^^ I do find it odd that since other states are salivating at this money...that suddenly, in an instant, press releases say the project is dead. Government has never worked so fast!

 

 

^ And yes, I would think his own party would have to look at this and ask "What the HELL are you doing, man!!!???"

Can we stay on topic?  We all know that question will take us off topic  ;)

TBideon - you should copy the press on stuff like that. Kasich wouldn't care otherwise--he's obviously a small thinker.

 

KJP--is this the end? is it official--can the "Dayton Plan" still be implemented? There's still about 30 more days of Strickland.

 

UrbanSurfin--you mean recalling his election BEFORE he even takes office?

 

 

KJP--is this the end? is it official--can the "Dayton Plan" still be implemented? There's still about 30 more days of Strickland.

 

 

Why, did someone nuke Ohio? I've been at this 26 years and have seen 3C go down in flames seven times. Admittedly, this is the closest we've gotten to having 3C -- which can be taken as either a negative or a positive. And even this does die -- again -- it will surely come back -- again. But it sure does get frustrating that a state is so unable to help itself join the majority of other civilized places in the world.

Lumps of coal for the 3C and sugarplums for the golden states as jobs and commerce set for high-speed departure from Ohio

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Thursday, December 9, 2010

CONTACT:  Jack Shaner, Ohio Environmental Council [email protected] (614) 446-1693

 

Reaction of OEC Deputy Director Jack Shaner to today’s announcement by the Federal Railroad Administration that it plans to redirect Ohio’s $400 million award to other states, in keeping with Ohio Governor-Elect John Kasich’s vow to kill the 3C train:

 

“Tonight, a lonely train whistle will sound across Ohio, signaling the high-speed departure of jobs and development and other valuable cargo, outbound to enrich other states.

 

“The anti-public transportation crowd can sleep tight tonight, smug and secure that the 3C line may continue to carry only lumps of coal and freight for the foreseeable future while other states’ transportation stockings get stuffed with millions of dollars of investment.

 

“The Buckeyes may rule the gridiron, but the Buckeye State just fumbled away a $400 million investment opportunity.  Commerce, convenient travel, and energy conservation –that’s the real 3Cs that Ohio turned over today.

 

“There may yet be one last glimmer of hope.  The Dayton Daily News reported today (http://bit.ly/em8xpo) about a possible effort by private investors and local governments to fund and operate the 3C train.  Such locally-led, public-private partnerships exist in California and Minnesota.

 

“For that to happen, Ohio needs to complete the engineering studies on the 3C.  This will give definitive, detailed information about speed, ridership, revenue and costs and benefits.  That, in turn, will better enable local governments and prospective private investors to make well-informed decisions about whether and how to move forward.

 

”We urge all involved to give this one last chance a try.”

 

 

Jack Shaner

Deputy Director and Senior Director of Legislative and Public Affairs

Ohio Environmental Council

Desk: 614-487-5822

Cell: 614-446-1693

KJP--not the end as in "the end"---i did mean of THIS time around. is the $400m definitely gone, that is, is it done deal that Ohio has lost it or is it what the gov't PLANS to do if strickland doesn't act fast?

Not like this will make a difference now, but it still felt good sending it to Mr. K and Beth Hansen

 

 

"Dear Governor Kasich,

 

 

For shame. Based on today's decision by the Federal Government and Mr. Lahood's announcement, I am now considering long-term options for moving my company out of the state. Your needlessly killing this rail project isn't the only reason, but it certainly indicates the direction of Ohio during your tenure, and that is not one I care to partake."

 

Even better is sending it as a LTTE to your local paper.

KJP--not the end as in "the end"---i did mean of THIS time around. is the $400m definitely gone, that is, is it done deal that Ohio has lost it or is it what the gov't PLANS to do if strickland doesn't act fast?

 

Yeah, I know. I'm just in a feisty mood today for some reason. And no, the $400 million isn't definitely gone for the reasons stated in our All Aboard Ohio press release.

