September 16, 200915 yr Sen. Tom Patton, a Strongsville Republican who heads the Senate's Transportation Committee and has been critical of the 3C plan, questioned whether it's worth the state spending hundreds of millions on construction and tens of millions in annual subsidies for about 1,300 riders a day. "We have a couple million people a day that ride commuter bus systems in this state," Patton said. "We need to address [funding] that because we have bus systems shutting down. We should be taking a look at what's in the best interests of the most amount of people." First, the state isn't spending hundreds of millions, the federal government is. And whether Ohio gets that funding or some other state gets it, this is still going to be spent on a passenger rail project. His job is to bring home the bacon. If he can't do his job, then Ohioans need someone who can. And, OK, so now the assailant is blaming the victim when it comes to transit cuts? The GOP slashed funding for transit from $42 million in 2001 to $16 million last year, and fallen to $10 million this year? All Aboard Ohio proposed to the Ohio General Assembly ways to make both passenger rail AND public transit fiscally whole without negatively impacting the state budget or taking from highway funding. Patton has yet to respond. This guy sure has a pair on him. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 16, 200915 yr I personally agree with his statements that funding public transit and commuter routes should be a higher priority than Intercity Rail, but if we can't convince people like him to fund public transit, than we may as well try to fund something. I found it dishonest and insulting that he could make statements like this after playing such a significant role in the funding problems public transit has. I just wrote him a letter to tell him as politely as I could that I think he resembles my anus.
September 16, 200915 yr ^ Right on, Grumpy !! :banger: Here's news from one of our U.S. Senators: OFFICE OF U.S. SENATOR SHERROD BROWN For Immediate Release Wednesday, September 16, 2009 Contact: Meghan Dubyak (202) 224-3978 BROWN calls on federal railroad administration to approve funds for rail in “3-c corridor”[/b] Brown Points to Amtrak Study Released Yesterday Showing Major Demand for Rail in Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati WASHINGTON, DC— U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), a strong supporter of high speed rail in Ohio, wrote to the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) today in support of Ohio’s pending application for high speed rail project funds through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). Brown said a study released yesterday by Amtrak – showing that rail service connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati would draw more than 478,000 riders each year – strengthens the case for the FRA to approve funds for Ohio. Ohio must submit its completed application by October 2. A copy of Sen. Brown’s letter can be found below. A scanned copy of the letter can be found here. September 16, 2009 Joseph Szabo Administrator Federal Railroad Administration U.S. Department of Transportation 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE Washington, DC 20590 Dear Administrator Szabo: I write you today to offer my strong support for the state of Ohio’s pending application for high speed rail project funds made available through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). The proposal would restart passenger rail service—for the first time in more than 30 years—between Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati. In a recent Wall Street Journal article on the Federal Rail Administration’s ARRA efforts, you noted that “We have to come away with very tangible success.” I share your view and believe that projects that strengthen our national rail system and provide the most bang for our buck should be given top priority. The Ohio proposal would achieve both of these goals in a timely manner; it is my understanding that service could begin by 2011. With startup service, millions of Ohioans who currently lack rail as a viable travel option would be connected to some of our nation’s largest rail hubs like New York, Chicago, and Washington, DC. A recent Amtrak study found significant demand for passenger rail in Ohio, and with 6 million people living along the Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati corridor, this market is significantly underserved. Factoring in that 60% of the nation’s population lives within 600 miles of my state, it is clear that we cannot have a legitimate national rail plan without Ohio. I applaud the President and his transportation team for their dedication and vision to a high speed passenger rail system. In this time of continued economic uncertainty, it is crucial that we focus our resources on projects that produce significant, concrete results. Ohio’s quick start application meets this standard and is consistent with the spirit of ARRA investments made now would create jobs, spur economic development, and encourage the long term growth our country needs in the years ahead. I strongly urge you and your staff to give serious consideration to this project. Sincerely, Sherrod Brown United States Senator
