April 29Apr 29 What genius dreamed up this "Furthest East Dome in the United States" business? Like, so what? People from New York are going to drive here for events because our stadium is domed and MetLife isn't? It's just silly.
April 29Apr 29 Alright, I agree there's a lot of hyperbole being used with the whole "Furthest East Dome". What really needs to happen is an association with a proven tourist destination concept - I give you the Furthest East Largest Domed Ball of Twine (FELDBOT - rolls right off the tongue). People come to see the Ball of Twine, take in a game, dine at one of the many Michelin starred spots, go shopping at the luxury retailers and drive seven hours back to East Bumble####. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 29Apr 29 I think you posted this in the wrong....thread? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 29Apr 29 7 hours ago, Enginerd said:“We told DeWine this, we told legislators that. These reports are inaccurate.”Why aren’t you willing to provide any of these details to the public Jimmy? What did you tell them? What is inaccurate?Also…this is a horrible map. Who put this together? Why are the drive times in the table completely different than the drive times shaded in the map? Why are the stadium dots almost all in the wrong spots. My eyes hurt.Wow, you're right that's an insane map. I like that also they included all the other domes that are more convenient to people in the shaded region. With news that DC is getting a dome, I drew a quick map estimating people whose nearest dome would be Brook Park. Other than NE Ohio, it's really just Columbus, Pittsburgh, and Western NY (not even Cincinnati, Toledo, or Dayton!).
April 29Apr 29 I think what we're seeing is a dome is basically required now to have an NFL team in your region. The league may not say that is a policy but I bet by 2045 most teams will have dome or have plans to build domes.
April 29Apr 29 This controversy over the promise of new stadiums is not limited to the US.There’s one small problem with the urban regeneration argument: it doesn’t hold up against the evidence. Stadium-led revitalization is the myth that will survive the apocalypse. New stadiums, as a vast body of academic literature shows, bring few of the economic benefits that developers, team owners, and local politicians promise. Whatever stimulus they offer to economic activity in their immediate vicinity is invariably offset by a corresponding depression in spending and investment in other areas of the same city.New stadiums facilitate a transfer of wealth, within geographies and across classes. In many cases they may do more harm than good, saddling local communities with the costs of construction and diverting public funds from education and housing while siphoning off all the stadium’s future wealth for the team itself, which mostly means the team owners: a classic case of privatizing the profits while socializing the risks. Building new stadiums is great business for stadium architects, developers, facilities businesses, and team investors, and a lousy deal for everyone else. The financial flows involved – from the local community into the pockets of team owners – are as predictable as the designs of the stadiums themselves.https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/apr/29/football-soccer-stadiums-everton-nfl
April 29Apr 29 The Washington Commanders announced yesterday that they have a deal to build a new dome in D.C., a few miles down the road from the U.S. Capitol. That stadium would be scheduled to open in 2030, so furthest east might never happen, or maybe we could hold that title for a year.
April 29Apr 29 9 minutes ago, ML11 said:The Washington Commanders announced yesterday that they have a deal to build a new dome in D.C., a few miles down the road from the U.S. Capitol.That stadium would be scheduled to open in 2030, so furthest east might never happen, or maybe we could hold that title for a year.Yep. Posted on the previous page including in my latest article.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 29Apr 29 Its hilarious they're even using "drive times" as any kind of selling point considering the lakefront location (if renovated or rebuilt to have a roof) is literally a matter of minutes difference.
April 29Apr 29 46 minutes ago, daybreaker said:Its hilarious they're even using "drive times" as any kind of selling point considering the lakefront location (if renovated or rebuilt to have a roof) is literally a matter of minutes difference.thought the same thing, but I assume it's because there is no plan to build a dome on the lakefront, and this graphic is specific to domed stadiums?
April 30Apr 30 https://fox8.com/news/i-team/i-team-cuyahoga-county-executive-asks-state-for-350m-to-renovate-current-browns-stadium/
April 30Apr 30 Moving ahead on Brook Park site. https://fox8.com/news/i-team/i-team-work-moving-ahead-for-browns-dome-even-with-funding-fight/
April 30Apr 30 23 hours ago, Enginerd said:Also…this is a horrible map. Who put this together? Why are the drive times in the table completely different than the drive times shaded in the map? Why are the stadium dots almost all in the wrong spots. My eyes hurt.There, I fixed it. That really made me mad 😂
April 30Apr 30 Just now, DO_Summers said: 6 hours ago, Enginerd said: There, I fixed it. That really made me mad 😂Great! Can I send my work PowerPoint slides to you for editing? @Enginerd PS, maybe it was prescient by the slide's original creator to move Buffalo into Canada - our presumptive future 51st state. And move the East coast cities inland so they don't get flooded out by sea rise. 😟 Edited April 30Apr 30 by DO_Summers
April 30Apr 30 Ronayne seeks $350M to renovate lakefront stadiumBy Ken Prendergast / April 30, 2025Cuyahoga County Executive Chris Ronayne has submitted a request for $350 million in state bonds to fund the renovation of the existing, city-owned Huntington Bank Field on Downtown Cleveland’s lakefront. He says it is a fair, affordable request that’s on par with what Cincinnati is seeking to rebuild its own existing football stadium.MORE:https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/30/ronayne-seeks-350m-to-renovate-lakefront-stadium/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 30Apr 30 A big no from me. Not until the courts or ownership decide what happens to the expansion team that's gone .336 since 1999.And that's rounding UP.