I think one thing that gets overlooked is the fact that Columbus acts as a microcosm of the state and the writing was on the wall with the (somewhat) recently rejected the streetcar and light rail previously, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion for where the state as a whole was going with regards to statewide rail. Even Cincy has had to fight tooth and nail for their streetcar line, leaving Cleveland as an anomaly with their rail system. When even your urban residents aren't aboard (that hurt to type), such a major rail project has no chance in hell.

 

I have to say that reading the comments on the loss of the $400 from Rs is hilarious; they talk about how it would have cost $17 million a year (in caps of course). I suppose they're going to get their $1.7 billion worth of a 2+ mile stretch of highway in Downtown Columbus and drive up and down it regularly to show what a wonderfully thought out expense it was.

Yeah' date=' I know. I'm just in a feisty mood today for some reason. And no, the $400 million isn't definitely gone for the reasons stated in our All Aboard Ohio press release.[/quote']

 

KJP--I finally found the release ( http://www.dot.gov/affairs/2010/dot20810.html ). I hope you're right. The way its written, it sounds like a done deal (caps and brackets are my edits):

 

--U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today announced that $1.195 billion in high-speed rail funds originally designated for Wisconsin and Ohio WILL BE [not may be] redirected to other states

 

--The $1.195 billion originally designated for those high-speed rail projects in Wisconsin and Ohio WILL [NOT MAY] now be used to support projects in the following states...

A press release is not a contract, obviously. To underscore that, check out this language from a press release/fact sheet issued less than one year ago:

 

 

Awardees : Ohio Department of Transportation

Total Approximate Funding (entire corridor) : $400,000,000

Benefiting State : Ohio

Miles of Track : New - 250 miles

 

This new corridor connects four major metropolitan areas in Ohio: Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati. This significant route, named the “3C Corridor,” has a length of 250 miles and will serve communities near Lake Erie, in Central Ohio, and the Tri-State region around Cincinnati. These metropolitan areas are among the largest in the United States that are currently not served by passenger rail.

 

....This investment will fund a number of projects across the state, including track upgrades, grade crossings, new stations, and maintenance facilities. This project will also include planning for necessary equipment that can support future service improvements.

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/fact-sheet-high-speed-intercity-passenger-rail-program-cleveland-columbus

This looks like a tactical move from the Dems.  Either get on board or REALLY lose your funding.  And you don't have too much time to play around anymore, Kasich.

KJP--ok...I hope so.

Some media folks have asked me why the USDOT's action was premature. One reason was that we have an alternative plan that has promise. But another one that I underscored is that no sitting Ohio governor has canceled the 3C rail project.

 

Many have been joking that Kasich has been acting like governor for a month. So Obama's USDOT just gave Kasich the power of a governor BEFORE he was sworn in as one.

The Obama admin gave the money to the STATE OF OHIO----not Mr. Kasich. So if any Dayton type plan would work its gotta be finalized under Strickland, before Kasich officially represents the state of ohio. that is, unless, Strickland, just gives up, which is how it sounds in this reuters article:

 

"...Ted Strickland, Ohio's outgoing governor, said he was disappointed and said the state could regret the decision. "Today is one of the saddest days during my four years as governor because I see jobs leaving Ohio, I see resources leaving Ohio, I see vital infrastructure leaving Ohio," Strickland, a Democrat, said in a statement..."

 

He's not saying, 'i'm gonna fight this or there is still a way'....he's just saying 'well, its over'....

^ You're over-analyzing.

The frustrating, infuriating part will come when Governors-elect Kasich and Walker successfully spin the whole fiasco to pin the blame on the intransigent federal officials who refused to allow them to repurpose the money. Instead of paying the consequences of their short-sighted pandering, they'll exploit the situation to enhance their standing and further undermine passenger rail advocates, and it will work. It's Karl-Rovian strategy, and it's been eminently effective in the past and likely will continue to be.

This looks like a tactical move from the Dems.  Either get on board or REALLY lose your funding.  And you don't have too much time to play around anymore, Kasich.

 

There may be some truth to this, but for one thing, I doubt that Kasich is going to have a change of heart (even now knowing that the administration really would call his bluff ... Ohio's status as a presidential battleground state does not mean that the administration will be completely supine vis-a-vis requests from Ohio, particularly from the GOP), and for another, I really do think that that press release politically committed Obama to sending the money to those other states.  Legally, no--as was pointed out, press releases are not contracts.  Nevertheless, they can absolutely form the basis of political commitments (which is why they are more often than not mealy-mouthed and noncommittal).

