November 4, 201014 yr ^^^ and ^^^^ I think the call for impeachment is a bit too firey. Sounds like extremism, and turns people off. Agreed. Impeachment is the bringing of charges, not the nullification of an election or removal from office. Clinton was impeached, and he remained in office because no justification for removal could be substantiated. Kasich isn't even in office yet. There has to be substantial reason to argue that he has engaged in some sort of prohibited conduct in office in order to be impeached. If there's anything in his past that would have disqualified him as a candidate, it probably would have been found and used during the campaign.
November 4, 201014 yr WLWT.com Supporters: Passenger Rail Not Dead Yet Proponents Think They Can Convince Kasich To Support Plan Reported by John London // E-mail POSTED: 9:45 am EDT November 4, 2010 CINCINNATI -- No heads are slumped at All Aboard Ohio after Tuesday night's election results. Despite the declaration by Ohio Gov.-elect John Kasich that the 3C Rail Project is dead, Ken Prendergast remains optimistic. The executive director of the agency told News 5 that "No one has pulled the ejection handle on 3C yet." Read more at: http://www.wlwt.com/news/25631945/detail.html
November 4, 201014 yr Change in politics means change in Ohio's plans for transportation Posted: Nov 03, 2010 8:34 PM EDT Updated: Nov 04, 2010 7:47 AM EDT By Kimberly Holmes – bio | email CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) - Just hours after the mid-term elections, it looks like the shift in power will mean a different direction for two major transportation projects in Ohio: the Cincinnati Streetcar and the 3C passenger rail project. On Wednesday, Ohio Governor-Elect John Kasich told reporters he's putting the brakes on one. The rail project is a plan to take more cars off the roads, while connecting Cincinnati to Columbus and Cleveland. However, right now, Ohio's new top man says the train will not leave the station. Full story at: http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=13441869&clienttype=printable
November 4, 201014 yr Oberstar defeat ends era of transportation policy influence by Dan Olson, Minnesota Public Radio November 4, 2010 St. Paul, Minn. — After 36 years in Congress, Rep. Jim Oberstar's defeat means the loss of a lot of clout for Minnesota transportation projects on Capitol Hill. Oberstar became the chairman of the House Transportation Committee in 2007. While Rep. Tim Walz will still have a seat on the committee as Republicans assume control of the House, a major chapter of Minnesota influence on national transportation policy is coming to a close. Oberstar told reporters in Duluth Wednesday he has no regrets about votes over his nearly four decades in Congress that brought home millions of dollars for Minnesota transportation projects. He rattled of a list of accomplishments. Read more and audio link at: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/11/04/house-transportation/ Mica seeks "better-directed” HSR program Thursday, November 04, 2010 Rep. John L. Mica of Florida, the Republican leader of the House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee, said Wednesday that if he is named chairman of the committee, a priority will be “cost-effective passenger rail transportation, including a better directed high speed rail program.” He also called for “a long-term federal highway and transit reauthorization” and said he would try to “speed up the process by which infrastructure projects are approved, and free up any infrastructure funding that’s been sitting idle.” Read more at: http://www.railwayage.com/breaking-news/mica-seeks-better-directed-hsr-program.html
November 4, 201014 yr With GOP gains, transportation projects could slow Thursday, November 04, 2010 By Jon Schmitz, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette High-speed trains flew off the tracks in at least two states and prospects grew cloudier for mass transit, bike trails and transportation in general as Tuesday's election returns poured in. Ohio and Wisconsin, which in January won a combined $1.2 billion in high-speed rail grants from the Obama administration, both elected governors who have vowed to stop the projects. Voters in Minnesota ousted a leading advocate of increased federal transportation funding, longtime U.S. Rep. James L. Oberstar, chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, who had pushed a six-year, $500 billion program to improve the nation's infrastructure. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10308/1100529-147.stm#ixzz14L6IsBwQ
November 4, 201014 yr Where were those writers before the election? Its nice when people print entire quotes.
