On 5/16/2022 at 10:22 PM, KJP said:

If DeWine defeats Whaley, I wonder if we'll ever hear of "passenger rail" uttered by this governor again?

I think DeWine is quietly moving forward on rail anyhow, or at least preparing for an opportune moment to jump on board, no pun intended.

 

With gas prices running sky-high, the pressure is going to be on all political leaders for relief and transportaion alternatives.

I'm not very hopeful that Ohio republicans, including Dewine, will try at all to get rail unless Fortune 500 companies aka donors are the ones pushing for it. I hope Intel would push for that, but looking at the light rail history in Phoenix/Chandler I'm not sure they are going to be the catalyst for rail we would hope. 

10 minutes ago, NEOBuckeye said:

I think DeWine is quietly moving forward on rail anyhow, or at least preparing for an opportune moment to jump on board, no pun intended.

 

With gas prices running sky-high, the pressure is going to be on all political leaders for relief and transportaion alternatives.

If he is it is a shame that we live in a state where the governor has to move "quietly".  Unfortunately there is much going against passenger rail infrastructure in this state, of which we are all aware.  A legislature dominated by Republicans who truly believe rail is a "Democratic thing".  Rural representatives with lots of power who think it is a "city thing" (indeed an evil city thing) and have to be bribed with goodies to support it or just won't support it at all as a matter of ideology.  Also an ODOT bureaucracy which little to no interest in rail an of course the $$$ thing in a state where capital spending (especially public transportation) takes a back seat to tax cuts, especially for those who need it the least.  In the meantime the brightest kids keep moving out and those that make the decisions seem blind to why this is.

 

By the way I feel bad writing such negative post but.....

30 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

I'm not very hopeful that Ohio republicans, including Dewine, will try at all to get rail unless Fortune 500 companies aka donors are the ones pushing for it. I hope Intel would push for that, but looking at the light rail history in Phoenix/Chandler I'm not sure they are going to be the catalyst for rail we would hope. 

 

Apparently Intel is pushing for it. So is the Columbus Partnership (group of CEOs). 

18 minutes ago, KJP said:

Apparently Intel is pushing for it

That's good to hear, since I think keeping/recruiting talent would be greatly increased by having a more connected region so Columbus doesn't feel like it's all by itself in the middle of the state insulated by corn/soybeans.

 

I would personally benefit greatly from being able to take a train from Cincy to CBus so I will try and help though after flowing it closely and attending meetings during the Kasich years I am inherently pessimistic.

47 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Rural representatives with lots of power who think it is a "city thing"

They're questioning the benefit of a route going right through their neighborhood.  Is this really that different from discussions of light rail within cities, though?  Obviously, those rural people will question a track passing right through their neighborhood if they aren't going to benefit, and not every small town it passes will have a stop.  We have the same exact argument when discussing light rail within the metro.  People want a quick route from destination points like Easton, the airport, or Bridge Park to downtown(specific to Columbus).  But, you get pushback if the plan will go through low income neighborhoods and bypass them.  And then, you lose a lot of the benefit of time saved if you have a ton of stops along the route.  Not everything has to be such black and white "rural people bad."

Edited May 19, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

Can Intel bring in enough plants to turn the state purple?

 

Maybe spreading them around or some of their other operations a bit too would help where it makes sense. I'm sure the Republicans will gerrymander the f--- out of Licking County even as more educated people move into it and the surrounding area, to blunt their impact on elections. But if tech investment and a better educated workforce can be drawn to other parts of the state as well, particularly NE Ohio and Toledo (Akron & Canton in particular could really use a shot in the arm), we could see a reversal in some of the otherwise apparent advantages the GOP has granted itself through gerrymandering that would support the overall direction of the state into a more moderate and constructive place politically and socially.

 

The problem I see in the Republican Party isn't so much the corporate/business class, it's the uneducated far-right redneck racists and conspiracy kooks who gleefully cut off their own noses to spite their own faces time and time again over major infrastructure investments like this that could actually help them too.

 

Mass-transit is too often allowed to be framed as something that only helps cities, black people, GLBTQ, Democrats, etc. What if it were framed as something as essential as roads, water, electric, Internet, etc. that everyone needs and benefits from in modern civilization?

