1.Stevie Ray Vaughan

2.Carlos Santana

3.Jimi Hendrix

4.David Gilmour

5.Jimmy Page

 

Over rated: Eric Clapton

 

Discuss.

I would definitely agree with your list...but I might (would) put Jimi at # one, reason being I believe he pioneered the guitar sounds of that area and now.  The dude was like David Blaine with a guitar. Stevie and Carlos....I have to say WOW to them as well.  Clapton was damn good, be HE even admitted to Jimi being the best...

1.Carlos Santana (does things with a guitar that are surreal and to record a CD today that gets airplay on the current rock stations says a lot.)

2. Eric Clapton (over-rated or not, the man thinks up sounds on his feet better than most anyone who has picked up a Stratocaster)

3. Dick Dale (practically invented the West Coast "surfer" sound)

4. Wes Montgomery (A jazz guitarist, but one whose sound influenced many others in rock and jazz.

5. Jimi Hendrix (a true innovator, but his star burned out way too fast.... who knows what he could have been today alongside Santana and Clapton... his contemporaries).

In no particular order

Jeff Beck

Frank Zappa

Eric Clapton

Keith Richards

Jorma Kaukonen

While my interest in Clapton has waned over the years, the Cream reunion concerts really knocked me out. Those guys are not 20 yr olds anymore but still quite dynamic.

Picking these guys from the 60's is also kind of problematic as they were all heavily influenced by much older guitarists who may not have had the range these guys had but were more revolutionary and innovative in what they did.

And to be a total music snob prick :-)

I have no idea why people think Stevie Ray Vaughn is so great. All he did was ape one small facet of Hendrix' vast range.

The reason for most of my picks is that all those guys are composers as well as just players.

Well, maybe not Beck. But from a guitarist perspective, he is just amazing.

David Gilmour? I have trouble putting him up there. I'd actually replace him with Chuck Berry for the tremendous influence he had on all that followed after. And how about someone whose genius on the guitar and other instruments gets overlooked. The Purple One (not Barney)... Prince.

Umm...like...Avril Lavigne.  Duh.

do bassists count? robbie shakespeare of sly & robbie. yah mon.

 

Bassists.... how about Larry Graham of Sly & the Family Stone and (later) Graham Central Station.  Classic funk.

Jaco Pastorius...though I know him mostly through my bassist friend who worships him...

Alex Lifeson

Clapton overrated? Are u kidding me? He may admit Jimi was the best, but the Best are generally modest.

Alex Lifeson

 

ha, you like rush

 

and if bassists are getting thrown in there, james jamerson

Guitarists: Jimi Hendrix.  End of story, do not continue debate on #1.

Bassists: George Porter Jr. I'd pay $100 to watch a "funk" off between Porter, Larry Graham, and ColDay's uncle Bootsy Collins

Drummer: Gene Crupa or John Bonham

 

^good pics. no question uncle bootsy is the winner of your funk off.

 

drums: not thee best, but honorable mention goes to max weinberg. after take three of 'born in the usa' he had to go to the hospital and have surgery on his hands!

 

Well I was right when I figured putting Hendrix at #3 would kick up a giant cloud of dust around here.

 

Jaco Pastorius...though I know him mostly through my bassist friend who worships him...

I've been listening to his version of Cissy Strut a lot lately...talented guy

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ColDayMan is Bootsy Collins' nephew?! Awesome.

 

 

^No, I'm not.  It's Magyar trying to be funny.  Interestingly, you failed to see the joke as well...

 

Blue are the life giving waters taken for granted

they quietly understand

Once happy tourquis armys lay opposite and ready

But wonder why the fight is on?

