January 26, 20232 yr In a great surprise, the local media is heavily focused on the displacement of a bar more than anything else. *yawn* Sorry. Just a bit that's annoyed me every time I open the new websites.
January 26, 20232 yr 18 hours ago, VintageLife said: I just hope the building on the other side of W ninth never gets torn down. That’s a nice old build. Also I curious if Buckeye real estate will ever redo their main location. It’s behind the old corner apartment building and looks like a decent sized lot That building was just rehabbed in the past couple years so it should be safe!
January 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, DTCL11 said: In a great surprise, the local media is heavily focused on the displacement of a bar more than anything else. *yawn* Sorry. Just a bit that's annoyed me every time I open the new websites. That’s been annoying to me too. I def think both of the proposals could be improved, but focusing on preserving single story, single use dive bars over hundreds of housing units is obnoxious.
January 26, 20232 yr Couldn't they just...put...the...dive...bar...in...the...new...building? Or is that, uh, asking too much? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 26, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, ColDayMan said: Couldn't they just...put...the...dive...bar...in...the...new...building? Or is that, uh, asking too much? Rent is probably way higher and maybe the owners are not interested in continuing the bar and are happy to retire haha. People seem to never mention that stuff when they throw fits. I get these places have been around a long time, but maybe the owners are done and were able to cash out, so they can enjoy their life.
January 26, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, VintageLife said: People seem to never mention that stuff when they throw fits. I get these places have been around a long time, but maybe the owners are done and were able to cash out, so they can enjoy their life. Yeah, the fact that the owners of the 'stube have been conspicuously mum on all their public platforms and not responding to any requests for comment for any of these articles strikes me that a business decision has been made and that they're ready to put their feet up on a beach somewhere.
January 26, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Rent is probably way higher and maybe the owners are not interested in continuing the bar and are happy to retire haha. People seem to never mention that stuff when they throw fits. I get these places have been around a long time, but maybe the owners are done and were able to cash out, so they can enjoy their life. That's literally a lot of peoples life goal! Run a successful business and eventually cash out. Peoples first reaction to these things closing down is always "how dare they!" without considering that the business likely has a huge say in that decision. It's not like some random person is just wandering around the city and deciding buildings/land people own are going to be new apartments. They kinda have to get people to sell them the land first!
January 26, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, TIm said: That's literally a lot of peoples life goal! Run a successful business and eventually cash out. Peoples first reaction to these things closing down is always "how dare they!" without considering that the business likely has a huge say in that decision. It's not like some random person is just wandering around the city and deciding buildings/land people own are going to be new apartments. They kinda have to get people to sell them the land first! Eminent domain is a real thing, and people claim that is how every business on campus was closed, but reality is, many of these people probably enjoyed being able to sell a family business after years and years of brutal hard work. Maybe they don’t have family that wants to take it over and I’m sure developers offer more money than someone else who would continue it on.
January 26, 20232 yr 36 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Rent is probably way higher and maybe the owners are not interested in continuing the bar and are happy to retire haha. People seem to never mention that stuff when they throw fits. I get these places have been around a long time, but maybe the owners are done and were able to cash out, so they can enjoy their life. Not to mention most of the people throwing fits haven’t even been to these bars in years, if it all lol
January 26, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, amped91 said: Not to mention most of the people throwing fits haven’t even been to these bars in years, if it all lol With the 'stube closing, I've now lost both my undergrad bar (RIP the 'zig) and my grad school bar. So I get the nostalgia about losing it and I can empathize with the people making one last trip. But someone having a home is far more important than the feelings I have for s**tty dive bars I've poured myself in and out of throughout my life.
January 26, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Eminent domain is a real thing, and people claim that is how every business on campus was closed, but reality is, many of these people probably enjoyed being able to sell a family business after years and years of brutal hard work. Maybe they don’t have family that wants to take it over and I’m sure developers offer more money than someone else who would continue it on. I mean if eminent domain was being enacted for any of these types of developments we certainly would have heard about it. Not very typical for private developments either. Those types of things don't slip through the cracks, they really piss people off. Eminent domain is intended to get land back for public use or projects that support the public, not for private development but it has been abused before.