4 minutes ago, NEOBuckeye said:

infrastructure investments like this that could actually help them too.

How will somebody in Appalachian Ohio in the south east part of the state benefit from a 3C route?  

 

4 minutes ago, NEOBuckeye said:

What if it were framed as something as essential as roads, water, electric, Internet, etc. that everyone needs and benefits from in modern civilization?

The percentage of Ohioans that will use this route will be so low that this comment is laughable.  This is coming from somebody that really wants rail in Ohio.  But, come on.  As essential as roads or water?  It would take 100 years to build the rail infrastructure to match the road service we have.

This was distributed yesterday

 

6 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

It would take 100 years to build the rail infrastructure to match the road service we have.

 

Ironically, 100 years ago just the opposite was true. Railroads reigned supreme and highways were usually quite poor.

 

Since then we spent huge amounts of public money on roads, which was a major factor in the demise of privately owned railroads operating passenger trains.

 

We need to invest in railroads on a par with other modes. It's literally a case of "build it and they will come."

Rail is what keeps the Appalachian towns from becoming completely unimportant. The infrastructure is right in your face in them and the vast majority of the housing was built from 1890 to 1925.

30 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

How will somebody in Appalachian Ohio in the south east part of the state benefit from a 3C route?  

 

The percentage of Ohioans that will use this route will be so low that this comment is laughable.  This is coming from somebody that really wants rail in Ohio.  But, come on.  As essential as roads or water?  It would take 100 years to build the rail infrastructure to match the road service we have.

 

"How do I benefit" is the best way to make sure no one does. You can't have yours until I get mine? Pretty selfish. But in this case there's an argument why 3C+D (or any of the other routes) will benefit Appalachia. If you boost the state's taxbase, everyone in Ohio benefits. That'll benefit everyone. If it wasn't for 3Cs and to a lesser extent the Next Three (Toledo, Dayton, Akron), Ohio would have lost jobs since 2015. Instead it gained more than 200,000 jobs. Did the entire state benefit from that? Darn right it did.

 

BTW, the percentage of Ohioans who will use the sewers on my street that were fixed with State Issue 2 money is pretty laughable, too. Doesn't mean it wasn't worth doing. In the case of 3C+D, if it will produce public benefits in excess of the public costs, you invest in it, even if Portsmouth, Piqua or Painesville won't benefit the same way Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati will. We're all Ohioans. And it's time we support our economic powerhouses -- Ohio's biggest cities by linking them with transportation that will encourage more interaction and business activity.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

They're questioning the benefit of a route going right through their neighborhood.  Is this really that different from discussions of light rail within cities, though?  Obviously, those rural people will question a track passing right through their neighborhood if they aren't going to benefit, and not every small town it passes will have a stop.  We have the same exact argument when discussing light rail within the metro.  People want a quick route from destination points like Easton, the airport, or Bridge Park to downtown(specific to Columbus).  But, you get pushback if the plan will go through low income neighborhoods and bypass them.  And then, you lose a lot of the benefit of time saved if you have a ton of stops along the route.  Not everything has to be such black and white "rural people bad."

 

I don't think the initial post was saying rural people are bad. It's saying their elected representatives will likely want to kill it.

 

Most rural Ohioans probably wouldn't care about the plan, but may vote against it if it doesn't benefit them directly and it came to a vote. But these are things that don't need to go to a vote, and our elected representatives should be able to get these types of projects done.

 

Their representatives are happy to take hundreds of millions of dollars to create an unnecessary bypass around Portsmouth no one uses, but will quickly decry any attempt to help cities in the state with rail as a hand out or whatever.

56 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

How will somebody in Appalachian Ohio in the south east part of the state benefit from a 3C route? 

It's federal money we're talking about, so maybe the question should be; Would it benefit people in Ohio to have that money spent here, or given to another state? When Kasich denied the $400 million last time around I don't seem to remember getting my portion of that back in the mail... it went to New York to support those coastal elites people like to complain so much about.

20 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

I don't think the initial post was saying rural people are bad. It's saying their elected representatives will likely want to kill it.

