^ Right ... "Economy" has a huge selection of sub-categories.

 

What exactly do you mean by "economic output"?

I found some number, a little dated from 2002.

Gross metropolitan Products

 

Cleveland $83.26 Billion

Akron $22.42 Billion

Total $105.68 Billion

 

Columbus $63.59 Billion

 

Cincinnati $62.34 Billion

Dayton $32.08 Billion

Total $94.42 Billion

 

I think really you should be comparing Designated Market areas as those are the areas stores will draw from and advertise to.

 

http://www.usmayors.org/71stWinterMeeting/metroreportcharts_012203.pdf

For what it's worth, Butler County was measured separately for those numbers, so Cincinnati should have an additional $9.53 billion.

^So basically, $105.68 billion versus $103.95 billion.

 

Gee.  I wonder why ColDayMan says "they are the same thing" all the time, economically.  I can only wonder...

^So basically, $105.68 billion versus $103.95 billion.

 

Gee.  I wonder why ColDayMan says "they are the same thing" all the time, economically.  I can only wonder...

 

I'm digging the sarcasm ... keep it up! ;)

I like Bloomingdales too!....meh...

^So basically, $105.68 billion versus $103.95 billion.

 

Gee.  I wonder why ColDayMan says "they are the same thing" all the time, economically.  I can only wonder...

 

I'm digging the sarcasm ... keep it up! ;)

 

Well Cin-Day is not an official csa like Cle-Akr so there is stil a little room for argument since technically Dayton is stilll on its own, and Columbus is left far behind, but mostly Cin-Day and Cle-Akr are roughly the same. How likely is it Dayton will be added twith cincy to for m Ohio's newest cma?

Would a downtown or a Beechmont Bloomingdales really draw folks from Akron?  And would a downtown or Kenwood Bloomingdales really draw folks from Dayton?  I know it wouldn't draw me, but I don't know how shoppers actually behave...I wonder if density around a proposed location might not be a measure they'd be more concerned with...like, how many folks who they think might be their shoppers live within maybe 25 miles of a spot?

You mean Beachwood? ;)

Indeed...I used to work around there too, just been away too long!

I know an Ikea draws people 4 hours away.  Bloomingdales seems to be #1 for the 30 plus women demographic in draw from other cities.

I was just about to mention Ikea. They definitely are a retailer that draws people from anywhere from 1 to 4 hours away, but that's because they seem to have a cult following and cater to those looking for designer furniture at reasonable prices, hence the willingness to make the trip to the closest Ikea in the region. Something tells me that Bloomingdale's clientele is not the same as those that patronize Ikea. For that reason, I think those that have mentioned that the retailer would likely locate in an area with a high concentration of affluent citizens, rather than try and attract people from a region in general. Granted, if Bloomingdales were to locate in Cincinnati or Cleveland, some affluent residents of Dayton and Akron respectively would likely make a trip down there, which would help the bottom line. So I still think the Cincinnati area would be the most capable to supporting Bloomingdales, followed by Cleveland, then Columbus.

Hmm it isn't unheard of for upper middle class women to drive to Indy from this region for Nordstrom's so I have no doubt that Bloomingdales would attract out of town shoppers.

Wow...that's so beyond anything I'd imagine doing...of course, I would drive to Indy to go to that museum with a Foucault's Pendulum, so I guess it's diff'rent strokes...

 

Hmm it isn't unheard of for upper middle class women to drive to Indy from this region for Nordstrom's

 

of course, I would drive to Indy to go to that museum with a Foucault's Pendulum

 

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...not to steer the topic of conversation in an other direction, but people drive to Indianapolis from the Cincinnati area to patronize these locations, when both can be found right up I-71 in Columbus?

 

:cry:

 

Where's the Columbus Foucault's Pendulum?  I know there's one in Indy, and one in Louisville...

It's been a COSI mainstay since the original location on E. Broad St.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSI

 

Ah, very cool!  I had no idea...my in-laws are in Columbus, so I'll have to have us go there when we're up sometime...I've been wanting to go hang out with a Foucault's Pendulum for a long time now, and haven't made a special trip for it yet.  Thanks for the heads up!

No problem, glad I could help!

 

Now, back to Bloomingdales... :-P

Glad to see Urban Ohio can help keep your tourist dollars in the state of Ohio, another job well done by the UO community :)

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What in the hell is a "Foucault's Pendulum"?

Well if you clicked on his Louisville link you would have learned about it. ;)

Here's a handy explanation:

http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/

 

...with demonstrations and such...

