May 28May 28 8 minutes ago, Jenny said:That was somewhat my point. I don't think the City had to lose them. It seemed the focus was too centered on them staying put at their current location, which didn't work with Haslam's vision. My initial thought at the beginning was relocating them to the Wolstein Center site, which allows Haslam to acquire properties around it for redevelopment. Or the St Vincent Hospital site.The thing that contradicts that thought process though, is that it was the Haslams that approached the city about reimagining the stadium on the lakefront.Then, they ghosted the city and popped up in Brookpark! Edited May 28May 28 by Mov2Ohio
May 28May 28 2 hours ago, Jenny said:I'll go back several months and bring up a basic point. It's shocking to me that the City of Cleveland isn't ecstatic they have the potential to reclaim premium lakefront property for year round revenue generating developments, and sought out a viable option within the City of Cleveland through the land bank, or some othere group to move them to. The fact they want them to remain in place makes very little sense to me. Unless they have zero trust in private development actually occurring due to an extreme lack of interest. If that's the case, that's unfortunate.It would be super tough to develop anything year-round on that spot, with the cold and wind.
May 28May 28 1 hour ago, Mendo said:I can see the silver lining of getting rid of the huge parking demand on the lakefront. But Cleveland sees it as a competing venue outside city limits that will draw events and dollars from downtown. Long term they should also see it as competition when the Cavs and Guardians ask for a new stadium and see an ocean of parking and related infrastructure in Brook Park.I'll need to see if I can find the quote, but I believe when the current renovations were bring talked about the Guardians said they wanted to make Progressive Field a "new Fenway" and make it a classic park that will be around for a long time. If that's the case I dont think we'll see the same sprint to a parking lot sea in the future.
May 28May 28 The more I think about it, the more I would much rather have the Browns leave the area all together than giving them a penny to move to Brook Park. I am sick of billionaires getting their way at the taxpayer expense. Businesses and people will shift their season tickets to the Cavs and Guardians. I know the 90s were just the perfect scenario where everything went right with the sell outs back when Jacobs field could seat 45k but I have to imagine the Guardians attendance and viewership would go up massively in the region overtime if the Browns left. That in turn could cause the owners to spend more and all that good stuff. The Browns have been nothing but misery aside from a couple of seasons my whole life (born in 90) and them going would be a bummer initially but at least I would be free of the annual torture.
May 28May 28 1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:The more I think about it, the more I would much rather have the Browns leave the area all together For those of us who were around in the late 90s, this borders on treason.The reputational hit the city would take would be tremendous, as would the economic hit for the whole region.The Browns and the Tribe only overlap 1-2 months.
May 28May 28 1 hour ago, E Rocc said:It would be super tough to develop anything year-round on that spot, with the cold and wind.Cleveland is a northern climate, waterfront city. It is what it is. Between Toledo and Buffalo, the southern shore of Lake Erie is extremely heavily developed and it is no different than in dozens of cities across the world. I don't see how weather is a factor at all for this site.
May 28May 28 1 minute ago, Dino said:Cleveland is a northern climate, waterfront city. It is what it is. Between Toledo and Buffalo, the southern shore of Lake Erie is extremely heavily developed and it is no different than in dozens of cities across the world. I don't see how weather is a factor at all for this site.Ikr! I'm sure that was totally the mindset of every developer who built a skyscraper anywhere in coastal Toronto
May 28May 28 2 hours ago, MikeyB440 said:I'll need to see if I can find the quote, but I believe when the current renovations were bring talked about the Guardians said they wanted to make Progressive Field a "new Fenway" and make it a classic park that will be around for a long time. If that's the case I dont think we'll see the same sprint to a parking lot sea in the future.Ya not to get too off topic, but I think this is a huge point. Harris/Blitzer have already started to buy property Downtown, and view that Downtown real estate development as their way to make more money and have more fans closer to the stadium. KJP mentioned Harris/Blitzer working together with Bedrock on projects. Progressive is one of the best stadiums in baseball, and should be a stadium that is around for 100 years. HSG just wants an easy monopoly on parking revenue. They don't seem interested on taking the risk of becoming real estate developers.