 

" it's the uneducated far-right redneck racists and conspiracy kooks who gleefully cut off their own noses to spite their own faces"

7 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

 

" it's the uneducated far-right redneck racists and conspiracy kooks who gleefully cut off their own noses to spite their own faces"

 

Not the initial post or initial poster.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

How will somebody in Appalachian Ohio in the south east part of the state benefit from a 3C route?  

 

Infrastructure investments that boost the tax bases in the big cities help pay for the roads, sewers, schools, etc. in Appalachia. Without the big cities, Southeast Ohio would be in much dire straits. I don't expect every citizen to understand that, but if our state lawmakers don't then we have a big problem.

45 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Infrastructure investments that boost the tax bases in the big cities help pay for the roads, sewers, schools, etc. in Appalachia. Without the big cities, Southeast Ohio would be in much dire straits. I don't expect every citizen to understand that, but if our state lawmakers don't then we have a big problem.

 

Case in point: Mississippi

3 hours ago, KJP said:

"How do I benefit" is the best way to make sure no one does.

And, I'm sure that you guys are quick to support things that will benefit rural Ohioans with no benefit to the cities?  I see frequent complaints on here when projects go to rural areas, not to mention the "uneducated, redneck, racist" comments.

Edited May 19, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

Infrastructure investments that boost the tax bases

Do you have any source for the projected increase in tax base that this route would provide to the state?  Isn't the state required to subsidize like $17 million in operating costs per year? As I said, I am in favor of this happening, but to act like it will have a significant impact is reaching pretty far in my opinion.

Edited May 19, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

2 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Do you have any source for the projected increase in tax base that this route would provide to the state?

 

For specifics we'll have to wait for the study. Surely they'll address this.

 

Generally:

Infrastructure spending may take years to yield economic results. However, improved infrastructure can increase worker productivity by moving goods more efficiently. It also can increase the number of hours available for work by shortening commute times. In combination, these two trends should accelerate GDP growth.

 

https://www.jpmorgan.com/commercial-banking/insights/the-economic-case-for-infrastructure-spending#:~:text=Infrastructure spending may take years,trends should accelerate GDP growth.

4 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

For specifics we'll have to wait for the study. Surely they'll address this.

 

Generally:

Infrastructure spending may take years to yield economic results. However, improved infrastructure can increase worker productivity by moving goods more efficiently. It also can increase the number of hours available for work by shortening commute times. In combination, these two trends should accelerate GDP growth.

 

https://www.jpmorgan.com/commercial-banking/insights/the-economic-case-for-infrastructure-spending#:~:text=Infrastructure spending may take years,trends should accelerate GDP growth.

There are a lot of "cans" and "shoulds" in that statement.  Surely, the government has never overpromised and underdelivered.  I'm also not sure how this route can be considered to be "shortening commute times" when we already know the projected travel time and driving up 71 will be faster.

7 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

There are a lot of "cans" and "shoulds" in that statement.  Surely, the government has never overpromised and underdelivered.  I'm also not sure how this route can be considered to be "shortening commute times" when we already know the projected travel time and driving up 71 will be faster.

 

Faster isn't necessarily better imho. I'll take the train to LA and work online even though I could get there maybe 20-30 min earlier by car. Also more train commuters mean that less people are driving which should lessen traffic and shorten commute times. 

We won't know travel times until a study looks at the options. That said, if the train's running is competitive with drive times, a substantial number of people will take the train if for no other reason than to avoid the grind of driving up and down I-71. If the train just averages 60 mph---a very achievable speed---that gives us a downtown to downtown 2:15 trip time. Suburb to suburb would be 20-30 minutes faster. That's a very competitive trip time.

 

A 70 mph average speed (90 mph top speed) would probably get us Cleveland-Columbus in two hours flat downtown to downtown. That's faster than driving, unless you exceed speed limits.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

And, I'm sure that you guys are quick to support things that will benefit rural Ohioans with no benefit to the cities? 

 

It obviously depends on the project. Eliminating lead pipes, fixing combined sewer overflows, fixing bridges, expanding municipal broadband internet, repairing historic buildings, supporting tourist infrastructure, promoting economic development via direct investment in infrastructure around new businesses, etc I fully support.

 

I don't support adding capacity to state routes with declining populations or building new bypasses around cities. These are wasteful expenditures that provide no additional benefit to Ohio residents.