But they're all bold as loovvee

yeah they're all bold as looveee

They're alll bold as looveee

Just ask the axis

 

 

  A little off topic...but if any of you are ever in Cleveland on a Thursday night, check out Hoople's tavern on Columbus Ave in the flats.  There is a guy named Glen Schwatrz that plays there (for free).  He was once a member of the James Gang, but I believe was replaced by Joe Walsh, (who on occassion shows his face there).  This guy is a total FREAK!!  He can play like I have never heard before (in person).  He is a bit strange though...kinda goes off on tangents and preaches, calls women whores, and blames them for the evil in the world(no comment!  lol)...but when he gets back on track, he is mind blowing.  Blues/rock oriented...worth checking out.

How can you even have this list and not have Eddie Van Halen on it? 

  Hell...maybe we should put John Denver on it too!    :-D

John Denver sucks. Bob Dylan sucks too while we're at it. Those guys have the most annoying singing voices.

 

I'm a really big John Mayer Trio fan, I  can't stop listening to their CD, its really bluesy.

^Please tell me that was a tangential comment about John Mayer in regards to annoying singing voices and you weren't nominating him for the best guitarist of all time (sorry, I'm kinda snobby about music)

Not to shift gears too much - but how about the best OHIO guitarist ?

The guy in Clevo ?

Do I get to pick Jorma again ?

Cal Collins ?

Rick Derringer ?

Cheetah Chrome ?

Bob Dylan sucks too while we're at it.

 

...ah, young people...

 

(Though if you're referring to his guitar-playing skill, I'm with you...hell, he'd be the first to agree with you!)

Not to shift gears too much - but how about the best OHIO guitarist ?

The guy in Clevo ?

Do I get to pick Jorma again ?

Cal Collins ?

Rick Derringer ?

Cheetah Chrome ?

 

An Ohio only band...that would be a little more challenging.

Adopted sons Jorma, Joe Walsh (born in Kansas), Robert Lockwood Jr (followed Sunny Boy Williamson to Cleveland from Chicago in the early 60s, Sunny Boy continued moving on, but Robert has, more or less, stayed put for 40+ years now)

^Please tell me that was a tangential comment about John Mayer in regards to annoying singing voices and you weren't nominating him for the best guitarist of all time (sorry, I'm kinda snobby about music)

 

It was just in regards to music I like. He's not the best guitarist but he's really good IMO. I'm more into Blues-Rock and there's not much new stuff out right now in that genre that's actually good so I end up listening to the old stuff from the 70s. Punk Rock is too whiney for me and most Indie Rock bores me. Nothing these days can really compare to what was created in the 60s-70s. I don't know, maybe they're just not doing enough drugs these days lol.

All I can say is, it's your loss, my friends...I've spent I don't know how many countless hours in heaven listening to Dylan...music isn't about perfection - perfect voices or perfect guitars or perfect performances - it's about emoting...and ain't nobody can out-do Dylan for that.  Pure poetry, in the words, the music, and the performance...

"Go" is really good. I was really pissed that John Mayer's song with Kanye West got cut from Late Registration. :whip:

 

Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, The Roots > Mainstream Rap

All I can say is, it's your loss, my friends...I've spent I don't know how many countless hours in heaven listening to Dylan...music isn't about perfection - perfect voices or perfect guitars or perfect performances - it's about emoting...and ain't nobody can out-do Dylan for that.  Pure poetry, in the words, the music, and the performance...

He's a really good poet but I don't know I guess I care more about delivery. Its like with standup comedy. Robin Williams goes crazy on stage, hes all animated and does the improving and it's hilarious. Dane Cook is another example. Then you have some comedians that just kinda stand there... and they'll have good jokes but they're not as good at delivering them.

C-Dawg, I can tell you that if you let yourself go, and spend some time with him, nobody delivers his words as well as Dylan does.  You're a lot farther along than most - you see the poetry.  But I promise you, you're missing out on so much, until you see past what he sounds like at first, and let that rasp speak to you...

 

It doesn't come all at once, but if you give yourself permission to let him sink in, you'll be giving yourself an invaluable treasure.

 

But, most certainly, he ain't a guitarist!  Sorry to hijack the thread, David!

I'm more into Blues-Rock and there's not much new stuff out right now in that genre that's actually good so I end up listening to the old stuff from the 70s.

