September 8, 20231 yr 17 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: This is just pure speculation but it seems like Schiff in particular might be the problem here. He seems to have fallen out of favor with investors or something because his last few proposals around town have fallen through. That would make more sense, especially with such a small build. These are popping up all over the place without problem it seems. Can’t believe having it in that area would be hard to fund.
September 8, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, wpcc88 said: This is just pure speculation but it seems like Schiff in particular might be the problem here. He seems to have fallen out of favor with investors or something because his last few proposals around town have fallen through. I'd say you're on track...
September 8, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, wpcc88 said: This is just pure speculation but it seems like Schiff in particular might be the problem here. He seems to have fallen out of favor with investors or something because his last few proposals around town have fallen through. Just from my limited insight and connections, the issue is Schiff.
September 8, 20231 yr 17 minutes ago, clippersandyank said: Just from my limited insight and connections, the issue is Schiff. So chances of anything coming to the main bar sight are probably 1%??
September 8, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, VintageLife said: So chances of anything coming to the main bar sight are probably 1%?? Damn it. *sigh*
September 8, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, VintageLife said: So chances of anything coming to the main bar sight are probably 1%?? I think the chances there have always been slim, but that's not Mike Schiff, but his brother Scott. Their development entities are not related as far as I know There's often a similar confusion between Arshot and other Schottenstein-family companies as well
September 8, 20231 yr 48 minutes ago, NW24HX said: I think the chances there have always been slim, but that's not Mike Schiff, but his brother Scott. Their development entities are not related as far as I know There's often a similar confusion between Arshot and other Schottenstein-family companies as well I’m just hoping they sell it to whatever company was interesting in doing the project with them. Need more outside developers and that would be a great project for an outside developer.
September 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, clippersandyank said: Just from my limited insight and connections, the issue is Schiff. People asked to invest have balked at the project's insane cost. The proforma just doesn't check out.
September 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: People asked to invest have balked at the project's insane cost. The proforma just doesn't check out. This is kind of what I’ve figured but it’s still kind of shocking for our market. I think outsiders are still hesitant to invest here for whatever reason. Just looking at us from the outside we have world class healthcare, a world class research university, a state capital, reasonable cost of living, everything but water from a logistical standpoint and several Fortune 500/1000 companies based or with a significant presence. Something just doesn’t add up. My own employer treats us like a redheaded step child as well and for our business it makes zero sense.
September 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: People asked to invest have balked at the project's insane cost. The proforma just doesn't check out. So what your saying is that the building needs to be about 10-15 stories to make it plausible haha??
September 8, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: This is kind of what I’ve figured but it’s still kind of shocking for our market. I think outsiders are still hesitant to invest here for whatever reason. Just looking at us from the outside we have world class healthcare, a world class research university, a state capital, reasonable cost of living, everything but water from a logistical standpoint and several Fortune 500/1000 companies based or with a significant presence. Something just doesn’t add up. My own employer treats us like a redheaded step child as well and for our business it makes zero sense. Also a city that has never had a negative population decline. I know that’s happened other places, but is pretty impressive
September 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: People asked to invest have balked at the project's insane cost. The proforma just doesn't check out. Meaning construction costs are high, financing costs are high and projected rents aren't high enough.
September 8, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: This is kind of what I’ve figured but it’s still kind of shocking for our market. I think outsiders are still hesitant to invest here for whatever reason. Just looking at us from the outside we have world class healthcare, a world class research university, a state capital, reasonable cost of living, everything but water from a logistical standpoint and several Fortune 500/1000 companies based or with a significant presence. Something just doesn’t add up. My own employer treats us like a redheaded step child as well and for our business it makes zero sense. Columbus has the ability to attract outside institutional investors into the industrial sector, somewhat into the retail sector, but rarely for the multi-family and office sectors. Our multifamily rents specifically aren't high enough to attract the big developer's because they likely can't cover costs and the returns aren't there. E.g., Chicago rents are easily over $4/SF, but Columbus rents are $2/SF.
September 8, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, VintageLife said: So chances of anything coming to the main bar sight are probably 1%?? So the City shouldn't have let them tear it down without an actual plan in place? Huh, who'd have figured that.