I really do think that that press release politically committed Obama to sending the money to those other states. Legally, no--as was pointed out, press releases are not contracts. Nevertheless, they can absolutely form the basis of political commitments (which is why they are more often than not mealy-mouthed and noncommittal).

 

Agreed, I thought it was political gamesmanship before the actual press releases started flying.

"The other $14.9 million for 3C preliminary engineering is under a grant agreement with ODOT and cannot simply be taken away.”

 

So is this study definitely going to be completed or can we assume that Kasich will shut this down before we can see favorable results from it?  When is the estimated completion date for the study?

This has pissed me off so much!  Kasich isn't even governor yet and he is already fucking us over!

I am seriously ready to throw up and at a loss for even the most hopeful of words...

From a Gov. Strickland press release.......

 

For Immediate Release:                                            Contact: Amanda Wurst

Thursday, December 9, 2010                                       614 644-0957/614 832-7512

                                                                                    [email protected]

 

 

Ohios Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs

 

Columbus, OH Ohio Governor Ted Strickland today expressed his deep disappointment that Ohios rail funds will be given to other states as a result of Governor-elect John Kasichs strong opposition to Ohios passenger rail plan. 

 

In a phone conversation today, Secretary LaHood informed the governor that, based on his conversations with Kasich, the bulk of Ohios $400 million will be sent to California and Florida.  Washington State, Illinois and other states are also expected to benefit.

 

Today is one of the saddest days during my four years as governor, Strickland said.  Because I see jobs leaving Ohio, I see resources leaving Ohio, I see vital infrastructure leaving Ohio.  And I see other states being enriched by resources that would otherwise have created thousands of new jobs, revitalized our cities and helped keep our young people in Ohio.  I cant understand the logic of giving up these vital, job-creating resources to California and Florida at a time when so many Ohioans need jobs.

 

Ohio competed against other states and won $400 million based on the strength of Ohios plan to restore passenger rail to the most densely populated corridor in the country without passenger rail, the Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati, or 3C-D, corridor.  Strickland offered to work closely with the U.S. Department of Transportation to wrap up the current passenger rail study currently underway.

 

I fear that history will show that this one, uninformed decision will be looked upon with regret by future generations of Ohioans, Strickland said.

 

--30--

 

With all due respect Governor, perhaps if you had fought harder for your initiative BEFORE the election.....

This whole ordeal shows what is wrong with the american political system today.  Obstructionism is used as much as it can be and not getting things done is seen as preferable to anything happening that makes an opponent look good.  I may be biased but I would have to say that most of this is coming from the Republican side although Democrats are guilty to some extent too.  Today's politicians care far more about getting elected than doing anything useful, all common sense is thrown out if it will win them one more vote.  Partisanship is at an all time high and with no compromise nothing is getting done.  Ok, I am done with my rant but I just feel that the Kasich/3-c ordeal is a sign of bigger structural government problems.

3C, DADT, Tax cut/Unemployment extensions...

Today has been all about obstructionism.

 

Saving grace: $35m for the Cincinnati streetcar! :D

Kind of a shame about Ohio; that link between Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland is a natural.

 

Oh, well...Republicans being what they are, of course they would work to make Big Oil happy in the now and so condemn the people of Ohio forevermore.

 

It ain't like oil is a fixed cost...even if it doesn't run out, demand and the speculation of those few whose liquidity benefits from the Republicans' wealth redistribution policy of "flood-up/trickle-down" economics will ensure that the price of commuting between those cities becomes prohibitive.

 

The problem with putting Republicans into office is that the ones who were great businessmen and visionaries? The ones who built things to last?

 

They're all dead; all the Republicans have now are myopic grifters.

via comments section at:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/09/105057/california-to-get-high-speed-rail.html#ixzz17g2ddrUJ

From a Gov. Strickland press release.......