September 16, 200915 yr Haven't gone over the report in detail yet, but a few observations: 1. Nice to see that they're focusing on the most direct route (e.g., no Akron or Elyria) as this allows for better trip times and thus a greater chance of success (& funding). (I think Akron-CLE should be served by a separate line, maybe connecting CLE-PIT or CLE-Canton.) 2. Revenue is a key factor on whether or not this gets funded. The report does not detail how it arrived at its revenue number or whats included. $12.2m is provided. Is that just ticket revenue or does it include other revenue sources like food and beverage (which is a big part of revenue)? And what comprises the $29.2m in operating costs? As written, the report gives the line a fare box recovery of 40%, which isn't great even by Amtrak standards, though its not the worst state-supported Amtrak line, but towards the bottom of the list. Not seeing how the revenue (and costs) was (were) developed, makes it impossible to really assess. If ticket prices were raised 2% what would that do? 5%? Is food and beverage included or not? If not, the numbers would improve. (There WILL be a food car right?) 3. Assume revenue is maxed out (for example, raising the price 1% would result in a drop in ridership offsetting the revenue increase) and Amtrak cannot operate any cheaper, does the line have to be operated by Amtrak? (I realize that this was an Amtrak study.)
September 16, 200915 yr Don't Forget! Please Attend!! 3C "Quick Start" Passenger Rail Plan PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE MEETING Learn about the project - give input Show up anytime between 4-7 p.m. Thursday Sept. 17 Cincinnati City Hall, Council Chambers 801 Plum Street Please Attend! DO NOT LET OTHERS SPEAK FOR YOU! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 16, 200915 yr Yes. And I think that's too early. It needs to be at least an hour later. Same with Cleveland and Cincinnati. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 16, 200915 yr Yes. And I think that's too early. It needs to be at least an hour later. Same with Cleveland and Cincinnati. Thats crazy. There need to be late evening trains so people can work a full day and travel to the city of business or leisure.
September 16, 200915 yr Yes. And I think that's too early. It needs to be at least an hour later. Same with Cleveland and Cincinnati. I would say at least two hours later. What if you get out of work at 5 pm on a Friday and wanted to spend the weekend in Cincy. It couldn't work. Do they have these earlier times so it doesn't conflict with the freight rail that will be using the rail line more so in the evening?? Either way... Let's go 3C!
September 16, 200915 yr Well the times are just estimates, I would assume that if there is support at the public meetings for later times, they'd consider changing them, unless there is some specific reason why it would cost more to do so.
September 16, 200915 yr No. These are proposed times based on basic equipment assignments so they can better understand how the movement of trainsets in the corridor would function and still allow for sufficient time for servicing and cleaning the trains. Amtrak did the same thing when they were asked by Illinois DOT to develop a schedule for the expanded Lincoln Service between Chicago and St. Louis. What they proposed didn't make people very happy, so some adjustments were made and the rest is history -- ridership increased something like 40-60 percent. You need to speak up and tell state officials what you want, schedule-wise. Attend the 3C meeting today in Cleveland, or the one tomorrow in Cincinnati, or go to 3CisME.ohio.gov! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 16, 200915 yr No. These are proposed times based on basic equipment assignments so they can better understand how the movement of trainsets in the corridor would function and still allow for sufficient time for servicing and cleaning the trains. Amtrak did the same thing when they were asked by Illinois DOT to develop a schedule for the expanded Lincoln Service between Chicago and St. Louis. What they proposed didn't make people very happy, so some adjustments were made and the rest is history -- ridership increased something like 40-60 percent. You need to speak up and tell state officials what you want, schedule-wise. Attend the 3C meeting today in Cleveland, or the one tomorrow in Cincinnati, or go to 3CisME.ohio.gov! You know I already have ;)
September 16, 200915 yr Good story from today's Dayton Daily News on the impact of passenger rail in a similar corridor in New England. Passenger rail service brought $7B in investments, jobs, developer says DAYTON — A land developer from Maine visited Dayton on Tuesday, Sept. 15, to tell local business and government leaders that Maine’s investment in passenger rail service has delivered benefits exceeding what planners expected. Martin said Maine invested less than $100 million, and that triggered over $7 billion in additional construction investment, almost 7 million square feet of new commercial space and 18,000 new jobs. “It’s been like that all over the country, and there’s no reason to believe Ohio can’t be the same,” Martin said. Read the full article at: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/passenger-rail-service-brought-7b-in-investments-jobs-developer-says-300395.html
September 16, 200915 yr question for everyone: did any local transit agencies or municipalities apply for a tiger grant? i haven't seen anything.
