July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost.
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. Nobody here is missing the point. It wasn't answered when I up thread, (SuperBowl isn't an acceptable answer) but what revenue are we potentially missing?
July 17, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image I travel nationally and internationally and Lebron is #1 on my list, ahead of the weather.
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. 6-7 months of WHAT revenue? Here's some facts: 1. The convention business is dying and few conventions use stadium space. 2. In the Northern Hemisphere, the few remaining musical acts who can sell stadiums tour these venues in the SUMMER, because many stadiums DO NOT have roofs.
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. 6-7 months of WHAT revenue? Here's some facts: 1. The convention business is dying and few conventions use stadium space. 2. In the Northern Hemisphere, the few remaining musical acts who can sell stadiums tour these venues in the SUMMER, because many stadiums DO NOT have roofs. Take a look at the website calendar of events for Ford Field in Detroit or Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. Those are the kinds of events and the volume of events we might attract here. Question is, how many events and what size/revenue that are in addition to football plus a concert or two are needed to justify a roof? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. 6-7 months of WHAT revenue? Here's some facts: 1. The convention business is dying and few conventions use stadium space. 2. In the Northern Hemisphere, the few remaining musical acts who can sell stadiums tour these venues in the SUMMER, because many stadiums DO NOT have roofs. Take a look at the website calendar of events for Ford Field in Detroit or Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. Those are the kinds of events and the volume of events we might attract here. Question is, how many events and what size/revenue that are in addition to football plus a concert or two are needed to justify a roof? Exactly--if you look at their calendars, they are small functions, and many do not necessarily even use the seating bowl and field space. The Browns Stadium already does a considerable rentals business in their restaurant spaces on off nights. So the net gain would be negligible. Combine this with the fact that the stadium is not directly attached to the convention center, and there are two competitive venues right next door (GLSC and RRHOF), and suddenly the additional cost of construction and upkeep are not worth the investment.
July 17, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image It doesn't!
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. 6-7 months of WHAT revenue? Here's some facts: 1. The convention business is dying and few conventions use stadium space. 2. In the Northern Hemisphere, the few remaining musical acts who can sell stadiums tour these venues in the SUMMER, because many stadiums DO NOT have roofs. Take a look at the website calendar of events for Ford Field in Detroit or Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. Those are the kinds of events and the volume of events we might attract here. Question is, how many events and what size/revenue that are in addition to football plus a concert or two are needed to justify a roof? KJP what events exactly do those venue have that cannot currently get? Ford field has four events scheduled that that cant be held anywhere else in downtown Detroit, but we have Gund Arena, Music Hall and the CSU convocation center. (professional hat on) Large summer stadium concerts are few and far between due to the unseen cost. Security, production, stadium/turf replacement. (professional hat off) so those types of concerts will be few and far between. IE Tina Turner, Stones etc, because they can command a price point built into the tix, to pay for security and infrastructure changes.
July 17, 201311 yr We're missing the point of adding the roof here. It's not for the possibility of closing it for 3-5 games (days) a year, it's for scheduling other events, concerts, etc... Right now they can't do that from about the beginning of Oct. - end of April. That's 6-7 months of possible revenue lost. 6-7 months of WHAT revenue? Here's some facts: 1. The convention business is dying and few conventions use stadium space. 2. In the Northern Hemisphere, the few remaining musical acts who can sell stadiums tour these venues in the SUMMER, because many stadiums DO NOT have roofs. Take a look at the website calendar of events for Ford Field in Detroit or Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. Those are the kinds of events and the volume of events we might attract here. Question is, how many events and what size/revenue that are in addition to football plus a concert or two are needed to justify a roof? Exactly--if you look at their calendars, they are small functions, and many do not necessarily even use the seating bowl and field space. The Browns Stadium already does a considerable rentals business in their restaurant spaces on off nights. So the net gain would be negligible. Combine this with the fact that the stadium is not directly attached to the convention center, and there are two competitive venues right next door (GLSC and RRHOF), and suddenly the additional cost of construction and upkeep are not worth the investment. Agreed. This isn't like LA Live or the GA Dome and GA World Congress in Atlanta.