 

Track down some Ray Fuller (long time Blues/Rock musician from Columbus)

Or if you want something a little different, CC Adcock from down here in Louisiana

 

But, most certainly, he ain't a guitarist!  Sorry to hijack the thread, David!

You could talk about Mrs. Fields cookies in any of my threads, hell I don't care :-D

 

Magyar thanks for the recommendation--you seem to be an authority on all things bluesy, I'll check 'em out.

Magyar thanks for the recommendation--you seem to be an authority on all things bluesy, I'll check 'em out.

 

That's what I've been accused of. :-)

I'm more into Blues-Rock and there's not much new stuff out right now in that genre that's actually good so I end up listening to the old stuff from the 70s.

 

Track down some Ray Fuller (long time Blues/Rock musician from Columbus)

Or if you want something a little different, CC Adcock from down here in Louisiana

 

I guess my recommendation is Ted Hawkins. Certainly not a candidate for best guitarist and off the beaten path from what you'd consider blues-rock. In fact, he plays more like Ritchie Havens. But it's a mix of Blues and Soul that I've always loved and above all, he has maybe the most expressive voice I've ever heard. You damn near feel his lyrics, and I'm a jaded bastard! :wink:

All I can say is, it's your loss, my friends...I've spent I don't know how many countless hours in heaven listening to Dylan...music isn't about perfection - perfect voices or perfect guitars or perfect performances - it's about emoting...and ain't nobody can out-do Dylan for that.  Pure poetry, in the words, the music, and the performance...

He's a really good poet but I don't know I guess I care more about delivery. Its like with standup comedy. Robin Williams goes crazy on stage, hes all animated and does the improving and it's hilarious. Dane Cook is another example. Then you have some comedians that just kinda stand there... and they'll have good jokes but they're not as good at delivering them.

 

Would some rippin' guitar solos make Dylon's music better?

 

Typically, I find that most of my favorite musicians aren't great instrumentalists.  It seems that virtuosity usually distracts musicians from the expressive qualities of music.  They begin creating music to show off their chops instead.  Considering that, I'd say that the best guitarist probably is Jimi Hendrix.  He was beyond guitar chops.  He just played guitar like he was speaking fluently. 

 

You could talk about Mrs. Fields cookies in any of my threads, hell I don't care :-D

 

I had some Mrs. Fields cookies today.  Chocolate chip nibblers, to be precise.  OK, but not as good as I've come to expect.

I'm more into Blues-Rock and there's not much new stuff out right now in that genre that's actually good so I end up listening to the old stuff from the 70s.

 

Track down some Ray Fuller (long time Blues/Rock musician from Columbus)

Or if you want something a little different, CC Adcock from down here in Louisiana

 

waah? now there is a blast from the past. ray fuller was the house band at howard's in bg for years. sometimes he played there two or three times a week. he's still at it? tolerable at best.

 

 

 

Lay Lady Lay was one of Dylans  better musical efforts.

 

Bob Dylans best is probably "Blood on the Tracks", from the 1970s.  Not his famous stuff, but maybe just a solid album with good songwritng.  I like how he riffs on "americana" without getting too specific...like in "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts".  Fun song.

 

And yeah, Dyan can barely sing.  I agree.  I heard a great parody of him by Ron Thomason of Dry Branch Fire Squad.  Its actually on tape to, on DBFS "Live at Last " CD (riff called "The Worlds Greatest Folk Singer", leading to a cover of Stephen Foster's "Hard Times')

 

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As for the question in the thread header...since I neither play guitar (or any other instruement), read music, nor can I even hold a tune, I have no idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would some rippin' guitar solos make Dylon's music better?