 

For Immediate Release: Contact: Amanda Wurst

Thursday, December 9, 2010 614 644-0957/614 832-7512

[email protected]

 

 

Ohios Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs

 

Columbus, OH Ohio Governor Ted Strickland today expressed his deep disappointment that Ohios rail funds will be given to other states as a result of Governor-elect John Kasichs strong opposition to Ohios passenger rail plan.

 

In a phone conversation today, Secretary LaHood informed the governor that, based on his conversations with Kasich, the bulk of Ohios $400 million will be sent to California and Florida. Washington State, Illinois and other states are also expected to benefit.

 

Today is one of the saddest days during my four years as governor, Strickland said. Because I see jobs leaving Ohio, I see resources leaving Ohio, I see vital infrastructure leaving Ohio. And I see other states being enriched by resources that would otherwise have created thousands of new jobs, revitalized our cities and helped keep our young people in Ohio. I cant understand the logic of giving up these vital, job-creating resources to California and Florida at a time when so many Ohioans need jobs.

 

Ohio competed against other states and won $400 million based on the strength of Ohios plan to restore passenger rail to the most densely populated corridor in the country without passenger rail, the Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati, or 3C-D, corridor. Strickland offered to work closely with the U.S. Department of Transportation to wrap up the current passenger rail study currently underway.

 

I fear that history will show that this one, uninformed decision will be looked upon with regret by future generations of Ohioans, Strickland said.

 

--30--

 

With all due respect Governor, perhaps if you had fought harder for your initiative BEFORE the election.....

 

I would have to agree with this statement.  Strickland should have pressed this issue during the election and done a better job of properly informing the public with the right facts. 

Agreed....and add to that...so should the media we lack, had done. But the next question is where do we go from here? Its all certainly worth fighting for.

Agreed....and add to that...so should the media we lack, had done. But the next question is where do we go from here? Its all certainly worth fighting for.

 

We build up a supporting base for this kind of project. Elect officials who support rail, amongst many other things. Elect uncorrupt citizens and await the doubling of oil prices by 2015. And when we want to gloat over the naysayers, we have to continue to push for change. 

You know, I caught a lot of flack for voting for Strickland. He was the first Democrat I voted for. I'm not a big fan of him, but every tim Kasich opens his mouth, I feel glad I made that decision despite the outcome. No thanks Johnny boy.

Nice to know Ohio's $$$$ are finding good homes.....you're welcome Senator Durbin.

 

http://durbin.senate.gov/showRelease.cfm?releaseId=328933

 

Durbin Announces $42.3 Million in Additional High Speed Rail Funding for Illinois

 

Thursday, December 9, 2010

 

Funding rejected by Ohio and Wisconsin will improve Chicago to St. Louis route

 

[WASHINGTON, D.C.] – U.S. Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) today announced that Illinois will receive $42.3 million in additional high speed rail funding to finance track and other improvements on the Chicago to St. Louis corridor. Earlier today the Secretary of the Department of Transportation, Ray LaHood, reprogrammed a total of $1.2 billion in funding that was rejected by the incoming governors of Ohio and Wisconsin.

 

“Illinois will be able to use this funding to break ground on projects that were included in the state’s application for high speed rail along the Chicago to St. Louis corridor, but not funded earlier this year,” said Durbin. “Improvements to the route will decrease travel times even further and create jobs that our state badly needs.”

 

Durbin, a member of the Senate Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, announced in January that more than $1.2 billion in federal high speed rail funding was allocated for the Chicago to St. Louis corridor. Durbin has worked closely with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Federal Railroad Administrator Joe Szabo, Amtrak Board Chairman Tom Carper, Members of the Illinois Congressional Delegation and others to make high speed rail a reality in Illinois.

 

In October, Durbin and Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) announced that $230 million in federal funding was awarded for a new Amtrak route between Chicago and Iowa City through the Quad Cities. The project – scheduled for completion in 2015 – will create 588 jobs per year for the first four years of design and construction. Once initiated, the new service is expected to increase business activity at $25 million per year. Durbin also supports the State of Illinois’ plan to extend Amtrak service from Chicago to Rockford and the Quad Cities.