November 4, 201014 yr I think the key, like Johio mentioned, is shifting the message as to why we need 3-C. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39970363/ns/business-autos/
November 4, 201014 yr Great article about a recent survey pertaining to HSR potential riders, and the current political setbacks. [from the infrastructurist.com] http://www.infrastructurist.com/2010/11/04/elections-cloud-high-speed-rails-future-just-as-new-survey-shows-its-potential/
November 4, 201014 yr I think the key, like Johio mentioned, is shifting the message as to why we need 3-C. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39970363/ns/business-autos/ The freedom to accomplish things while traveling is a great reason to ditch one's car. I'll be ditching my car when I move to DC in 2 weeks. Hello NE Corridor!
November 5, 201014 yr "My hope is that when QE2 starts, the weakening dollar will cause a spike in the price of gas..." Be careful what you wish for! Increasing the price of gasoline will not necessarily favor the proposed 3-C line.
November 5, 201014 yr I searched the past two pages and didn't think that this was posted yet. Looks like the Plain Dealer editorial board has softened their stance and become more realistic now that the election is done? A very short statement of support is included in this editorial near the very end. Kasich takes Ohio's helm: editorial Published: Thursday, November 04, 2010, 4:31 AM The Plain Dealer Editorial Board After being elected Ohio's next governor this week, following a bare-knuckles campaign against incumbent Ted Strickland, Republican John Kasich may be wondering just why he wanted the job. ......... In the campaign, Kasich talked about getting more dollars into elementary and secondary-school classrooms; he needs to deliver. Strickland's initiatives to expand green-energy jobs and investment in Ohio are paying off; Kasich should give them a chance to prove themselves. Likewise, it would be foolhardy to turn back $400 million in federal rail money that other states would snap up to increase their relative economic advantage. ...... Full editorial at http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/11/kasich_takes_ohios_helm_editor.html
November 5, 201014 yr Is there any potential for Strickland and/or the lame duck legislature to do something before the Republican wave gets inaugurated? If Ohio could commit to the funding in some sort of federal agreement, it seems more likely to happen. Strickland would really have nothing to lose, and it would certainly give him a last hurrah on the left and with moderates. Meanwhile, I can't imagine that Kasich would spend a significant amount of political capital right out the gate trying to get said agreement nullified ... It would be very high-visibility turning down of money and would give rail advocates a much higher visibility for their cause ... Two things I can't imagine he wants in his first few months. In some ways, it gives him some cover ... "I don't support this decision, but my hands are tied. In the future, Ohio will not go after this type of federal funds, etc."
November 5, 201014 yr This is what sparked that idea ... Wisconsin Advances High-Speed Rail Plan Wall Street Journal November 2, 2010 By AMY MERRICK Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle's administration quietly signed a deal with the federal government over the weekend committing the state to spending the full $810 million in federal money granted for a high-speed passenger-rail line between Milwaukee and Madison. The agreement could make it more difficult for Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, the Republican candidate for governor, to stop construction of the rail line if he is elected. Mr. Walker made the train a key issue in his campaign, even setting up a website, NoTrain.com, dedicated to the issue. In polls, Mr. Walker has been leading his opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, a Democrat who supports the high-speed rail line ... ... More available at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704462704575590550329340266.html?mod=googlenews_wsj.
November 5, 201014 yr This is what sparked that idea ... Wisconsin Advances High-Speed Rail Plan Wall Street Journal November 2, 2010 By AMY MERRICK Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle's administration quietly signed a deal with the federal government over the weekend committing the state to spending the full $810 million in federal money granted for a high-speed passenger-rail line between Milwaukee and Madison. The agreement could make it more difficult for Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, the Republican candidate for governor, to stop construction of the rail line if he is elected. Mr. Walker made the train a key issue in his campaign, even setting up a website, NoTrain.com, dedicated to the issue. In polls, Mr. Walker has been leading his opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, a Democrat who supports the high-speed rail line ... ... More available at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704462704575590550329340266.html?mod=googlenews_wsj. The situation in Wisconsin has changed: State halts work on high speed rail line http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/106705698.html
November 5, 201014 yr ^ :( Bummer. Nonetheless, I would think our position would be stronger if there were some letter of commitment for the funds. I would rather see Kasich have to back out of an existing federal agreement than to be able to get sworn in and then promptly walk to the nearest railroad track and take a sledgehammer to it.
