9 minutes ago, NsideProp said:

While I certainly welcome traffic calming measures in Northside, I wouldnt want to sacrifice the ability to run BRT on Hamilton Ave. I feel adding bump outs to Hamilton would prevent a bus only lane and real BRT. 

 

I wonder how many of the crosswalk ‘paddles’ have been run over. How many times have they been replaced ? They might help a little bit, but crossing Hamilton Ave, you are taking your life in your hands if you are not paying attention.

 

I, too, have wondered what the average life expectancy of the crosswalk "paddles" is, city-wide. I live near the one on Ravine Street at Warner and it seems to last less than a week every single time it's replaced. It's a bit unnerving how often drivers hit a large, reflective, stationary object that's in a crosswalk, aligned with the double-yellow. We give out drivers' licenses way too easily.

54 minutes ago, NsideProp said:

This seems to be taken from a garage space off Blazter Alley. That place was an absolute mad house on the 4ht of July. Lots of noise and people.  A band regularly practices there. Once I passed by when the band was messing around, I gave them a nod, and looked in, I could clearly see the words “JACK SHACK”  spray painted on the wall. 

 

But ultimately your right, no one celebrates the 4th like Northside !

 

One-by-one, the shabbiest properties in Northside will be sold and renovated, so eventually these people will land somewhere else.  It's still unclear where, though, as a rival node of restaurant-workers-who-are-in-bands hasn't formed anywhere else.  Price Hill?  Fairmount?  Westwood?  Spring Grove Village?  St. Bernard?  There are a smattering of Northside expats in those places, but no clear rival has emerged.  

 

 

Camp Washington?

42 minutes ago, carnevalem said:

Camp Washington?

 

Nope it's too small.  Camp Washington only has about 150 single-family homes an about 100 more 2-families and 3-famlies that look like single-families from the street.  Northside has upwards of 1,000 single-family homes and another 1,000 duplexes and other small multi-families. 

 

 

College Hill seems like a logical spot. It has a semi-attractive NBD with some ‘been there for years’ small businessss and lots of potential. It already seems to be happening a bit, I thought....? 

I think the young-hip families have College Hill on lock, I doubt that would be the place, I see the same happening to Westwood over the next 5. 

 

All 3 of the Price Hills seem like a top candidate though, if we are ruling out Camp Washington (which shouldn't be ruled out if they can get a large "artist flats" apartment building built/rehabbed that can house many of these people).

 

In reality, I bet it just spreads out from Northside.  South Cumminsville, Mt Airy, Camp W, Spring Grove Village, maybe even Brighton. Hopefully we get another neighborhood where those types of people are concentrated though, having them all living in Northside made that neighborhood fun in the first place and put it on the map.

Edited July 12, 20195 yr by 10albersa

On 7/11/2019 at 4:48 PM, NsideProp said:

While I certainly welcome traffic calming measures in Northside, I wouldnt want to sacrifice the ability to run BRT on Hamilton Ave. I feel adding bump outs to Hamilton would prevent a bus only lane and real BRT. 

 

I wonder how many of the crosswalk ‘paddles’ have been run over. How many times have they been replaced ? They might help a little bit, but crossing Hamilton Ave, you are taking your life in your hands if you are not paying attention. 

 

 

 

 

I 100% support BRT along Hamilton Avenue but I feel like it needs to operate more like a local service through the Northside business district. It can have limited stops, but I don't want to give up the parking lanes now that we've made them permanent. Having a row of cars there helps slow down motorists and provides a buffer for pedestrians. It also makes it feel like a destination instead of just somewhere to get through. I feel like replacing them with a BRT lane would revert it back to a speedway.

Yeah, I don't like the idea of removing parking and making them into bus lanes. The better option is to add sidewalk bumpouts and make the parking lane permanent, while giving pedestrians more street space and more visibility at crosswalks. One easy solution to speed up buses would be to add a queue jump at Knowlton's Corner for buses heading northbound on Ludlow Avenue. The bus would get signal priority to jump in front of cars heading north onto Hamilton Avenue.