There is a Foucault's Pendulum on Xavier University's campus.  It's inside the physics building.

Is that open to the public?  I'm sure it would be...I'll have to check that out.

 

These are cool too - earthquake roses - patterns made in sand when a pendulum that's tracing its path through sand is in an area with an earthquake:

 

 

http://www.earthquakerose.com/

Nerds.

 

What does this have to do with Bloomingdales? Wait, I don't even care about Blooimingdales.  Wait, why am I even in this thread.  Please disregard.

Local retail center vacancies worse than national average

Smaller malls, big-box centers, not area's big malls, pull rates down

Cincinnati Business Courier - June 2, 2006by Lisa Biank Fasig

 

One wouldn't know it from the line-up of stores at Rookwood Commons and Kenwood Towne Centre, but vacancy rates at Cincinnati-area shopping centers are faring badly compared to the national average. As of the end of first-quarter 2006, 11.9 percent of the leasable space at area centers sat available, according to a recent report by the CoStar Group Inc., which collects data on commercial real estate. The national average is 6 percent, CoStar spokeswoman Audra Capas said. The International Council of Shopping Centers puts the figure at 9 percent.

 

http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2006/06/05/newscolumn1.html

I know of some Kmarts that have not been reused since they closed down in the area. I know that's keeping the rates up. Amazing we have more retail space than office space.

I remember reading that Cleveland or at least the county which encompasses it, Cuyahoga, has a similar problem of overbuilt retail.

 

The county did a study in 2000.  Results here> http://planning.co.cuyahoga.oh.us/retail/

I remember reading that Cleveland or at least the county which encompasses it, Cuyahoga, has a similar problem of overbuilt retail.

 

The county did a study in 2000.  Results here> http://planning.co.cuyahoga.oh.us/retail/

 

I bet nearly every place does. In rural Michigan where I lived for a year, WalMart was moving from a massive building to an even bigger, ginormous building down the road, leaving the old one vacant. I think there should be laws against this sort of thing. It's stupid and hurts all communities.

From the 7/10/06 Enquirer:

 

 

PHOTO: Fresh Market, opening this week in Oakley, sells only food and flowers.  Fresh Market

 

Fresh Market's focus on service

BY POLLY CAMPBELL | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

 

At the Fresh Market chain of boutique grocery stores, the goal is to provide a pleasant shopping experience. Come Wednesday, area residents will have a chance to sample the Fresh Market experience in Oakley. That's when the North Carolina-based chain, with 56 stores in 12 states in the Southeast and Midwest, will open its first store in the area.

 

The store also features:

 

* A large selection of organic and conventional produce, depending on which is better quality.

* A flower department.

* A deli with prepared foods.

* Artisan cheeses.

* A full-service bakery.

* Seafood flown in six times a week from Gloucester, Mass.

* An extensive bulk coffee selection.

 

A Kenwood store is expected to open in January.

 

E-mail [email protected]

 

Fresh Market grand opening

When: 9 a.m. Wednesday-8 p.m. Sunday

Where: 3088 Madison Road, Oakley

Store hours: 9 a.m.-9 p.m. Monday-Saturday; 10 a.m.-8 p.m. Sunday

Highlights include:

* Live music

* Outdoor barbecue with baby back ribs Wednesday and Saturday

* Cooking demonstrations with local chefs

* Wednesday, seafood specialist Michael Gardner talks about the benefits of seafood and demonstrates how to fillet fish.

* Sushi samplings, Maryland crab cake tastings, Hereford blackened-blue cheese steak demonstration and tasting, Nueskes bacon sampling each morning.

* Free coffee brick to first 1,000 customers

Information: www.freshmarket.com or 513-533-2600

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060710/LIFE/607100303/-1/rss

 

...yet from the outside it looks like a bomb shelter.

Sounds like my kind of store!

They've been in Columbus for about a year now and man, Fresh Market is great. Their customer service is impeccable, if you wait in line for checkout they treat you like as if they have failed you. They have soft classical music, kinda like Panera music, played throughout the entire store. The lighting is soft and there are lots of plants and tile flooring, and that's just the ambiance. The food there is always fresh with among the most beautiful produce I've ever seen. I always go for the sushi, which is the same price as the boxed sushi one finds in Kroger or lunch shops, but it seriously tastes 10 times better. Yeah, you do pay a small premium for most other things, but it's definitely well worth it if you want true quality merchandise.