September 16, 200915 yr question for everyone: did any local transit agencies or municipalities apply for a tiger grant? i haven't seen anything. What is a tiger grant and does it have anything to do with the 3c rail project?
September 16, 200915 yr question for everyone: did any local transit agencies or municipalities apply for a tiger grant? i haven't seen anything. both ohio and local rta applied for usdot tiger grants (not tigger, run by same dept). results are expected in next 10 days. i'm not sure what the state application was for, but some of it could have been for the 3C corridor. rta's grant wasn't extremely "innovative", but included energy efficiency work at their buildings.
September 17, 200915 yr The following link has the ODOT sponsored TIGER discretionary grant applications: http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Communications/Pages/FederalStimulusProjectListing.aspx I haven't heard of any applications from MPO's or transit agencies, but that is not to say they haven't applied for funds.
September 17, 200915 yr Looking at the Columbus station location I can see that would work for me for leisure travel. I could easily take the train and walk to a hotel for a weekend in Columbus for Gay Pride or ComFest. Yet that travel time. eh.
September 17, 200915 yr I also see they expect the locals to foot the bill for station improvements. Good luck with that here in Dayton.
September 17, 200915 yr On line poll in the Columbus Dispatch about whether or not you would ride the proposed 3C passenger trains: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/09/17/0917_hot_issue.ART_ART_09-17-09_A1_1GF3OON.html
September 17, 200915 yr http://www.rtands.com/newsflash/study-predicts-nearly-500-000-ohio-rail-riders.html Study predicts nearly 500,000 Ohio rail riders Wednesday, September 16, 2009 As the deadline to apply for a piece of $8 billion in stimulus funding for passenger rail service approaches, Ohio officials have cleared a major hurdle with the delivery of a ridership study that projects annual demand for rail service at nearly half a million Ohioans, the Dayton Business Journal reported. ....... Amtrak is expected to accept changes and revisions to the study and submit a final report this year. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 200915 yr Unfortunately this article has a glaring error in it....... http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/09/17/train_travel.ART_ART_09-17-09_A1_1GF3OHH.html?sid=101 Train fares paramount Potential Ohio passengers want to know about the price Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:22 AM By Bill Bush and Catherine Candisky THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Curtis Cavett checks the fares of buses, trains and planes every two weeks when he travels from his home in Columbus to his job on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. He uses all of them. ......... The 3-C route could be running by 2011 at an annual cost of more than $500 million with nearly 500,000 riders per year, the study said. ___________ OK, how is the public and their elected officials supposed to make good decisions with piss-poor reporting like this? The start up cost is estimated at $500 million (in federal funds, BTW). The annual cost is $17 million. Kind of a big difference there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 200915 yr Way ahead of ya, pardner. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 200915 yr Meeting on proposed passenger rail service from Cleveland to Cincinnati draws enthusiastic crowd Posted by Karen Farkas / Plain Dealer Reporter September 16, 2009 20:03PM William Deitrick and Dan Feiwell may be from different generations but they share a desire to see passenger trains chug across the state. "I always traveled by train and I think if they gave it a try, it would work and people would ride again," said Deitrick, 84, of Parma, who attended a public meeting Wednesday on proposed rail service from Cleveland to Cincinnati. He spent 31 years working for two railroads and can recall when trains were the primary mode of transportation in Ohio Read full story at: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/09/meeting_on_proposed_passenger.html
September 17, 200915 yr On line poll in the Columbus Dispatch about whether or not you would ride the proposed 3C passenger trains: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/09/17/0917_hot_issue.ART_ART_09-17-09_A1_1GF3OON.html The responses are starting to even out. At 9 a.m. today, 70 percent thought the 3C trains would NOT be successful. At 1 p.m. it's about 50/50. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 200915 yr That's just awesome. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 200915 yr Now running 52% Yes to 48 % no.... Interesting that some "no" votes are from people who still want trains but want faster ones.