I know it's not really in the language of city, county, or state engineers, but if they wanted to turn the parking lanes into bus lanes they could change the grade of those lanes (at least between intersections) to be halfway between sidewalk- and street-grade. That would probably calm traffic to an even higher degree than the permanent parking lanes. And given that buses aren't all that frequent, it would be sort of like having bumpouts.

 

I don't think anyone should spend time worrying about losing the parking lanes, though. It's hard to imagine a serious proposal to get rid of all those parking spots.

On 8/7/2019 at 9:45 AM, Robuu said:

 

I don't think anyone should spend time worrying about losing the parking lanes, though. It's hard to imagine a serious proposal to get rid of all those parking spots.

You are absolutely correct about this. People would lose their minds over any proposal to remove on street parking in the business district. 

 

Hamilton Ave is currently being torn up again for underground utility work. It seems like it had been ripped apart like 2 years ago. Seemingly no coordination. Needless to say Ham Ave is a bumpy ride through the NBD.  Looking forward when its all repaved, restriped and smooth.  Also some of the smaller residential side streets are in dire need of attention.  Chambers, APJONES, and Mad Anthony are all cratered out and resemble a minefield. 

 

17 minutes ago, NsideProp said:

Hamilton Ave is currently being torn up again for underground utility work. It seems like it had been ripped apart like 2 years ago. Seemingly no coordination. Needless to say Ham Ave is a bumpy ride through the NBD.  Looking forward when its all repaved, restriped and smooth.  Also some of the smaller residential side streets are in dire need of attention.  Chambers, APJONES, and Mad Anthony are all cratered out and resemble a minefield. 

 

This lack of coordination between the city and the utilities drives me nuts. The Main Street traffic calming project in OTR was in the works for years, and a bunch of utility work was done in advance before the new sidewalks were poured and the street was repaved, but less than a week after being repaved, the street was torn up by Water Works for more utility work. The city has also done an awful job of repaving the dozens of streets that were torn up for the "fiber ring" project downtown.

In my neighborhood in Dayton last summer, they did water maintenance, gas maintenance, and then repaved almost every street, all within a few months. It was painful while they were doing all the work, but in the end it was pretty great to get smooth streets all over.

 

Northside is an absolute disaster. I have family members that live in Northside on one of the streets @NsideProp listed and up the hill on Hamilton. There was no effort to make Hamilton smooth after the utility work a couple years ago; there are just long bumpy paths where the pavement was cut to access pipes.

 

After the city took on a bunch of debt to resurface streets, you'd think the whole city would be smooth.

1 hour ago, Robuu said:

smooth.

 

 

3 hours ago, NsideProp said:

Chambers, APJONES, and Mad Anthony are all cratered out and resemble a minefield. 

 

THIS. Why are all the streets in Hyde Park in such great shape but Mad Anthony is like driving in a developing country? Oh wait, no need to answer that. 

1 hour ago, Robuu said:

After the city took on a bunch of debt to resurface streets, you'd think the whole city would be smooth.

 

Right, that's what makes it even more ridiculous. We borrowed $100 million for the "Capital Acceleration Program" and our roads only improved from like a "D-" to a "D".

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

THIS. Why are all the streets in Hyde Park in such great shape but Mad Anthony is like driving in a developing country? Oh wait, no need to answer that. 

 

Northside has average street quality - they're better than downtown and OTR. Hyde Park is only marginally higher. Avondale has nicer streets than Hyde Park, and places like East Westwood are among the best in the city.

 

Source:

 

https://insights.cincinnati-oh.gov/stories/s/8suc-n8wr

41 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Northside has average street quality - they're better than downtown and OTR. Hyde Park is only marginally higher. Avondale has nicer streets than Hyde Park, and places like East Westwood are among the best in the city.

 

Source:

 

https://insights.cincinnati-oh.gov/stories/s/8suc-n8wr

 

I'm very familiar with this data and I can tell you it's complete horse crap. I recently moved from downtown to Northside. The streets downtown are rough in spots but do not compare to the clusterf*ck that we have in Northside. The street in front of my house is rated "excellent" and I can assure you it is far from it. 

Three new permits issued yesterday for new construction SFD homes at 1323, 1325, and 1327 Knowlton. This is across from Knowlton Tavern and currently a big hole in the ground. Glad to see they are moving forward here. I wonder what these will go for? 

