May 10, 20241 yr ^ Which is why it is (and was) important for the city to be proactive. They (the City and the County) have previously said their support would be limited to $300,000,000 They should stick to that, or even reduce their support. Any renovation that will cost more than $600,000,000 isn't worth doing. Even accounting for inflation we built the stadium for less and it's perfectly adequate. The bells and whistles aren't worth it, and if they are the Haslams (and later Browns ticket buyers) can pay for them. If they want to build new that's fine, the City/County support should stay the same. Once again, even accounting for inflation we built the previous stadium for less than half their ludicrous renovation budget. The public position should be a 50/50 split on the minimum required construction cost, which seems to be what they've previously stated. Hopefully they stick to it.
May 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, X said: I looked even more carefully and found "Jerry's Village". It's two buildings- a hotel, and a what appears to be basically an outlot-style building with a restaurant or two. There's significantly more development planned even in the City's vision for the Lakefront than there is in "Jerry's Village". And it's closer to the baseball stadium, an arena, and a convention center than it is to the football stadium. Haslam's plan for a "Jimmy's Village" is pure nonsense. I 100% agree with you. Ken constantly reports that the Haslam's expect to support their dome at the Brookpark site with some sort of utopia village of hotels, condos, apartments, restaurants and retail. This is just not going to happen at this awful site surrounded by a noisy airport, railroad tracks, highways, dirty book stores and, lets face it, in one of Cleveland's least desirable suburbs (and the property does not get more desirable if Cleveland annex's it). This site would even be a tough sell in a growing metropolitan area. If they build here it will be a just a stadium surrounded by asphalt. In some ways this vision reminds me of when I was a kid and Nick Mileti was hyping the Coliseum. Great location on a freeway half way between two large metro areas on the rim of a newly created beautiful national recreation area. The building was going to soon be surrounded by office buildings, housing, retail etc. I actually remember renderings of what was suppose to surround the arena. Well as we know they did not even build a McDonalds and the area is now grassland. I know somewhat apples and oranges but in other ways very similar to this. Edited May 10, 20241 yr by Htsguy
May 10, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, snakebite said: Brook Park on the whiter, more affluent, car centric west side sounds far more inaccessible to me to poor people from minority backgrounds. Cutting your nose off to spite your face. To that point, if the stadium moves out there it's not like it'll make much of a difference to game day attendees - 30% of game attendees live in Cuyahoga County, and 15.5% live in the city, but! it'll be Jimmy's problem figuring out how to staff his Truck Stop in Brook Park.
May 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: I 100% agree with you. Ken constantly reports that the Haslam's expect to support their dome at the Brookpark site with some sort of utopia village of hotels, condos, apartments, restaurants and retail. This is just not going to happen at this awful site surrounded by a noisy airport, railroad tracks, highways, dirty book stores and, lets face it, in one of Cleveland's least desirable suburbs (and the property does not get more desirable if Cleveland annex's it). This site would even be a tough sell in a growing metropolitan area. If they build here it will be a just a stadium surrounded by asphalt. In some ways this vision reminds me of when I was a kid and Nick Mileti was hyping the Coliseum. Great location on a freeway half way between two large metro areas on the rim of a newly created beautiful national recreation area. The building was going to soon be surrounded by office buildings, housing, retail etc. I actually remember renderings of what was suppose to surround the arena. Well as we know they did not even build a McDonalds and the area is now grassland. I know somewhat apples and oranges but in other ways very similar to this. After going to a Guardians game in Arlington, I can confirm that the surrounding area is a dump. No major development as a result of either stadium outside of the couple hotels and restaurants abutting the domes was present, and the sea of parking was a confusing, overpriced mess. It honestly made me think of what it would be like if a stadium was just plopped where the Randall Park Mall used to be. I'm all for a dome and think that any major renovating the current stadium is essentially lipstick on a pig. I also remain optimistic it can somehow be done in Cleveland Proper. Above all though, I firmly agree that arguing that a "pro" of Brook Park is a "Disney"-like village that may come with it is just unrealistic thinking.