September 18, 200915 yr Now running 52% Yes to 48 % no.... Interesting that some "no" votes are from people who still want trains but want faster ones. I read that too. I would wager that those who want faster trains don't want to pay for them. That's the American way, you want something awesome but darn it don't tax us for it.
September 21, 200915 yr SNCF proposes to start 220 mph trains from Chicago-Ft. Wayne-Toledo-Detroit by 2018 and then build a branch to Cleveland from Toledo by 2020. Ironically this is very similar to the map I posted on Page 1 of this thread. See also the map linked below.... http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/09/19/breaking-sncf-proposes-development-of-high-speed-rail-in-midwest-texas-florida-and-california-corridors/ Breaking: SNCF Proposes Development of High-Speed Rail in Midwest, Texas, Florida, and California Corridors September 19, 2009 French organization submits detailed proposals for 220 mph train operation. Last December, Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters and Representative John Mica (R-FL) announced that the Federal Railroad Administration would begin accepting Expressions of Interest for the development of high-speed lines in the United States. By February, more than 80 groups, including a number of states, train operators, and train constructors, had sent letters describing their interest in being part of the development of American fast train travel. Final responses were due on September 14th. Also, see the map at: http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SNCF2.jpg "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 200915 yr My Pick: High speed rail West Coast line San Diego, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver Texas triangle: Dallas, Houston, San Antonio Florida: Miami, Orlando, Tampa East Coast: Boston New York Philidelphia Washington Newport News Chicago Hub - radial lines to Minneanapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and others Empire Route: Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, New York City not included: Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Dayton, Columbus.
September 21, 200915 yr America 2050 released a new report last week that prioritizes 10 mega regions for high speed rail investment. It is similar to maps and ideas presented here, but has some interesting population figures and graphics for the different phases: http://www.rpa.org/america2050/
September 22, 200915 yr The dorks from Tubular Rail strike again..... http://www.examiner.com/x-23537-Columbus-Government-Examiner~y2009m9d17-Analysis-of--Amtrak-study-for-Ohio-3C-rail-plan-reveals-fatal-flaws Want to see a fatal flaw? Tubular rail. You know why they haven't built a prototype or even a model? Because it would show it doesn't work. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 200915 yr The Enquirer is reporting that ORDC changed the location of the temporary Cincinnati station. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090922/NEWS01/909230349/1055/NEWS/Lunken+temporary+site+for+3-C+station "...the Lunken site, located about one mile from the airport terminal..." Anyone know the specific location they are talking about?
