14 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Everything else being set aside I hope the stadium design does look as good as the video rendering. I feel so many times the concept renderings look really amazing then they quietly trim and skimp to save on costs because the cool architecture usually means higher build costs. 

Like all the trees in the parking lots.  I guarantee when it's all done it's not gonna look like a stadium surrounded by a forest.

2 minutes ago, Ethan said:

More specifics are needed... Where is all this taxpayer money coming from? And what if he can't get that much in public funds? The decision has been "made," but what if he can only get $600,000,000 in public funds, is he still set on the location if he has to put in more of his own money? Will the Browns still move to Brook Park just with a less impressive new build? It seems like there may be a lot of specifics that still need to be worked out, which could mean there's still a chance for things to fall through or change drastically. 

Excuse me, but Jimmy and Dee have clearly thought out these "innovative funding mechanisms" that surely will lead to a massive ROI to the region. It's not like they have a bad track record of overpromising and breaking the law.

Very nice!

 

Its going to become much much more expensive to go to a game or be a season ticket holder. 

Looks like ~8 primary buildings, max height 10-12 stories. The stadium is roughly centered in the lot, but the development points directly south of the stadium towards Snow Road. This puts surface lots between the stadium/development and potential connections to the airport and Red Line (possibly due to FAA restrictions?). I would estimate the total development area with central plaza closer to ~25 acres, near my estimated maximum available area. 

 

Some grabs of the mixed use development / site layout from the video:

 

 

 

 

 

Was the prompt to make the development as flat, dark and hard to properly gauge as possible?

 

Christ I'm snarky today 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2024Aug 7 by TBideon

I would love to see if The Haslam Group has any renderings of a proposed renovation if the lakefront stadium was the fallback option

"And that does not include the approximately $1 billion privately funded phased development we are envisioning, which would also be tremendously impactful for our region."

 

Creative language. This part ain't happening.

Funding aside, I really like the renderings released just now. How many stadiums can say they're directly accessible by plane, light rail, and Amtrak? If you're going to place a stadium in the suburbs, this is likely the best way to do it.

 

I also like the stadium design itself. It looks different than the modern "cookie-cutter" designs (Raiders, Bears, Titans, potentially Chiefs), and the stands appear to be designed to accommodate numerous types of events. The continuous fan section in one of the end-zones that is uninterrupted by suites (akin to a European stadium) is a really nice touch... I'm guessing that'll be the new Dawg Pound?

 

As for the rest of the site's development? We'll see. 🙂

Hate to make the comparison but this looks like it’s designed off the cybertruck, even the logo above where it says browns is pretty much the cybertruck logo. I think the stadium looks great though, especially the all glass roof 
 

 

I was getting factory vibes 

55 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/a-letter-to-cleveland-browns-fans-across-northeast-ohio-and-beyond

 

Now imagine this stadium and surrounding buildings on the lakefront, just minus the surface parking lots. 

12 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

Looks like ~8 primary buildings, max height 10-12 stories. The stadium is roughly centered in the lot, but the development points directly south of the stadium towards Snow Road. This putz surface lots between the stadium/development and future connections to the airport and Red Line (possibly due to FAA restrictions?).

If that ends up being the placement of the mixed use development, that is tragic, a waste of potential, and seems doomed to fail. It needs to be near the redline/airport. Hopefully FAA restrictions aren't the problem, because I don't think there's any way around those. 

15 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

I was getting factory vibes 

 

I think you nailed it, one of the proposed buildings was 'The Bellows' an ode to steel/blast furnaces.

