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On 12/13/2018 at 1:30 PM, DevolsDance said:

 

From what I am reading, it seems like the industrial businesses are concerned about the land value and variances if this goes through. Basically they believe that this will not only skyrocket the value of the land (thus increasing their property taxes I assume) but also opens the door for these  types of developments to become the new normal. So yep, the industrial NIMBYS have arrived. My damn that impressive, a new breed of NIMBY I didn't even imagine possible. 

 

In all reality, the city is trying to push Franklinton hard and its gaining traction, they approved a massive tax package for CMM, and OBM already exists right next to  this so I honestly see the zoning board approving this and calling it a day. In the cities eyes if this opens the Franklinton flood gates (bad pun) for new development, I imagine they'll consider it a success.

In addition to the concerns on taxes, which I'm sure is a part of it, I think the concern is more that future high tech office workers (or residents as development continues) aren't going to want a dusty, smelly, unattractive chemical/industrial complex next door to their new world class HQ and that the existing companies will be forced out 5-10 years down the line. GFS Chemicals Inc. has been there since 1928 and I think their existential concerns are justified. Columbus Business First had a an article on this Weds or Thurs. 

 

As an example, near where I grew up there was a speciality chemical company that was out in the middle of nowhere when it was built. Then years later its surrounded by a golf course and upper middle middle class suburbs and suddenly it had to justify it's right to be there. 

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2 hours ago, 17thState said:

In addition to the concerns on taxes, which I'm sure is a part of it, I think the concern is more that future high tech office workers (or residents as development continues) aren't going to want a dusty, smelly, unattractive chemical/industrial complex next door to their new world class HQ and that the existing companies will be forced out 5-10 years down the line. GFS Chemicals Inc. has been there since 1928 and I think their existential concerns are justified. Columbus Business First had a an article on this Weds or Thurs. 

 

As an example, near where I grew up there was a speciality chemical company that was out in the middle of nowhere when it was built. Then years later its surrounded by a golf course and upper middle middle class suburbs and suddenly it had to justify it's right to be there. 

 

I'm not sure it is a good argument to hold back a neighborhood's future based on a hypothetical possibility years down the road. 

I'm not saying it is either. I think the greater good here is to allow the development of the HQ and all its variances. I'm particularly glad to see a development that utilizes the river as an asset. I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair to dismiss the valid concerns of a 90 year old family owned business as NIMBYism. They aren't complaining about traffic or parking or some other nonsense. I think it's valid to say that their business doesn't align with the future development that's gonna take place here and they're gonna have to spend millions to move. 

 

On 12/15/2018 at 3:20 PM, 17thState said:

I'm not saying it is either. I think the greater good here is to allow the development of the HQ and all its variances. I'm particularly glad to see a development that utilizes the river as an asset. I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair to dismiss the valid concerns of a 90 year old family owned business as NIMBYism. They aren't complaining about traffic or parking or some other nonsense. I think it's valid to say that their business doesn't align with the future development that's gonna take place here and they're gonna have to spend millions to move. 

 

 

They're going to make millions off their property sale.

It looks like Toddguy was right to be concerned about the fate of the existing church building at the corner of State & McDowell back in June:  https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/21-columbus-franklinton-developments-and-news/?do=findComment&comment=838387

 

Yesterday's Dispatch reported that a new development is being proposed for that same State & McDowell location from local affordable housing developer Homeport.  Below is the article and two renderings of the new affordable apartment development that is being proposed:


Homeport proposes affordable housing in Franklinton

 

Nonprofit affordable-housing organization Homeport is proposing a four-story complex that will include 52 apartments at 476 W. State St., at the corner of State and McDowell streets, according to city documents.  The apartments would be reserved for families earning 80 percent or less of the area median income.  In Columbus, that threshold is $42,800 for one person, $48,960 for two people and $55,040 for three people.

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The proposal indicates the development would include two- and three-bedroom units and 64 parking spaces, four onsite and 60 spaces in the Gravity II parking garage.  Gravity is a $70 million, six-story development at 500 W. Broad St. that will open to residents in the spring.  Gravity II is the second phase, on the south side of W. Broad Street.  The site of the proposed Homeport development is owned by the City of Columbus Land Redevelopment Division and is occupied by a church built in 1911 that has been vacant for seven years.  Homeport is requesting approval to tear down the church.