May 28May 28 2 hours ago, E Rocc said:It would be super tough to develop anything year-round on that spot, with the cold and wind.You say this any time the lake comes up. Go to Buffalo - they have tons of outdoor activites in spite of the cold and wind (two full size ice rinks open to the elements!, skating on the Old Erie Canal!), Detroit is bustling in winter, Chicago has people out and about, and other cities do just fine by embracing their climate. Yeah! We live on a windy great lake, but there's no reason we can't embrace it.There are a handful of days where the wind rolling up E9 is enough to make you duck into a building but that's what warming huts and businesses are for, aka potential development down there. Edited May 28May 28 by GISguy
May 28May 28 Brook Park mayor meets with state senators and house representatives, about Browns’ new domeBy Brittany WierPublished: May 28, 2025 at 4:20 PM EDT|Updated: 2 hours agoCOLUMBUS, Ohio (WOIO) - Brook Park Mayor Edward Orcutt traveled down to Columbus Wednesday to meet with Ohio Gov. DeWine, state senators and house representatives about the Browns’ new dome and mixed-use facility.“We have been down here showing our support for the city of Brook Park and our excitement for this wonderful project,” said Orcutt.He said the reason for these meetings is to iron out the details of the multi-billion dollar project.Orcutt shared a main concern for the legislature is having everyone one the same page.“We assured them that yes, there is support — not only from my administration, the mayor’s office — but also from city council,” said Orcutt.He says the each city council member in Brook Park signed a letter of support for the new dome.Those letters have been sent to every senator and representative in the statehouse.“As they have been working on this and learning more and more about this project, they see the potential for economic development in the region, the city of Brook Park, and how wonderful this will be for the state of Ohio,” said Orcutt.On Wednesday, the mayor said he specifically met with the senate finance chairman about future funding.“We had another conversation about this, just to make sure we clarified and checked this project out from A to Z, to make sure that Brook Park is prepared to host an NFL stadium,” said Orcutt.Traffic and infrastructure were a major concern for some representatives.The mayor said they have a plan to make sure traffic can easily get in and out of the stadium, while protecting the airport.“Brook Park was built to handle 22,000 vehicles a day with Ford Motor Company. We are going to make other improvements, and we will share those traffic study reports when they are complete this summer,” said Orcutt.He said he plans to have a constant presence in Columbus until the state budget approval at the end of June.https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/05/28/brook-park-mayor-meets-with-gov-dewine-state-representatives-about-browns-new-dome/
May 28May 28 5 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:Ya not to get too off topic, but I think this is a huge point. Harris/Blitzer have already started to buy property Downtown, and view that Downtown real estate development as their way to make more money and have more fans closer to the stadium. KJP mentioned Harris/Blitzer working together with Bedrock on projects.Progressive is one of the best stadiums in baseball, and should be a stadium that is around for 100 years.HSG just wants an easy monopoly on parking revenue. They don't seem interested on taking the risk of becoming real estate developers.Bedrock/HBSE should ask for $600 million in bonds for what would be a far more economically beneficial project. The state is about to set the precedent of handing out truckloads of free money at a very low bar. It'll be open season following this as far as I'm concerned.