 

Maine, Vt. to get more rail project funding

The Associated Press

 

 

MONTPELIER, Vt. — Passenger rail projects in Maine and Vermont are going to be getting another financial boost from the federal government.

 

The U.S. Department of Transportation has $1.2 billion in stimulus funding that had been intended for high-speed rail projects in Wisconsin and Ohio. But those states don't want to move forward with the projects.

 

Read more at: http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-Vt-to-get-more-rail-project-funding-.html

 

Lumps of coal for the 3C and sugarplums for the golden states as jobs and commerce set for high-speed departure from Ohio

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Thursday, December 9, 2010

CONTACT:  Jack Shaner, Ohio Environmental Council [email protected] (614) 446-1693

 

Reaction of OEC Deputy Director Jack Shaner to today’s announcement by the Federal Railroad Administration that it plans to redirect Ohio’s $400 million award to other states, in keeping with Ohio Governor-Elect John Kasich’s vow to kill the 3C train:

 

“Tonight, a lonely train whistle will sound across Ohio, signaling the high-speed departure of jobs and development and other valuable cargo, outbound to enrich other states.

 

“The anti-public transportation crowd can sleep tight tonight, smug and secure that the 3C line may continue to carry only lumps of coal and freight for the foreseeable future while other states’ transportation stockings get stuffed with millions of dollars of investment.

 

“The Buckeyes may rule the gridiron, but the Buckeye State just fumbled away a $400 million investment opportunity.  Commerce, convenient travel, and energy conservation –that’s the real 3Cs that Ohio turned over today.

 

“There may yet be one last glimmer of hope.  The Dayton Daily News reported today (http://bit.ly/em8xpo) about a possible effort by private investors and local governments to fund and operate the 3C train.  Such locally-led, public-private partnerships exist in California and Minnesota.

 

“For that to happen, Ohio needs to complete the engineering studies on the 3C.  This will give definitive, detailed information about speed, ridership, revenue and costs and benefits.  That, in turn, will better enable local governments and prospective private investors to make well-informed decisions about whether and how to move forward.

 

”We urge all involved to give this one last chance a try.”

 

 

Jack Shaner

Deputy Director and Senior Director of Legislative and Public Affairs

So I'm listening to NPR this am, and who do I hear, but our own regional rail expert! Nice interview with our own KJP on NPR this morning. (he's on about 2 minutes in)

 

Federal Government Pulls Rail Service Money

 

The federal government is pulling the millions of dollars it has given Ohio to establish passenger rail service here because it's clear incoming Republican Governor John Kasich won't support the plan. The feds say the money that's been set aside for Ohio will now go to other states. But one group that's been pushing for the train says it's not taking "no" for an answer, yet. Ohio Public Radio's Jo Ingles reports.

 

 

 

http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/37348

And Ohio makes the New York Times....for all the wrong reasons...

 

More U.S. Rail Funds for 13 States as 2 Reject Aid

By MICHAEL COOPER

 

Ohio and Wisconsin’s loss of $1.2 billion in federal stimulus money for rail projects will be California, Florida and 11 other states’ gain.

 

Ohio and Wisconsin sought and won the stimulus money this year to build new rail lines to create jobs, ease traffic and help the environment. But both states elected new Republican governors last month who vowed to kill the train projects, arguing that they were boondoggles that would require annual state subsidies to operate.

 

Now both states, which have been hit hard by the economic downturn, are losing the money. The federal Department of Transportation announced Thursday that it was rescinding the $810 million that had been awarded to Wisconsin to build a train line from Milwaukee to Madison, and the $385 million that was awarded to Ohio to build a train line linking Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland.

 

Full story at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/us/10rail.html?_r=1&ref=us

Guest Column in the Plain Dealer from Gov. Strickland.... good points, but (again) why didn't he stand up this stongly during a tight campaign race when he had the chance to win it?

 

Ohio's outgoing governor defends high-speed rail: Ted Strickland

Published: Friday, December 10, 2010, 7:00 AM

Plain Dealer guest columnist

 

By Ted Strickland

 

Columbus -- Ohio fought hard against other states to win this $400 million award in order to create jobs and economic opportunity in our state. Because so much incomplete and inaccurate information has developed around this project, it's important to separate myths from facts:

 

Myth No. 1: The Ohio trains would run at 39 mph.