September 12, 20231 yr On 9/8/2023 at 6:40 PM, jonoh81 said: So the City shouldn't have let them tear it down without an actual plan in place? Huh, who'd have figured that. He should get rid of it and let someone else make something of such a prime location. Is Schiff the new Schottenstein?
October 13, 20231 yr High Line Car House owners acquire neighboring Brewery District building Founder and CEO Angela Petro said the long-term vision is to unite those buildings as part of an “event campus." But she's in no rush to do that at the moment. “We bought it fully expecting to renovate and tie it into the High Line,” she said. “But the environment is not awesome right now. Interest rates are up. We already own it so we’re going to wait and revisit the plans in the future.” The building is currently home to Columbus Axe Throwing and Jasmine Fusion Grill. It has been several bars or restaurants in the past, including Barrister Hall and Three Sheets. It’s three floors, 6,300 square feet total, or 2,100 square feet per floor. Petro said the eventual plan is to use all three floors, but she's waiting at least another 18 months before going back to that expansion.
October 24, 20231 yr 38 minutes ago, NightNectar said: Build it yesterday. Looks great. Same feeling, this project is taking so damn long and it seems like it’s for no reason.
October 24, 20231 yr Is there any ground floor retail for this project? If not, that is a huge miss in my opinion.
October 24, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, 614love said: Is there any ground floor retail for this project? If not, that is a huge miss in my opinion. I don’t think it has any, and I agree with you. It should at least have a little corner shop. With how s**tty that area commission has been, I doubt they would ever approve ground floor retail.
October 24, 20231 yr 10 hours ago, VintageLife said: With how s**tty that area commission has been, I doubt they would ever approve ground floor retail. Genuinely asking, what has the Brewery District Commission been s**tty about? I can't think of anything specific off the top of my head, mainly because there really haven't been that many projects proposed within their boundary. As much as I wish it were different, the area is not exactly a hotbed of development compared to Downtown, the Short North, or Campus Schiff's project died mainly because of Schiff, and the fact that it never penciled out to begin with let alone once interest rates started rising The Livingston Avenue hotel project died because of the intransigence of the German Village Commission, which otherwise does an excellent job with the historic core of that neighborhood IMO. If the city redrew the boundaries by one block and added that parcel to the Brewery District instead I honestly have no doubt it would have been approved Edited October 24, 20231 yr by NW24HX
October 24, 20231 yr 13 minutes ago, NW24HX said: Genuinely asking, what has the Brewery District Commission been s**tty about? I can't think of anything specific off the top of my head, mainly because there really haven't been that many projects proposed within their boundary. As much as I wish it were different, the area is not exactly a hotbed of development compared to Downtown, the Short North, or Campus Schiff's project died mainly because of Schiff, and the fact that it never penciled out to begin with let alone once interest rates started rising The Livingston Avenue hotel project died because of the intransigence of the German Village Commission, which otherwise does an excellent job with the historic core of that neighborhood IMO. If the city redrew the boundaries by one block and added that parcel to the Brewery District instead I honestly have no doubt it would have been approved I mostly meant with this project. I’ve been reading the reviews from each meeting and it seems like they have been very very nitpicking about everything, which I do get. It just seems the protect hasn’t really changed for a year but it still isn't good enough. I have barely seen anything change in months but it’s still held up.
November 2, 20231 yr Someone just posted this on Facebook and it’s sad that the building changed from a renovation pretty close to this and is now sitting stalled it seems. Hopefully it kicks back up and they switch back to the regular design or sell it, so someone can finish it off. original building: original renovation design:
November 2, 20231 yr 14 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Someone just posted this on Facebook and it’s sad that the building changed from a renovation pretty close to this and is now sitting stalled it seems. Hopefully it kicks back up and they switch back to the regular design or sell it, so someone can finish it off. original building: original renovation design: Labor prices have skyrocketed and this is very, very skilled labor. I think they're just waiting it out.
November 2, 20231 yr Maybe we will get lucky and the original tower concept will come back into play! If they can wait prices out long enough to also have increased demand, it could happen. Maybe I am a forever dreamer.