November 5, 201014 yr I'm pretty sure any move forward would require approval by a super-majority on the Controlling Board. One of the three Republican members would have to go along with this plot of yours.
November 5, 201014 yr ^^I see what you're getting at, but I think that would just raise his ire for the project even more. Also, it gives him a more visible platform for when he claims to have killed one of "Obama's projects". I'm hoping that rail advocates will just lay low for the moment and use this time to put together a presentation that appeals to Kasich's conservative values. Stress how this will create construction jobs, development, and the like. Emphasize how one of the key roles of government is to build and maintain infrastructure. Work to get support from companies like CSX, to show how this represents a long needed improvement that can help them expand their business. Rather than deride highway spending, marry rail and highway development into essential improvements that will keep Ohioans mobile throughout the state, while emphasizing that rail gets an infinitesimal fraction of what highways receive. Most importantly, don't mention global warming, carbon footprints, reduction in driving, etc. He doesn't care about any of that, and frankly, there are enough non-environmental reasons for conservatives to support rail that it shouldn't matter. Anything beyond that is just a bonus. It's very important to show that rail improvements are needed, that Ohio is being left behind, and that they are part of the government's domain. This isn't a government handout; it's an investment in the future of American transportation.
November 5, 201014 yr ^^I see what you're getting at, but I think that would just raise his ire for the project even more. Also, it gives him a more visible platform for when he claims to have killed one of "Obama's projects". I'm hoping that rail advocates will just lay low for the moment and use this time to put together a presentation that appeals to Kasich's conservative values. Stress how this will create construction jobs, development, and the like. Emphasize how one of the key roles of government is to build and maintain infrastructure. Work to get support from companies like CSX, to show how this represents a long needed improvement that can help them expand their business. Rather than deride highway spending, marry rail and highway development into essential improvements that will keep Ohioans mobile throughout the state, while emphasizing that rail gets an infinitesimal fraction of what highways receive. Most importantly, don't mention global warming, carbon footprints, reduction in driving, etc. He doesn't care about any of that, and frankly, there are enough non-environmental reasons for conservatives to support rail that it shouldn't matter. Anything beyond that is just a bonus. It's very important to show that rail improvements are needed, that Ohio is being left behind, and that they are part of the government's domain. This isn't a government handout; it's an investment in the future of American transportation. All good points, but one thing..... he better learn why he needs to care about that which he doesn't, because a hell of a lot of people actually do...contrary to what the conservative owned mainstream boob media portrays. Not caring will cost us a whole new frontier of economic development in the green front. It may behoove him to start learning about "conserving" and using wisely and efficiently the very source that sustains his a!! and the economy, that without...would not exist.
November 5, 201014 yr ^True, but I'm just talking about how to sway him on the 3C plan. What he does or doesn't do beyond that is another conversation entirely. Also, they might consider rethinking the speed of the trains. A lot of conservatives think that the project is a waste because the trip isn't time-competitive with driving. I know it's a tall order, and possibly isn't realistic, but Kasich might be more agreeable to 100+ MPH trains than he is to the current proposal.
November 5, 201014 yr Related question that has probably been answered - how much would it cost to get the trains running between 110-125 for short bursts (I'd think between Cleveland and Columbus would be the most likely stretch to get the highest speed).
November 5, 201014 yr ^True, but I'm just talking about how to sway him on the 3C plan. What he does or doesn't do beyond that is another conversation entirely. Also, they might consider rethinking the speed of the trains. A lot of conservatives think that the project is a waste because the trip isn't time-competitive with driving. I know it's a tall order, and possibly isn't realistic, but Kasich might be more agreeable to 100+ MPH trains than he is to the current proposal. Maybe he'll slash the budget so he can spend a ton of the money the state saved to supplement the $400 million and install a high-speed rail line. Or maybe not.
November 5, 201014 yr Related question that has probably been answered - how much would it cost to get the trains running between 110-125 for short bursts (I'd think between Cleveland and Columbus would be the most likely stretch to get the highest speed). $1.2-billion to build out the 250-mile 3C Corridor to 110-MPH service (according to the ORDC's Ohio Hub Plan from 2007). By contrast.... $1.6-billion (and counting) to engineer and build the 2-mile long I-70-71 "Split" in downtown Columbus.