April 30Apr 30 24 minutes ago, TBideon said:A big no from me. Not until the courts or ownership decide what happens to the expansion team that's gone .336 since 1999.And that's rounding UP.So just continue to let our existing stadium to age until we have an overall winning percentage that's over .500? Yeah they'll be gone by that time.
April 30Apr 30 Reading the replies to any story concerning this on social media now has turned me into such a condescending, smug prick and I'm not even ashamed to say it anymore. The vast majority of the general public have no understanding about the dynamics of this, the economic environment, funding, the demographics of Northeast Ohio, they just don't have a clue. I'm glad guys like Chris Ronayne have been resilient enough to blank out that sort of noise and give in.
April 30Apr 30 24 minutes ago, snakebite said:Reading the replies to any story concerning this on social media now has turned me into such a condescending, smug prick and I'm not even ashamed to say it anymore. The vast majority of the general public have no understanding about the dynamics of this, the economic environment, funding, the demographics of Northeast Ohio, they just don't have a clue. I'm glad guys like Chris Ronayne have been resilient enough to blank out that sort of noise and give in.Some person on reddit was like blah blah blah they aren't taking funding away from anyone you're full of it/stop fear mongering, then I proceeded to explain a TIF to them and they've been silent since.
April 30Apr 30 Wasn't a dome just approved for Wash. DC? So Ohio certainly wouldn't be the "furthest east dome" either.13 hours ago, Enginerd said: Edited April 30Apr 30 by willyboy
April 30Apr 30 1 hour ago, willyboy said:Wasn't a dome just approved for Wash. DC? So Ohio certainly wouldn't be the "furthest east dome" either.They grabbed that graphic from my article two days ago which addressed this. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 1May 1 Additional hotel taxes to fund Brook Park dome? https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/cleveland-hotel-owners-don-t-make-us-pay-for-browns-brook-park-stadium/ar-AA1DVvCP?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=acccd240a72b4c43cccde40e1bac4125&ei=19
May 1May 1 Ultimately HSG will raise ticket prices and parking prices for attending any activity at a Brook Park location to fulfill their needs to pay the State bonds they are seeking. This is a bait and switch for the public to finance and line Jimmy and Dee Haslam's pockets without them ever taking on the responsibility themselves. Shouldn't the 50 million they set aside if their estimates come in wrong just be used to reduce the amount they ask by that amount?Where are the estimated costs for all the road infrastructure Brook Park and HSG require for that site? Those numbers aren't included in any budget yet and whom pays for that?
May 1May 1 DeWine says dome would be 'a good thing'https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/ronayne-pushes-to-keep-browns-downtown-dewine-says-dome-would-be-a-good-thing
May 1May 1 Man is DeWine frustrating. Just state clearly what you want and what you're going to do. You don't need to sell the people of Ohio on this being a bad deal and you should already have a good sense of whether the legislature has the votes to override a veto.
May 1May 1 I agree hes sort of playing both sides of the fence, but I also think hes been wise not to rush into a veto other. Theres a lot of things that have happened since the house included the stadium funds in the budget. In the last week or so alone we've had two state affiliated studies shooting down the feasibility of it, we've had the county exec laying the foundations for a more economically feasible request and we've now had the DC dome announcement poking in holes in the angle they are coming at to get the concept over. I think its sensible to let things play out, it will almost defeat itself naturally the way things are going. Its much easier to justify when you let all of these things play out first to build your argument.
May 1May 1 I think you're right in that letting it play out provides him with more ammunition to kill this, but I just don't think he needs more. I'll call it what it is, this funding plan is being driven entirely by bought and paid for Republicans. My hunch is that the people of Ohio are either against this, don't know about it, or don't care. I think there's very few Ohioans who think this is a good idea.
