On 6/5/2025 at 11:03 AM, Geowizical said:

Yeah at present, the only parts of the project I forsee happening alongside the initial stadium build out are the

• Parking lots

• Team Shop

• Operations building

• Hotel

• "Events space"

• Ped bridge to more parking

Other than that it might be many many phases/years later before any residential and full retail buildout happens

Something I have been wondering about and have not seen mentioned yet as it relates to this project, is why would this not be a great option for Dan Gilbert to partner on this and move and build out his casino as part of this project? Would turn the project into a year round attraction which would help with the hotels, retail and dining aspects of the project. Having the casino as part of the stadium development in Brookpark seems like a no brainer to me. Curious to hear thoughts on this.......

^ I believe the casino has to remain at or close to its current location.

38 minutes ago, aJk said:

Something I have been wondering about and have not seen mentioned yet as it relates to this project, is why would this not be a great option for Dan Gilbert to partner on this and move and build out his casino as part of this project? Would turn the project into a year round attraction which would help with the hotels, retail and dining aspects of the project. Having the casino as part of the stadium development in Brookpark seems like a no brainer to me. Curious to hear thoughts on this.......

I feel his hands are full from Detroit and the Riverfront. I would like for him to focus on making that the best thing possible. Now if Blitzer(?) wants to dip his hand in, that would be very welcomed.

1 hour ago, aJk said:

Something I have been wondering about and have not seen mentioned yet as it relates to this project, is why would this not be a great option for Dan Gilbert to partner on this and move and build out his casino as part of this project? Would turn the project into a year round attraction which would help with the hotels, retail and dining aspects of the project. Having the casino as part of the stadium development in Brookpark seems like a no brainer to me. Curious to hear thoughts on this.......

He can’t. The current casino locations are bound to a state constitutional amendment. The only location in the state where one could currently be built is behind Tower City. But it would have to be either considered as an expansion of the current, or relocation of the current one.

didn't he sell his stake in the casino?

2 hours ago, aJk said:

Something I have been wondering about and have not seen mentioned yet as it relates to this project, is why would this not be a great option for Dan Gilbert to partner on this and move and build out his casino as part of this project? Would turn the project into a year round attraction which would help with the hotels, retail and dining aspects of the project. Having the casino as part of the stadium development in Brookpark seems like a no brainer to me. Curious to hear thoughts on this.......

Please, we don't need even more businesses that are downtown removed to the suburbs. Moving the casino from downtown will make the place even more of a ghost town by 7pm

1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Please, we don't need even more businesses that are downtown removed to the suburbs. Moving the casino from downtown will make the place even more of a ghost town by 7pm

It’s not movable.

Ohio Senate passes budget, giving Browns $600M grant, tax cut to wealthy, changes school funding

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/ohio-senate-passes-budget-giving-browns-600m-grant-tax-cut-to-wealthy-changes-school-funding

As expected. The influential get more, everyone else...less and less so.

This funding should outrage any citizen of Ohio. How is it okay to allocate $600 million to HSG and yet less money is allotted towards education. HSG never considered that Cleveland couldn't afford a multi billion dollar new build nor truly wanted a new stadium. This was forced upon us and sold as a necessary need for the region. This reiterates that politicians do not care about the welfare of the majority and now just cater to the wealthy.

I cant wait for all to realize how much parking and tickets will cost to attend a Cleveland Browns' game in Brook Park.

So who is going to maintain the stadium and its surroundings? Not sure if I missed that in all the back and fourth or what.

59 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

So who is going to maintain the stadium and its surroundings? Not sure if I missed that in all the back and fourth or what.

The City has always maintained it. They own it.

1 hour ago, yanni_gogolak said:

The City has always maintained it. They own it.

I meant the new stadium. Not the one the city owns.