May 29May 29 1 hour ago, simplythis said:Brook Park mayor meets with state senators and house representatives, about Browns’ new domeBy Brittany WierPublished: May 28, 2025 at 4:20 PM EDT|Updated: 2 hours agoCOLUMBUS, Ohio (WOIO) - Brook Park Mayor Edward Orcutt traveled down to Columbus Wednesday to meet with Ohio Gov. DeWine, state senators and house representatives about the Browns’ new dome and mixed-use facility.“We have been down here showing our support for the city of Brook Park and our excitement for this wonderful project,” said Orcutt.He said the reason for these meetings is to iron out the details of the multi-billion dollar project.Orcutt shared a main concern for the legislature is having everyone one the same page.“We assured them that yes, there is support — not only from my administration, the mayor’s office — but also from city council,” said Orcutt.He says the each city council member in Brook Park signed a letter of support for the new dome.Those letters have been sent to every senator and representative in the statehouse.“As they have been working on this and learning more and more about this project, they see the potential for economic development in the region, the city of Brook Park, and how wonderful this will be for the state of Ohio,” said Orcutt.On Wednesday, the mayor said he specifically met with the senate finance chairman about future funding.“We had another conversation about this, just to make sure we clarified and checked this project out from A to Z, to make sure that Brook Park is prepared to host an NFL stadium,” said Orcutt.Traffic and infrastructure were a major concern for some representatives.The mayor said they have a plan to make sure traffic can easily get in and out of the stadium, while protecting the airport.“Brook Park was built to handle 22,000 vehicles a day with Ford Motor Company. We are going to make other improvements, and we will share those traffic study reports when they are complete this summer,” said Orcutt.He said he plans to have a constant presence in Columbus until the state budget approval at the end of June.https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/05/28/brook-park-mayor-meets-with-gov-dewine-state-representatives-about-browns-new-dome/Increasing capacity to support 43,000 more people is something that is MUCH easier said than done. Also the difference with supporting 22,000 cars from ford and 65,000 Browns fans is one is spread out throughout the day and the other is testing the limits of the traffic grid all at once. That is a BIG difference. Also you can only add so many lanes, and adding traffic infrastructure to support a venue that Is used 10 times per year seems so financially reckless.
May 29May 29 49 minutes ago, simplythis said:Brook Park mayor meets with state senators and house representatives, about Browns’ new domeBy Brittany WierPublished: May 28, 2025 at 4:20 PM EDT|Updated: 2 hours agoCOLUMBUS, Ohio (WOIO) - Brook Park Mayor Edward Orcutt traveled down to Columbus Wednesday to meet with Ohio Gov. DeWine, state senators and house representatives about the Browns’ new dome and mixed-use facility.“We have been down here showing our support for the city of Brook Park and our excitement for this wonderful project,” said Orcutt.He said the reason for these meetings is to iron out the details of the multi-billion dollar project.Orcutt shared a main concern for the legislature is having everyone one the same page.“We assured them that yes, there is support — not only from my administration, the mayor’s office — but also from city council,” said Orcutt.He says the each city council member in Brook Park signed a letter of support for the new dome.Those letters have been sent to every senator and representative in the statehouse.“As they have been working on this and learning more and more about this project, they see the potential for economic development in the region, the city of Brook Park, and how wonderful this will be for the state of Ohio,” said Orcutt.On Wednesday, the mayor said he specifically met with the senate finance chairman about future funding.“We had another conversation about this, just to make sure we clarified and checked this project out from A to Z, to make sure that Brook Park is prepared to host an NFL stadium,” said Orcutt.Traffic and infrastructure were a major concern for some representatives.The mayor said they have a plan to make sure traffic can easily get in and out of the stadium, while protecting the airport.“Brook Park was built to handle 22,000 vehicles a day with Ford Motor Company. We are going to make other improvements, and we will share those traffic study reports when they are complete this summer,” said Orcutt.He said he plans to have a constant presence in Columbus until the state budget approval at the end of June.https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/05/28/brook-park-mayor-meets-with-gov-dewine-state-representatives-about-browns-new-dome/Love how the traffic study will be completed in the summer when the budget is to be approved in June. Could they not have workedon t24 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:Increasing capacity to support 43,000 more people is something that is MUCH easier said than done. Also the difference with supporting 22,000 cars from ford and 65,000 Browns fans is one is spread out throughout the day and the other is testing the limits of the traffic grid all at once. That is a BIG difference. Also you can only add so many lanes, and adding traffic infrastructure to support a venue that Is used 10 times per year seems so financially reckless.But don't worry the traffic study may or may not be done before the vote occurs.