September 22, 200915 yr Ohio Rail Development Commission & Ohio Department of Transportation For Immediate Release: Sept. 22, 2009 Contact: Stu Nicholson 614-644-0513 E-mail: [email protected] Ohio’s 3C “Quick Start” Passenger Rail Plan Gets Fans Quick Fans on Facebook and Online Polling Show Growing Support COLUMBUS (Tuesday, September 22, 2009) - Like a virtual train quickly filling up with passengers, Ohio’s 3C “Quick Start” Passenger Rail Plan is quickly growing an online fan base well before the first trains run. On September 14, the Ohio Department of Transportation - in partnership with the Ohio Rail Development Commission - launched the department’s first trial run with the nation’s largest internet social networking site Facebook, starting with a page featuring the 3C “Quick Start” Passenger Rail Plan. If you're a Facebook member, the page can be accessed at: http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/3CisME/Pages/default.aspx In the short time since the launch, the 3C “Quick Start” page is on track to have at least a thousand Facebook subscribers become “3C Plan fans.” “Social networking sites such as Facebook are increasingly becoming a very useful tool in sharing information, especially among our younger populations,” said ODOT Director Jolene M. Molitoris. “It would send a great message to Washington if we could get two-thousand or more fans before we submit our application to the Federal Railroad Administration for stimulus funding on October 2nd.” Ohio’s 3C “Quick Start” Plan - connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati with medium speed 79 mph passenger trains - is a strong contender for stimulus funding. With the funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Ohio’s “Quick Start” plan would have initial service running as early as 2011. A recently released ridership and revenue study prepared by Amtrak estimated that 478,000 passengers would board the train each year in Ohio, due in large part to a pent-up demand for passenger rail travel and the unique opportunity to connect with more than 60 percent of the state’s population. “The concentration of colleges and universities along the corridor is another major component for success,” the Amtrak report said. “Historically, throughout its national system, Amtrak has enjoyed steady ridership support from college students.” Facebook fans of the 3C “Quick Start” Plan range from college students and young professionals to business and community leaders, including members of the Ohio General Assembly - State Representatives Michael Skindell (House Dist. 13) and W. Carlton Weddington (House Dist.27). At the same time, more than 7,200 people have responded to an online survey at 3CisMe.ohio.gov, the state’s online portal for passenger rail information. In the month since the survey has been active, more than 93 percent of respondents favor the medium-speed passenger rail start-up plan. ###
September 23, 200915 yr Anyone know the specific location they are talking about? Yes. There's a rail yard that is proposed to be fixed up so the 3C passenger trains could layover between runs into Cincinnati. My guess is that a station would be added to this mix. The good news is this will save 10 miles of non-revenue travel (five miles each way, but still incurring the full cost of a revenue trip) to shuttle empty trains back and forth to the Boathouse station. The bad news is this is not a good location for a Cincinnati station at all. Revising Amtrak's plan could mean a bypass around Sharonville Yard, a track connection to the Oasis Line and installing continuous welded rails on the Oasis Line for a total cost of perhaps $30 million to $40 million. For what? To reach a station at Lunken Field? Don't do it. Reduce the 3C federal funding request by up to $40 million and make Sharonville the southern TEMPORARY terminus. This way we're not spending so much money for a temporary route to a station few people want for a project this already more expensive than what the state was anticipating. Instead, put the station at Sharonville and add dedicated connecting buses to downtown, CUT, University of Cincinnati, Xavier and perhaps other places. If we can similarly cut the cost of new equipment from $175 million to $100 million, or perhaps even less with second-hand, modernized equipment we might be able to get this project down to $400 million. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 200915 yr Maybe this has been covered elsewhere, but this temporary Amtrak service on the Oasis line would be mutually exclusive with the proposed Eastern Corridor service, wouldn't it? You can't have DMUs on the same line as diesel locomotives, right? Or does that prohibition only apply to diesel-pulled freight? Obviously this is true of either station location on the Oasis line, but could be another reason to stop in Sharonville.
September 23, 200915 yr This is a very good compromise KJP. I agree that the purpose is not to have a Cleve to Cinci rail system that is set in stone or rail as may be the case. The idea is to have something that is marginally effective that can be grown as service grows. It sounds like Cinci will be the trickiest area to get into and from attempting to read their streetcar thread they are far from decided about how they want their city to interact with rail. I would also wonder about the availability of used train sets. There has to be some trains that are being upgraded some place that could be moved to Ohio. Thats like saying there's no used cars available to buy anywhere. I think we just need trains that will last 4 years before needing to be replaced.