May 2May 2 Here is another billionaire whom is doing the right thing and not asking for any money from taxpayers to renovate The Honda Center in Anaheim California. The cost is $1.1BN. And they don't even own Honda Center. The city of Anaheim owns it.Yet in Ohio HSG is expecting us to pay for half the cost for his project that nobody asked for or considered what the region could afford. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/04/29/anaheims-honda-center-getting-privately-funded-11b-renovation/
May 2May 2 In Statehouse poll, lawmakers cast skeptical eye on bond plan for Browns stadiumhttps://www.crainscleveland.com/politics-policy/support-lacking-browns-bond-plan-statehouse
May 2May 2 A little TL;DR to the article posted by simplythis:Two-thirds of 43 respondents — all members of the state House or Senate and all participating anonymously — answered "no" to this question: “Should lawmakers support the Cleveland Browns’ proposal to fund construction of a new stadium through state bond?”Pollsters consider this a good response rate, and a good polling representation of the General Assembly.Pollsters said the results showed that only 35% of Republican respondents were in favor of the measure, while 46% were against and 19% were undecided. All Democrats who responded were not in favor of the bond measure.
May 2May 2 Sure, and l still don't trust the Legislature. The proposal doesn't appear to have the votes...until, miraculously it does. Voters may have the numbers but somehow the leadership either waters it down or simply passes it. Jimmy has greased some wheels in Columbus. I still think we're getting a dome in BP.
May 3May 3 New steps to clear the way for Browns dome complexhttps://fox8.com/news/i-team-new-steps-to-clear-the-way-for-browns-dome-complex/
May 5May 5 Cleveland hotel owners: Don’t make us pay for Browns’ Brook Park stadiumMore opposition. Hotel owners do not support Brook Park plan.“No worries here:” OH lawmakers shrug off questionable Browns stadium revenue projectionsSenate President Rob McColley admits in this article he hasn't even read the recent financial projections!Ultimately the comments from the likes of McColley are why I think this passes despite all the various concerns. Many of those in the halls of power have made it clear they do not care or know about the economics surrounding this.
May 5May 5 Opinion: Why moving the Browns' stadium to Brook Park is a misstep for Northeast Ohiohttps://www.crainscleveland.com/commentary/moving-browns-stadium-brook-park-misstep
May 5May 5 The way I read the comments last week by HSG is that its gotten personal and things look completely fractured with the city and thats not even a plan B at this point. I hope I'm wrong, but I think its more likely they come back with a site in an adjacent county or the Brook Park plan is stripped back at this point if the current proposal doesn't make it.Both Haslam and Jenkins said they are putting all their efforts toward building an enclosed stadium in Brook Park, and team officials said talks of renovating the current stadium are in the past. Jenkins said talks to renovate the current stadium have stalled. Edited May 5May 5 by snakebite
May 5May 5 1 hour ago, snakebite said:The way I read the comments last week by HSG is that its gotten personal and things look completely fractured with the city and thats not even a plan B at this point. I hope I'm wrong, but I think its more likely they come back with a site in an adjacent county or the Brook Park plan is stripped back at this point if the current proposal doesn't make it.Both Haslam and Jenkins said they are putting all their efforts toward building an enclosed stadium in Brook Park, and team officials said talks of renovating the current stadium are in the past. Jenkins said talks to renovate the current stadium have stalled.If Jimmy decides to build in a separate county, then he should be vilified even more for the amount he is asking from the public. Because no way in hell can Medina, Geauga, Lake, etc afford a 600 million hand out like they're asking from Cuyahoga.
May 6May 6 Here is something interesting from the history books in 1986 regarding another Governor and a Dome in Cleveland.Rhodes : $ 100 million for stadiumAssociated Press CLEVELAND - Saying Gov . Richard Celeste hasn ' t done enough to support a proposed domed stadium in Cleveland , Republican gubernatorial candidate James A . Rhodes said Wednesday he would commit $ 100 million in state money to the project if elected ^ ____^__"I promise to be in Cleveland at 4 p . m . the day after the November election to work out a complete program with the local officials to get the dome built , " Rhodes said . "I would be prepared to commit state financial help for the project . " Asked how much the state would provide , Rhodes replied : "I think you ' re looking at 75-100 million dollars , whether it ' s a loan or the state gives it to you . " Gerry Austin , Celeste ' s campaign manager , called Rhodes ' $ 100 million promise " typical Jim Rhodes balderdash . " "He makes promises , promises ,promises which he is never able to keep , " Austin said from his Columbus office . Austin said Celeste has been a strong supporter of the domed stadium and has worked closely with civic and governmental leaders on the project . Dennis Lafferty , executive director of the Greater Cleveland Domed Stadium Corporation , also objected to Rhodes' comments on Celeste ' s support . Lafferty said Celeste had brought together a civic committee in January 198 S to get the domed stadium issue back on track , after Cuyahoga County voters rejected a property tax increase to build a domed stadium , "The governor came in at that point , and he has stuck with it , " said Lafferty . "He has done everything that we have asked him to do . He has pitched in totally . " The Domed Stadium Corporation , a non-profit group , was formed in June 1985 to coordinate efforts to build a domed stadium in downtown Cleveland to replace the city-owned Cleveland Stadium . Financing plans call for twothirds to come from the private sector and the remaining onethird from the public sector .
