13 minutes ago, KJP said:

@freethink From what I've heard, FES is not in great shape. It was built very quickly and is not aging well.

just out of curiousity, do you have more specifics here.

1 hour ago, 646empire said:

True but New York is… New York. Also I haven’t seen any chatter whatsoever of sending it back to NYC.

 

 

no doubt -- it was freakin cold!

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

We probably need to add 1500 more hotel rooms to the market before any of these events are even a consideration.   

Negative. Indianapolis has comparable hotel rooms and frequently hosts all of those except the Superbowl. 

7 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Negative. Indianapolis has comparable hotel rooms and frequently hosts all of those except the Superbowl. 

 

The NCAA is also headquartered in Indy, so they probably have less of a hotel need than these events hosted in other cities.  After all, all the NCAA staff are home.  

 

When the NBA Allstar game was here in Cleveland (just an "arena" event), there were tech people staying as far out as Canton.  I talked to one guy in town to work and event that was staying at a little Hampton Inn or something at a freeway exit in Geneva because it's all they could find.  

17 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Negative. Indianapolis has comparable hotel rooms and frequently hosts all of those except the Superbowl. 

Just a general question, does anyone have the current hotel room counts on a city comparison basis?  Indy, Cincy, Cbus, Cle etc....?  Given how much of a convention town Indy is I feel like they may have most of the Ohio cities beat, not likely by too much and Columbus has added so much over the last decade and already under construction, but I'm just curious.

49 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Negative. Indianapolis has comparable hotel rooms and frequently hosts all of those except the Superbowl. 

Indy is a huge convention city and there are a ton of hotels downtown, much more than you see in Columbus, Cincy and Cleveland for a city of its size. 

They seem to have a ton of rooms downtown for all the conventions they have in town on any given moment.

 

I think a better comparison would be Minneapolis hotel rooms.

 

 

Arghhh, I completely forgot about the one in Jersey. I blame some bad octopus I ate several days ago.

26 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Indy is a huge convention city and there are a ton of hotels downtown, much more than you see in Columbus, Cincy and Cleveland for a city of its size. 

They seem to have a ton of rooms downtown for all the conventions they have in town on any given moment.

 

I think a better comparison would be Minneapolis hotel rooms.

 

 

Just some general google searches I found the following:

 

By 2022, downtown Columbus will have more than 5,000 hotel rooms, 2,700 of which will be connected or adjacent to the Greater Columbus Convention Center. In total, there are approximated 29,000 hotel rooms citywide.  - Experience Columbus 2022

 

There are roughly 33,000 hotel rooms in the Indianapolis metro area. (couldn't nail down a downtown specific) -Indy Star 2019

 

In Cincinnati USA your hotel is only a short stroll away – that's because there are nearly 3,200 hotel rooms in just three blocks right next to the Duke Energy Convention Center. Eleven downtown hotels. (Could not get a metro count) -CincyUSA.com

 

For Cleveland every search just hampered on rebounding occupancy, nowhere could I find an actual room count.

Assuming this is current,

 

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/08/nfl/1644284110_443528.html#:~:text=- The host stadium must be,be approved by the league.

 

How are Super Bowl cities selected?

 

"There must be a minimum number of hotel spaces within one hour's drive of the stadium equaling 35% of the stadium's capacity". So that means there have to be at least 24,500 hotel rooms within an hour since the potentially new stadium's minimum would be 70,000 seaters. 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Assuming this is current,

 

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/08/nfl/1644284110_443528.html#:~:text=- The host stadium must be,be approved by the league.

 

How are Super Bowl cities selected?

 

"There must be a minimum number of hotel spaces within one hour's drive of the stadium equaling 35% of the stadium's capacity". So that means there have to be at least 24,500 hotel rooms within an hour since the potentially new stadium's minimum would be 70,000 seaters. 

 

 

 

Do the hotel rooms have to meet a certain standard?

Obviously, not all have to be a JW Marriott or Ritz level but not all rooms are created equal. Does Motel 6 count in that model? I assume that drilling down deeper the league will only consider a certain level of hotel but I obviously do not have any insight on that. 

41 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Do the hotel rooms have to meet a certain standard?

Obviously, not all have to be a JW Marriott or Ritz level but not all rooms are created equal. Does Motel 6 count in that model? I assume that drilling down deeper the league will only consider a certain level of hotel but I obviously do not have any insight on that. 