2 hours ago, neony said:

We won't know travel times until a study looks at the options. That said, if the train's running is competitive with drive times, a substantial number of people will take the train if for no other reason than to avoid the grind of driving up and down I-71. If the train just averages 60 mph---a very achievable speed---that gives us a downtown to downtown 2:15 trip time. Suburb to suburb would be 20-30 minutes faster. That's a very competitive trip time.

 

A 70 mph average speed (90 mph top speed) would probably get us Cleveland-Columbus in two hours flat downtown to downtown. That's faster than driving, unless you exceed speed limits.

This assumes no stops, right?  Are there not other stops along the route?  Seems like a hard sell to rural Ohioans that will simply be bypassed entirely.

Edited May 20, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

The current proposal would have stations at downtown Cleveland, CLE Hopkins airport, Crestline (near Mansfield), Delaware, downtown Columbus, Dayton, Middletown, Sharon (northern Cincinnati suburbs), and downtown Cincinnati. The previous 3 C&D proposal included all those plus Grafton, Springfield, and a second Dayton station near Wright State and Wright Patt AFB. Those stations could be added later on the proposed route, along with MAYBE Hamilton if they take a bit longer route. Roughly half of Ohio’s population would be within a 30 minute drive of a station, along with the four largest economic centers being centered at stations. The required operating subsidy is a teeny tiny fraction of the operating subsidy of our road system paid by Fed, State, and local general fund government taxes. (Fuel tax doesn’t even come close to covering capital costs of roads, let alone maintenance and support - think snow removal and police road patrol. Those things come from general tax funds.)
 

This is the single best ratio of OH tax dollars needed to potential benefit for Ohio that we could find, period. As far as our Federal taxes - this money is allocated for passenger rail. It will be spent on passenger rail, either in Ohio or elsewhere. I’d like my tax money to be spent here. 

13 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

And, I'm sure that you guys are quick to support things that will benefit rural Ohioans with no benefit to the cities?  I see frequent complaints on here when projects go to rural areas, not to mention the "uneducated, redneck, racist" comments.

After all, this site is called UrbanOhio. It's going to attract pro-urban, anti-rural people. That said, Ohio metro areas are donor regions to rural areas when it comes to taxes, exasperating urban sprawl.

 

13 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

There are a lot of "cans" and "shoulds" in that statement.  Surely, the government has never overpromised and underdelivered.  I'm also not sure how this route can be considered to be "shortening commute times" when we already know the projected travel time and driving up 71 will be faster.

 

There are lots of precedents around the country to see what rail service not just can do, but does do. Ask any mayor or chamber of any town with multiple daily Amtrak stops if having the trains hurts or helps their communities. BTW, even when the train is slower than driving it still saves productive time for business travelers.

 

10 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

This assumes no stops, right?  Are there not other stops along the route?  Seems like a hard sell to rural Ohioans that will simply be bypassed entirely.

 

Again, look at the way other state-supported corridor services in routes of 150 to 400 miles are operated. Look at how many stops they make. Some trains make all stops; other trains skip smaller towns.

 

I'd be happy to find some reports from independent organizations, states and universities about their state's rail services. They are available out there on the Web. You can actually find them yourself with a Google search. But, I'd be happy to pull up a few for you when I get back from going out of town this weekend.

15 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

And, I'm sure that you guys are quick to support things that will benefit rural Ohioans with no benefit to the cities?  I see frequent complaints on here when projects go to rural areas, not to mention the "uneducated, redneck, racist" comments.

 

Absolutely! I was born and raised in Appalachian Ohio. My family is there. I visit often. I want smart investments that will move the region forward. Broadband is one example.

2 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

The previous 3 C&D proposal included all those plus Grafton

I grew up in Grafton.  It definitely would have been fun to have this as an option as a student at Ohio State.

We need to get the business community behind Amtrak expansion, so we need to get the Greater Cleveland Partnership to make this a priority. Our friends in Columbus are doing just that, even though Amtrak plans only six trains a day through there. They're planning 20+ through Cleveland, making us a mini-hub, but here's what Columbus is doing:

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/05/19/amtrak-expansion-columbus-business-leaders-push-passenger-rail-return/9827912002/

 

We need GCP to speak up. Please contact Baiju Shah and urge that GCP make Amtrak expansion part of the organization's legislative agenda.