November 5, 201014 yr $1.2-billion to build out the 250-mile 3C Corridor to 110-MPH service (according to the ORDC's Ohio Hub Plan from 2007). $400 million + $810 million from Wisconsin = HSR that Republicans may support?
November 5, 201014 yr My feeling is that very few of the people who use the "too slow" objection would support a faster train. Stating this pbjection is just a political game. I also wonder if operational and estimated ticket costs would be more for a faster train. Oh, and then there's the issue of where the money comes from. If they won't take a no-strings $4m from the feds, how would Republicans react to a proposal which isn't fully funded by federal dollars?
November 5, 201014 yr ^^I see what you're getting at, but I think that would just raise his ire for the project even more. Also, it gives him a more visible platform for when he claims to have killed one of "Obama's projects". I'm hoping that rail advocates will just lay low for the moment and use this time to put together a presentation that appeals to Kasich's conservative values. Stress how this will create construction jobs, development, and the like. Emphasize how one of the key roles of government is to build and maintain infrastructure. Work to get support from companies like CSX, to show how this represents a long needed improvement that can help them expand their business. Rather than deride highway spending, marry rail and highway development into essential improvements that will keep Ohioans mobile throughout the state, while emphasizing that rail gets an infinitesimal fraction of what highways receive. Most importantly, don't mention global warming, carbon footprints, reduction in driving, etc. He doesn't care about any of that, and frankly, there are enough non-environmental reasons for conservatives to support rail that it shouldn't matter. Anything beyond that is just a bonus. It's very important to show that rail improvements are needed, that Ohio is being left behind, and that they are part of the government's domain. This isn't a government handout; it's an investment in the future of American transportation. All good points, but one thing..... he better learn why he needs to care about that which he doesn't, because a hell of a lot of people actually do...contrary to what the conservative owned mainstream boob media portrays. Not caring will cost us a whole new frontier of economic development in the green front. It may behoove him to start learning about "conserving" and using wisely and efficiently the very source that sustains his a!! and the economy, that without...would not exist. Wishful thinking.... politicians these days have no concept of "compromise" with views they disagree with. Its this stubbornness and inability to see both sides that keeps the country divided. Jimmy_James is correct, in order for this thing to have any chance, people must appeal to Kasich's conservative side and downplay the "liberal" arguments, for better or worse.
November 5, 201014 yr I can't seem to find it now, but the thing that really swayed me was the post Ken had with $$ in savings/revenue that this would generate. If those numbers could be verified by a non-biased 3rd party it may do a lot to sway detractors. Not saying Ken does bad work, but they could easily just say he's biased and fudging the numbers.
November 5, 201014 yr I also wonder if operational and estimated ticket costs would be more for a faster train. Yes....faster speeds require more engineering and heavier construction.... so the costs go up and fares need to help cover part of those costs.
November 5, 201014 yr I can't seem to find it now, but the thing that really swayed me was the post Ken had with $$ in savings/revenue that this would generate. If those numbers could be verified by a non-biased 3rd party it may do a lot to sway detractors. Not saying Ken does bad work, but they could easily just say he's biased and fudging the numbers. Here ya go. Take these to the Columbus Logistics Council and have them re-run the numbers... 3C Corridor Net Fiscal Impact on the State of Ohio - full report http://freepdfhosting.com/a3aaedcccb.pdf Net Fiscal Impact tables ONLY http://freepdfhosting.com/8c6a49a653.pdf But that earlier research probably understated the benefits in terms of freight rail impacts and highway cost savings from diverting more trucks from taxpayer-owned roads to stockholder-owned rails. This newser provides updated information on the potential highway savings from investing in 3C rails... http://freepdfhosting.com/0b7f72487b.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 201014 yr If Ohio pisses away the $400 million to another state, here's one that would probably jump all over it.... N.Y. should pursue rail money Published: 12:00 a.m., Friday, November 5, 2010 Recent conservative election victories could prove a boon to New York's effort to improve our inter-city passenger rail system. If the newly elected Republican governors of Wisconsin and Ohio follow through on their campaign promises not to take the money for high-speed rail that their states won from the federal stimulus program, then some $1.2 billion will be returned to the U.S. Department of Transportation, where it can be rewarded to other states. If New York were to receive a twelfth of that money, it would amount to $100 million. This would be enough to complete all the projects the state Department of Transportation submitted to the Federal Railroad Administration, including a fourth platform track at the Rensselaer station and a new station in Schenectady. READ MORE AT: http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/N-Y-should-pursue-rail-money-799173.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 201014 yr I would like to think that you could appeal to Kasich's "conservative values".... but I highly doubt that is the issue. It's a "looking for Waterloo" issue, not a "conservative values" one.