May 10, 20241 yr ^ l think another difference between Jerry's World and what we're trying to decide on here (Haslam redux in BP or somthing on our lakefront) is the mindset of Dallas and Cleveland. This is strictly anectdotal but when l visit my family in Arlington they think Jerry's world is great. They love the suburban feel. Love the mall like parking. The local paper's think it's great. When l go to back yard cookouts and l bring it up everyone loves it. It's a car centric suburban culture. Here in Cleveland there is at least some back and forth on BP vs. the lakefront. And of course on this forum we're all pretty much lakefront people but still...it's the difference between an old school city and a new sunbelt city. And that's just one more reason l stayed here and didn't follow the fam. down south.
May 10, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, cadmen said: it's the difference between an old school city and a new sunbelt city If you check in with a lot of suburbanites online, radio or otherwise, they LOVE the idea of the BP site for all the reasons you listed about Jerry's World being received well. I love their idea that moving to Brook Park will make traffic magically disappear and frankly that's all these ppl care about (and for the sunglasses-in-truck-selfie types, avoiding fabricated "city" issues).
May 10, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, GISguy said: If you check in with a lot of suburbanites online, radio or otherwise, they LOVE the idea of the BP site for all the reasons you listed about Jerry's World being received well. I love their idea that moving to Brook Park will make traffic magically disappear and frankly that's all these ppl care about (and for the sunglasses-in-truck-selfie types, avoiding fabricated "city" issues). They don't care about "traffic" at all. It's just the official excuse they give because they know it's not acceptable to say what they really don't like about going into the city.
May 10, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, GISguy said: To that point, if the stadium moves out there it's not like it'll make much of a difference to game day attendees - 30% of game attendees live in Cuyahoga County, and 15.5% live in the city, but! it'll be Jimmy's problem figuring out how to staff his Truck Stop in Brook Park. Mmmmm, gas station chicken to go!
May 10, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, dave2017 said: One option that really could be the best for all is if Burke Lakefront Airport was decommissioned and that land was either converted to the publicly accessible lakefront that Mayor Bibb envisions or move the Browns Stadium to this location and The Haslams could build their vision. The two sites could be swapped for either plan. Personally I preferred The Haslam lakefront plan over the vision that Bibb has proposed. A better use of prime real estate rather than more park settings that would bring more tax revenue to a cash strapped city. IMO either Browns stadium or Burke needs to go. Having both on the downtown lakefront is ridiculous. Edited May 10, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
May 10, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: IMO either the stadium or the airport needs to go. Having both on the downtown lakefront is ridiculous. After reading the first sentence, I thought you were talking about Brook Park/Hopkins 😂
May 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Enginerd said: After reading the first sentence, I thought you were talking about Brook Park/Hopkins 😂 Sorry. I edited the post for clarity.
May 10, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: I had reported in 2022 that the Haslams wanted to put a domed stadium on the northeast side of downtown. The Haslams even reached out to some property owners (including WKYC) but apparently ran into some disinterest from at least one property owner (I don't know who). The Haslams asked the city to intercede with the thought that it could lead to eminent domain if things didn't progress. With the Port's eminent domain fight with the Georges underway at that time, the city didn't want a repeat of that. I don't think they were concerned about losing. They were apparently concerned about delays given how many properties had to be acquired. So the city urged the Browns to look elsewhere. That is the idea I liked best of all. So I think the Haslam group had the right idea. But it takes agreement by many parties and it just didn't happen. Unfortunately, it may have prevented the best scenario from playing out for the city.