I would assume the NFL would accept a mix of different classes of hotels.  After all not all hotel rooms are for those arriving at BKL on private jets.  They do have to house the "help."  

 

Interesting note on the JAX Superbowl using cruise ships for additional lodging.   I suppose Cleveland would have to rent them out for the winter to get them jammed in the ice here to host attendees.  Then there is the problem of there really isn't all that many Great Lakes sized cruise ships even out there... 

 

 

1 hour ago, Gnoraa said:

Just some general google searches I found the following:

 

By 2022, downtown Columbus will have more than 5,000 hotel rooms, 2,700 of which will be connected or adjacent to the Greater Columbus Convention Center. In total, there are approximated 29,000 hotel rooms citywide.  - Experience Columbus 2022

 

There are roughly 33,000 hotel rooms in the Indianapolis metro area. (couldn't nail down a downtown specific) -Indy Star 2019

 

In Cincinnati USA your hotel is only a short stroll away – that's because there are nearly 3,200 hotel rooms in just three blocks right next to the Duke Energy Convention Center. Eleven downtown hotels. (Could not get a metro count) -CincyUSA.com

 

For Cleveland every search just hampered on rebounding occupancy, nowhere could I find an actual room count.

I know from DCA Cleveland is pushing 5500 rooms in downtown alone. 

3 hours ago, TBideon said:

Assuming this is current,

 

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/08/nfl/1644284110_443528.html#:~:text=- The host stadium must be,be approved by the league.

 

How are Super Bowl cities selected?

 

"There must be a minimum number of hotel spaces within one hour's drive of the stadium equaling 35% of the stadium's capacity". So that means there have to be at least 24,500 hotel rooms within an hour since the potentially new stadium's minimum would be 70,000 seaters. 

 

 

 

 

 

i wonder what the hotel room count demand is by the ncaa for hosting the various levels of march madness?

 

 

4 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Indy is a huge convention city and there are a ton of hotels downtown, much more than you see in Columbus, Cincy and Cleveland for a city of its size. 

They seem to have a ton of rooms downtown for all the conventions they have in town on any given moment.

 

I think a better comparison would be Minneapolis hotel rooms.

 

 

 

 

i dk the whole story, but my impression of indianapolis is that it really was a well thought out concerted effort over years to go after this kind of buisness. i think other cities have taken close notice and are doing what they can, as cle is too. anyway, indy is a good maybe longer range squad goals model. it would kick into high gear with a domed stadium of course, but the costs of that these days puts it out of reach, even more than it ever did in the past. 

 

fresh chat about a new bills stadium dome:

 

 

I think the host was bested by the logic of his guest, DJ Jefferson - the idea that the Bills players would prefer to play outside in terrible December conditions is laughable. 

9 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

i dk the whole story, but my impression of indianapolis is that it really was a well thought out concerted effort over years to go after this kind of buisness. i think other cities have taken close notice and are doing what they can, as cle is too. anyway, indy is a good maybe longer range squad goals model. it would kick into high gear with a domed stadium of course, but the costs of that these days puts it out of reach, even more than it ever did in the past. 

It is simply not true that a domed stadium would significantly impact convention business in Cleveland. There aren't that many convention events that benefit from a domed stadium. 
 

Furthermore, there aren’t enough potential events PERIOD to justify a dome in Cleveland. We’d probably get one super bowl, one final four, and then a handful of smaller events each year. And while those first couple events would be cool, they would in no way generate enough economic activity to justify the project. It boggles my mind that people will convince themselves that this would somehow be a good use of public money. We can’t be throwing away tax payer money chasing stuff like that. 
 

There actually are good ways to spend public money on good projects that are worthwhile. This is not one of them. 

Agreed. Over the years l've read the stadium was built quickly and on the cheap. The idea being to get a team back and playing as soon as possible. That decision leads me to think the people behind that approach thought "Let's get going now and not worry about what happens down the road." Typical short sided thinking. 

 

So if the current stadium wasn't built to last and there's no room on the lakefront to build a new one while the team continues to play l think a new stadium will be built in the area around East 20th and St. Clair as opposed to the site south of the baseball field. 

 

If that happens we would then finally be able to really open up the lakefront for development. That's likely to happen and if we're really lucky maybe RTA extends the waterfront line south to connect the new stadium then CSU and finally creating a downtown loop. I'm probably dreaming here but you never know. 