January 26, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Couldn't they just...put...the...dive...bar...in...the...new...building? Or is that, uh, asking too much? They could, but unfortunately as proposed this new building would have zero retail space. I certainly hope the university commissions will push back strongly on that
January 26, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, NW24HX said: They could, but unfortunately as proposed this new building would have zero retail space. I certainly hope the university commissions will push back strongly on that 20 minutes ago, NW24HX said: They could, but unfortunately as proposed this new building would have zero retail space. I certainly hope the university commissions will push back strongly on that I think they already changed that. The CU article says this: Plans submitted to the city show first floor storefronts along High Street in the proposed building labelled as “amenity space,” and a ground-level parking garage. edit: never mind, amenity spade is probably just for the apartment people. That would be a horrible idea for a dense walkable area. Edited January 26, 20232 yr by VintageLife
January 26, 20232 yr Just now, VintageLife said: I think they already changed that. The CU article says this: Plans submitted to the city show first floor storefronts along High Street in the proposed building labelled as “amenity space,” and a ground-level parking garage. I hope you're right, but I read that statement as they are installing a storefront glazing system (aka commercial windows), but it will be amenity space for the building (think exercise room, leasing office - which is essentially dead space from the public and street) and not leasable retail
January 27, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, NW24HX said: They could, but unfortunately as proposed this new building would have zero retail space. I certainly hope the university commissions will push back strongly on that Yeah, I think it was city staff that said they would support more height for this building if the developer would include first floor retail and historic preservation.
January 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, amped91 said: Yeah, I think it was city staff that said they would support more height for this building if the developer would include first floor retail and historic preservation. It is a pretty stupid option to close down 4 different business and replace it wity nothing. Buckeye real estate is trash, so it isn’t a shock
January 27, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, VintageLife said: It is a pretty stupid option to close down 4 different business and replace it wity nothing. Buckeye real estate is trash, so it isn’t a shock 5 businesses, there's a karaoke bar in the 1 story back portion of the Yau's building https://goo.gl/maps/gnHvYSjUsGjKAoqU7
January 27, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, NW24HX said: 5 businesses, there's a karaoke bar in the 1 story back portion of the Yau's building https://goo.gl/maps/gnHvYSjUsGjKAoqU7 I will be curious what the commission says about it, hopefully they aren’t idiots and just push it through, without pushing for at least 2 retail spaces.
January 28, 20232 yr Just watched the video of the meeting and commission was heavily against the development as is. They were very upset about there being no ground floor retail space of any kind. They said they would be okay with a parking variance if it meant activating the ground floor, with public usage. listened to a bit of the presentation about the little bar project and it sounded like it will be reduced to 5 stories now, so they don’t need a height variance. I’ll have to watch it tomorrow and listen to that part again.
January 28, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, VintageLife said: listened to a bit of the presentation about the little bar project and it sounded like it will be reduced to 5 stories now, so they don’t need a height variance. I’ll have to watch it tomorrow and listen to that part again. Glad we’re going to get the worst possible version of this project, thanks to the commission!
January 29, 20232 yr On 1/28/2023 at 1:14 AM, VintageLife said: Just watched the video of the meeting and commission was heavily against the development as is. They were very upset about there being no ground floor retail space of any kind. They said they would be okay with a parking variance if it meant activating the ground floor, with public usage. listened to a bit of the presentation about the little bar project and it sounded like it will be reduced to 5 stories now, so they don’t need a height variance. I’ll have to watch it tomorrow and listen to that part again. Maybe this is a new tactic from developers to get things approved? Make something that's super obviously terrible about the development, like lack of ground floor retail on a street with an insane amount of foot traffic, and they'll ignore how tall it is. Get them riled up about something else, the developer can change it and then these folks can pat themselves on the back for their "contribution" to the project.