May 10, 20241 yr There has to be some kind of compromise available? If the Haslams' 50/50 share of a new stadium would be $1.2bil, that means they have the cash needed to foot the entire estimated bill of a lakefront renovation if they really wanted. (I know that's not the point, but the fact remains) Is there any kind of proposal where they basically get the land for free on the west side of a renovated lakefront plot where "The Village" and "Commercial Development" are in the city rendering? How much else would they need from the city to offset receiving an actual check for $600mil? Thats a large enough plot to put up a couple buildings, including a hotel and apartment/condo complex with lots of retail
May 10, 20241 yr the brook park location would be better served by a business park or major industrial campus. its kind of a waste to have a stadium right next to the airport. go to the browns game or other event leave does nothing for anyone but the owners. i still think that large open site below tri-c and broadway should be in play. east of horizon academy along the lake or just east of woodland cemetery looks like could they could handle a stadium complex too. no doubt there are other sites. the mayor should have discussions with property owners, offer carrots and twist some arms and then give the haslams some variety of site choices rather than just the current site. Edited May 10, 20241 yr by mrnyc
May 11, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, mrnyc said: the brook park location would be better served by a business park or major industrial campus. its kind of a waste to have a stadium right next to the airport. go to the browns game or other event leave does nothing for anyone but the owners. i still think that large open site below tri-c and broadway should be in play. east of horizon academy along the lake or just east of woodland cemetery looks like could they could handle a stadium complex too. no doubt there are other sites. the mayor should have discussions with property owners, offer carrots and twist some arms and then give the haslams some variety of site choices rather than just the current site. Ya that Post Office area is still my top choice for a dome if it happens. It just makes sense. Although there is a highway running through it, it's the closest we could get to some sort of stadium district. Keep all of the stadiums and their amenities in one area.
May 11, 20241 yr On 5/10/2024 at 9:15 AM, Htsguy said: In some ways this vision reminds me of when I was a kid and Nick Mileti was hyping the Coliseum. Great location on a freeway half way between two large metro areas on the rim of a newly created beautiful national recreation area. IIRC, Mileti wanted to stay downtown but got no support from the city and thus looked elsewhere.
May 11, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, mrnyc said: I still think that large open site below tri-c and broadway should be in play. east of horizon academy along the lake or just east of woodland cemetery looks like could they could handle a stadium complex too. no doubt there are other sites. East of Horizon Academy - is that the site of the First Energy facility that was torn down a few years ago?
May 15, 20241 yr Sounds like a rough deal for Jacksonville to me, but I'm no expert. https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2024/05/14/city-jaguars-agree-to-split-12-billion-cost-on-stadium-of-the-future-invest-more-in-downtown-jacksonville/
May 15, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Sounds like a rough deal for Jacksonville to me, but I'm no expert. https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2024/05/14/city-jaguars-agree-to-split-12-billion-cost-on-stadium-of-the-future-invest-more-in-downtown-jacksonville/ Think its actually less than what Tennessee and Buffalo are paying for their new digs although if we are talking economies of scale, the Titans one is going to generate far more return on investment than the Bills and Jags. I'd expect Jacksonville will probably be in the middle of them somewhere given its a better location within its metro than Buffalo's and its a better weather climate for attracting neutral events. Edited May 15, 20241 yr by snakebite
May 15, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: Sounds like a rough deal for Jacksonville to me, but I'm no expert. https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2024/05/14/city-jaguars-agree-to-split-12-billion-cost-on-stadium-of-the-future-invest-more-in-downtown-jacksonville/ “The proposal that could be given to the NFL would be framed as a 55-45 split, with the city taking on the 55% portion. League owners are unlikely to approve a 50-50 split. “ LOL what????? So 50/50 is too much hahahahahaha. These owners have lost their mind. Also is this new? ” A new stadium deal requires 75% of NFL owners to approve.“ Edited May 15, 20241 yr by 646empire
May 15, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, 646empire said: “The proposal that could be given to the NFL would be framed as a 55-45 split, with the city taking on the 55% portion. League owners are unlikely to approve a 50-50 split. “ LOL what????? So 50/50 is too much hahahahahaha. These owners have lost their mind. Also is this new? ” A new stadium deal requires 75% of NFL owners to approve.“ I noticed that too, and also thought it's crazy. Does that mean the owners would not approve a stadium that's 100% privately financed by an owner? Just because it would set a "bad" precedent for their future stadium negotiations? If that's true, it could set up quite a stalemate if the public (city, county, state) is steadfast against going above 50% (and I would completely understand and support that position), but the owners are steadfast in getting more than 50%.