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

Three new permits issued yesterday for new construction SFD homes at 1323, 1325, and 1327 Knowlton. This is across from Knowlton Tavern and currently a big hole in the ground. Glad to see they are moving forward here. I wonder what these will go for? 

 

There were 1-2 dilapidated small homes at this corner until last year.  

 

That whole area of Northside from Chase down to Spring Grove and between Fergus and Dane was still pretty dangerous through 2015-16, with many vacant homes.  There has been an incredible turnaround in a very short period of time.  

 

 

 

1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

There were 1-2 dilapidated small homes at this corner until last year.  

 

That whole area of Northside from Chase down to Spring Grove and between Fergus and Dane was still pretty dangerous through 2015-16, with many vacant homes.  There has been an incredible turnaround in a very short period of time.  

 

 

 

 

We bought a house in this area. Talked to someone who lives on Chase, but on the other side of Hamilton, and he said they used to call our part of the neighborhood "the war zone." It is amazing how much it has changed. 

A little piece of Nashville has sprung up in Northside...if this keeps up we'll have to start calling it Nashside (get it?!!!  get it?!!!):

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1633825/4017-Gulow-St-Northside-OH-45223

 

 

 

 

 

That's pretty bizarre they don't have any pics of the inside.

5 hours ago, climberguy714 said:

That's pretty bizarre they don't have any pics of the inside.

 

I just noticed while looking at Google Earth that the new house sits on the exact same 20x40~ footprint as the previous house.  So it's possible that they reused the original house's foundation, although it doesn't look like it from these photos.  It might have been a way to get around a zoning requirement to provide a parking pad or garage.  Also, it's worth noting that this lot is only 75 feet deep...adding 25~ feet to the front for a parking pad or garage would have pushed the rear of the house very close to the rear lot line, possibly in violation of code. 

 

The thing about vacant lots in Cincinnati is that they all look the same but they are in fact all quite different.  A "standard" 25x100 lot is actually pretty hard to find.  My house sits on a 25x90, I previously owned a pair of 25x87's, and now I own a 21x125. 

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

.  So it's possible that they reused the original house's foundation, although it doesn't look like it from these photos. 

 

 

It IS the old foundation.  Cue scary music.  They filled in the original basement windows at some point but for this rebuild they installed glass block:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1592855,-84.540354,3a,49y,244.39h,89.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5B8BpXmDlbRgVvAyOKLWxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

On 8/15/2019 at 10:26 PM, jmecklenborg said:

A little piece of Nashville has sprung up in Northside...if this keeps up we'll have to start calling it Nashside (get it?!!!  get it?!!!):

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1633825/4017-Gulow-St-Northside-OH-45223

 

 

 

 

 

Just walked past this one tonight and sale is pending. Interesting to see what it sold for. From the outside i saw lots of drywall and white contractor grade doors so im really intrigued as to the layout and finishes. I do like the design of the outside though and it did get railings. FYI in peak Northside fashion the little house nextdoor has a rooster and flock of chickens! I hope that wall is insulated well for sound.

Northside Transit Center finally broke ground this morning:
 

https://www.go-metro.com/projects

 

 

Edited October 29, 20195 yr by DEPACincy

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/11/11/event-center-opens-in-northside-photos.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

They have been working on this things for like 3 years. The courtyard looks really nice. Havent been inside yet.

On 10/2/2019 at 10:25 PM, SleepyLeroy said:

Just walked past this one tonight and sale is pending. Interesting to see what it sold for. From the outside i saw lots of drywall and white contractor grade doors so im really intrigued as to the layout and finishes. I do like the design of the outside though and it did get railings. FYI in peak Northside fashion the little house nextdoor has a rooster and flock of chickens! I hope that wall is insulated well for sound.

 

Its currently pending at $424,000. That would be the highest priced home sold in Northside this year.

Per WCPO. This house is sold and while it is good to see energy efficiency a 200,000 premium could sure pay a few decades worth of energy bills for a house that size. https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/move-up-cincinnati/northside-home-buyers-seek-energy-efficient-homes-but-how-does-that-impact-home-prices?fbclid=IwAR0VACB8aytxDW-rPpsesHBFI4RQ5hs68tffG-MbyblmGMw1KiVzdqk68d0

That's not what it's saying. There's no way in hell the energy efficiency premium was 200k on that house.