 

The demolition of the church and construction of the Homeport project was discussed at Tuesday’s East Franklinton Review Board meeting.  This wouldn’t be the only affordable housing complex in Franklinton.  Out of Town, a 45-unit three-story complex on W. Town Street, welcomed residents in October.

 

MORE:  https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181218/homeport-proposes-affordable-housing-in-franklinton

 

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I generally like Homeport, but this design is too hospital-like, and the proposal to tear down the church should be rejected.  It would make a great remodel into housing.  

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Took a walk around the River & Rich project today. It's nearing completion and a few residents have moved in already.

 

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7 hours ago, Pablo said:

Took a walk around the River & Rich project today. It's nearing completion and a few residents have moved in already.

 

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I really like the colored/shipping containerish parts. Otherwise this would be deadly dull. There is way too much gray/dull brick going up. I have also completely changed my mind about the red color on that 9 story building going up off Oak downtown. As long as the red is not especially hideous, MOAR COLOR!!!! less dull brown/gray/black brick.  Hell I am longing for more good old Columbus orange/red brick than all this dark dull brick if we have to have brick, brick, and more brick.

 

*The art helps as well.

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The colored parts are probably the most successful part of this building but even then they used the most drab shades of the blue, green, red, orange color families. 

 

The interior of the units are significantly less nice than all the other new buildings in Columbus, despite the cost being the same. 

 

Now that this is wrapping up I wonder if they will develop something on the other CMHA owned land to the west of this. 

22 hours ago, Toddguy said:

I really like the colored/shipping containerish parts. Otherwise this would be deadly dull. There is way too much gray/dull brick going up. I have also completely changed my mind about the red color on that 9 story building going up off Oak downtown. As long as the red is not especially hideous, MOAR COLOR!!!! less dull brown/gray/black brick.  Hell I am longing for more good old Columbus orange/red brick than all this dark dull brick if we have to have brick, brick, and more brick.

 

*The art helps as well.

 

Columbus does seem to be fond of brick. I think its a very safe material and blends well with almost all buildings, which makes it an easy sell to tough critics. I personally love the black/grey brick. I hope with what Franklinton has received thus far and has proposed encourages Columbus to embrace more modern and contemporary architecture that isn't as "safe". 

I really like the artwork that has been incorporated into the River and Rich project as well as the Gravity project. I especially like that Kobra self portrait, really awesome!

21 minutes ago, Lucas_uLsac said:

 

Columbus does seem to be fond of brick. I think its a very safe material and blends well with almost all buildings, which makes it an easy sell to tough critics. I personally love the black/grey brick. I hope with what Franklinton has received thus far and has proposed encourages Columbus to embrace more modern and contemporary architecture that isn't as "safe". 

Red or orange/red brick is not really "trendy"...this gray/black stuff appears to be so, at least to me. And it looks downright funereal to me if they use too much of it. And it is brick, which means we will be stuck with it for a very long time. I would rather have a little more variety-there is a place for it, but not just swathes of it-it is just too dark and depressing. I agree about more modern and contemporary stuff-like Gravity! 

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I do think the black/grey brick is trendy. But I see it becoming more common. I certainly don't want it everywhere, I think it works best complimenting other aspects of a building. It goes really well with the color of the reused shipping containers, and it compliments the glass color of the Moxy super well. It does remind me of The Ministry of Magic from Harry Potter though. 

9 hours ago, Lucas_uLsac said:

I do think the black/grey brick is trendy. But I see it becoming more common. I certainly don't want it everywhere, I think it works best complimenting other aspects of a building. It goes really well with the color of the reused shipping containers, and it compliments the glass color of the Moxy super well. It does remind me of The Ministry of Magic from Harry Potter though. 

Yeah it is becoming more common, and I agree it does work in the situations you mentioned-with the glass of the Moxy and with the art and the colored shipping containers of this development. As long as it is not completely dominant but is part of a larger variety of materials I am ok with it.  And I agree again that we really do need more modern and contemporary architecture and East Franklinton looks like a good place for that. The Scioto Peninsula is also a clean slate that would benefit from that IMO.

First Look: Gravity

 

With events already scheduled, multiple office tenants secured, and the first residents set to move in some time this spring, the impact of Kaufman Development’s Gravity project is already being felt in Franklinton.