July 17, 201311 yr Exactly--if you look at their calendars, they are small functions, and many do not necessarily even use the seating bowl and field space. The Browns Stadium already does a considerable rentals business in their restaurant spaces on off nights. So the net gain would be negligible. Combine this with the fact that the stadium is not directly attached to the convention center, and there are two competitive venues right next door (GLSC and RRHOF), and suddenly the additional cost of construction and upkeep are not worth the investment. BTW, I wasn't forming any conclusions based on their event calendars. I can see the argument either way. But that's the sort of information that might shape others' opinions -- either way. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201311 yr Exactly--if you look at their calendars, they are small functions, and many do not necessarily even use the seating bowl and field space. The Browns Stadium already does a considerable rentals business in their restaurant spaces on off nights. So the net gain would be negligible. Combine this with the fact that the stadium is not directly attached to the convention center, and there are two competitive venues right next door (GLSC and RRHOF), and suddenly the additional cost of construction and upkeep are not worth the investment. BTW, I wasn't forming any conclusions based on their event calendars. I can see the argument either way. But that's the sort of information that might shape others' opinions -- either way. As I stated earlier those cities don't have the venues we have for concerts, musical events like we do. So of course the promoter has no choice but to book the stadium.
July 17, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image It doesn't! Sports are definitely the forefront of what the general public thinks of a city. There's no debate here. Those living in Chicago, Atlanta, L.A., and NY could care less about the housing and investment numbers we have Downtown. They're more familiar with our poor sports records year after year.
July 17, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image I travel nationally and internationally and Lebron is #1 on my list, ahead of the weather. Thinking more about what people asking me about Cleveland when traveling: 1. LeBron James "The Decision" 2. "How are the Flats?" (boy if they only knew).... 3. Weather, snow etc.... 4. Drew Carey.
July 17, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image It doesn't! Sports are definitely the forefront of what the general public thinks of a city. There's no debate here. Those living in Chicago, Atlanta, L.A., and NY could care less about the housing and investment numbers we have Downtown. They're more familiar with our poor sports records year after year. Exactly! This isn't a hard concept to understand. If the only regular public exposure you get is your sucky sports teams, how can that not affect your image? Of course it does. There's no debating that
July 18, 201311 yr Why do companies advertise with kittens and children, instead of telling you about their product?
July 18, 201311 yr Not sure, but we're getting way off topic here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image I travel nationally and internationally and Lebron is #1 on my list, ahead of the weather. Thinking more about what people asking me about Cleveland when traveling: 1. LeBron James "The Decision" 2. "How are the Flats?" (boy if they only knew).... 3. Weather, snow etc.... 4. Drew Carey. Those are topics of conversation. Not image or perception. These are what people read or see in the media. I travel for a living and meet people from everywhere. Sure they bring up the Browns or LeBron, but when I tell them that I don't follow sports much (and I don't), they usually tell me that they don't either. So does Charlotte get a bad rap for their losing teams? Kansas City?
July 18, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image I travel nationally and internationally and Lebron is #1 on my list, ahead of the weather. Thinking more about what people asking me about Cleveland when traveling: 1. LeBron James "The Decision" 2. "How are the Flats?" (boy if they only knew).... 3. Weather, snow etc.... 4. Drew Carey. Those are topics of conversation. Not image or perception. These are what people read or see in the media. I travel for a living and meet people from everywhere. Sure they bring up the Browns or LeBron, but when I tell them that I don't follow sports much (and I don't), they usually tell me that they don't either. So does Charlotte get a bad rap for their losing teams? Kansas City? I believe the perceptions of different cities are determined more by those crappy lists that Forbes and seemingly every other magazine puts out. We know its cr@p, but they have more sticking power about what an actual city represents.