May 7May 7 Lawmakers debate funding for Browns dome project againhttps://fox8.com/news/i-team/lawmakers-debate-funding-for-browns-dome-project-again-i-team/
May 7May 7 Cleveland SceneExclusive: Rendering Shows How Cleveland Browns Would Ren...As the Haslams push for a dome in Brook Park, Scene has obtained a rendering of the much talked about but never publicly seen plan B, which remains a real possibility
May 7May 7 44 minutes ago, MikeyB440 said:Cleveland SceneExclusive: Rendering Shows How Cleveland Browns Would Ren...As the Haslams push for a dome in Brook Park, Scene has obtained a rendering of the much talked about but never publicly seen plan B, which remains a real possibilityYesssssssss we finally have a leaked image. I was hoping for the entire plan, but this is a good start. It looks amazing, would jumpstart lakefront development, and save over a billion in public money vs Brook Park and the road/highway changes that would be needed over there. What's not to like? Other than Jimmy missing out on some parking revenue...
May 7May 7 1 hour ago, MikeyB440 said:Cleveland SceneExclusive: Rendering Shows How Cleveland Browns Would Ren...As the Haslams push for a dome in Brook Park, Scene has obtained a rendering of the much talked about but never publicly seen plan B, which remains a real possibilityA couple things to note from first glance (outside of the obvious exterior updates): The scoreboard has been replaced for a larger one and I see they included a high rise building next to the stadium which to me makes me feel like there are more lined up in front of it. I also like the surrounding plaza improvements.
May 7May 7 45 minutes ago, PlanCleveland said:Yesssssssss we finally have a leaked image. I was hoping for the entire plan, but this is a good start.It looks amazing, would jumpstart lakefront development, and save over a billion in public money vs Brook Park and the road/highway changes that would be needed over there.What's not to like? Other than Jimmy missing out on some parking revenue...And hundreds of millions in new PSL's......But I agree!!!!!!
May 7May 7 The one rendering of the actual stadium renovation we have seen I am not a fan of, but if truth be told I am much more interested in the mixed use development so I do not think that image really we have does things justice. You can see what looks like some sort of mid rise tower peaking out on the right hand side. I would like to see more. The social media responses are entirely predictable. It's the same crowd who probably scream taxation is theft.
May 7May 7 It looks ok, not blown away by this one image. Looks similar to what was done to Rocket Arena in its latest renovation enclosing formerly exterior space with glass.Would be nice to see some attempt at covering the field area though, maybe with the structure added to support a fabric roof of some kind. Won't fully enclose it, but will keep the venue dry when events are held in the warmer weather months.I think having some of the main concourse enclosed and heated as what appears to be shown, will help to offset some of the discomfort that comes with sitting in an outdoor stadium in December.
May 7May 7 I think this looks great. Give the Haslams a $1/yr 30yr lease on the surrounding land to build the surrounding buildings with retail, parking garages, office, and condos or something to get it done. I dunno. This just seems like a MUCH better scenario for the city, county, and team.
May 7May 7 Brook Park and HSG have requested another meeting with ODOT to discuss Snow Road & I-71 work 💸💸💸💸💸
May 7May 7 Officials urge Haslams to publicly release their Lakefront Stadium renovation plansBy Ken Prendergast / May 7, 2025After the first image of a renovated Huntington Bank Field on Downtown Cleveland’s lakefront was publicly released today by Scene Magazine, local officials are asking why it and other images weren’t released sooner by the owners of the Cleveland Browns so that the public could have a more informed opinion on which stadium plan to support.MORE:https://neo-trans.blog/2025/05/07/officials-urge-haslams-to-publicly-release-their-lakefront-stadium-renovation-plans/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 7May 7 Jimmy hasn't disclosed the renovation renderings because he DOES NOT want the public to see them. He just wants the public to help pay for Brook Park without seeing any renovations renderings so that hecan control the parking revenue. He is all about himself
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