May 15, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, acd said: I noticed that too, and also thought it's crazy. Does that mean the owners would not approve a stadium that's 100% privately financed by an owner? Just because it would set a "bad" precedent for their future stadium negotiations? If that's true, it could set up quite a stalemate if the public (city, county, state) is steadfast against going above 50% (and I would completely understand and support that position), but the owners are steadfast in getting more than 50%. SoFi and I assume others are 100% privately funded. I’d also say Florida and its cities are pretty fiscally responsible and run at a budget surplus also should note in the video they said the public funding will result in no extra taxes through 2030. I’m not sure this sets any precedent as everyone’s situation with their city state and local populations are so different
May 15, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: SoFi and I assume others are 100% privately funded. I’d also say Florida and its cities are pretty fiscally responsible and run at a budget surplus also should note in the video they said the public funding will result in no extra taxes through 2030. I’m not sure this sets any precedent as everyone’s situation with their city state and local populations are so different Yeah a lot of this seems very 2 faced with the NFL. Edited May 15, 20241 yr by 646empire
May 15, 20241 yr It does seem pretty strange to make market comparisons, as @BoomerangCleRes said each can be vastly different. A SOFI stadium exists in an entirely different economic universe than a stadium in Buffalo, Cleveland or JAX. Even build costs can vary a lot. It's like the only similarity is that nfl football teams play there.
May 15, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: SoFi and I assume others are 100% privately funded. I’d also say Florida and its cities are pretty fiscally responsible and run at a budget surplus also should note in the video they said the public funding will result in no extra taxes through 2030. I’m not sure this sets any precedent as everyone’s situation with their city state and local populations are so different No “new” taxes, but “an extension of a half-cent sales tax increase approved by voters in 2000.”
May 20, 20241 yr This would be nice. Hopedully Bob Corna gets to sell his idea to the Haslams and the city. https://fox8.com/news/a-covered-stadium-option-for-the-browns-on-the-lakefront-what-we-know/
May 21, 20241 yr Get the bumper sticker campaign going now: “This Cleveland Browns Fan says… HELL YEAH TO THE HEXATRON!”
May 21, 20241 yr I get it's easy to be cynical and refute ideas, and I'd like to change tone and be bullish about a stadium, but it's hard to take this one seriously. “That little thing right there. The casino? Yes, that will pay for everything,” Corna said. “The economics behind this are far superior to Brook Park. Far superior.” What? “All he needs is 10 minutes with me to see this,” Corna said. “He’ll see it. He’ll see it right away. Every question they’re running into in Brook Park, it’s been answered here. You can’t deny how wonderful that would be on the water front for people to live there, shop there, entertain there, gambling, it would all tie it together, I hope they see that.” What again? I'm sorry but I think that Ferrari dealership is about 1000 times more likely than this "proposal".
May 21, 20241 yr Yeah—the fact that the guy is proposing a re-hash of his decades old idea with little specifics and hasn’t spoken with the key party involved seems questionable. Perfect clickbait fodder for a tv news station, though.
May 21, 20241 yr And no consideration that Jimmy wants Brook Park primarily for that sweet parking revenue all to himself. All that development that would or would not occur is just a bonus.
May 21, 20241 yr So this would replace a stadium on the lakefront with... a stadium on the lakefront.
May 21, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, simplythis said: This would be nice. Hopedully Bob Corna gets to sell his idea to the Haslams and the city. https://fox8.com/news/a-covered-stadium-option-for-the-browns-on-the-lakefront-what-we-know/ IMO best idea yet. Cutting edge, keeps Browns downtown and allows for more development where current stadium is.
May 21, 20241 yr If by any chance Corna's Hexatron gets some consideration, How would we get a casino in the lake. This probably would require the Jack to move to the lake, because the state law allows only 1 casino with a possibility of some nearby extension ( as was discussed a decade ago with phase 2). Is there any way around that would allow the Jack to remain where it is and put a 2nd casino in the lake?
May 21, 20241 yr ^There would be a couple huge hoops to jump through… so likely not. The casino locations were literally written into the constitutional amendment; a change would require another constitutional amendment since the Ohio House and Senate would likely never pass any legislation allowing for another location in Cleveland. And even in another dimension where they actually would, DeWine would have to sign it.