July 18, 201311 yr Oh and by the way, when I went to DC on business earlier this year, when people found out I was from Cleveland, only three things came up. 1. The weather. 2. The Browns. 3. Lebron. Don't tell me sports doesn't affect our image I travel nationally and internationally and Lebron is #1 on my list, ahead of the weather. Thinking more about what people asking me about Cleveland when traveling: 1. LeBron James "The Decision" 2. "How are the Flats?" (boy if they only knew).... 3. Weather, snow etc.... 4. Drew Carey. Those are topics of conversation. Not image or perception. These are what people read or see in the media. I travel for a living and meet people from everywhere. Sure they bring up the Browns or LeBron, but when I tell them that I don't follow sports much (and I don't), they usually tell me that they don't either. So does Charlotte get a bad rap for their losing teams? Kansas City? I believe the perceptions of different cities are determined more by those crappy lists that Forbes and seemingly every other magazine puts out. We know its cr@p, but they have more sticking power about what an actual city represents. Partially true! Now can we get back to stadium renovations?
July 29, 201311 yr Browns to announce stadium improvements.http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/sports/football/browns/cleveland-browns-expected-to-make-stadium-improve-announcements
July 29, 201311 yr I'm not holding my breath on any significant structural changes. I suspect it's mostly gonna be fan experience improvements, such as a larger/better scoreboard, free wi-fi, new concessions, etc
July 29, 201311 yr I'm not holding my breath on any significant structural changes. I suspect it's mostly gonna be fan experience improvements, such as a larger/better scoreboard, free wi-fi, new concessions, etc That's what it says in the article.
July 30, 201311 yr Cleveland Browns hope enhancements to game-day experience will be a hit with fans "The Browns announced their initiatives Monday, a proposal that includes improvements to stadium access, cell-phone service, the team stores, the guest experience and pre-game rituals. “We think all of these things together will enhance the fan experience,” Scheiner said prior to the start of practice. “We know we have a lot of work to do and it’s really just the beginning for us. The more feedback we get is better.” One of biggest goals, Scheiner said, is getting fans into the stadium more quickly. They will add 44 security screening stations and 20 turnstiles. The club believes these installations will enable 4,000 more fans to enter the stadium every 15 minutes as compared with last season." Pretty underwhelmed by this to be honest was hoping at least for a new scoreboard. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/07/cleveland_browns_hope_enhancem.html#incart_river
July 30, 201311 yr ^I would imagine improvements to the scoreboard are part of the 100 mil in improvements and renovations which are still in the planning stages.
July 30, 201311 yr ^I would imagine improvements to the scoreboard are part of the 100 mil in improvements and renovations which are still in the planning stages. Ahh I see the way the article was written made it seem as if these were the only improvements we would see, they gave no indication of other major renovations.
July 30, 201311 yr ^I would imagine improvements to the scoreboard are part of the 100 mil in improvements and renovations which are still in the planning stages. That is a correct statement. And to the above, they are looking at significant structural changes.
August 1, 201311 yr A band could hold a concert at the stunningly beautiful State Theater or hold it in a stadium that represents the tribute exacted on our city by the billionaires that run the NFL.
August 1, 201311 yr A band could hold a concert at the stunningly beautiful State Theater or hold it in a stadium that represents the tribute exacted on our city by the billionaires that run the NFL. Choose wisely Depends on how many tickets you wish to sell.
August 1, 201311 yr That's the rationale used to take public money for Wolstein Arena (CSU), Gateway, and the existing Browns Stadium.
September 24, 201311 yr No Dome Planned. http://fox8.com/2013/09/24/firstenergy-stadium-future-no-dome-planned/
September 25, 201311 yr No Dome Planned. http://fox8.com/2013/09/24/firstenergy-stadium-future-no-dome-planned/ So when they mention lower seat modifications do you think they will do what Philly did and add seats in the gaps?
September 25, 201311 yr Banner said that on a scale from 1-10 our sound system is rated at a 2 and can only achieve a max rating 7 or 7.5 due to the stadium set up. That is disappointing.