Just read through the statement…

”We have considered not only the Brook Park site but also other locations for a future dome stadium, including Burke Lakefront airport, which we have determined with the City of Cleveland is not feasible. We also cannot put a dome on the current building because of economic constraints and FAA restrictions. The Brook Park site is the most compelling option”

 

Did they just drop that closing Burke isn’t an option for Cleveland or is this purely because of the timeline 

Edited August 7, 2024Aug 7 by BoomerangCleRes

every aspect of the discussions the browns have had with the City, county,  state need to be made public

11 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Just read through the statement…

”We have considered not only the Brook Park site but also other locations for a future dome stadium, including Burke Lakefront airport, which we have determined with the City of Cleveland is not feasible. We also cannot put a dome on the current building because of economic constraints and FAA restrictions. The Brook Park site is the most compelling option”

 

Did they just drop that closing Burke isn’t an option for Cleveland or is this purely because of the timeline 

I read that as "it wouldn't be feasible to build a domed stadium and entertainment district at Burke," not that closing Burke isn't an option altogether. I think the former makes sense given what we've heard in the past about the inability to build on what's essentially a landfill.

 

Edit: Also, since there have been talks with Mayor Bibb and the FAA about closing Burke, I'm assuming the Browns aren't willing to wait-and-see if Burke closes and, with it, the removal of the FAA restrictions to build a domed stadium on the current stadium site.

Edited August 7, 2024Aug 7 by BuckeyeNative

Also thought it was funny the entire beginning of the video was of downtown Cleveland and its neighborhoods and then a millisecond view of brookpark 

12 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Just read through the statement…

”We have considered not only the Brook Park site but also other locations for a future dome stadium, including Burke Lakefront airport, which we have determined with the City of Cleveland is not feasible. We also cannot put a dome on the current building because of economic constraints and FAA restrictions. The Brook Park site is the most compelling option”

 

Did they just drop that closing Burke isn’t an option for Cleveland or is this purely because of the timeline 

also shines a light on the fact that they were willing to build east of downtown and Burke with both being shot down by the city

6 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

also shines a light on the fact that they were willing to build east of downtown and Burke with both being shot down by the city

Or not feasible

This is clearly a PR play to get fans to put pressure on the government at the state and local level to fund this thing. The fact that they haven't shared how they would pay for it STILL to me indicates they haven't figured out how to land the plane. So, lakefront is still there if they can't pull it off.

 

Would be curious what the Bengals ownership has to say about this in Columbus.

 

Haslams reveal Brook Park domed stadium plans
By Ken Prendergast / August 7, 2024

 

One day after NEOtrans broke the news that the Cleveland Browns’ home games would likely be moved from Downtown Cleveland to a proposed domed stadium in suburban Brook Park (and why), the football team’s owner Haslam Sports Group has outlined what that could look like. However, the Haslams stopped short of saying it was a done deal despite their obvious enthusiasm about the Brook Park stadium-development.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/08/07/haslams-reveal-brook-park-domed-stadium-plans/

Is it supposed to look like a steel mill?

1 hour ago, TBideon said:

Was the prompt to make the development as flat, dark and hard to properly gauge as possible?

 

Christ I'm snarky today 

 

 

I have noticed that the creative firm of Crepuscule & Aurora have been on retainer for the all the imagery so far. I think they’re trying to deflect from how open and barren the surrounds really are. 

Good video, but it would be interesting to see the site plan. Also wonder if they did any traffic studies and determined if any roadway or highway ramps would need to be modified/added.

 

Nice to see they acknowledged the RTA station. With the upcoming system train unification East Siders could potentially take a train there without needing to transfer. Would need to build a new station though.

3 minutes ago, Rustbelter said:

 Also wonder if they did any traffic studies and determined if any roadway or highway ramps would need to be modified/added.

 

 

Honestly what do you think?  Of course such traffic studies while be needed in the future as the development proceeds, but guess who is going to pay for that?

48 minutes ago, coneflower said:

This is clearly a PR play to get fans to put pressure on the government at the state and local level to fund this thing. The fact that they haven't shared how they would pay for it STILL to me indicates they haven't figured out how to land the plane. So, lakefront is still there if they can't pull it off.

 

Would be curious what the Bengals ownership has to say about this in Columbus.

I feel like they definitely have opened a can of worms with the $600 million to the Browns.

^@Htsguy, I have no idea. I know what they should have done, which is have an engineer on board to perform such a study. That would at least give them an understanding of what they're about to get into with ODOT and any landowners where easements may be needed. ODOT has a phased designed process that will not exactly move along quickly, not to mention whatever environmental or existing utility snafus that may come up. 