January 30, 20232 yr Arts District is nearly complete. The Timashev Family Music Building opened last March. The rest is on track for March of this year. Timashev is on the right here. In the distance you see the Wellington on High. Interior photos here: https://buildingthefuture.osu.edu/news/2023/01/26/slideshow-arts-district
January 30, 20232 yr Ohio State-area projects that would tear down Bier Stube, Little Bar face review board pushback On the High and 9th project: “The University Impact District Review Board offered negative feedback about the building's design during its Jan. 26 conceptual review, noting that it did not include ground-floor retail. The board also had questions about preserving the existing structures on the site. In addition to the Bier Stube, the 1479 N. Hight St. project would also tear down a convenience store and Chinese restaurant. Since the review was conceptual, no action was taken at the meeting. Justin Garland, vice president of business development for Buckeye, said the firm plans to return for the board's February meeting. "We heard the comments from the public and the board and we're working to come up with something more amicable for everyone," Garland told me, which could include a deal in which the Bier Stube remains open or moves.” And High and Lane: ”American Campus Communities now plans to take that six-story building down to five stories, but hadn't changed the renderings when it presented to the University Impact District Review Board meeting last week. The developer asked the board to rezone the site, but that action was tabled because the drawings didn't reflect the newest proposal. American Campus Communities plans to return to the area commission with a shorter building next month, said Jeff Brown, a representative for the applicant.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/01/30/9th-and-high-street-apartments.html
February 1, 20232 yr The NBC report is generally full of a bunch of bull from both sides but this is particularly laughable from Buckeye: "Justin Garland, vice president of business development at Buckeye Real Estate, told the board the urgent need for dense housing in the University District necessitates a waiver of the business space development requirement." WUT? Other highlights:: Students want more transparency on rental prices before approving it... again, wut? Can't preserve any historic structures because of parking... ok, dude Board won't approve anything modern atop the historic structures... not an earthquake, just my eyes rolling. Board verbally suggests things similar to King and High... but no modern adornments allowed? Students worry about pushing out immigrants owned businesses... Board expresses hesitation to approve something students don't support... Of course, the primary focus of the businesses facing displacement is the bars. https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus/proposals-to-tear-down-bier-stube-little-bar-near-ohio-state-sent-back-to-drawing-board/
February 1, 20232 yr The alarmist language from WCMH is laughable. Campus bar “under threat.” Sure, Jan… Saying parking is preventing preserving the corner brick building is dumb too. And these two committees constantly wanting to have it both ways. Guarantee had the original proposal had all ground floor retail and the corner preserved with an eight story building, they would’ve been just as opposed to it, this time saying it’s too high 🙄
February 1, 20232 yr Bingo. It's all a bunch of circular talk from these committees giving developers the run around. They'll sell it as being varying opinions on the committee but the point is to work together to make it hard on developers. They could almost scale and copy King and High and it would be perfect. But I also like that Buckeye wants to say they're trying to keep rents down when we all know they'll still charge market rate while trying to get away with the cheapest build they can.
February 1, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The NBC report is generally full of a bunch of bull from both sides but this is particularly laughable from Buckeye: "Justin Garland, vice president of business development at Buckeye Real Estate, told the board the urgent need for dense housing in the University District necessitates a waiver of the business space development requirement." WUT? Other highlights:: Students want more transparency on rental prices before approving it... again, wut? Can't preserve any historic structures because of parking... ok, dude Board won't approve anything modern atop the historic structures... not an earthquake, just my eyes rolling. Board verbally suggests things similar to King and High... but no modern adornments allowed? Students worry about pushing out immigrants owned businesses... Board expresses hesitation to approve something students don't support... Of course, the primary focus of the businesses facing displacement is the bars. https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus/proposals-to-tear-down-bier-stube-little-bar-near-ohio-state-sent-back-to-drawing-board/ The commission did say they were open to less parking if it meant retail along high. They also said it wasn’t necessarily about saving the building itself, but about adding in detail from the building into the new build. I just think they probably haven’t had a lot of students come out against a development before, and it spun them. I’m all for it, there is no reason they can’t make it look good, Buckeye owns so many damn properties and they aren’t hurting for money. Justin was being a condescending d**k during the presentation also, so that probably didn’t help buckeyes case at all. I wish the commission would have just said, we don’t care about parking, build something good.
February 1, 20232 yr Quote Even with the recommendations, some board members expressed they were hesitant to approve a project already proven to be unpopular among developers’ target demographic. LOL! Their target demographic is not poor students who complain at commission meetings. If these commissioners truly believe these won't lease out as soon as available like all the other student housing in the area, they really are clueless and detrimental to the neighborhood. These "expensive" (it's all relative) units remove users willing to pay those prices from cheaper places elsewhere; freeing those up to others e.g. the students complaining here. BTW, student/renter NIMBYs. We really are a big city now!
February 2, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, aderwent said: LOL! Their target demographic is not poor students who complain at commission meetings. If these commissioners truly believe these won't lease out as soon as available like all the other student housing in the area, they really are clueless and detrimental to the neighborhood. These "expensive" (it's all relative) units remove users willing to pay those prices from cheaper places elsewhere; freeing those up to others e.g. the students complaining here. BTW, student/renter NIMBYs. We really are a big city now! Exactly. There will be plenty of students who will be willing to pay a premium to live in a new modern building literally feet away from where they need to be 5 days a week. Those wonky 100 year old duplexes that 11 people live in will be freed up for someone else to live in.
February 6, 20232 yr On 1/26/2023 at 12:44 PM, ColDayMan said: Couldn't they just...put...the...dive...bar...in...the...new...building? Or is that, uh, asking too much? Can't Columbus have one thing authentic, or does that go against it's vibe?