If anyone is interested, this PDF of the City of Brook Park's 2025 ODOT TRAC application for $70 million of public infrastructure improvements is a trove of information:

https://dam.assets.ohio.gov/image/upload/transportation.ohio.gov/trac/2025apps/D12_02_CUYSR2912.90BrookPark.pdf

It is mostly letters of support, but in the interest of transparency here's the list for those who are interested:

TL;DR (with page # references)

• 16 - Project summary and list of benefits

• 17 - Full diagram schematic plan of the proposed roadway improvements

• 26 - HSG will provide $11.3 million in up-front funding for roadway improvements

• 27 - Blue Abyss letter of support

• 29 - Affiliated Construction Trades Ohio Foundation (ACT Ohio) letter of support

• 33 - ODOT received the TRAC application on May 22, 2025

• 37 - Ford Motor Company letter of support

• 38 - GCP letter of support

• 42 - HSG letter of support

• 46 - City of Berea letter of support

• 48 - City of Brook Park letter of support

• 50 - NAIOP letter of support

• 52 - NFL letter of support

• 54 - NOACA letter of acknowledgement

• 55 - Ohio Chamber of Commerce letter of support

• 57-68 - State/US representatives and senators letters of support

• 69 - Estimated construction costs breakdown

40 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

If anyone is interested, this PDF of the City of Brook Park's 2025 ODOT TRAC application for $70 million of public infrastructure improvements is a trove of information:

https://dam.assets.ohio.gov/image/upload/transportation.ohio.gov/trac/2025apps/D12_02_CUYSR2912.90BrookPark.pdf

It is mostly letters of support, but in the interest of transparency here's the list for those who are interested:

TL;DR (with page # references)

• 16 - Project summary and list of benefits

• 17 - Full diagram schematic plan of the proposed roadway improvements

• 26 - HSG will provide $11.3 million in up-front funding for roadway improvements

• 27 - Blue Abyss letter of support

• 29 - Affiliated Construction Trades Ohio Foundation (ACT Ohio) letter of support

• 33 - ODOT received the TRAC application on May 22, 2025

• 37 - Ford Motor Company letter of support

• 38 - GCP letter of support

• 42 - HSG letter of support

• 46 - City of Berea letter of support

• 48 - City of Brook Park letter of support

• 50 - NAIOP letter of support

• 52 - NFL letter of support

• 54 - NOACA letter of acknowledgement

• 55 - Ohio Chamber of Commerce letter of support

• 57-68 - State/US representatives and senators letters of support

• 69 - Estimated construction costs breakdown

Both NOACA and ODOT acknowledged rather than supported. I’m not sure if that’s normal or not but it stuck out to me.

7 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

Both NOACA and ODOT acknowledged rather than supported. I’m not sure if that’s normal or not but it stuck out to me.

NOACA has to prioritize TRAC applications from their area, and ranked GCRTA’s blue/green line request 1st, while not ranking Brook Park’s at all since it hasn’t been studied. It’s hard to be sure of the tone just from a PowerPoint, but NOACA does seem dismissive of this application.

https://www.noaca.org/home/showpublisheddocument/33126

I read it as NOACA is simply not taking a side in the stadium debacle. They state in their letter they support improvements to road infrastructure in the region. What they do or do not support either way (in the interest of neutrality I reckon), is the end goal for making those improvements. Regardless of how you look at it, it's a sizeable proposed development project, and NOACA is one of the regional entities that is tasked with supporting these kinds of things I believe, alongside the local ODOT district office (12).

It looks like all the proposed infrastructure upgrades will only substantively help people get to the new stadium. Not much here to help people leave. Unsurprisingly, this will be a huge backup to get out of here. I wonder if more people will leave games early than do for the downtown stadium?

12 minutes ago, Ethan said:

I wonder if more people will leave games early than do for the downtown stadium?

If the team continues to get worse, I wouldn't be surprised lmao 😜

In the "more humble" sports owners vein, I am currently on the Aer Lingus flight back from Dublin to Cleveland and there's our Guardians owner back in a normal window economy seat with the rest of us. Say what you will about the team, or their own ask/upgrades, but Haslam isn't flying coach for 7 1/2 hours...