 

Ditto for other Ohio cities!

 

3 hours ago, KJP said:

After all, this site is called UrbanOhio. It's going to attract pro-urban, anti-rural people. That said, Ohio metro areas are donor regions to rural areas when it comes to taxes, exasperating urban sprawl.

 

I would say I'm anti-sprawl, not anti-rural. I like rural areas. I just think rural life should be revolving around rural things... like farming and living with the land... instead of driving into the city for work. Personally my fantasy when I get sick of office life is to run away and be a farmer. Granted, there are issues with modern farming methods, but historically agriculture was about a certain symbiosis with the land, and hopefully we can get back to that.

 

Then of course there is an urban/rural political divide in the USA today which creates a certain... antagonism... but that's not an issue with being rural or rural life in general.

Edited May 20, 20223 yr by mu2010

17 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

  Isn't the state required to subsidize like $17 million in operating costs per year?

After five years; the Feds pick it up in the meantime.  If (a big IF) that's all it costs, it is a huge bargain.

15 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

This assumes no stops, right?  Are there not other stops along the route?  Seems like a hard sell to rural Ohioans that will simply be bypassed entirely.

 

It assumes a full schedule WITH stops, just as the New York Central did years ago. Also, with multiple frequencies, some trains can run express while others make more stops. Places like Worthington, Delaware and Galion would likely have stops.

Edited May 20, 20223 yr by neony

3 hours ago, KJP said:

We need to get the business community behind Amtrak expansion, so we need to get the Greater Cleveland Partnership to make this a priority. Our friends in Columbus are doing just that, even though Amtrak plans only six trains a day through there. They're planning 20+ through Cleveland, making us a mini-hub, but here's what Columbus is doing:

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/05/19/amtrak-expansion-columbus-business-leaders-push-passenger-rail-return/9827912002/

 

We need GCP to speak up. Please contact Baiju Shah and urge that GCP make Amtrak expansion part of the organization's legislative agenda.

 

Ditto for other Ohio cities!

 

Greater Cleveland Partnership

1240 Huron Road East

Cleveland, Ohio 44115
(216) 621-3300

[email protected]

 

Dear Mr. Shah and the Greater Cleveland Partnership,

 

Please add your voice and reputation to that of the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency (NOACA) and institutions in Columbus in a call for passenger rail service between Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/05/19/amtrak-expansion-columbus-business-leaders-push-passenger-rail-return/9827912002/

On 5/19/2022 at 10:23 AM, neony said:

KJP quite correct to point out that a station (either at Tower City or at the Lakefront) is really just the tip of the iceberg when we are talking about 20 trains per day or more. Really, we need a full blown alternatives analysis to decide which location makes the most sense. Either location will incur substantial costs, but that's what happens when we lose infrastructure and then want to rebuild it.

 

The best of all worlds, in my opinion, is to make the new hub at Tower City  AND build the Lakefront Bypass (provided NS is willing).  I'm told NS only has 3 shippers left downtown.  The NS route east of the current station is wide enough for 4 tracks, including all the bridges, out to E. 79th St.  Doing both of these allows the possibility of routing the Waterfront line east through the industrial area adjacent to E. 26th St (for employment access), Asiatown, E. 55th and Euclid, and Fairfax and connecting back up with the RTA main at E. 79th St.   There's enough room for two RTA tracks and tracks for NS to access its remaining shippers. 

 

As I recall from when @KJPdid his Lakefront Bypass study, NS wasn't immediately opposed to the idea.  Of course, NS' management has changed considerably since then.

 

 

The latest entity to jump on the bandwagon about expanding train services in Ohio is The Columbus Partnership, which is a non-profit made up of CEOs of the leading corporations and institutions in Columbus.   A public announcement was made last week:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morpc-columbus-partnership-throw-weight-160742801.html

 

Here are just a few of the organization's corporate members
https://columbuspartnership.com/members:
at&t

JP Morgan Chase

PNC Bank
Honda
American Electric Power
Nationwide Insurance
IBM
Huntington Bank
5/3 Bank
Cardinal Health
Scott's Miracle-Gro
White Castle
Deloitte
Worthington Industries

Intel, which is building a huge new microchip plant near Columbus, is also on board.  