Here's a look at Lucas Oil costs and revenues. While the headline sounds positive, my shallow dive into this gives an initial impression this investment is a financial loser.  

 

https://www.ibj.com/articles/36743-lucas-oil-stadium-meeting-revenue-expectations

The belief that FES was built quickly and on the cheap is a misconception. Compared with open-air stadiums built around the same time or within 5 years after does not show that. All of them had around a 28 month construction period and the budget considering inflation for the ones built after FES were not that far apart.  FES at around 280m broke ground in 1997 while Heinz field broke ground in 1999 for the same amount of money and both had the same 26-28 month construction time. Also  both PBS and Lincoln Financial were built in the same time frame as FES. Was the design of FES rushed, maybe but that doesn't mean the quality was any less as they were all basically built with the same materials.

1 hour ago, surfohio said:

Here's a look at Lucas Oil costs and revenues. While the headline sounds positive, my shallow dive into this gives an initial impression this investment is a financial loser.  

 

https://www.ibj.com/articles/36743-lucas-oil-stadium-meeting-revenue-expectations

Nothing shocking there. Just about every public/private project is a financial loser for the public. FES will lose money,  Gateway will lose money, the convention center will lose money, public transit will lose money. But you have to make a decision, do I want to remain a big city or not. Do I want  to provide the amenities that enhance the community and serve the public on a whole or do I watch other cities pass me by. The answer is simple to me. 

Cleveland didn't seem that different from '96-'98 before the expansion team began their glorious 22 year run. The city will survive if leadership decides not to be blackmailed by Jimmy and Dee. 

10 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

It is simply not true that a domed stadium would significantly impact convention business in Cleveland. There aren't that many convention events that benefit from a domed stadium. 
 

Furthermore, there aren’t enough potential events PERIOD to justify a dome in Cleveland. We’d probably get one super bowl, one final four, and then a handful of smaller events each year. And while those first couple events would be cool, they would in no way generate enough economic activity to justify the project. It boggles my mind that people will convince themselves that this would somehow be a good use of public money. We can’t be throwing away tax payer money chasing stuff like that. 
 

There actually are good ways to spend public money on good projects that are worthwhile. This is not one of them. 

I would agree that it may not make as much sense in Cleveland with the existence of the I-X Center as it would say in Cincinnati or another city, but It does make sense. 

Currently, they use the stadium in its full capacity (field, stands, snack bars, etc) for approx 13-15 events a year (10 Browns Games, maybe 2-3 concerts, 2-3 additional events). If you can triple the amount of events that is a win. Even without considering the Super Bowl or Final 4 as events, look at the prospect of additional convention space. You can now book multiple events in the downtown core which would not have been possible before. This helps the entire convention business in town, even if it may not be highest and best use for the stadium, it provides additional booking options. 

 

If you can use the building 30-50 days out of the year, it is a success. 

33 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I would agree that it may not make as much sense in Cleveland with the existence of the I-X Center as it would say in Cincinnati or another city, but It does make sense. 

Currently, they use the stadium in its full capacity (field, stands, snack bars, etc) for approx 13-15 events a year (10 Browns Games, maybe 2-3 concerts, 2-3 additional events). If you can triple the amount of events that is a win. Even without considering the Super Bowl or Final 4 as events, look at the prospect of additional convention space. You can now book multiple events in the downtown core which would not have been possible before. This helps the entire convention business in town, even if it may not be highest and best use for the stadium, it provides additional booking options. 

 

If you can use the building 30-50 days out of the year, it is a success. 

Stadiums do not make good convention spaces.   Take a look at the Lucas Oil schedule, which is also attached to a convention center.  

wassup with the new minneapolis dome on this front? are they roping in gigs any better? 

11 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

It is simply not true that a domed stadium would significantly impact convention business in Cleveland. There aren't that many convention events that benefit from a domed stadium. 
 

Furthermore, there aren’t enough potential events PERIOD to justify a dome in Cleveland. We’d probably get one super bowl, one final four, and then a handful of smaller events each year. And while those first couple events would be cool, they would in no way generate enough economic activity to justify the project. It boggles my mind that people will convince themselves that this would somehow be a good use of public money. We can’t be throwing away tax payer money chasing stuff like that. 
 

There actually are good ways to spend public money on good projects that are worthwhile. This is not one of them. 