November 2, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, columbus17 said: Labor prices have skyrocketed and this is very, very skilled labor. I think they're just waiting it out. You should try and find out ha
November 3, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, columbus17 said: Labor prices have skyrocketed and this is very, very skilled labor. I think they're just waiting it out. This… in all facets and a majority of it is thanks to the Amazon, Google and Metas of the world
November 4, 20231 yr 22 hours ago, wpcc88 said: This… in all facets and a majority of it is thanks to the Amazon, Google and Metas of the world I'm lost on this one? Tech giants on the west coast with minimal local presence are driving up skilled construction labor costs? If we're talking general labor, they've collectively laid off 50,000 people this year? They a'e building data centers locally, but those are just big warehouses that basically come pre-fab and I wouldn't think would overlap with the labor force doing historic restoration of masonry buildings?
November 4, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, 17thState said: I'm lost on this one? Tech giants on the west coast with minimal local presence are driving up skilled construction labor costs? If we're talking general labor, they've collectively laid off 50,000 people this year? They a'e building data centers locally, but those are just big warehouses that basically come pre-fab and I wouldn't think would overlap with the labor force doing historic restoration of masonry buildings? They and other development have driven up the cost of skilled labor in general. That’s not from my mouth, talk to any construction company in any trade. It’s effecting all construction because we are in general short on labor and they’ve increased wages since moving in. And the data centers are much, much more complicated than that and require a ton of different trades. They’re very labor intensive to build.
December 1, 20231 yr Brewery District Commission Getting Folded Into Different Board The City of Columbus has begun a process that will result in the Brewery District Commission being incorporated into the Historic Resources Commission (HRC). What that means in practice is that applications for new development or exterior changes to existing buildings within the Brewery District boundaries will be heard by the HRC, and that the Brewery District Commission will likely hold its last meeting in January. The HRC will also grow by two members, each of which will move over from the existing Brewery District board.
January 10, 20241 yr Project Update: Jones Heel Historic Shoe Factory Site Work is tentatively scheduled to start later this year on the redevelopment of the former Jones Heel shoe factory site; a collection of vacant historic buildings at the northwest corner of Front and Whittier Streets in the Brewery District. The project was first brought before the Brewery District Commission in 2021, when representatives of the Stonehenge Company presented an initial concept that called for demolishing the former warehouse building located at 841 S. Front St. (a one-story building with the painted “Jones Heel Mfg. Co.” sign still visible on its brick exterior), and replacing it with a new building that would hold parking and about 100 apartments. That idea didn’t go over so well with the commission, and a new plan was submitted in early 2022 that called for preserving most of the walls and foundation of the warehouse building and constructing the new apartments on top it. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/project-update-jones-heel-historic-shoe-factory-site-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 23, 20241 yr Whittier Peninsula: Path Planned for Bridge, Work to Start This Year on Development Change is coming to the Whittier Peninsula. Work is scheduled to start this year on a long-planned apartment development, and City Council last night approved funding for a $3.4 million project that will add a bike and pedestrian path to the Whittier Street Bridge. The bridge crosses over two sets of railroads tracks and provides access to the Scioto Audubon Metro Park from the Brewery District. It currently has two lanes for cars and a narrow sidewalk – the new plan would widen the sidewalk into a ten-foot-wide shares use path, which would extend from Front Street to the beginning of the park’s path network and the Scioto Trail. Work on the bridge could start as soon as February, according to the legislation. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/whittier-peninsula-path-planned-for-bridge-work-to-start-on-development-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 23, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: Whittier Peninsula: Path Planned for Bridge, Work to Start This Year on Development Change is coming to the Whittier Peninsula. Work is scheduled to start this year on a long-planned apartment development, and City Council last night approved funding for a $3.4 million project that will add a bike and pedestrian path to the Whittier Street Bridge. The bridge crosses over two sets of railroads tracks and provides access to the Scioto Audubon Metro Park from the Brewery District. It currently has two lanes for cars and a narrow sidewalk – the new plan would widen the sidewalk into a ten-foot-wide shares use path, which would extend from Front Street to the beginning of the park’s path network and the Scioto Trail. Work on the bridge could start as soon as February, according to the legislation. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/whittier-peninsula-path-planned-for-bridge-work-to-start-on-development-bw1/ Fantastic news for our bike riders in Columbus. Great step.