Edited August 7, 2024Aug 7 by Rustbelter

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

also shines a light on the fact that they were willing to build east of downtown and Burke with both being shot down by the city

 

I don't think building on the bluff was ever a realistic idea. Same goes for Burke if they want a build in the next 20 years. 

2 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

I was getting factory vibes 

I got horse barn vibes. 

How about the site of the old First Energy plant near Gordon Park? Was that an option? It is kind of far from downtown but at least it's in Cleveland.

 

Edited August 7, 2024Aug 7 by LibertyBlvd

1 hour ago, OldEnough said:

Is it supposed to look like a steel mill?

Factory of Sadness.

3 hours ago, tj111 said:

Like all the trees in the parking lots.  I guarantee when it's all done it's not gonna look like a stadium surrounded by a forest.

100% agree…if they plant and thoroughly maintain even half of those trees I will be so impressed that I will call the entire project a success.

4 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Well I live in the former and Kelly lives in the latter, both within sight of the Lake.   But "nicest" is a relative term and the prices indicate the demand is not massive.  Hell, there's at least two CMHA properties right on the lake, Lakeview Terrace and Euclid Beach Gardens, and that doesn't even include Section 8.

 

I'd mention the trailer park as well but that's being taken out for parkland, not residential.   

 

Lakeview Terrace, the Euclid Beach Gardens, and the trailer park on Lakeshore (which was for camping trailers as part of the original Euclid Beach and then made a trailer park after its closing) were built during different eras and wouldn’t be indicative of any current demand downtown where FES is.

2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Haslams reveal Brook Park domed stadium plans
By Ken Prendergast / August 7, 2024

 

One day after NEOtrans broke the news that the Cleveland Browns’ home games would likely be moved from Downtown Cleveland to a proposed domed stadium in suburban Brook Park (and why), the football team’s owner Haslam Sports Group has outlined what that could look like. However, the Haslams stopped short of saying it was a done deal despite their obvious enthusiasm about the Brook Park stadium-development.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/08/07/haslams-reveal-brook-park-domed-stadium-plans/

I believe it's spelled doomed.

3 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Also thought it was funny the entire beginning of the video was of downtown Cleveland and its neighborhoods and then a millisecond view of brookpark 

Typical "we bleed Cleveland" but wouldn't be caught dead living or working in Cleveland proper vibes

So will existing psl's transfer over? Or, we will need to purchase new licenses?

they discontinued the current ones, yea?

I didn’t see anything in the write-ups or video to indicate that the roof is retractable.   That's kind of a miss.   At least having the option for open air games during the warmer months would have been nice.

14 minutes ago, JohnSummit said:

I didn’t see anything in the write-ups or video to indicate that the roof is retractable.   That's kind of a miss.   At least having the option for open air games during the warmer months would have been nice.

 

Agree. Watching football indoors when it's 65 deg. outside will be depressing. 

I think it's safe to say Cleveland will land a Superbowl in the next 10 years.

5 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

How about the site of the old First Energy plant near Gordon Park? Was that an option? It is kind of far from downtown but at least it's in Cleveland.

 

Or even if they found a way to squeeze this into the riverside, sub-neighborhood of West Park, just north to northeast of the airport.  

12 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

they discontinued the current ones, yea?

They are no longer required for new season ticket holders. But, they still exist for us who have had tickets prior to 2013.

 

From the PSL Agreement:

 

4. PSL RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS A.  Recipient has the right and obligation to purchase season tickets for the Seats for all the Cleveland Browns home games (preseason, regular season and post-season) for as long as the Cleveland Browns play in the Stadium. 

 

So,my fear is that ownership reinstitutes PSL's and require all season ticker holders to purchse new licenses. 

16 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Also thought it was funny the entire beginning of the video was of downtown Cleveland and its neighborhoods and then a millisecond view of brookpark 

😎

27 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

😎

Brush Script, Cooper Black, AND Serpentine???

 

“Hi, I have 1995 on line 1 - they’d like their font selections back.”