September 25, 201311 yr Banner said that on a scale from 1-10 our sound system is rated at a 2 and can only achieve a max rating 7 or 7.5 due to the stadium set up. That is disappointing. But not surprising given the conditions the stadium was designed and built under. Run by a government body in a rush with budget constraints that guys like Jerry Jones never see. Frankly I'm surprised we didn't get worse. For an off-the-shelf, cookie-cutter stadium it's not that bad. And at least audio is a relatively easy fix.
September 25, 201311 yr But not surprising given the conditions the stadium was designed and built under. Run by a government body in a rush with budget constraints that guys like Jerry Jones never see. Frankly I'm surprised we didn't get worse. For an off-the-shelf, cookie-cutter stadium it's not that bad. And at least audio is a relatively easy fix. Haha, yea, like those exist. Do you find those more at Home Depot or Wally World? I will say that the aesthetics are nothing special, but that's a huge slap in the face to the planning, design, and detailing that goes into something like a stadium.
September 25, 201311 yr So there are some updates, some minor 'fan experience' improvements and maintenance for a stadium of this age. I appreciate that they're going about trying to improve the existing stadium and not just throwing up their hands and saying 'we need a new one', which candidly I thought they might. That said, they just raised $100MM by selling the naming rights. Where is that money going? Before you say to the aforementioned improvements, Banner is already banging his drum about extending the sin tax, ostensibly to make improvements, etc. I'd like to see an accounting of where that money went. I'm still baffled as to why the City would have negotiated a contract where the City owns the stadium, but the Browns get the full benefit of naming rights.
September 25, 201311 yr They are only doing minor updates because they are planning on building a new stadium in gateway!
September 25, 201311 yr They are only doing minor updates because they are planning on building a new stadium in gateway! Ha ha, sure! Being at Ingenuity this weekend was insightful. Good crowds flocking to North Coast Harbor, always good to see. With a little bit of imagination it's easy to envision how the Stadium can become something of a complimentary attraction within the Lakefront Plan.
September 25, 201311 yr Lackluster improvements Lackluster how? What did you expect? These improvements address the major issues and improve a mediocre stadium. Anyone expecting a dome hasn't been paying attention to the conversation. And to address an earlier comment, this stadium design is most definitely "off the shelf" and that's not a slap in the face, it's a result of a rushed job and a tight budget
September 26, 201311 yr Lackluster improvements Lackluster how? What did you expect? These improvements address the major issues and improve a mediocre stadium. Anyone expecting a dome hasn't been paying attention to the conversation. And to address an earlier comment, this stadium design is most definitely "off the shelf" and that's not a slap in the face, it's a result of a rushed job and a tight budget Not talking about the dome, and lackluster wasn't the word I should've used but I got the feeling from reading things that the improvements would have been more than this.
September 26, 201311 yr Here's a better angle of it..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 27, 201311 yr They tried to flush it, but the 6 Super Bowls rings got stuck. Now, back on topic....
November 13, 201311 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/11152013/111413DRACagenda.pdf Downtown/Flats Design Review District Agenda November 14 2013 9:30am City Hall, Room 6, 601 Lakeside Avenue DF2013-089: First Energy Stadium Modernization: Request for Conceptual Approval Project Address: 100 Alfred Lerner Way Project Representative: John DeWine, Turner Construction This project is scheduled for City Planning Commission on November 15th, 2013. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 13, 201311 yr Cleveland Browns Stadium announcement - Friday. http://www.19actionnews.com/story/23955534/just-in-browns-to-make-announcement-regarding-firstenergy-stadium
November 13, 201311 yr Cleveland Browns Stadium announcement - Friday. http://www.19actionnews.com/story/23955534/just-in-browns-to-make-announcement-regarding-firstenergy-stadium The article says today at 2:15.
November 13, 201311 yr Big scoreboards, new pa, less seats (but more lower bowl seating), more escalators, enhanced concessions, and an overall sleeker look. It looks good to me
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