 

The six-story building at 500 W. Broad St. will hold a total of 236 residential units. Commercial space will fill the ground floor, as well as each level of the western-most section of the building. Peletonia, Cova Cowork, Roosevelt Coffeehouse and Bark have already signed on to lease space in the building.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/first-look-gravity-bw1

 

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Take a look inside new River & Rich residential units in East Franklinton

 

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Residents are moving into East Franklinton's newest space.

 

The $40 million River & Rich development features studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom apartments from 501 square feet to 1,414 square feet that cost $959 to $2,349 a month. The space also features a small number of live-work units.

 

River & Rich will have 230 one- and two-bedroom apartments, 25,000 square feet of retail space and a 292-space parking garage. About 25 residents have moved into the development, with remaining buildings to be completed in coming months.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/01/14/take-a-look-inside-new-river-rich-residential.html

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Project to convert Franklinton church into affordable housing in limbo

 

Developers will scramble in the next few weeks to see whether plans to turn a 107-year-old Franklinton church into affordable housing remain financially viable.

 

Homeport wants to tear down part of the 18,000-square-foot West Side Spiritualist Church, 79 McDowell St., and convert the space into 50 residential units.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/01/16/project-toconvert-franklinton-church-into.html

 

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We drove by this today.  It is dump.  It would take a lot of money to fix this up.

Why did the congragation leave? Too costly to maintain? Maybe the Landmarks folks can come up with a lot of dough to bring it up to standard.

I am all for preservation...but this looks beyond repair.

Small congregations don't have the money to keep up their old church buildings these days. All the money gets sucked into megachurches. 

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It's hard to take pictures of images printed on mesh especially in direct sunlight but I was over by the Gravity 2.0 site and it's fenced off with construction equipment and the renders have changed drastically for the tall building and low rise as you can see from my pictures. I don't know about the other buildings. I'm sure we will see more as the project continues to move forward. They haven't submitted for permits yet so I'm sure they're just doing work to clear the site and maybe some soil testing. Either way I'm glad to see this move forward and the new designs appear to be much better. 

 

Edit: Just noticed the gravity website shows the redesigned buildings. This is by far the coolest project in the entire state right now. While on the website if you check the floor plans for the existing Gravity building, as cool as that building is the shape caused some really weird floor plans for the apartments. I don't know if I'd want to live in some of the weird triangular / trapezoidal units. 

https://gravityproject.com/commerce/ 

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I know its been shown in some other images, but that middle photo dramatically shows just how close the downtown core is to East Franklinton.

It also shows the Huntington Center's rooftop bar is going to have some bomb-a$$ views of Gravity.

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How about some old school West Franklinton stuff?  And by old school, I mean the former Bellows Elementary School visible from 315:

 

According to this item from 10TV, the Columbus City Attorney's Office reached an agreement with the building's owner, giving him until April 16 to fix code violations on the exterior.  After a hearing to update his progress, the court will set a new deadline for him to address the building's interior:  https://www.10tv.com/article/owner-ordered-fix-deteriorating-former-columbus-school-found-unsafe-and-dangerous-city

 

And according to this recent reddit post, the owner is doing some roof repairs and painting the very prominent cornice at the roof line:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/aqdvw7/bellows_elementary_building_improvements/

 

 

Pizzuti confirms Franklinton land buy

 

Pizzuti Cos. plans to tear down the former Graham Ford property in Franklinton.

 

Company President Joel Pizzuti confirmed in a Tuesday statement that the developer had closed on the property at 707 W. Broad St., a 6.8-acre complex of buildings between Mount Carmel West and the Rt. 315 interchange.

 

Business First broke the story of the sale in December. A price for the land hasn’t been registered with the Franklin County Auditor.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/02/19/pizzuti-confirms-franklinton-land-buy.html

 

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Board OKs plans to convert 107-year-old Franklinton church into affordable housing

 

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The vacant West Side Spiritualist Church can be turned into affordable housing if Homeport can win the tax credits to fund the project.

 

The East Franklinton Review Board approved the developer's concept to demolish parts of the 18,000-square-foot building at 79 McDowell St. and convert the 107-year-old structure into a 50-unit development.

 

Plans call for the building, which has sat vacant for a decade, to complement the 12-story Gravity 2.0 mixed-use development going up just to the north.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/02/19/board-oks-plans-to-convert107-year-old-franklinton.html

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Too bad they cannot save more of the existing structure.

I ran by the structure last week. There are numerous vertical cracks through the facade. The building looks like it's constructed of concrete blocks, not stone. 

^The building is precast concrete made to resemble stone, an early application of that technique.