January 23, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: If we could have quietly lost those apartments... boo. Yeah that’s what I was hoping
January 24, 20241 yr "Three seven-story buildings" I don't see any surface parking in the rendered site plan on CU - do we know if they're planning to incorporate all parking into the three structures?
January 24, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said: "Three seven-story buildings" I don't see any surface parking in the rendered site plan on CU - do we know if they're planning to incorporate all parking into the three structures? I believe the lower levels are parking. If I remember correctly there is no retail component to this project.
January 24, 20241 yr Parking is below the apartment units. Most likely typical platform build with parking instead of retail. Ground level amenities and such are limited here because it is still a designated flood plain. (Edit. So any development here is going to struggle with that. It's not a flaw specific to this developer or plan) Edited January 24, 20241 yr by DTCL11
January 24, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, DTCL11 said: If we could have quietly lost those apartments... boo. Never been a bigger bait and switch project than this. Massive high-rise project to low-density, terribly-designed suburbia. Edited January 24, 20241 yr by jonoh81
January 24, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, jonoh81 said: Never been a bigger bait and switch project than this. Massive high-rise project to low-density, terribly-designed suburbia. I wonder if part of the redesign was the metro parks objection and the overall negative reaction by the public?
January 24, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, VintageLife said: I wonder if part of the redesign was the metro parks objection and the overall negative reaction by the public? Since it wasn't taking up any metro park land, any objections were misguided at best, and ultimately I don't think that's what caused the change.
January 24, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, VintageLife said: I wonder if part of the redesign was the metro parks objection and the overall negative reaction by the public? I agree with JonOh I doubt that had much effect. You don't go from one to the other like that over non binding reaction. You throw out the pie in the sky concept you didn't have the fund to do to begin with to attract investors and tenants to make it work and then you wait or throw up what's cheap and easy... see Millenial Tower for similar approach but different results.
January 24, 20241 yr It might have been reduced in size simply due to cost overruns. They might have encountered geotech issues with the foundation design (it is in the floodplain) that made a taller building cost prohibitive. We just don't know. I personally think the site should be part of the park.
January 31, 20241 yr Anyone have insight on the below? Was reviewing the Historic District Commission agenda and saw this. It’s the building at 528 Maier Place, right next to the new Nocterra. Roto, the group who submitted this, is a design and developer for immersive experiences (like museums, aquariums, and zoos). The owner worked for COSI for quite some time.
January 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, smjjms said: Anyone have insight on the below? Was reviewing the Historic District Commission agenda and saw this. It’s the building at 528 Maier Place, right next to the new Nocterra. Roto, the group who submitted this, is a design and developer for immersive experiences (like museums, aquariums, and zoos). The owner worked for COSI for quite some time. The downtown otherworld????
January 31, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, columbus17 said: The downtown otherworld???? The colors kind of match up, I think that spade would be better than their current one, but I feel there had to have been better options, that area is still off the beaten path and isn’t super easy to get to. either way I’m pretty excited to see what it could be.
January 31, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, columbus17 said: The downtown otherworld???? Actually looking at the files, that space is actually smaller than their current location, so I doubt they would move to it. The reason they wanted to move was so they had more room. I would love to see them build a new build down where The Fort is that is 2 stories. There is a lot of empty land down there still.
January 31, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Actually looking at the files, that space is actually smaller than their current location, so I doubt they would move to it. The reason they wanted to move was so they had more room. I would love to see them build a new build down where The Fort is that is 2 stories. There is a lot of empty land down there still. Which numbers are you looking at? The entire Whittier building looks to be about 200,000 SF, so even if Otherworld took only a fraction of that it could still easily be larger than their current space, which is only 32,000 sf according to otherworld.com/main/about Edited January 31, 20241 yr by NW24HX
January 31, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, NW24HX said: Which numbers are you looking at? The entire Whittier building looks to be about 200,000 SF, so even if Otherworld took only a fraction of that it could still easily be larger than their current space, which is only 32,000 sf according to otherworld.com/main/about I’m looking at this slide, they are only taking a portion of the building. There are businesses on either side. i guess they could be doing a split location, and keeping the other one, but they said they wanted to own their building.
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