 

Typically, I find that most of my favorite musicians aren't great instrumentalists.  It seems that virtuosity usually distracts musicians from the expressive qualities of music.  They begin creating music to show off their chops instead.  Considering that, I'd say that the best guitarist probably is Jimi Hendrix.  He was beyond guitar chops.  He just played guitar like he was speaking fluently

 

Dylans music is good and can be done a'la  hard rock.  Listen to Jimi Hendrixes treatement of 'All Along The Watchtower'.  That is a famous cover. 

 

 

 

 

not a big dylan fan, he's ok. but i have a few things of his laying around the harddrive on mp3.

 

so alright folks here it is.....the ultimate duet of raspy voiced old rockers. from the grammys or the rock hall thing, i dk which, here is dylan&springsteen with dylan's 'forever young.' enjoy...or be amazed they are still breathing at all - heh!:

 

http://www.savefile.com/files/2294053

 

out wheeze that!  :laugh: (no dmx does not count).

 

 

not a big dylan fan, he's ok. but i have a few things of his laying around the harddrive on mp3.

 

so alright folks here it is.....the ultimate duet of raspy voiced old rockers. from the grammys or the rock hall thing, i dk which, here is dylan&springsteen with dylan's 'forever young.' enjoy...or be amazed they are still breathing at all - heh!:

 

http://www.savefile.com/files/2294053

 

out wheeze that!  :laugh: (no dmx does not count).

 

 

Good song but I still can't stand Dylan's voice  :-P

 

What do you think of these?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4C65FBA06B4597F9

 

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C0A2658634EE2885 - This one is a 14mb file and like 9 minutes long but I've never heard a song convey so much emotion

I'm more into Blues-Rock and there's not much new stuff out right now in that genre that's actually good so I end up listening to the old stuff from the 70s.

 

Track down some Ray Fuller (long time Blues/Rock musician from Columbus)

Or if you want something a little different, CC Adcock from down here in Louisiana

 

waah? now there is a blast from the past. ray fuller was the house band at howard's in bg for years. sometimes he played there two or three times a week. he's still at it? tolerable at best.

 

 

Yeah, Ray's still at it.

http://www.rayfullerandthebluesrockers.com/

http://www.thethirstyear.com/Music.htm Ray Fuller is amongst the musicians featured in this collection of MP3s

 

Had to laugh, they play a couple of tracks from Ray Fuller's last CD (in 2004) down here in Baton Rouge as well.

oh yeah, I almost gorgot

Danny Gatton

guitarist - not bassist

not a singer

Yngwie Malmsteen.

Would some rippin' guitar solos make Dylon's music better?

 

Typically, I find that most of my favorite musicians aren't great instrumentalists.  It seems that virtuosity usually distracts musicians from the expressive qualities of music.  They begin creating music to show off their chops instead.  Considering that, I'd say that the best guitarist probably is Jimi Hendrix.  He was beyond guitar chops.  He just played guitar like he was speaking fluently

 

Dylans music is good and can be done a'la  hard rock.   Listen to Jimi Hendrixes treatement of 'All Along The Watchtower'.  That is a famous cover. 

 

 

 

 

Heh I always thought Hendrix was the first one to come out with all along the watchtower... but its not my generation so I have a good excuse :-D

It comes down to Zim Zum...

 

 

...or Buckethead:

 

 

 

 

Colonel Sanders looks like a racist plantation owner

I listen to more hard-rock and metal, so my nominations in addition to those above:

 

--the late, great Randy Rhoads

--Dimebag Darrell--made two notes into one of the heaviest riffs ever on "Walk"

 

--Dave Mustaine is highly underrated, and perhaps one of the best rhythm players ever

I hope everyone has seen Glen Shwartz at Hooples. He's an amazing guitarist and INSANE! so its a really good show- especially with the amazing skyline views from the west bank of the flats. He won't last much longer, so you better be sure to see him soon. In fact, I'm going to see him play tonight.

I may be there too....wearing a "Mexico" shirt...you would be the first UrbanOhion'an I might meet..say hello if you see me!

What is Hopples? Where is it and can you get in if you're 19 or is it 21+?  I wouldn't mind taking a road trip to Cleveland for some good live music