Pizzuti Aquires 6.8-Acre Site in Franklinton

 

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The transformation of Franklinton continues, as local development firm The Pizzuti Companies has officially acquired the vacant auto dealership lot located at 707 West Broad Street, next to Mount Carmel hospital. The company announced the purchase yesterday, but has not unveiled development plans for what the 6.8 acre site may hold in the future.

 

“In support of the continued growth of our city, we closed on the property at 707 West Broad Street,” said Joel Pizzuti, President and Chief Operating Officer of The Pizzuti Companies. “This is an important acquisition for our firm and we look forward to being a part of Franklinton for years to come.”

 

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/pizzuti-west-franklinton-we1

 

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9 hours ago, Pablo said:

I ran by the structure last week. There are numerous vertical cracks through the facade. The building looks like it's constructed of concrete blocks, not stone. 

I also thought it was concrete block. It looks like a fancy bomb shelter

I was very surprised by the age of the structure 

I think the church is ugly. If it was architecturally significant I'd be more concerned about the demolition, but it's nothing special. The new building design makes an attempt to preserve some of the design language and stained glass of the church but this doesn't translate well to an apartment building. Since they're going to tear down the church anyway, I'd rather see them look to the future of the neighborhood and come up with something that will work well with Gravity and the other new buildings in the area. 

Board Approves Demolition of Franklinton Church for Affordable Housing

 

The East Franklinton Review Board (EFRB) gave its conditional approval yesterday to a plan to demolish the former West Side Spiritualist Church at 79 McDowell St.

 

The proposal, from the affordable housing nonprofit Homeport, calls for a four-story, 50-unit apartment complex on the site. Residents of the building would have access to 60 parking spaces in the Gravity II garage, which will be located directly across the street. That project was approved by the board last fall.

 

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/board-approves-demolition-of-franklinton-church-for-affordable-housing

 

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Columbus is really hell-bent on having no historic architecture at all.  It goes to show what a vast difference there is between a neighborhood like German Village with very strong standards for historic preservation versus Franklinton or Olde Towne East that continue to let their history slip way.  I generally like Homeport, but this proposal is mediocre and the church should've been incorporated. 

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Renters at Franklinton development will get help saving for a home

 

There's a unique perk for those moving into the newest housing development in Franklinton.

 

Kaufman Development has launched a partnership with Columbus-based startup Rhove Inc. to offer tenants at its soon-to-open Gravity development off Broad Street a "Rent to Earn" tool that will match tenants' savings up to 2.5 percent of their rent, while employing other tools to help them prepare for homeownership.

 

"I made the mistake of calculating how much rent I paid over 10 years, and it was pretty insane," Rhove founder Calvin Cooper said via phone. "We see the challenges millennials face and thought about what we could do to help."

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/02/26/renters-at-franklinton-development-will-get-help.html

 

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Wagenbrenner picked to redevelop Mount Carmel West

 

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Wagenbrenner Development has been chosen to turn the Mount Carmel Westcampus into a mixed-use neighborhood when the inpatient buildings are demolished this summer.

 

Mount Carmel Health System chose the Columbus developer for its history of urban renewal – "transforming underutilized properties into purposeful community assets," the system said in a statement – in neighborhoods such as Weinland Park and Italian Village.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/02/26/wagenbrenner-picked-to-redevelop-mount-carmel-west.html

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Wagenbrenner Selected to Develop Mount Carmel West Site

 

The long-planned redevelopment of Mount Carmel’s Franklinton campus took another step forward this week with the announcement that Wagenbrenner Development will be leading the project.

 

Samantha Irons, spokesperson for Mount Carmel Health Systems, said that the local company’s track record of redeveloping large urban sites – as well as its reputation for working collaboratively with residents and neighborhood groups – were prime factors in the decision. 

 

“Wagenbrenner…will work directly with Mount Carmel and the greater Franklinton community to implement the shared vision for the campus, which will serve as a community resource for healthy living, education and economic development,” Irons said in a statement.

 

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/wagenbrenner-selected-to-develop-mount-carmel-west-site

 

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Franklinton's Buddhist Temple will rise again with a new look

 

Three years after Franklinton's Buddhist temple was destroyed by arson, its congregation has the money for a new one.