May 29May 29 2 hours ago, simplythis said:Brook Park mayor meets with state senators and house representatives, about Browns’ new domeBy Brittany WierPublished: May 28, 2025 at 4:20 PM EDT|Updated: 2 hours agoCOLUMBUS, Ohio (WOIO) - Brook Park Mayor Edward Orcutt traveled down to Columbus Wednesday to meet with Ohio Gov. DeWine, state senators and house representatives about the Browns’ new dome and mixed-use facility.“We have been down here showing our support for the city of Brook Park and our excitement for this wonderful project,” said Orcutt.He said the reason for these meetings is to iron out the details of the multi-billion dollar project.Orcutt shared a main concern for the legislature is having everyone one the same page.“We assured them that yes, there is support — not only from my administration, the mayor’s office — but also from city council,” said Orcutt.He says the each city council member in Brook Park signed a letter of support for the new dome.Those letters have been sent to every senator and representative in the statehouse.“As they have been working on this and learning more and more about this project, they see the potential for economic development in the region, the city of Brook Park, and how wonderful this will be for the state of Ohio,” said Orcutt.On Wednesday, the mayor said he specifically met with the senate finance chairman about future funding.“We had another conversation about this, just to make sure we clarified and checked this project out from A to Z, to make sure that Brook Park is prepared to host an NFL stadium,” said Orcutt.Traffic and infrastructure were a major concern for some representatives.The mayor said they have a plan to make sure traffic can easily get in and out of the stadium, while protecting the airport.“Brook Park was built to handle 22,000 vehicles a day with Ford Motor Company. We are going to make other improvements, and we will share those traffic study reports when they are complete this summer,” said Orcutt.He said he plans to have a constant presence in Columbus until the state budget approval at the end of June.https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/05/28/brook-park-mayor-meets-with-gov-dewine-state-representatives-about-browns-new-dome/So the mayor of Brookpark is essentially an HSG lobbyist. Wonder if he just doesn't care that he's a useful tool or if he doesn't realize it. Have some pride man.
May 29May 29 The lawsuits over the Browns’ Brook Park move is proof of leadership failure -- and it’s costing taxpayershttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-lawsuits-over-the-browns-brook-park-move-is-proof-of-leadership-failure-and-it-s-costing-taxpayers/ar-AA1FDXGb?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=cdca480ace8d44edc5979a2023686447&ei=8
May 29May 29 16 hours ago, GISguy said:You say this any time the lake comes up. Go to Buffalo - they have tons of outdoor activites in spite of the cold and wind (two full size ice rinks open to the elements!, skating on the Old Erie Canal!), Detroit is bustling in winter, Chicago has people out and about, and other cities do just fine by embracing their climate. Yeah! We live on a windy great lake, but there's no reason we can't embrace it.There are a handful of days where the wind rolling up E9 is enough to make you duck into a building but that's what warming huts and businesses are for, aka potential development down there.I say this every time the Lake comes up because I live right on it, in the section between Edgewater Park and Fairport Harbor where the shoreline breaks sharply to the northeast. I live this.We get California beach-like sunsets. We also get winter winds directly off the Lake that have been completely unobstructed for 50+ miles.From Edgewater west it's much milder because unless the wind is coming from nearly due north it's not coming off the lake. Detroit and Chicago are similar. Even Buffalo is not directly exposed to the north winds over the water. Of course Toronto isn't.With the exception of Bratenhal, the lakeshore towers on the east side (city and suburbs) are much cheaper places to live than the west, despite the views. This is why. It also has a lot to do with what causes lake effect s***.Winter weather in NE Ohio is much like residential density. While some indeed embrace it, the majority endure it as necessary.