May 24, 20241 yr Why aren’t the Browns buying this key piece of land? By Ken Prendergast / May 24, 2024 On Cuyahoga County real estate parcel maps, a narrow strip of land owned by FirstEnergy knifes into the heart of a Brook Park site the owner of the Cleveland Browns football team reportedly wants for a possible new domed stadium. Despite its prominence on the map, no one in Cleveland media apparently has asked its owner if it has any agreements with anyone for its potential sale — until now. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/05/24/why-arent-the-browns-buying-this-key-piece-of-land/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 24, 20241 yr Maybe it's just me but the only way a project of this magnitude gets built is with state and local government kicking in a billion dollars. Who sees that happening? If Haslam is serious about a dome in this location he's going to have to contribute most of the money. Sure he can afford it but unless he wants this for his ego l don't see him footing most of the bill. So it's back to downtown probably with a re-build on the current site. Which l'm ok with. I don't want the team leaving downtown anyway. Based on reports coming from other cities pushing back on these crazy stadium prices maybe the tide is beginning to turn. Two plus billion for a football stadium is one thing in the mega markets but for the Kansas City's and Cleveland's of this world they are simply an indulgence we can't (and shouldn't) contemplate.
May 24, 20241 yr Is this a drawing of Dreamliner over the airport or are those fireworks? Both indicate some problems with proximity. Thinking just now about the Secret Service (who oversee Superbowl security) and the likelihood of free-flowing airline traffic above a Superbowl stadium during the weeks surrounding game day - which of course would be an insanely busy time for airline traffic in-&-out of Cleveland if a Superbowl is being sold as part of this package. Burke and Hopkins are two different sized bags of potato chips Edited May 24, 20241 yr by ExPatClevGuy
May 24, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said: Is this a drawing of Dreamliner over the airport or are those fireworks? Both indicate some problems with proximity. Thinking just now about the Secret Service (who oversee Superbowl security) and the likelihood of free-flowing airline traffic above a Superbowl stadium during the weeks surrounding game day - which of course would be an insanely busy time for airline traffic in-&-out of Cleveland if a Superbowl is being sold as part of this package. Burke and Hopkins are two different sized bags of potato chips I don't believe the proximity to Hopkins would be an issue for holding a Super Bowl. SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles is also in a direct flight path to the nearby LAX Airport
June 4, 20241 yr State lawmakers support some stadium funding By Ken Prendergast / June 4, 2024 A new multi-purpose stadium sought by the owners of the Cleveland Browns in suburban Brook Park appears to be growing legs thanks to a willingness by state lawmakers to fund a significant portion of the stadium’s construction costs. The biggest questions at this time are how much state funding may be forthcoming and will it make a big enough dent in the public sector side of the financial equation. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/06/04/state-lawmakers-support-some-stadium-funding/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 4, 20241 yr If the state contribution is $300m and we continue to provide county-level TIF funding for the local contribution, OK -- move the field to Brook Park. I'm sure we can find better uses for our lakefront and I'm not interested in contributing more to a losing proposition. The city and county have a lot more things that need funding than a football field for a billionaire with more access to capital than the city.
June 4, 20241 yr Moving the stadium to Brook Park does not seem strategic for our region. But none of our elected leaders will go on the record to say anything besides milquetoast PR statements. The biggest question is if the stadium moves, what the heck happens to the space it left? Where will money come from to make that some beautiful public resource? Will the state give Cleveland more money for that if it’s funding hundreds of millions for a football stadium? Somebody needs to step up and take the lead with a vision besides the Haslams whose interest is just the Browns.
June 4, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, coneflower said: Moving the stadium to Brook Park does not seem strategic for our region. But none of our elected leaders will go on the record to say anything besides milquetoast PR statements. The biggest question is if the stadium moves, what the heck happens to the space it left? Where will money come from to make that some beautiful public resource? Will the state give Cleveland more money for that if it’s funding hundreds of millions for a football stadium? Somebody needs to step up and take the lead with a vision besides the Haslams whose interest is just the Browns. It would be strategic for ownership If Burke closes. A runway would still be 5 minutes away
June 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, coneflower said: Moving the stadium to Brook Park does not seem strategic for our region. But none of our elected leaders will go on the record to say anything besides milquetoast PR statements. The biggest question is if the stadium moves, what the heck happens to the space it left? Where will money come from to make that some beautiful public resource? Will the state give Cleveland more money for that if it’s funding hundreds of millions for a football stadium? Somebody needs to step up and take the lead with a vision besides the Haslams whose interest is just the Browns. Respectfully, it's completely dead around the stadium on non-game days. It'll look like crap if/when the browns leave until demo, but cruise around there now on most days and there's not much to look at.