 

Fact: The 3C&D "Quick Start" would be a 79 mph train. In fact, the train would run at 79 mph for 70 percent of a trip from Cleveland to Cincinnati. This 79-mph system would provide the foundation for a higher-speed system, allowing speeds to be increased incrementally, over time, as has been done in other states. Top speeds initially will be limited to 79 mph, but speeds could be increased to up to 90 mph for much of the trip between Cleveland and Columbus, based on Ohio's memorandum of understanding with CSX.

 

 

Full column at: http://blog.cleveland.com/opinion_impact/print.html?entry=/2010/12/ohios_outgoing_governor_defend.html

^That was at the bottom section of the letter sent to Kasich from the Governor a few days ago.  The PD just now picked it up- AFTER the fact.

Martin Gottlieb: 3C salvage effort can’t save Ohio from itself

By the Dayton Daily News | Thursday, December 9, 2010, 06:16 PM

 

The most recent efforts to save the 3C passenger train always had certain aspects of a Hail Mary pass. That’s the football maneuver whereby a team that needs a touchdown in the last few seconds of a game tries a pass that’s so long the chances for success are minimal.

 

And yet, the pass metaphor isn’t quite right. The 3C salvage effort wasn’t really one long pass. It was a bunch of small efforts, each of which had to work out. And each — standing alone — seemed more or less doable.

 

The problem at hand was, of course, that Gov.-elect John Kasich

 

Full column at: http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/opinion/entries/2010/12/09/martin_gottlieb_3c_salvage_eff.html?cxtype=feedbot

The whole scenario makes me want to support what little rail we DO have even more, even if I have to stand out in freexzing weather waitj ng for Amtrak at 3:00 AM.

 

 

Still, all the propaganda surrounding this is saying all is a dead deal for Ohio. HOW, when he is not technically even Governor yet, can this happen soooo quickly, after how long it has taken to build this campaign and all surrounding it? It seems really odd that since and while other states are salivating at the chance to get this money, we suddenly see a myriad of articles and press releases saying that they will get it. Is there no time for appeal? Discussion, etc? It all seems odd and shady. It seems that All Aboard Ohio has indicated that its not over 'til its over...and we still see the press we are seeing....and the article above, appears just now? What in the HELL is going on?

 

 

Yes, I see it now...while other states develop rail and move forward environmentally, socially, and economically..... and oil prices increase, Ohio markets and people are bypassed leaving the state in a downward decline. That thought is sickening. For goodness sakes, there was more of a media covered and noticeable effort in Cleveland, for example, to keep LeBron James here and build a casino. The priorities really seem mixed up.

Agreed....and add to that...so should the media we lack, had done. But the next question is where do we go from here? Its all certainly worth fighting for.

 

Push for the formation of a 3C Joint Powers Authority which can be created by each participating entity passing interlocal agreements (MOUs). These can be municipalities, counties, transit authorities, port authorities, etc.

 

http://freepdfhosting.com/bd173f3a6e.pdf

 

For examples of other JPAs, check out:

 

www.capitolcorridor.org/

www.northernlightsexpress.org/

 

The first priority of the JPA is to keep the $14.9 million USDOT preliminary engineering grant here in Ohio and in force for Ohio's 3C Corridor.

Good start. So frustrating.....Maybe when the Iraqi Dinar re-evaluates there will be enough money in the global economy to stimulate a private development of this here and right a lot of wrongs. A friend of mine who is really familiar with this seems to think so. I am in no way in a knowledgeable position to explain it as he could though, but what he said really made sense, or so I'd like to believe. Its obvious we have no leadership, well informed minds or vision on this initiative from a Governor position. Just grasping at straws here. I have little clue about this currency thing.

Is Ohio really this dense? Really? Who elected this guy?

 

 

Anyway - as someone who lives in Washington state, we thank you Ohio and Wisconsin :)

I don't think it is really so much of an Ohio thing...although this certainly makes it look like it. I was indicating just that in several earlier posts when I was fuming..... Rather, I have gotten the feeling that a big part of this is a media that greatly under-provides the facts to the public.