May 29May 29 7 minutes ago, E Rocc said:I say this every time the Lake comes up because I live right on it, in the section between Edgewater Park and Fairport Harbor where the shoreline breaks sharply to the northeast. I live this.We get California beach-like sunsets. We also get winter winds directly off the Lake that have been completely unobstructed for 50+ miles.From Edgewater west it's much milder because unless the wind is coming from nearly due north it's not coming off the lake. Detroit and Chicago are similar. Even Buffalo is not directly exposed to the north winds over the water. Of course Toronto isn't.With the exception of Bratenhal, the lakeshore towers on the east side (city and suburbs) are much cheaper places to live than the west, despite the views. This is why. It also has a lot to do with what causes lake effect s***.Winter weather in NE Ohio is much like residential density. While some indeed embrace it, the majority endure it as necessary.Man, your post isn't even internally consistent. "From Edgewater west it's much milder because unless the wind is coming from nearly due north it's not coming off the lake. Detroit and Chicago are similar. Even Buffalo is not directly exposed to the north winds over the water.Buffalo is due east of Lake Erie which is where you, correctly, say the wind is coming from off the lake and Buffalo famously gets huge amounts of lake effect snow.
June 2Jun 2 Posting this quote here cause it’s 1000% relevant to this situation.A massive indoor event space next to the airport, surrounded by interstate highways, that hosts large events year round? Must be an economic powerhouse for the region, right?“Slife said the events at the I-X Center have spurred less economic development in the area than many would expect, since people often drive to events and then drive home. There aren’t many retail or entertainment options near the building.”clevelandI-X Center may close again as ‘Fortune 100’ company eyes...The I-X Center may permanently close now that a “Fortune 100” company wants the building.
June 2Jun 2 Going to the AC/DC concert last week and comparing it to if it was at brook park was a hilarious thought of foot traffic and car traffic after the event
June 3Jun 3 I had asked the mods to unlock this thread so I could post this piece. I thought this was a knockout blow by Larkin....clevelandGreater Cleveland business leaders betray most important...Brent Larkin argues that the Greater Cleveland Partnership’s support for the Haslams’ suburban stadium plan is a profound betrayal of Cleveland’s legacy of public-private unity, prompting a justifi... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3Jun 3 2 minutes ago, KJP said:I had asked the mods to unlock this thread so I could post this piece. I thought this was a knockout blow by Larkin....clevelandGreater Cleveland business leaders betray most important...Brent Larkin argues that the Greater Cleveland Partnership’s support for the Haslams’ suburban stadium plan is a profound betrayal of Cleveland’s legacy of public-private unity, prompting a justifi...After reading the typical "what the hell does Brent Larking know" social media comments, would hardly call it a knockout blow. Just re-affirms what all of us here are thinking, That this entire project is a grift for Jimmy to get that sweet parking revenue and events poached from downtown.
June 3Jun 3 5 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:After reading the typical "what the hell does Brent Larking know" social media comments, would hardly call it a knockout blow. Just re-affirms what all of us here are thinking, That this entire project is a grift for Jimmy to get that sweet parking revenue and events poached from downtown.I can form my own opinions of an article without needing them justified by others. I thought it was a knockout blow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3Jun 3 I see the "Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio" have endorsed the project. Pretty bottom of the barrel lengths to evidence support for the project. Most cops I've come across even those who work in urban areas are about the worst when it comes to understanding urban living. Most seem to live a very suburban even rural lifestyle, drive pickup trucks etc. Edited June 3Jun 3 by snakebite
June 3Jun 3 7 minutes ago, snakebite said:I see the "Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio" have endorsed the project. Pretty bottom of the barrel lengths to evidence support for the project. Most cops I've come across even those who work in urban areas are about the worst when it comes to understanding urban living. Most seem to live a very suburban even rural lifestyle, drive pickup trucks etc.They just want the off duty overtime, which they’ll get more of when it’s outside of Cleveland and CPPA.
June 3Jun 3 1 hour ago, snakebite said:I see the "Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio" have endorsed the project. Pretty bottom of the barrel lengths to evidence support for the project. Most cops I've come across even those who work in urban areas are about the worst when it comes to understanding urban living. Most seem to live a very suburban even rural lifestyle, drive pickup trucks etc.The “FOP of Ohio” and The Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association (CPPA), the vast majority of CDP officers (900+), are two very different distinct organizations. FOP represents most suburbs. And the CPPA has not come out in favor of this.