November 5, 201014 yr Daytonians plan to fight new governor over 3C Passenger Rail Ohio has received more than $400M in stimulus cash Updated: Thursday, 04 Nov 2010, 6:50 PM EDT Published : Thursday, 04 Nov 2010, 6:50 PM EDT Anthony Kiekow, [email protected] DAYTON, OH (WDTN) - Governor-Elect John Kasich was pretty clear about where he stands on the 3C Passenger Rail Plan during a press conference on Wednesday. That train is dead, he said. However, Maha Kashani, who lives in Dayton, said she wants to resurrect it. It would be great for the city and for all the young professionals here, she said. READ MORE AT: www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/daytonians-plan-to-fight-new-governor-for-putting-the-brakes-on-3c-rail-- "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 201014 yr Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland also need to band together on this. It may only be a symbolic effort, but it would send a powerful message.
November 5, 201014 yr Andrew Cuomo Wouldn't Mind Some Extra Federal Money By Reid Pillifant November 5, 2010 | 2:54 p.m In his first act as governor-elect, Andrew Cuomo just issued a press release saying he wouldn't mind sopping up some federal money from other states. Cuomo wrote a letter to Transportation Secretary Ray Lahood asking to be considered if newly-elected governors in Ohio and and Wisconsin turn down the money, as they've pledged to do. "High speed rail is critical to building the foundation for future economic growth, especially Upstate. If these Governors-Elect follow through on their promises to cancel these projects, a Cuomo Administration would move quickly to put the billions in rejected stimulus funding towards projects that would create thousands of good jobs for New Yorkers," Cuomo said in the release. READ MORE AT: http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/andrew-cuomo-wouldnt-mind-some-extra-federal-money "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 201014 yr Do something about it. And I don't mean take antacids. EDIT: and please note the seriousness of this as I've posted here... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2706.msg522625.html#msg522625 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 201014 yr Kasich (rhymes with "sick") campaign contact page: http://www.kasichforohio.com/site/c.hpIJKWOCJqG/b.5207517/k.2A93/Contact_Us/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp
November 5, 201014 yr Do something about it. What do you recommend? Contact your state legislators (Ohio Senate and Ohio House) in Columbus and speak from your heart.... http://www.ohiosenate.gov/ http://www.house.state.oh.us/ And, if applicable, remind your legislators of past GOP support. These are Republicans who voted for rail in 2006 but many were suddenly opposing it during the last campaign: http://freepdfhosting.com/50112ec035.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 6, 201014 yr 3C train dead in its tracks, Kasich tells StricklandSaturday, November 6, 2010 02:55 AM By James Nash THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Gov.-elect John Kasich is calling on Gov. Ted Strickland to immediately end two studies of the 3C passenger rail route across Ohio, saying the train plan is as good as dead under a Kasich administration. Strickland and his transportation director, Jolene Molitoris, should sever the 3C contracts right away, said Rob Nichols, a spokesman for Kasich. The governor-elect plans to communicate that in a letter to Strickland, Nichols said. Full story at: http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/11/06/copy/3ctraindeadinitstracks-kasich-tells-strickland.html?adsec=politics&sid=101
November 6, 201014 yr 3C train dead in its tracks, Kasich tells StricklandSaturday, November 6, 2010 02:55 AM By James Nash THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Gov.-elect John Kasich is calling on Gov. Ted Strickland to immediately end two studies of the 3C passenger rail route across Ohio, saying the train plan is as good as dead under a Kasich administration. Strickland and his transportation director, Jolene Molitoris, should sever the 3C contracts right away, said Rob Nichols, a spokesman for Kasich. The governor-elect plans to communicate that in a letter to Strickland, Nichols said. Full story at: http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/11/06/copy/3ctraindeadinitstracks-kasich-tells-strickland.html?adsec=politics&sid=101 But an excellent letter to the editor about the Dispatch's coverage of the 3C story.... Train article left much at