million Dollars a year when the new 2 week format kicks off this summer and just wait until you see the giant 260 million dollar campus renovation this year its going to be stunning!

 

Also I think you and I’m sure others get so used to your hometown having something for so long (The Western Southern Open) many take it for granted and don’t realize how amazing it is and its impact until it leaves. Utah may learn that the hard way with Sundance which is why government officials out there is saying the loss would be devastating.

 

Sundance economic impact is probably going to eclipse even the new Cincinnati Open if the bid is Successful.

Edited March 8Mar 8 by 646empire

Maybe I should clarify that the Cincinnati Open is a very big deal, but it being located in the far suburbs limits the benefit to the region. Sundance has more potential due to time of year and it being so close to the urban core. 

 

I am excited about Sundance, and think it will benefit Cincinnati. I will hold judgement on the "game changer" part.

I was just wondering how the snobby bicoastal elites who attend Sundance will react when they experience Cincinnati Chili for the first time. Why isn't this available on Rodeo Drive? 😂

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DG6c3HyRHf3/

On 3/7/2025 at 10:21 PM, IAGuy39 said:

This council hasn’t done one thing, have they? At least Cranley tried to get and did get some s**t done. 

 

Cranely wasted one of the last TIGER transit grant applications on a viaduct-to-nowhere that didn't involve transit. 

 

And then after a 50-year wait to narrow Liberty St. and open up more land for development he narrowed it by like four feet and opened no land for development. 

 

On 3/8/2025 at 12:42 PM, CincyIntheKnow said:

it being located in the far suburbs limits the benefit to the region.

It doesn’t tho. Everything doesn’t need to be downtown to benefit the region lol. As a matter of fact The Cincinnati Open fills lotsss of downtown hotels, restaurants, transportation companies, shopping (Kenwood) etc even tho it’s in Mason. This is going to grow tremendously when the tournament doubles in size this year. Anyway let’s hope for Sundance news soon.

Edited March 10Mar 10 by 646empire

On 3/7/2025 at 11:45 AM, ucnum1 said:

Also I know through the grapevine that the former Sundance CEO has a residence in OTR that can not hurt the bid IMHO 

 

Which former CEO?

On 3/7/2025 at 10:56 PM, 646empire said:

The Cincinnati Open is VERY MUCH a game changer which is why Charlotte wanted to take it from Cincinnati so bad, and why the region and State pulled out every incentive possible to keep it. If it left it would have been a MASSIVE blow. That tennis tournament is one of a kind in the world. It’s actually going to become Cincys biggest event with an economic impact of 200 Million Dollars a year when the new 2 week format kicks off this summer and just wait until you see the giant 260 million dollar campus renovation this year its going to be stunning!

 

Also I think you and I’m sure others get so used to your hometown having something for so long (The Western Southern Open) many take it for granted and don’t realize how amazing it is and its impact until it leaves. Utah may learn that the hard way with Sundance which is why government officials out there is saying the loss would be devastating.

 

Sundance economic impact is probably going to eclipse even the new Cincinnati Open if the bid is Successful.

Yes. I disagree that the Open has not been a game changer. Having that event here in our region is HUGE!

 

It creates a heavy measure of economic activity down the 71 corridor into the city. 

Edited March 10Mar 10 by Rabbit Hash

2 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Yes. I disagree that the Open has not been a game changer. Having that event here in our region is HUGE!

 

It creates a heavy measure of economic activity down the 71 corridor into the city. 

 

Interesting and related observation: while I think Sundance will do more for the city culturally and financially, I'm not sure if it will raise our international name ID in the same way as the Cincinnati Open. Multiple times when traveling overseas new acquaintances have said the only thing they know about Cincinnati is the Cincinnati Open. I wonder how long it will take for Sundance to raise Cincinnati's profile.

19 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Cranely wasted one of the last TIGER transit grant applications on a viaduct-to-nowhere that didn't involve transit. 

 

And then after a 50-year wait to narrow Liberty St. and open up more land for development he narrowed it by like four feet and opened no land for development. 

 

For sure, a lot more negative than Positive, but he did push through the Metro Moves and championed that, and also tried for the Parks. I think my point was that he pushed really hard on some big things whether positive or negative, while it feels like this administration hasn't done as much, but I could definitely be missing a lot.