September 23, 200915 yr Isn't the benefit of stopping at Lunken is that you don't have to use the Oasis Line (which in my understanding is what connects Lunken with DT/Boathouse)? A couple keys to make this work: 1. Quickly getting some kind of rail running between DT and the Lunken Station - be it DMU, Light Rail, or what have you. 2. Baring that - Metro needs to start a shuttle from Gov't Square to the station - Ideally it would run every 15 minutes for the two hours surrounding each incoming train. As an aside, early city plans for Cincy had heliports at the Banks and Lunken - we could finally find a 'good' use for that grass patch next to the Bengals stadium.
September 23, 200915 yr Don't forget...Lunken was once Cincy's main airport, so it isn't all that remote. We put the right transit and other "last mile/first mile" solutions in place and it can still work....and its closer than Sharonville. And, all politics being local, I doubt seriously if Cincy's mayor and other local officials would be as supportive if that's where we stopped. Plus the line between Sharonville and Lunken is not as residential as the rest of the line down to the Boathouse site...the improvements to the track can enable better speeds and makes it more viable for freight once a solution for CUT can be found. It buys time so that a solution can be found and it is clear that getting passenger rail back into CUT is not something that will happen overnight. BTW: The Oasis Line isn't just from Lunken to the Boathouse...it runs from Sharonville to the Boathouse and is operated by the RailAmerica-owned Indiana & Ohio Railroad.
September 23, 200915 yr Terminating the 3-C in Sharonville is one of the best ideas I've read on this thread, in my humble opinion. If a connection to Downtown Cincinnati were ever made, the Sharonville stop could still remain as a proper stop in it's own right. Sharonville has a rather nice but small "historic" downtown. Too bad more of Sharonville isn't walkable.
September 23, 200915 yr "Sunken Lunken" hasn't been the city's main airport for 60 years, and air travel was only a footnote back then. I recognize the politics of serving the City of Cincinnati. But political trains don't last long. There's just something in my bones that abhors spending tens of millions for a temporary route. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 200915 yr It serves no purpose if it can't get any closer than Sharonville. It MUST come to Cincinnati.
September 23, 200915 yr ^I 100% agree. How would Clevelanders feel if the line stopped 20 miles south of Downtown Cleveland? Why should Cincinnatians make the sacrifice to save money?
September 23, 200915 yr This line runs a couple blocks from my parents house. It would be really convenient for me if we put a stop @ Lester Rd. - I'm actually only partially kidding. It would seem to me to make almost as much sense to stop in Norwood or Oakley or even Bond Hill and use the McCullough Yards instead of taking it all the down to the river. Call it the mid-town stop. You have a lot more density in that area and that seems to be more active that taking all the into the Little Miami River Valley. This keeps it closer to the West Side. It is in the city of Cincinnati and it connects far better to highway system - in someways far better than even CUT, which will be a pain in the arse for many folks to get to especially when they tear up 75 which will start around the same time as the train gets a rolling. Eventually, you could connect all the way to the river but while agree has to come to Cincinnati - I don't see why it needs to go to the Ohio River for quite awhile.
September 23, 200915 yr Just released: the 2009 Cleveland Design Competition's program and site is the area north of Mall C (Lakefront area)for a new multimodal passenger rail station for the 3C and Midwest Rail Network. Should be exciting. More info to come... http://www.clevelandcompetition.com/
September 23, 200915 yr Lunken temporary site for 3-C station By Barry M. Horstman • [email protected] • September 22, 2009 Reacting to strong opposition to a proposed rail station on the riverfront near downtown, Ohio officials have opted instead for a Lunken Airport site to serve the so-called 3-C passenger line linking Cincinnati to Columbus and Cleveland. Link Personally, i don't like this idea...Lunken is too far out from the city center for use as a rail stop. If it does become part of the eastern corridor route, i could more easily understand it. I still think that a stop along the river is the best place for rail transit (rather than Union Terminal which seems to be the latest decision).
September 23, 200915 yr I just want rail travel between Detroit and Cincinnati. Seems like it would be an easy corridor to slide along I-75 all the way to Florida. I want this for the purely selfish reason of being able to hop on and go back home for weekends more easily than driving.
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