 

Columbus Karma Thegsum Chöling has been fundraising to replace its center at 231 S. Grubb St. since the building burned down in January 2016. The group has run an extended $2.3 million GoFundMe drive to re-build, and now an anonymous donor has pledged $500,000. That will allow the group to break ground on a new temple this spring, according to a Monday morning email to adherents.

 

The group gained final approvals from the East Franklinton Review Board for the building's design last month. Renderings submitted show a 10,000-square-foot, two-story temple at the corner of Grubb and Rich streets with a large central gathering space and several classrooms.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/03/04/franklintons-buddhist-temple-will-rise-again-with.html

 

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^^ I don't understand why someone would intentionally burn down a Buddhist temple.  It is not exactly like buddhists are really are normally the target of such stuff...unless it was just some idiot who is just xenophobic and could not distinguish between say Buddhism and Islam. Did they ever find out who did it/why ?  Was it hate motivated..or something else?

 

I somehow do not remember this incident. 

 

This building does look decent enough.

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32 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

^^ I don't understand why someone would intentionally burn down a Buddhist temple.  It is not exactly like buddhists are really are normally the target of such stuff...unless it was just some idiot who is just xenophobic and could not distinguish between say Buddhism and Islam. Did they ever find out who did it/why ?  Was it hate motivated..or something else?

 

I somehow do not remember this incident. 

 

This building does look decent enough.

 

It could have been burned down for reasons other than someone being a xenophobe. Perhaps someone who attended had a falling out with one of the leaders and went off the deep end. Maybe someone was drugged up and decided they wanted to burn something down. Maybe someone broke in, stole all the money inside, and then burned the building down to cover their tracks. Maybe a couple bored teenagers just wanted to set something on fire. Who knows. It's odd nonetheless. 

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It could have been burned down for reasons other than someone being a xenophobe. Perhaps someone who attended had a falling out with one of the leaders and went off the deep end. Maybe someone was drugged up and decided they wanted to burn something down. Maybe someone broke in, stole all the money inside, and then burned the building down to cover their tracks. Maybe a couple bored teenagers just wanted to set something on fire. Who knows. It's odd nonetheless. 

Yeah I thought about that..the "something else".  I just don't remember anything about this. I will have to look into it.  I am glad they are rebuilding anyhow. 

 

I wonder how many Buddhists are in Cbus...and if they are growing in number?

 

*Ok they got the arsonist and he got five years. Seems like it was just a guy who was setting fires...I did not see anything about anything or anyone being specifically targeted. Glad they got him.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20171207/arsonist-gets-nearly-five-years-for-destruction-of-buddhist-temple-two-garages

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Yeah I thought about that..the "something else".  I just don't remember anything about this. I will have to look into it.  I am glad they are rebuilding anyhow. 

 

I wonder how many Buddhists are in Cbus...and if they are growing in number?

 

I don't remember hearing anything about it either, which is odd. 

 

I'm sure there are a decent number of Buddhists in Columbus, given the large and growing number of Indians living in the city. Franklinton seems like an odd location for a temple though. Most Indians seem to be out in the suburbs. 

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I don't remember hearing anything about it either, which is odd. 

 

I'm sure there are a decent number of Buddhists in Columbus, given the large and growing number of Indians living in the city. Franklinton seems like an odd location for a temple though. Most Indians seem to be out in the suburbs. 

Well I bet if anyone does know it would be jonoh81 lol. He has all the data. It does seem like an odd place for a temple to me also.

 

*Also the arsonist did not set fire to the temple directly-it was literally a dumpster fire-that spread to the temple. He also set fire to two garages. Somehow it helps a bit to know he did not mean to burn down the temple but only start a fire in a dumpster.

 

The new one looks to be ok, and according to the article, it will have ZERO parking-it will use the Dodge Recreation parking per an agreement.  Shared parking in Cbus. Unfortunately, still something of a novelty but will be on the rise.

 

 

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5 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I don't remember hearing anything about it either, which is odd. 

 

I'm sure there are a decent number of Buddhists in Columbus, given the large and growing number of Indians living in the city. Franklinton seems like an odd location for a temple though. Most Indians seem to be out in the suburbs. 

 

Most Indians are Hindu.  Hinduism is not Buddhism.  Buddhists are only 0.7% of India's population.

9 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Most Indians are Hindu.  Hinduism is not Buddhism.  Buddhists are only 0.7% of India's population.

 

Ah yes, you are correct. Buddhism originated in India and I confused myself. 

 

Also, 0.7% of India is nearly 10 million people. That's insane. 

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