February 6, 20232 yr On 1/26/2023 at 12:52 PM, atothek said: Yeah, the fact that the owners of the 'stube have been conspicuously mum on all their public platforms and not responding to any requests for comment for any of these articles strikes me that a business decision has been made and that they're ready to put their feet up on a beach somewhere. The owners went through hell when Campus Partners and the city wanted their second property, The Cornerstone, back in the day. They learned some lessons
February 7, 20232 yr Drake Demolition, Trail Detour Planned as Part of Cannon Drive Project Work has started on the second phase of the Cannon Drive relocation project on Ohio State’s campus, and is scheduled to continue for nearly two years. The street will be raised and realigned between Herrick Drive and Woody Hayes Drive in several stages, impacting drivers, pedestrians and users of the Olentangy Trail. The Drake Performance and Event Center – home to OSU’s Department of Theatre, Film, and Media Arts for over 50 years – will be demolished as part of the project. The department will move to a new building at the corner of College Drive and 18th Avenue, part of OSU’s new Arts District. A Farewell to Drake Celebration event is planned for April 21. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/drake-demolition-trail-detour-planned-as-part-of-cannon-drive-project-bw1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 7, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: Drake Demolition, Trail Detour Planned as Part of Cannon Drive Project Work has started on the second phase of the Cannon Drive relocation project on Ohio State’s campus, and is scheduled to continue for nearly two years. The street will be raised and realigned between Herrick Drive and Woody Hayes Drive in several stages, impacting drivers, pedestrians and users of the Olentangy Trail. The Drake Performance and Event Center – home to OSU’s Department of Theatre, Film, and Media Arts for over 50 years – will be demolished as part of the project. The department will move to a new building at the corner of College Drive and 18th Avenue, part of OSU’s new Arts District. A Farewell to Drake Celebration event is planned for April 21. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/drake-demolition-trail-detour-planned-as-part-of-cannon-drive-project-bw1/ Such a better use of the land along the river. A 30 story tower would also look awesome in between the two towers. Edited February 7, 20232 yr by VintageLife
February 7, 20232 yr I don't know, when I first went to OSU, Drake was heavily used as a 2nd student union. The Towers had twice the residents then - 16 students per suite. You had to go somewhere to get away from your roommates! I didn't live in the towers but it was nice to sit in Drake and study with a view of the river. I think Drake started to go downhill when the number of students was halved at the towers. It never was an architectural showpiece (neither are the towers) but it served it's purpose.
February 8, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Shared bedrooms have really fallen out of fashion. Part of the gravity 2.0 apartments are shared living. I am curious to see how those rent out. I think people fresh out of college, or groups of friends, wouldn’t mind it.
February 8, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Part of the gravity 2.0 apartments are shared living. I am curious to see how those rent out. I think people fresh out of college, or groups of friends, wouldn’t mind it. Sorta like a dressed up SRO. It could be a good way to create more affordable housing, so I hope the Gravity shared living does well.
February 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, columbus17 said: The towers need to go next! They should stay, but get an extensive remodel on the outside.
February 8, 20232 yr Second verse, same as the first. It looks like the taller building is back up to 8 floors with the changes the developer made? REVISED PLAN FOR LITTLE BAR, UNIVERSITY BAPTIST CHURCH LOT PASSES ZONING COMMITTEE VOTE “The fate of The Little Bar and University Baptist Church lots is still undecided, following a vote by the University Area Commission Zoning Committee Monday night. The plan for the lots, proposed by a Texas-based student housing development company, American Campus Communities, passed a 5-2 vote by the committee and will now be put to vote by the entire commission. The vote comes after the previous plan, which raised concerns with parking and the building height on the corner of Norwich Avenue and North High Street, failed to pass a vote by the full commission Jan. 18. The updated proposal will now go before the full commission again at a date to be determined before potentially being recommended to the Columbus City Council. To accommodate these changes, the Lane Avenue height was proposed to be raised to 100 feet and would house the parking garage for the development.” https://www.thelantern.com/2023/02/revised-plan-for-little-bar-university-baptist-church-lot-passes-zoning-committee-vote/
February 8, 20232 yr I can't believe I'm going to say this but I long for the NRI brick instead of that. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 8, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: I can't believe I'm going to say this but I long for the NRI brick instead of that. NRI may overdo brick, but at least they tend to do a half decent job with it.