1 minute ago, jmicha said:

That's not what it's saying. There's no way in hell the energy efficiency premium was 200k on that house.

 

Yeah, I was about to post something to that effect. It's silly to to think of this as a "$200k premium" just for energy efficiency. It's a new, higher-end house compared to other houses in Northside. It has lots of things that the older, cheaper houses probably don't have. You can disagree with whether or not it's "worth" the premium, but clearly somebody thought it was worth the price and bought it. 

Three stories, maybe four with a basement, new construction, decently high-end, yeah that's not an unreasonable price at all.  If you're already doing better than builder-grade construction, then the price premium for LEED can be negligible.  $5,000-10,000 in additional design fees and certification, and maybe 5-10% more in the construction itself.  The value of the property tax abatement (100% for 15 years if LEED Platinum certified) for a house like this $120,000, which is huge, and then there's the energy savings and additional durability on top of it. 

That's the house that was built on the previous house's foundation.  

Couldn't get a pic, but two new foundations are being poured for houses at the corner of Mad Anthony and Boyd. Boyd is a mess of a street still, so this could be the beginning of wholesale change in that little pocket of Northside. The little house next to the site in the Google image below is also being renovated. I'm excited to see what these new construction homes will look like.

 

https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/opal/ezTrakAPDList.aspx?ezstdadrtag=4110||MAD ANTHONY|ST||||CINC|CINC|02210019004504110M|022100190045|022100190045|CINCINNATI

 

https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/opal/ezTrakAPDList.aspx?ezstdadrtag=4114||MAD ANTHONY|ST|GJ1297137469|||CINC|CINC|02210019004604114M|022100190046|022100190046|CINCINNATI

 

 

This area of Northside used to be the most dangerous part of the neighborhood.  Everything from about Fergus over to Dane and south of Apjones was pretty bad through about 2016. 

1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

This area of Northside used to be the most dangerous part of the neighborhood.  Everything from about Fergus over to Dane and south of Apjones was pretty bad through about 2016. 

 

I live within those boundaries. I have neighbors who say they used to call our part of Northside the "warzone." It's definitely changed a lot. Now if we can just get them to pave the damn streets.

The pavement on Mad Anthony, Apjones, and Boyd has always been terrible.  Like, for my entire life.  

Only blue-collar people drive on Wayne so of course it's going to left in bad shape.

20 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Only blue-collar people drive on Wayne so of course it's going to left in bad shape.

 

Northside has a Mad Anthony and an Anthony.  Meanwhile, Anthony Wayne begins about 2 miles northwest of northside in Carthage.  There is also a Wayne St. in Walnut Hills.  

 

I have delivered pizzas.  Many, many pizzas.  

 

Cincinnati has 6 different roads named Straight St.

The "multiple streets with the same name" thing is a problem in Philly too, since the city was many different municipalities before the county was consolidated. One interesting tidbit is that there was no Main Street in the original boundaries of Philly, just Market (originally High) and Broad. But Manayunk, which used to be a separate municipality has a Main Street. So today if you're on Main Street in Philly, you're actually like 6 miles from the actual "main" street (which is arguably Market or Broad, depending on who you ask).

When did they ever split up Cincy's main street, Vine, after it went up the hill and turned into Jefferson?

 

Vine Street is also Springfield Pike correct, once it gets to Wyoming, or is that before in Hartwell? Speaking of Vine Street in Wyoming, it's getting a big road diet I believe!

2 hours ago, IAGuy39 said:

When did they ever split up Cincy's main street, Vine, after it went up the hill and turned into Jefferson?

 

Vine Street is also Springfield Pike correct, once it gets to Wyoming, or is that before in Hartwell? Speaking of Vine Street in Wyoming, it's getting a big road diet I believe!

 

"Short Vine" was created in the late-1960s.  Previously Vine and Auburn Ave. met at Corry St., where the Kroger is now.  Jefferson and Vine split in another Y intersection where the big UC power plant is now.  Jefferson went diagonally through what is now the EPA property.  