The corporate push will do more to advance things than anything advocates could do.

As was posted here recently, NOACA has applied for grants for multiple corridors through Cleveland.  I guarantee you that they wouldn't have done it so fast without a corporate push in Cleveland too.  I don't know all of the corporate support in Cleveland, but here is some:

 

Haslams/Cleveland Browns

Sam McNulty, restaurateur and developer

Frank Sinito, CEO Millennia Companies

Joe Shafran, CEO Paran Management Group

Ari Maron, Principal, MRN Ltd.

Dan Whalen, VP Development, Harbor Bay Realty Advisors

Nathan Kelly, President & Managing Director, CRESCO

Brent Zimmerman, CEO Saucy Brew Works, Owner Brent Zimmerman Development

 

As many of you may recall, NOACA reluctantly jumped on the hyperloop bandwagon a few years ago because of a local corporate push.  Fortunately, hyperloop is dead, at least as far as passenger movement goes (and the freight side of things may not last either.  We'll see).

Great news.  But the moral of the story is:  Nothing really happens until the moneyed interests get behind something.  Rail advocates have pretty much been beating their heads against the wall, especially in Ohio, for 50 years. 

 

 

Edited May 22, 20223 yr by gildone

Yes, and my head hurts!

21 minutes ago, KJP said:

Yes, and my head hurts!

Mine too, and I've only been at it for 27 years!

Seems like there’s momentum picking up for passenger rail here. I really hope it happens. I’ll continue contacting my reps and will write to GCP.

City wants to upgrade train station

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/387783/city-wants-to-upgrade-train-station/

On 5/22/2022 at 6:38 PM, gildone said:

Mine too, and I've only been at it for 27 years!

 

 Hold my beer rookies! Ha ha

Edited May 27, 20223 yr by neony

SHOCKER! They're more interested in killing expectant mothers, terrorizing school children and scaring off ambitious young people...

 

 

In my best Gomer Pyle...

 

Surprise, surprise, surprise!!!

 

Let's fake 'em out and tell them the trains will carry shipments of guns! That'll get them to support the trains!

SHOCKER! They're more interested in killing expectant mothers, terrorizing school children and scaring off ambitious young people...
 
 

Why do I love this state so much?


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2 minutes ago, TotalTransit said:

Why do I love this state so much?


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I don't know. I hate Ohio. I love Cleveland, but it's trapped in a state run by fascist nutjob criminals.

Here's a brief snippet from the Gongwer article....

 

 

Asked about potential expansion, Speaker Bob Cupp (R-Lima) said he has not thought about the issue.

 

Senate President Matt Huffman (R-Lima) was more forthright, saying he is "not enthusiastic about it."

 

"It's kind of fun to talk about, but until someone can figure out why it's better than taking a car, I don't think it's going to happen," he said.

 

"I think in any large infrastructure project, the state and federal government can play a role. We're going to keep coming back to the same fundamental question; there has to be a mass use of a piece of transportation infrastructure before it's really valid to be funded publicly, or certainly privately."

 

He said he is disappointed the Department of Transportation won't improve State Route 23 from Toledo to Columbus, "but that's that kind of thing we need to be thinking about."

Same old, same old...

 

This is where Amtrak's proposals to develop corridors with state help will run into difficulty.

Edited May 28, 20223 yr by neony

2 hours ago, neony said:

Same old, same old...

 

This is where Amtrak's proposals to develop corridors with state help will run into difficulty.

 

You mean with state initiative. Federal law requires state initiative because the Senate version of the infrastructure won out. The House version gave Amtrak the authority to take the initiative. Had the House version won out, I wouldn't have resigned from All Aboard Ohio.

 
I don't know. I hate Ohio. I love Cleveland, but it's trapped in a state run by fascist nutjob criminals.

I love Ohio because it’s one of the few states with true urbanism left. It’s entrenched history with building urban environments is some of the most in the us.


It’s why I moved from the sprawl that is Florida.


I hope one day we can overcome its political deficits.