This link (http://www.demographia.com/db-metmic2004.pdf) , shows the population growth trends of US metro areas from 2000-2005

 

Cleveland 2000- 2,945,831  2005 2,931,774  Percentage -.5%

 

Cincinnati 2000- 2,050,175  2005 2,113,011  Percentage 3.1%

 

Columbus 2000- 1,835,189    2005 1,936,351  Percentage 5.5%

 

Pittsburgh and Cleveland were the only two metros to shrink.

It looks like they are using the CSA's, which I must say did not do Cincinnati any favors.  Our metro gained about 31,000 while Indianapolis, Columbus, and Charlotte all added 200-300,000 when they switched from metro to CSA.  I wonder how they determined that because these cities are getting some small towns that are pretty far away - is Chillicothe really part of Columbus?  In Cincinnati's case, I would not really consider Wilmington part of our metro either.  And if they are going to include Wilmington why would Dayton not be merged as it is equidistant.  Enough of the bitching because I always enjoy sifting through this type of data.

 

It looks like Cleveland and Pittsburgh are not alone as Buffalo is also losing - that whole region has been hit hard apparently.  In Ohio, Dayton, Toledo, and Youngstown also lost population.  I hope these trends are reversed soon.

 

And although I hate to point it out, Atlanta continues to explode: 701,000 in 5 years - mindboggling.

It looks like they are using the CSA's, which I must say did not do Cincinnati any favors.  Our metro gained about 31,000 while Indianapolis, Columbus, and Charlotte all added 100-200,000 when they switched from metro to CSA.  I wonder how they determined that because these cities are getting some small towns that are pretty far away - is Chillicothe really part of Columbus?  In Cincinnati's case, I would not really consider Wilmington part of our metro either.  And if they are going to include Middletown why would Dayton not be merged as it is equidistant.  Enough of the bitching because I always enjoy sifting through this type of data.

 

It looks like Cleveland and Pittsburgh are not alone as Buffalo is also losing - that whole region has been hit hard apparently.  In Ohio, Dayton, Toledo, and Youngstown also lost population.  I hope these trends are reversed soon.

 

And although I hate to point it out, Atlanta continues to explode: 701,000 in 5 years - mindboggling.

  Thats because atlanta uses areas that are on the TN border nowhere near ATL.  Its so false and this needs to be better regulated.

 

Charlotte is the same way.  Hell Cleveland would still be larger if we used 20 damn counties like some cities in the south

I had heard CSA was calculated based on commuting.  If X% of Chillicothe works in Columbus, than Chillicothe was included.

 

I'm not 100% sure on this though...

Damn - I had to make a couple changes to my original post.  When I have time I am going to try to research how they determine CSA's.

Heck San Diego lost people the past year.  I think when a metro gets big enough. High prices of realestate will slow them  down considerably, look at Boston.

CSAs are combinations of existing metro/micropolitan areas.  They're essentially based on commuting... if the commuting is above a certain level, the combination is automatic; if it's within a certain lower range (but still above some minimum), the combination is made if local opinion supports it.

 

It's probably worth noting that they don't include just random individual counties, but counties that are already part of a metropolitan or micropolitan area (although in the latter case those generally are single counties).

Heck San Diego lost people the past year.  I think when a metro gets big enough. High prices of realestate will slow them  down considerably, look at Boston.

 

Very true....most midwestern cities (even if completely healthy) would not have much room for growth because of a leveled out growth pattern.  These metropolitan areas are looking much more towards infill and smart growth than one might think.  Its not nearly as much as the coasts, but its getting there.  The south is just running rampant and its sprawl is completely out of control!  Hell 20 counties...why not just put Cincy...Dayton...and Cbus all in one then.

I have said it before and I will say it again, these numbers need to be calculated using distances, not census blocks et al.  1, 5, 10, 20, 50 mile radii etc. would give a much better representation of the true count.

I have said it before and I will say it again, these numbers need to be calculated using distances, not census blocks et al.  1, 5, 10, 20, 50 mile radii etc. would give a much better representation of the true count.