 

🤪😜🙄

Dan DeRoos on Carman and Lima 92.3 saying Cleveland should pitch in or they would look bad. Because they are the Cleveland Browns after all. 

 

I swear, Bibb would be an even bigger clown than I've imagined if he pitches in for Jimmy to get his playground and inevitably take hotel guests, concerts (you're naive if this thing doesn't hurt Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse getting concerts), restaurant patrons, housing (ie Large amount of tax revenue) from downtown and Cleveland proper. I'm so sick of this mentality of "it's all Cleveland" in name only but not resource or revenue sharing. Cleveland is in the mess it is today because of this stupid mentality that the suburbs are "Cleveland" so let's move everything to them while depleting downtown/city proper of everything (Jobs, population,  entertinment, etc)

Can someone help me understand how much the Haslams are asking for from the public and where its supposed to be coming from? From what I have read they are only covering $1.2B which would leave $2.4B (1.2B for stadium and 1.2B for other phases) left to get from others.  But I would assume Cleveland wont give any, the County said they support a stadium downtown and the state said they dont have it when asked for just $600M. Am I missing something or is it really just noone knows yet?

31 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Dan DeRoos on Carman and Lima 92.3 saying Cleveland should pitch in or they would look bad. Because they are the Cleveland Browns after all. 

 

I swear, Bibb would be an even bigger clown than I've imagined if he pitches in for Jimmy to get his playground and inevitably take hotel guests, concerts (you're naive if this thing doesn't hurt Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse getting concerts), restaurant patrons, housing (ie Large amount of tax revenue) from downtown and Cleveland proper. I'm so sick of this mentality of "it's all Cleveland" in name only but not resource or revenue sharing. Cleveland is in the mess it is today because of this stupid mentality that the suburbs are "Cleveland" so let's move everything to them while depleting downtown/city proper of everything (Jobs, population,  entertinment, etc)

 

not only should the city not pitch in, but they should stonewall the team if they need to use the lakefront stadium for any amount of time after the lease expires. 

29 minutes ago, TDi said:

Can someone help me understand how much the Haslams are asking for from the public and where its supposed to be coming from? From what I have read they are only covering $1.2B which would leave $2.4B (1.2B for stadium and 1.2B for other phases) left to get from others.  But I would assume Cleveland wont give any, the County said they support a stadium downtown and the state said they dont have it when asked for just $600M. Am I missing something or is it really just noone knows yet?

 

And of that $600M how much is infrastructure improvements or is that a separate bucket? One advantage of the site out there is it still has large scale infrastructure, but the highways/roads will obviously need completely redone. 

13 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

 

not only should the city not pitch in, but they should stonewall the team if they need to use the lakefront stadium for any amount of time after the lease expires. 

 

As much as my petty side would love this, I think it is worth allowing the Browns to continue to use the stadium until they can move into Brookpark. (1) We can renegotiate the terms to hopefully be more favorable to the city for that interim period. (2) I think it's worth preserving a working relationship with Jim, like it or not the city will have to deal with him in some capacity even after he leaves. And with him seemingly making the pivot into the development space maybe there are other projects in the city he could take on. 

1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Dan DeRoos on Carman and Lima 92.3 saying Cleveland should pitch in or they would look bad. Because they are the Cleveland Browns after all. 

 

I swear, Bibb would be an even bigger clown than I've imagined if he pitches in for Jimmy to get his playground and inevitably take hotel guests, concerts (you're naive if this thing doesn't hurt Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse getting concerts), restaurant patrons, housing (ie Large amount of tax revenue) from downtown and Cleveland proper. I'm so sick of this mentality of "it's all Cleveland" in name only but not resource or revenue sharing. Cleveland is in the mess it is today because of this stupid mentality that the suburbs are "Cleveland" so let's move everything to them while depleting downtown/city proper of everything (Jobs, population,  entertinment, etc)

 

The city is paying, like all of us, if the state and county fill in the gaps for Jimmy. That's just dumb expecting the city of Cleveland to pay more. I can't listen to talk radio around here it's painful.