 

Where is this little fella located?

Gold - It is on Madison, across the  street from the Oakley Library in a "plaza" with a CVS.  This used to the where the IGA was, then more recently Jones the Florist was located there. 

 

It opened on the 12th and I've been there twice already.  This place is great!  I want to eat everything in the store. 

I plan on trying it out this week.  How are the prices?

I think they are probably a little bit higher prices than at a regular grocery store, but you won't be going there for everything you would get a Kroger and they didn't seem to be too far out of line with other stores. 

I shop periodically at one of these in Columbus.  Their meats, fish and poultry (especailly their rotisarrie (sp ?) chickens are great and their produce is excellent.  Not as overwhelming in scope at as Whole Foods.  The prices are decent.  It's like anything else, you look for the specials.

Wonderful news.  I already drive to Hyde Park for my weekend frou-frou cooking fest (my local Walnut Hills Kroger has awful produce and no selection...aargh), so this is great - I can go here first, then swing by Kroger's/Biggs for anything they don't carry...I already make two stops some weekends - I prefer Biggs for fish and wine, but Kroger for meat and produce (Biggs always seems to be out of what I need), so I don't mind the extra stop...

 

I went yesterday - LOVED IT!  We will be back.

I went yesterday - LOVED IT!  We will be back.

 

Come on man ... there's gotta be something you hate about it? ;)

Just came back from there - got some Chilean Sea Bass and some thick-cut pork chops, some veggies, and some fresh figs (yay!), a peach that looks very good, and a plum that looked great but tasted awful - no flavor.

 

Very helpful staff - the guy at the seafood counter chatted with me for a few minutes about dinner options, recommended broiling the sea bass...loads of selection.  The plum was very disappointing, but we'll see how the rest of it is.  The produce looked wonderful...Issue430 is mixing up a salad dressing right now for a salad of orange peppers, red peppers, cucumber, mushroom and onions...

 

The Chilean Sea Bass turned out to be phenomenal.  Wonderful flavor, and broiling it was perfect.  I pre-heated the oven to 375 or so with the pizza stone in it, then set a thin baking sheet with the fish on it, on top of the pizza stone, right under the broiler, to help it cook through while it browned, and that worked great.

 

The salad was wonderful, and Issue430's dressing was tasty (Mark, do you remember what you put in it?  Oil, lemon juice, dijon mustard, vinegar of some sort, a dash of hot sauce, and some honey...anything else?), the veggies were great, the pork chops were tasty (a little blackening powder on them)...tasty, tasty, tasty...everything was great but the plum...

 

 

Where is this little fella located?

 

The one in Columbus is on Henderson Rd., in between the intersections of Henderson and Reed Rd. and Henderson and Sawmill Rd. It's in the same strip center as Lifestyle Fitness and Sears Hardware and right across the street from, of course, Kroger. I told you all this place is good! :)

Has anyone besides me ever wondered why the retail mix in Greater Cincinnati isn't better?  It seems that the leasers in the malls tend to go after the same thing and a crapload of projects recently have had the same few anchors.

Is cincinnati unattractive to certain retail/food chains?  Or is this a Federated/Kroger throwing there weight around thing?

I want my El Pollo Loco.

Well, speaking about food, Cincinnati is decent in "national restaurants" but I do want my Bojangles damnit!

You're crazy for creating this thread, Weedrose. Just crazy.

Irritates the hell out of me that there isn't an El Pollo Loco here.

Well, speaking about food, Cincinnati is decent in "national restaurants" but I do want my Bojangles damnit!

 

North Carolina can keep that Bojangles garbage down there.  It is disgusting.

 

I think Cincinnati has a great chain presence.  Carrabba's, Buca Di Beppo, Bravo, Friendly's, Roy Rogers, Hamburger Mary's, Palamino, Rock Bottom - these are just some of the national chains off the top of my head that we lacked in St. Louis and we have here.  Now we are getting a Mccormick and Schmick's & Ikea before them. 

 

El Pollo Loco is a west coast chain, they can't open one here unless they build a distribution center.  The closest ones to Cincy are in Texas other than one in Chicago and wouldn't you want to open a store in the third largest market in the country?  If we are all looking at pipe dreams then screw El Pollo Loco and give us an In N Out.

If you aren't a chicken fan, I can see it being disgusting.  But it's a hell of a lot better than Ritchie's.  And FYI, the founder is from the westside of Cincinnati and Cincinnati actually used to HAVE Bojangles.