 

of course but remember no public funds for any new sports facilities cover costs either.

 

there was some recent talk of a new stadium, as there was with cle dome in the past. thankfully lately it seems haslam and the city want to build a neighborhood around the current stadium, but a new stadium will come up again at some point. a dome will be part of that discussion.

An interesting new article just came out in regards to Cincinnati’s stadiums. Will be curious to see what the Browns intentions/ preference will be.

 

"This is just my opinion that you will not see either team have an expectation or be seeking new stadiums somewhere else, like a move to the burbs," Castellini said during the pro sports panel at the Business Courier's Future of Sports event Thursday morning at the Hard Rock Casino.

"Both teams are going to be renovating their stadiums on site, in my opinion," Castellini said

"That's very much our expectation. It's continuing to get the value out of the investment that's already been made."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/04/07/reds-castellini-reds-bengals-likely-to-keep-re.html

Edited April 7, 20223 yr by 646empire

One more interesting but funny article from the Steelers fan base that mentions Ohio’s 2 NFL Stadiums and how Heinz Field is being called a dump and needs replaced.

“A dump? Are you kidding me? A freaking dump? I believe it was Ron Cook who suggested Heinz was a dump because it wasn’t up to par with the likes of FirstEnergy Stadium, M&T Bank Stadium and Paul Brown Stadium and was lagging way behind the newer palaces such as SoFi Stadium and AT&T Stadium (better known as the Jerry World).”

 

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/2022/3/1/22954710/is-heinz-field-already-a-dump-after-21-seasons-as-the-steelers-home-stadium-steelers-pitt-nfl-news

 

 

 

There are 3 current NFL domed stadiums (plus St Louis) in the north. 7 of the other 10 domed/roofed stadiums are in warm weather locations. In the combined ~37 years since those 3 northern NFL domed stadiums opened (~63 years including St Louis) - they have hosted 3 Superbowls. In a combined 62 years the Silverdome and Metrodome hosted 1 Superbowl each. 

 

Those 4 northern NFL domed stadiums hosted a combined 6 Finals Fours. Lucas Oil, which hosted 3 of those 6 (with another in 2026), will always have a major leg up on any other market or venue with the NCAA headquarters being a couple blocks down the road. The Metrodome hosted 2 Final Fours while the Silverdome only hosted the regionals twice. 

 

Here is a list of the "Upcoming Events" at the 4 northern covered NFL stadiums in the US, and FES:

(I know that this isn't the best comparison because this is looking towards the Spring/Summer and not the colder months - but still) 

 

 

In terms of large events, a domed football stadium in Cleveland could then potentially net the city 1 Superbowl and 1 Final Four (or some games in the regionals - something the Q had already done) during its lifetime. It would host the same number of regular season NFL games as any other stadium. The attendance at those games may also be lower than today tough as all 4 northern NFL covered stadiums have smaller capacities than FES. The 4 other domed stadiums do not have a notably higher number of "Upcoming Events" for the warm half of the year. Most stadium tours in the US are held during the spring/summer meaning that FES likely hasn't missed out on that many concerts either. For comparison, in the 19 years since Ford Field opened it has hosted 11 concerts between the months of October and April. FES isn't going to miss out on any US men's or women's national teams games because it doesn't have a roof. What other events is Cleveland missing out on with it's open air stadium? Wrestlemania?

 

If the goal is to spur more economic activity in the region and downtown via publicly funded projects in the conventions/events/tourism business, we should look elsewhere. The extra hundreds of millions spent on a dome could go towards expanding/upgrading the Convention Center downtown. It's expansion could be rolled into the land bridge with a direct connection to a new lakefront transit center. A prime piece of land for a convention center expansion could be on the Justice Center block just across Ontario once/if it is vacated.

 

We shouldn't pursue a dome to make the bitter pill of public money for a new football stadiums go down easier. In the most ideal conditions, a domed stadiums will still have tremendously low usage rates. It'll never be a good value proposition for the public, lets not make it worse. Build it with as little public money as you can. Divert resources to investments with a better ROI.

 

 

15 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

There are 3 current NFL domed stadiums (plus St Louis) in the north. 7 of the other 10 domed/roofed stadiums are in warm weather locations. In the combined ~37 years since those 3 northern NFL domed stadiums opened (~63 years including St Louis) - they have hosted 3 Superbowls. In a combined 62 years the Silverdome and Metrodome hosted 1 Superbowl each. 