 

Its loyalty is to those who pay their bills/sponsors...and NOT to properly informing the public at large. We live in a political environment where some chose to alter the facts to fit their opinions, rather than alter their opinions to fit the facts. "Fair and Balanced" does not mean factual and accurate. But this is the norm for the mainstream media country-wide, though.

 

If we had a truly "liberal media" as often as people like Rush spew we do, you'd be seeing this Kasich kills rail thing on expose shows and prints continuously, hammering him with hard core questions and demanding accountability, exposing the facts from fictions.

 

When you don't have the right information disseminated, you get a poorly informed public at large. It leaves one's self to seek it out.... as it surely isn't coming to them from the boob tube media. Naturally, this is just my opinion!  :wink:

Please Join Lorain County Commissioners Betty Blair, Lori Kokoski, and Ted Kalo for

 

The Ribbon Cutting Ceremony

 

Thursday, December 16, 2010

5:30 - 6 p.m.

The County Transportation Center

40 East Avenue, Elyria, Ohio 44035

 

Immediately following the Ribbon Cutting Join Us for

Lorain County Growth Partnership’s Holiday Celebration

6 – 8:30 p.m.

 

RSVP Online at www.lorainccc.edu/lcgpholiday

_________

 

Lorain County Growth Partnership’s

Holiday Celebration

 

The Grand Opening of The Lorain County Transportation Center

 

The Lorain County Transportation Center project was a true historical rehabilitation of the New York Central Train Station. The building was designed by Steward Wagner and Alfred Fellehimer in the grand neoclassical style of the period and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Thousands of Elyrians attended the gala open house for the station on April 6, 1925. Over 75 years later, the Lorain County Board of Commissioners purchased the building and in the tradition of new urbanism, rejuvenated this historic structure to its original grandeur by providing a multi-purpose facility that enhances the integration and connectivity between employers and our available workforce.

The poll on Cleveland.com right now (everyone here should vote: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/12/will_ohio_regret_loss_of_passe.html) is infuriating.  The only no option on the poll should be "No, it would be better for that $400 Million of federal money to be spent in another state."

necron99 December 10, 2010 at 1:41PM

 

All we have to do is sell 3 F-22's to Japan and we are good to go.

 

LOL

 

 

Memo to: Governor-elect Kasich

Subject: Killing the 3C Project

 

Don't look now, but the sound you'll soon be hearing is more $$$ being sucked from the wallets of Ohioans at the gasoline pumps, and when you take the oath of office in January, what answer will you have for them about why you cancelled the 3C passenger rail project and pretty much doomed any future transportation options?

 

Don't believe it?  Read this excerpt from today's USA Today...

 

"A move through $90 a barrel seems very likely, and

then we could quickly test $100," says Telvent DTN

senior energy analyst Darin Newsom. "You could

easily see a 15- to 20-cent rise (in gas prices) the

next three weeks, if not sooner."

 

Consumers are unlikely to get a break anytime soon.

"I don't see anything that's going to turn this puppy

around and send it south," says Cameron Hanover

industry analyst Peter Beutel. "For the next two to 12

weeks, the forecast is higher prices."

 

Gas prices on track for unseasonable spike

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2010-12-10-1Agasprices10_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

 

3C won't be the busiest travel corridor between Midwest metro areas much longer, and the state's economy will suffer greatly for it.

 

  Earlier in this thread I posted a comment about the emphasis on job creation rather than mobility, environmental benefits, or other reasons to build the 3-C.

 

    What did the press release say?

 

  "Ohio’s Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs"

 

    The real purpose of public projects is not necessarily to provide some public benefit, but to transfer wealth from one group to another.

 

    This forum, having a lot of urban planner types, tends to focus on the technical aspects of the project, when the motivations of the politicians on both sides are clearly political.

 

The 3C had absolutely nothing to do with a purported "transfer of wealth".  Can we leave that talking point out of just this debate, if nothing else.  Next thing we know, someone will manufacture a strawman argument tying states rights into this discussion.  Or muslims.