 

Jefferson turns into Ludlow at Brookline - NOT at Clifton.  Almost nobody outside delivery guys know this.

 

Vine stays Vine through St. Bernard, Elmwood Place, and Carthage.  It turns into Springfield Pike right by the fairgrounds.  

 

Also, Paddock is a tricky St. It is a due n/s street that follows a township section line but connects Vine and Reading in direct alignment with Springfield Pike.  

 

Also, the street that divides Bond Hill (Cincinnati) and Norwood has two different names.  The Bond Hill side is Rhode Island Ave.  The Norwood side is Section Rd.  

 

Northside has a ridiculous collection of street names. From memory:

 

• Apjones
• Mad Anthony 
• Anthony
• Lingo
• Jester
• Jo Williams
• Glen Parker
• Glen Armond
• Palm
• Florida/Georgia/Kentucky
• Otte

 

It's also home to The Spyglass Apartments, the most absurdly named apartment complex in the city.  

 

 

1960 Aerial of the Vine/Short Vine situation Jake was describing. Vine and Auburn connect at the south. Jefferson branches off of Vine at the north.

 

47 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

"Short Vine" was created in the late-1960s.  Previously Vine and Auburn Ave. met at Corry St., where the Kroger is now.  Jefferson and Vine split in another Y intersection where the big UC power plant is now.  Jefferson went diagonally through what is now the EPA property.  

 

Jefferson turns into Ludlow at Brookline - NOT at Clifton.  Almost nobody outside delivery guys know this.

 

Vine stays Vine through St. Bernard, Elmwood Place, and Carthage.  It turns into Springfield Pike right by the fairgrounds.  

 

Also, Paddock is a tricky St. It is a due n/s street that follows a township section line but connects Vine and Reading in direct alignment with Springfield Pike.  

 

Also, the street that divides Bond Hill (Cincinnati) and Norwood has two different names.  The Bond Hill side is Rhode Island Ave.  The Norwood side is Section Rd.  

 

 

I wonder why it changed to Springfield Pike by the fairgrounds, that must have been annexed much later into the City, Hartwell?

 

I've done that Rhode Island Section confusing area, is that the street you cross when playing Avon Fields? That always freaks me out like no other, maybe I am wrong on the roads

6 minutes ago, IAGuy39 said:

 

I wonder why it changed to Springfield Pike by the fairgrounds, that must have been annexed much later into the City, Hartwell?

 

 

I was wrong.  It actually changes at the exact city limits where Hartwell meets Wyoming:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2175149,-84.4736364,3a,75y,173.42h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdmC5kYISfCMtuHAeL-zjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Vine between this point and St. Bernard was "Carthage Ave." in the 1800s but changed at some point so that Vine delineated east and west addresses throughout the entire city.  

 

 

18 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Jefferson turns into Ludlow at Brookline - NOT at Clifton.  Almost nobody outside delivery guys know this.

 

I think people realize this; otherwise the Skyline would be at Clifton & Jefferson, and I don't think anyone says that. Though people might not know specifically that it changes at Brookline, I think they realize it doesn't happen at Clifton Ave. I'd wager there would be more people saying the library is on Ludlow than saying the Skyline is on Jefferson.

Edited December 19, 20195 yr by Robuu

On 12/18/2019 at 4:38 PM, jmecklenborg said:

Northside has a ridiculous collection of street names. From memory:

 

• Apjones
• Mad Anthony 
• Anthony
• Lingo
• Jester
• Jo Williams
• Glen Parker
• Glen Armond
• Palm
• Florida/Georgia/Kentucky
• Otte

 

It's also home to The Spyglass Apartments, the most absurdly named apartment complex in the city.  

 

 

 

Add:

 

• Langland
• Dane (not to be confused with Dana)
• Ludlow Place (not Ludlow Ave)
• Fergus
• Weigold
• Turrill
• Virginia (to go with FL/GA/KY)
• Blue Rock
• Burgoyne
• Argyle
• Philomena
• Wiepul Alley

^Nobody seems to know if Glen Parker and Glen Armond are named after two guys named Glen or if they're "glens".  Which I think is like a meadow in a valley, but I'm not sure.