 

Those 4 northern NFL domed stadiums hosted a combined 6 Finals Fours. Lucas Oil, which hosted 3 of those 6 (with another in 2026), will always have a major leg up on any other market or venue with the NCAA headquarters being a couple blocks down the road. The Metrodome hosted 2 Final Fours while the Silverdome only hosted the regionals twice. 

 

Here is a list of the "Upcoming Events" at the 4 northern covered NFL stadiums in the US, and FES:

(I know that this isn't the best comparison because this is looking towards the Spring/Summer and not the colder months - but still) 

 

 

In terms of large events, a domed football stadium in Cleveland could then potentially net the city 1 Superbowl and 1 Final Four (or some games in the regionals - something the Q had already done) during its lifetime. It would host the same number of regular season NFL games as any other stadium. The attendance at those games may also be lower than today tough as all 4 northern NFL covered stadiums have smaller capacities than FES. The 4 other domed stadiums do not have a notably higher number of "Upcoming Events" for the warm half of the year. Most stadium tours in the US are held during the spring/summer meaning that FES likely hasn't missed out on that many concerts either. For comparison, in the 19 years since Ford Field opened it has hosted 11 concerts between the months of October and April. FES isn't going to miss out on any US men's or women's national teams games because it doesn't have a roof. What other events is Cleveland missing out on with it's open air stadium? Wrestlemania?

 

If the goal is to spur more economic activity in the region and downtown via publicly funded projects in the conventions/events/tourism business, we should look elsewhere. The extra hundreds of millions spent on a dome could go towards expanding/upgrading the Convention Center downtown. It's expansion could be rolled into the land bridge with a direct connection to a new lakefront transit center. A prime piece of land for a convention center expansion could be on the Justice Center block just across Ontario once/if it is vacated.

 

We shouldn't pursue a dome to make the bitter pill of public money for a new football stadiums go down easier. In the most ideal conditions, a domed stadiums will still have tremendously low usage rates. It'll never be a good value proposition for the public, lets not make it worse. Build it with as little public money as you can. Divert resources to investments with a better ROI.

It is very alarming that these facilities see such a short life.  The Georgia Dome lasted only 25 years (1992 to 2017) It cost $214 million to build (about $400 million in current money) and had a $300 million renovation in 2007 only to be torn down in 2017.  Its replacement, Mercedes-Benz Stadium cost $1.6 billion to build.  The Super Bowl "gets awarded" to cold weather cities about maybe once every 5 years.  The reasoning that a domed stadium will bring a Super Bowl here discounts the competition from other northern domed facilities.  Quite honestly, the NFL prefers to hold that February event where it does most of the time to support all of the other associated activities where the weather is warmer and better.  If other northern cities eventually get domed stadiums, the competition will get worse.

 

A domed stadium will never have a return on investment to justify its cost.   

Permit applications were submitted today by the Browns to repair/replace sections of ramps as needed. No details yet as to where or how much is to be done.

 

This is just speculation not based on much, but hosting this event could serve as a dry run for a Blue Jackets winter classic at FES. It would be a pretty good venue for the Jacket's first outdoor appearance. 

 

Speculation on CBJ's first winter classic over the years has favored a game at The Shoe vs Detroit. This matchup would make a lot of sense, but OSU has a history of not caring much about the major league teams in their market. OSU could've hosted outdoor hockey by now if they were interested. NC State is hosting the hurricanes next year, leaving Columbus as one of only four other teams to have never played outside. Those three other teams are Miami, the two year old Kraken and the essentially homeless Coyotes. With no other (non-OSU) sizeable outdoor venue in Central Ohio, Cleveland would easily be the next best option. 

 

There have been multiple out of market or neutral site outdoor games (Regina, Tahoe, Hamilton, Notre Dame) so it wouldn't be unprecedented. Cleveland is well positioned for a Jacket's matchup with the Red Wings or Sabres, drawing from both markets and the many hockey fans in Northeast Ohio. The Blue Jacket's would get a bit of a boost in the Cleveland market and FES would host an event in the offseason.

 

 

2 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

 

 

If anyone would like to take the survey, here's the link: 

https://elevatesports.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_1N6BQAp857x2vGu?GH8XVF=A8A5R5U3G

Remember that Soldier Field was renovated in 2003 for $660 million ($1 billion+ in today's dollars). That's twice the cost of FirstEnergy Stadium and four years "newer." In one respect, it's the oldest facility in the NFL. But you could also argue that it's a more modern facility than FirstEnergy Stadium. And it's going to be replaced as part of a larger development....

