Posted May 28May 28 How about some potential good news for a change? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28May 28 Is it this or something else? Excited to hear!!(https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/E-12th-St-Cleveland-OH/35555015/)
May 28May 28 Wondering if the W landing at Erieview influenced this. That would immediately turn into an active/attractive intersection.
May 28May 28 e12 could be a really nice residential street. if it's offices, it has to be a hq move like jones day
May 28May 28 6 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:Is it this or something else? Excited to hear!!(https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/E-12th-St-Cleveland-OH/35555015/)Listed as an office building. Courting DFAS? Trump prob award DFAS to his fellow crook Kassouf lol.
May 28May 28 Author New downtown office tower/data center in the worksBy Ken Prendergast / May 28, 2025Suggesting the construction of an office building in Downtown Cleveland, which is still recovering from the pandemic, seemed like a strange idea. And it was until the listing for it was pulled from marketing sites shortly after NEOtrans wrote about it. Turns out the proposed Two Cleveland Center was publicized prematurely.MORE:https://neo-trans.blog/2025/05/28/new-downtown-office-tower-data-center-in-the-works/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28May 28 Are there new urban datacenter projects in other cities?I've been thinking for a while, the need for more datacenters is so, so massive, it would be a crying shame if we couldn't get more of them built in urban highrises. Even though they have relatively few jobs per square foot, it still seems like from an efficiency standpoint (including issues about power generation and transmission, etc.) you'd want them in an urban area rather than on reclaimed farmland in the country.
May 28May 28 The instant negativity is crazy@KJP , since I'm not too familiar with the Coynes, what's their track record on projects in general? I know Coyne is technically not the developer but still... Maybe that would lend better insight into the viability of this project
May 28May 28 I would view this as a broker and owner getting some renderings done in hopes of increase buzz and visibility for the property.Hopefully it works and they can attract something, but I wouldn't think of it any differently than an architecture competition proposal.
May 28May 28 1 hour ago, Geowizical said:The instant negativity is crazy@KJP , since I'm not too familiar with the Coynes, what's their track record on projects in general? I know Coyne is technically not the developer but still... Maybe that would lend better insight into the viability of this projectIf they said that we have prospective tenants lined up and are working on closing financing I would be a lot more optimistic but they are just releasing this in hopes of getting tenants to bite. I hope I'm wrong but this is less reassuring than NuCLEus, at least they had an anchor tenant.
May 28May 28 Author I think Coyne really believes in data centers because he's talked about them before. But I don't understand how a vertical data center would work financially. I understand data centers are in demand and may pay well as tenants. But a vertical data center may be very expensive. Perhaps he's just trying to bump up the price of the land but as with everything, time reveals all plots. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28May 28 Author Note that the article was significantly edited. They DID not want this out there so soon -- and yet put it on LoopNet and Coyne's owned publicly available site. It had been public for a month. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 29May 29 Even a remote possibility of a significant new building downtown is very welcome news-even though there are some important projects around town - it’s been a very quiet year when you talk downtown construction.
May 29May 29 This is really just the urban version of posting a "WILL BUILD TO SUIT" billboard on the highway. But hey, ya gotta do whatchya gotta do. I'm really surprised that they aren't pursuing residential. Seems like a more sure bet and higher demand. My first thought before the article was posted was..."is Playhouse Square building another residential tower?"
May 29May 29 8 hours ago, CleveFan said:Even a remote possibility of a significant new building downtown is very welcome news-even though there are some important projects around town - it’s been a very quiet year when you talk downtown construction.When I read Ken's article it really struck me--when was the last time we saw a rendering of a new proposed 10+ story project downtown? I think it was Sherwin Williams. There's a lot of little things going on throughout the city, and I do believe that's more important in the long run. But the new high-rise projects downtown sure are fun, lol.
May 29May 29 15 hours ago, KJP said:I think Coyne really believes in data centers because he's talked about them before. But I don't understand how a vertical data center would work financially. I understand data centers are in demand and may pay well as tenants. But a vertical data center may be very expensive. Perhaps he's just trying to bump up the price of the land but as with everything, time reveals all plots.Also with a vertical data center, something like a roof leak starting at the top or a fire starting at the bottom now affects all tenants vertically. Ask me how I know.
May 29May 29 Author 28 minutes ago, civitasurbis said:anyone know who designed it? Local architect?I thought it looked like a Dimit product. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 29May 29 On 5/28/2025 at 4:42 PM, Geowizical said:The instant negativity is crazy@KJP , since I'm not too familiar with the Coynes, what's their track record on projects in general? I know Coyne is technically not the developer but still... Maybe that would lend better insight into the viability of this projectGenuine skepticism from decades of similar announcements isn't necessarily instant negativity. Quite a few of us have seen plenty of announcements like this and can't be faulted for being optimistic realists. We've been doing this since before some of you were born 😅 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
May 30May 30 On 5/28/2025 at 2:20 PM, KJP said:New downtown office tower/data center in the worksBy Ken Prendergast / May 28, 2025Suggesting the construction of an office building in Downtown Cleveland, which is still recovering from the pandemic, seemed like a strange idea. And it was until the listing for it was pulled from marketing sites shortly after NEOtrans wrote about it. Turns out the proposed Two Cleveland Center was publicized prematurely.MORE:https://neo-trans.blog/2025/05/28/new-downtown-office-tower-data-center-in-the-works/Dunno if I want to call that a "tower".
May 30May 30 Author Bohn Tower in Cleveland is 204 feet tall. This is proposed to be 242 feet tall. So there! 😁 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 30May 30 On 5/28/2025 at 3:08 PM, LlamaLawyer said:Are there new urban datacenter projects in other cities?I've been thinking for a while, the need for more datacenters is so, so massive, it would be a crying shame if we couldn't get more of them built in urban highrises. Even though they have relatively few jobs per square foot, it still seems like from an efficiency standpoint (including issues about power generation and transmission, etc.) you'd want them in an urban area rather than on reclaimed farmland in the country.Not my area of expertise, but if you need a lot of power and don't need people, it would make sense to put them near existing energy sources (nuke plants or dams) and build some solar plants to boost the supply as available.
May 30May 30 Author 5 minutes ago, E Rocc said:Not my area of expertise, but if you need a lot of power and don't need people, it would make sense to put them near existing energy sources (nuke plants or dams) and build some solar plants to boost the supply as available.It's next to the same power source as the H5 Data Center.But this seems to have a Ferrari Tower vibe to it. In fact, when the PD reported on that "project," its backers proceeded to immediately remove its public listing from the Web, just like Chaim Schochet and Newmark did with Two Cleveland Center after I reported on it -- although you can still see it here: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/E-12th-St-Cleveland-OH/35555015/Schochet was angry with me but he acknowledged he and his mystery partners are still looking at a new use for the site. There was another proposal for that spot from 5-10 years ago for a shorter office building. I thought I'd saved a rendering of it but I can't seem to find it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 1Jun 1 On 5/29/2025 at 7:17 PM, MayDay said:Genuine skepticism from decades of similar announcements isn't necessarily instant negativity. Quite a few of us have seen plenty of announcements like this and can't be faulted for being optimistic realists. We've been doing this since before some of you were born 😅
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