the station Saturday, November 6, 2010 02:55 AM The Dispatch has done another hatchet job in its Oct. 24 article “Railroads weren't in on new 3C rail study.” The reporter, whose beat is politics and not transportation, went into an article with a premise and disregarded much information that did not have anything to do with that premise. That's the very same thing The Dispatch accuses the Ohio Department of Transportation of doing in estimating a 50-mph average passenger-train speed for the proposed Cincinnati-Dayton-Columbus-Cleveland line. What the newspaper missed — again — was a context. Is it normal for freight railroads to be consulted at this stage of analysis? I told the reporter it was premature for the freight railroads to be involved at this stage of a rail project's development. Also, I reminded him that the freight railroads have issued letters of support for the process the state is pursuing and that Woodside Consulting Group is staffed by former freight-railroad executives who use methodologies supported by the freight railroads. Ful letter at: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2010/11/06/train-article-left-much-at-the-station.html?sid=101
November 6, 201014 yr It's time for a statewide rally on rail. Who'd have expected that Kasich's very first action is to firmly and stubbornly wage battle against trains? He is so wrong, and so unwilling to listen to any other viewpoints, that we need to make those viewpoints louder. We need a big Statehouse rally, without the usual suspects. We need Republicans. We need mayors, especially Republican mayors. We need economic development directors. We need Chambers of Commerce. And we need students. Lots of college students. Thousands of college students. We need the state's future job-creators saying Ohio can't create jobs for the future without transportation options. We need to make passenger rail Kasich's "Obamacare." We need to define him by his ignorance of this issue and his intransigence in the face of differing viewpoints.
November 6, 201014 yr The pathetic and biased coverage of the 3C is one reason why I will never buy a subscription. What a mess. I bet now that they have their boy in the statehouse the tone of the coverage will change.
November 6, 201014 yr Neville, please contact All Aboard Ohio's Cincinnati-area board member Beau Tuke at: [email protected] Also, note that All Aboard Ohio's next local meeting in Cincinnati will be: Nov. 9th/Tuesday -- 6:30 p.m.; Hyde Park Public Library, 2747 Erie Avenue. For other meetings around the state, go to the All Aboard Ohio thread here in UO's railways/waterways section. Please get your friends, family and neighbors to write or call their state legislators (and Congressperson), too! If they have questions about 3C, please give them these talking points pieces: 3C talking points-travelers http://freepdfhosting.com/38fe6d024a.pdf (EDIT: this is the most recent piece!) 3C talking points-policymakers http://freepdfhosting.com/ef73f8e911.pdf Feel free to print these out and circulate these to whomever you wish! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 6, 201014 yr I'll be at that meeting. Are they open to anyone? Could I invite several students from UC-DAAP?
November 6, 201014 yr Yes, open to the public, as are all of All Aboard Ohio's local meetings. The more the merrier! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 6, 201014 yr Don't just get mad -- get involved! Join All Aboard Ohio and get your friends and families to join at: http://allaboardohio.org/join-us/ Also, please sign the online petition at: http://ohio.hsrus.org/?page_id=2 Please see our Facebook pages at: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Linking-Ohio/181838151266 http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-Aboard-Ohio-The-Official-Page/131908532861 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 6, 201014 yr KJP - I'm not sure I understand the membership structure. I'm a student, so obviously I would pay the $26 "OnTrack" level. What is the $20 for the Annual Meeting fees though?
November 6, 201014 yr KJP - I'm not sure I understand the membership structure. I'm a student, so obviously I would pay the $26 "OnTrack" level. What is the $20 for the Annual Meeting fees though? The Annual Meeting was Oct. 23 -- we just haven't gotten around to removing that from the site. Sorry for the confusion. The $26 on-track/student is the correct amount for you and other college students. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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