 

100% agreed.

Measuring by distance can let you compare population density, but I don't see that it offers much of a comparison of the size of metropolitan areas.  Columbus and Phoenix, for example, aren't comparable metropolitan areas just because the population within a 10 mile radius might be similar.

The city of Cincinnati gets beaten up unfairly all the time when it comes to its population density and population loss stats.  Compare satellite images of Cincinnati with anywhere else in the country and I can't find a place that has more interruptions to its neighborhoods caused by hillsides, large parks, cemeteries, and golf courses.  There have to be at least 7 or 8 18-hole golf courses surrounded by dense pre-WWII growth in the Cincinnati city limits, not to mention hundreds of acres of cemeteries.  In short /thousands/ of acres of land within the city of Cincinnati's borders are just woods, thinly used parks, golf courses, or a bunch of dead people who nobody remembers and goes and visits.   

 

As for Hamilton County, there are maybe two to three thousand acres of the Little Miami flood plain that will never be developed for obvious reasons, and then tens of thousands of acres west of the west side where there are no sewers and no easy interstate access.  In short Hamilton County is hardly built-out, in fact at least 1/3 of Hamilton County remains untouched by Cincinnati's sprawl.  The population density is again thinned by The City of The Village of Indian Hill, home to just over 5,000 people but 18 square miles of prime time. 

 

The South is a complete planning disaster, it is much more dispersed than anything in Ohio.  The big difference is that everyone down there is so positive about their crappy towns and cities whereas everyone in the Midwest is pessimistic even though the places have so much more going for them.  The road projects down there are unending, the 4-lane divided highway is like a basic street there.       

 

Measuring by distance can let you compare population density, but I don't see that it offers much of a comparison of the size of metropolitan areas.  Columbus and Phoenix, for example, aren't comparable metropolitan areas just because the population within a 10 mile radius might be similar.

 

 

Granted.  But when you get out to the 30, 40, 50 mile radii, then you really have something.

The big difference is that everyone down there is so positive about their crappy towns and cities whereas everyone in the Midwest is pessimistic even though the places have so much more going for them.  The road projects down there are unending, the 4-lane divided highway is like a basic street there.       

 

Damn so true and so sad.  I wish more people in SW Ohio had more pride in there region.

Lack of civic pride is a huge problem in Ohio...

 

It's even starting to rub off on me. I was drinking wine with a girl from Florida this weekend and I remember saying "After I graduate, I never want to see Ohio again." I'm usually the last person to say such things. :|

 

oi, people from michigan are usually the first to say such things! :|

This link (http://www.demographia.com/db-metmic2004.pdf) , shows the population growth trends of US metro areas from 2000-2005

 

I never believe anything demographia puts out. Demographia is run by Wendell Cox, an anti-urban, anti-transit, pro-highway-only idiot who once advocated for double-decking all of Atlanta's highways to "relieve" traffic congestion. The latter was a report funded by the Highway Users Alliance. The people who believe him are Cox Suckers. Do a Google search on his name sometime -- just be sure to have a puke bucket handy.

To me it's very hard to believe Columbus is near 2 million. Same with Indianapolis and Charlotte. Those metro's do not feel like 2 million metro's at all.

KJP is right.  Wendall Cox is a numb nut St. Louisan that gets paid by the pro suburban world to spread false information.

He railed (bad pun) against the St. Louis light-rail system back in the early 90s when it was getting built, saying no one would ride it. Then he said only former bus riders would use it, causing transit system costs to increase with no net gain in riders. Then, when the rail system blew away its ridership projections with twice as many riders as forecast (45,000+ daily) AND ridership increasing on the bus system, he was marginalized in his own hometown. The rail system continues to expand.

 

Cox has (had?) a charter bus operation and proposed to St. Louis and numerous other cities considering rail that they contract out bus operations instead. And, to whom? Why, to Cox, of course! Call him a modern-day National City Lines.

Does this look like a guy that would provide false numbers? ;)

 

^ James Trafficant, pre jail time?