 

 

I say the Bears and Browns can stay in their respective cities playing in new, city and county subsidized, "modernized and competitive" stadiums that only the higher income suburbanites can afford generally -- as long as the cities/counties receive some kind of ownership. And a cut of the merchandise and tv rights. Modify the Green Bay Packers plan to be more investor friendly.

 

Do that, and Dee, Jimmy, the sexual predator, and all their enablers and apologists can enjoy a free multi-billion dollar stadium paid for by those who generally can't even afford to see games. I accept that investment.

 

If not, f-uck off and move to Arlington Heights and London.

 

 

Edited September 2, 20222 yr by TBideon

48 minutes ago, TBideon said:

I say the Bears and Browns can stay in their respective cities playing in new, city and county subsidized, "modernized and competitive" stadiums that only the higher income suburbanites can afford generally -- as long as the cities/counties receive some kind of ownership. And a cut of the merchandise and tv rights. Modify the Green Bay Packers plan to be more investor friendly.

 

Do that, and Dee, Jimmy, the sexual predator, and all their enablers and apologists can enjoy a free multi-billion dollar stadium paid for by those who generally can't even afford to see games. I accept that investment.

 

If not, f-uck off and move to Arlington Heights and London.

 

 

 

Merchandising and TV are considered national revenue which is pulled across the league.

 

The last I heard the Packers' plan is grandfathered but no longer permitted for other teams.

 

This is great get for the Monsters. Also FES now gets two gets two good sized offseason events. Haslam's are getting the most out of their temporary rink investment. 

 

On 8/22/2022 at 4:34 PM, NorthShore647 said:

This is just speculation not based on much, but hosting this event could serve as a dry run for a Blue Jackets winter classic at FES. It would be a pretty good venue for the Jacket's first outdoor appearance. 

 

Not saying that I called it or anything but.../s  I'll definitely take the Monsters if the Jackets/NHL remain uninterested in an Ohio outdoor classic. I would've preferred the Griffins or Amerks, but the other Penguins is a good matchup. 

 

This is only the 11th AHL outdoor classic, and the ~27th outdoor professional hockey game in North America. FES will be the largest venue to host an AHL outdoor classic and only the 4th NFL stadium to host a professional hockey game. 

 

"the canopy that surrounds the stadium will cover 65% of all seats in the stadium and will help mitigate wind for fans"

 

Raise your hand if you believe that crap.

That stadium in Glendale AZ looks nice.  The next stadium in Cleveland should look like that.

50 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

That stadium in Glendale AZ looks nice.  The next stadium in Cleveland should look like that.

Minus the sea of parking lots...and Im not sure we'd have the space on the lakefront for the field to roll outside the building....

5th Highest attended College Hockey game of all time. 22nd Highest attended hockey game in the US. 32nd Highest attended hockey game ever. 

 

 

Multiple holes in the ice formed around the boards in the 2nd and 3rd, adding a decent amount of time to the game unfortunately. The 2nd intermission started with ~5 minutes left in the 2nd period so there would be more time for the hole to freeze over (never seen that at this level before). It was a nice day, just a little to warm and sunny for the ice. You can't do much about the weather, but a lot of the stadium ran out of beer and food by the 2nd which seemed preventable. FES's small lower bowl and height suited this type of event pretty well with the 300 and 500 decks having surprisingly good views of the rink. Despite a few hiccups, this was still a great event.

The Monsters are playing there on March 4th.  It's nice to see other events at FES besides Browns football.

20 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

5th Highest attended College Hockey game of all time. 22nd Highest attended hockey game in the US. 32nd Highest attended hockey game ever. 

 

You can't do much about the weather, but a lot of the stadium ran out of beer and food by the 2nd which seemed preventable. 

I forget the concessionaire there at FES (Aramark I think?)....but someone should get fired.    

@KJP safe to assume a bomb is dropping here?

 

 

Yup feeling like no stadium

So... the bombshell is good news then.

A lot of chatter on Reddit / Twitter (including from @KJP) about a bombshell dropping about First Energy Stadium and the browns.  Not sure what it is yet but if people have some insight that'd be cool.