June 3Jun 3 Ohio State Senate announcing its plan to fund Browns’ Brook Park projecthttps://www.cleveland19.com/2025/06/03/ohio-state-senate-announcing-its-plan-fund-browns-brook-park-project/
June 3Jun 3 Ohio Senate proposes to tap into state's unclaimed funds to provide $600M for Cleveland Browns domed stadium in Brook Parkhttps://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-browns-domed-stadium-brook-park-ohio-senate-proposal-600-million-unclaimed/95-2c48d4bb-82a9-4672-bf21-13c7819962c8
June 4Jun 4 Forgive me if this has been talked before but if the county does not give any money towards the project, then it is also not responsible for any of the repairs correct?
June 5Jun 5 Browns react to new funding plan for domehttps://fox8.com/news/i-team/i-team-browns-react-to-new-funding-plan-for-dome/
June 5Jun 5 Roadway site layout for proposed $71 million in infrastructure upgrades to the network surrounding the Brook Park development:https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/06/brook-park-seeks-71-million-for-roads-and-more-near-proposed-browns-stadium.htmlIt appears as though a pedestrian bridge over I-71 to... who knows where, is proposed
June 5Jun 5 One thing worth bringing up i.e Pedestrian Bridge - if they're going to invest in one why isn't it going to Cleveland Hopkins instead of the industrial area across I-71. HUH?!I will add, with the new CLE RTA station being moved closer to 237, the walking distance from the prop train station walking down to Snow Road, under 237, and to the stadium would be about a mile. I would probably take the red line to the airport in the future and walk that mile to avoid paying for parking, but a ped bridge over 237 seems like the no-brainer move here, not over 71.
June 5Jun 5 4 minutes ago, Geowizical said:It appears as though a pedestrian bridge over I-71 to... who knows where, is proposedProposed parking, if i remember correctly.
June 5Jun 5 Just now, Enginerd said:Proposed parking, if i remember correctly.Interesting. I'm guessing proposed parking by others then? There's no parking shown on the HSG master plan on the east side of 71
June 5Jun 5 TL;DR from the paywalled article:A TRAC application for the improvements has been officially filed, application will be reviewed over this yearMax Miller, in his letter of support, noted the roadway enhancements are expected to benefit both the Browns plan but also the Blue Abyss project next to NASA GlennGrace Gallucci's letter to TRAC noted the critical importance of the improvements, but stopped short of a full endorsement of the project's intended goalNOACA would need to approve the infrastructure improvements separate from TRACChris Ronayne opposed to the funding requestMayor Orcutt is exploring other funding options for infrastructure improvements if the TRAC request is not granted
June 5Jun 5 16 minutes ago, Geowizical said:It appears as though a pedestrian bridge over I-71 to... who knows where, is proposedHopefully they are not diverting funds from the shore-to-core land bridge downtown for this. LOL
June 5Jun 5 17 minutes ago, Geowizical said:Interesting. I'm guessing proposed parking by others then? There's no parking shown on the HSG master plan on the east side of 71Per Cleveland.com:Pedestrian access: Improvements for pedestrians along the ring road and construction of a pedestrian bridge to accommodate people parking off-site and walking to the stadium. ($15.5 million)
June 5Jun 5 9 minutes ago, Geowizical said:TL;DR from the paywalled article:A TRAC application for the improvements has been officially filed, application will be reviewed over this yearMax Miller, in his letter of support, noted the roadway enhancements are expected to benefit both the Browns plan but also the Blue Abyss project next to NASA GlennGrace Gallucci's letter to TRAC noted the critical importance of the improvements, but stopped short of a full endorsement of the project's intended goalNOACA would need to approve the infrastructure improvements separate from TRACChris Ronayne opposed to the funding requestMayor Orcutt is exploring other funding options for infrastructure improvements if the TRAC request is not grantedThe claim that this impacts Blue Abyss in any meaningful way is ridiculous. I hope at the very least NOACA requires additional pedestrian considerations if they're going to approve this. A pedestrian bridge to the new airport rail station would be a minimum (it looks like it would be less than a quarter mile walk to the stadium over a bridge), but also along Engle, the Ring Rd and Snow would be nice.