June 5, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, GISguy said: Respectfully, it's completely dead around the stadium on non-game days. It'll look like crap if/when the browns leave until demo, but cruise around there now on most days and there's not much to look at. I don’t disagree. But what is the timeline and process to go from empty stadium to something else? We can all imagine many better uses for the space but if all the county and state money is flowing to a new stadium elsewhere, where do the resources come to improve this area? Based on a quick search the cost of demoing the stadium would be around $20M (someone can correct me but that seems to be the price for RFK). If we’re talking about city funding, how likely is council going to prioritize that with other resident needs? Especially if there is no funding to do something like a giant park that would require many millions more. The elected leaders responsible seem to be whistling past the graveyard. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by coneflower
June 5, 20241 yr Brook Park makes their play. City of Brook Park passes a resolution about Browns stadium project By Tim Bielik, cleveland.com Jun. 04, 2024 [T]he city of Brook Park has passed a resolution to “strongly” encourage the Browns to leave downtown Cleveland and build a new domed stadium in the spot of the old Ford plant near Interstate 71. ... Brook Park said in the resolution that it is ready to work with Haslam Sports Group to not only build a new domed stadium on the site, but also a mixed-use development area around the stadium. The city council also encouraged the Haslams to come to a meeting to discuss proposals and a possible collaboration. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2024/06/city-of-brook-park-passes-a-resolution-about-browns-stadium-project.html
June 5, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: State lawmakers support some stadium funding By Ken Prendergast / June 4, 2024 A new multi-purpose stadium sought by the owners of the Cleveland Browns in suburban Brook Park appears to be growing legs thanks to a willingness by state lawmakers to fund a significant portion of the stadium’s construction costs. The biggest questions at this time are how much state funding may be forthcoming and will it make a big enough dent in the public sector side of the financial equation. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/06/04/state-lawmakers-support-some-stadium-funding/ A TIF for the stadium could include income taxes from the people who work at the stadium? That is incredibly bleak.
June 5, 20241 yr If our so-called state leadership is willing to throw a lot of money at the Haslams to enable their new stadium in Brookpark and then do nothing to address the slightly important question - “what happens to Cleveland’s lakefront?” - they’re even more stupid and short sighted than you already thought - or there’s some other “persuasion” moving them in that direction. I think a downtown lakefront without the stadium could be an unbelievable opportunity for Cleveland - but I sure wish somebody in a leadership position would take this subject on -in public - before a “deal” gets finalized.
June 5, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, CleveFan said: If our so-called state leadership is willing to throw a lot of money at the Haslams to enable their new stadium in Brookpark and then do nothing to address the slightly important question - “what happens to Cleveland’s lakefront?” - they’re even more stupid and short sighted than you already thought - or there’s some other “persuasion” moving them in that direction. Giving money to one of the wealthiest people in the world for a privatized stadium means he can earn even more money, which can be converted into campaign donations. A new park in a deeeeeep blue area doesn't do that. But ya, like others have said, I really would need more info on the lake front plan with no stadium involved. Has the city even planned for that yet? Nothing will be built on the north side of the stadium until it's gone, so those lots will be empty until at least 2030 if the Browns decide to move. So even best case scenario with the Browns moving is some development in the early 2030s, but how rushed will the city be to tear down the stadium? For the Chargers stadium in San Diego, it took 13ish months from final game to completed tear down. And they already had a buyer lined up who was trying to hurry to build a new stadium. I could see the Browns Stadium sitting there for 2-3 years, and then getting torn down for some boring renderings that are then canceled for some tiny economic downturn excuse. Next thing we know it's 2035 and all we have is another parking lot in the city. I hate to be a Debby downer, but this is just what tends to happen here. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by PlanCleveland
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