June 5Jun 5 Are all those buildings shown to illustrate what the site would look like fully built out over many years? There are 6 residential buildings in that plan. That seems really aggressive. Who do they think will live there? Even if they make the development top notch, they can't change the surrounding area (airport, auto factory, strip clubs, etc.). If I were open to living in a suburban mixed-use development, I'd still think Crocker Park and Pinecrest are more desirable. I'm sure they want to charge top dollar for these units. I guess we'll see what happens...
June 5Jun 5 What we actually get may never match the rendering. It might just be a dome surrounded by a huge parking lot.
June 5Jun 5 5 minutes ago, coneflower said:Are all those buildings shown to illustrate what the site would look like fully built out over many years? There are 6 residential buildings in that plan. That seems really aggressive. Who do they think will live there? Even if they make the development top notch, they can't change the surrounding area (airport, auto factory, strip clubs, etc.). If I were open to living in a suburban mixed-use development, I'd still think Crocker Park and Pinecrest are more desirable. I'm sure they want to charge top dollar for these units. I guess we'll see what happens...I may very well end up being wrong, but I just don't see the lifestyle elements of this project ever happening. Or they'll be scaled back significantly.
June 5Jun 5 Yeah at present, the only parts of the project I forsee happening alongside the initial stadium build out are theParking lotsTeam ShopOperations buildingHotel"Events space"Ped bridge to more parkingOther than that it might be many many phases/years later before any residential and full retail buildout happens
June 5Jun 5 28 minutes ago, MostlyThere14 said:I may very well end up being wrong, but I just don't see the lifestyle elements of this project ever happening. Or they'll be scaled back significantly.Your not wrong. This opinion has been expressed regularly on the forum since the project was first announced.
June 5Jun 5 28 minutes ago, Htsguy said:Your not wrong. This opinion has been expressed regularly on the forum since the project was first announced.They will blame it on unforeseen economic headwinds.
June 5Jun 5 Remember all the development that was supposed to happen around the Richfield Coliseum? How did that turn out?
June 5Jun 5 It seems like the only thing the Haslams are successful at is pitting Clevelanders against each other.
June 5Jun 5 Sin tax showdown: Browns win a skirmish in the battle over maintaining sports facilitieshttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sin-tax-showdown-browns-win-a-skirmish-in-the-battle-over-maintaining-sports-facilities/ar-AA1G6g8F?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1e49883ec31d4b9da5d0afcbbbbe4846&ei=21
June 6Jun 6 12 hours ago, simplythis said:Sin tax showdown: Browns win a skirmish in the battle over maintaining sports facilitieshttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sin-tax-showdown-browns-win-a-skirmish-in-the-battle-over-maintaining-sports-facilities/ar-AA1G6g8F?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1e49883ec31d4b9da5d0afcbbbbe4846&ei=21Can someone explain to me why the STATE senate has any say over COUNTY taxes?!? Columbus controlling way too much of Cleveland's decisions. This one i just don't understand, any tax experts out there?
Tuesday at 02:26 PM3 days 😑Signal ClevelandCleveland to pay Browns $2.6 million for stadium repairs...The City of Cleveland owes the Browns more than $2.6 million for repairs at Huntington Bank Field — the one on the lakefront.
Tuesday at 02:34 PM3 days On 6/6/2025 at 2:44 PM, pglowack said:Can someone explain to me why the STATE senate has any say over COUNTY taxes?!? Columbus controlling way too much of Cleveland's decisions. This one i just don't understand, any tax experts out there?The State has been eroding home-rule for years now, next logical step is dictating local taxes.
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