February 8, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: I can't believe I'm going to say this but I long for the NRI brick instead of that. Eh, I would still want this over NRI, unless it was an nri building of the same height.
February 8, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Eh, I would still want this over NRI, unless it was an nri building of the same height. Yeah, fair. I meant the quality like what cbussoccer was stating. What I really want is one of those HUB buildings that other Big 10 cities have but alas... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 8, 20232 yr 18 Stories in Columbus's University District?! You MONSTER! NOT OVER MY DEAD BODY. We only put parking lots over dead bodies in THIS town!
February 8, 20232 yr On 2/7/2023 at 4:17 PM, ColDayMan said: Drake Demolition, Trail Detour Planned as Part of Cannon Drive Project Work has started on the second phase of the Cannon Drive relocation project on Ohio State’s campus, and is scheduled to continue for nearly two years. The street will be raised and realigned between Herrick Drive and Woody Hayes Drive in several stages, impacting drivers, pedestrians and users of the Olentangy Trail. The Drake Performance and Event Center – home to OSU’s Department of Theatre, Film, and Media Arts for over 50 years – will be demolished as part of the project. The department will move to a new building at the corner of College Drive and 18th Avenue, part of OSU’s new Arts District. A Farewell to Drake Celebration event is planned for April 21. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/drake-demolition-trail-detour-planned-as-part-of-cannon-drive-project-bw1/ I'd really like the university to try to find a way to activate the greenspace along the river which will be enhanced with this project. As it stands now, basically no students go to the riverfront unless they're passing by on the trail. It also feels oddly disconnected from campus despite being right there - for example, there's no access point from the Shoe which seems crazy. I wish this area could turn into OSU's version of Scioto Mile but I imagine it'll end up just being a prettier, but rather dead, green space. As for the Little Bar project, I actually really like the design. I find it hilarious that the commission seemed to not like the design considering how insanely similar it is to the new North Campus dorms. It would fit in well, and I like the use of that color of brick for that stretch of High Street. It matches the historic buildings on that stretch pretty well I think. Also, I really wish I could've made it to that committee meeting... I was cringing so hard watching my friends show up to crusade for the preservation of a mediocre drinking establishment!
February 8, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Dblcut3 said: I'd really like the university to try to find a way to activate the greenspace along the river which will be enhanced with this project. As it stands now, basically no students go to the riverfront unless they're passing by on the trail. It also feels oddly disconnected from campus despite being right there - for example, there's no access point from the Shoe which seems crazy. I wish this area could turn into OSU's version of Scioto Mile but I imagine it'll end up just being a prettier, but rather dead, green space. I think alot of that has to do with the fact that the earthen levee that exists and will continue to exist for a large portion of it, particularly by the Shoe. Perhaps some development on the levy by the shoe with views of the river might be appropriate. More specifically, I think something across from the towers in place of Drake makes the most sense. The other factor is the dam removal projects of the early 10s (and to some extent, this project) were intended for restoration of the river which has been amazing so developing anything along the lines of the Scioto Mile/Greenway with more direct access to the river itself would be counterintuitive to those goals. Perhaps a boardwalk system might be a nice touch further south but we won't likely see anything along the lines you're thinking. OSU is also unlikely to invest heavily into anything more than modest access in the flood plane further south by the bed center. I think I'm ok with it not having the same type of riverfront development if it means a proper restoration. I cant recall but is the substation going to be relocated? I think that would be a missed opportunity if not. Edit: the CU image seems to show some sort of hardscaping the others don't in line with a plaza across from the towers. Would be really cool to see a land bridge that connects the entrance level of the towers, covers the parking and provides a significant connection. Of course, that all depends on the true long term vision for the towers. Edited February 9, 20232 yr by DTCL11
February 10, 20232 yr Another article lamenting the loss of a campus dive bar. https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2023/02/10/ohio-state-university-district-change-erupt-in-bier-stube-debate/69876300007/ Quote It will be absolutely the saddest day of my life if this place closes A dive bar closing will be the saddest day of your life? How privileged you must be. Quote I think OSU is losing its personality. You see these high-end, high-rise apartments no one can afford. There’s just no personality left to the campus. No one can afford them, but developers keep building them. Interesting business plan. I love measuring my campus's personality by dive bars. Quote There really aren’t that many bars left in the campus district. Now people have to go to the Short North for bars and restaurants beyond fast food There are no dive bars left in the Short North. So obviously that's not what students are drawn toward. Also, the Short North may as well blend with the UD now. Easily accessible via transit and rideshare if not on foot/scooter/bike. The success of the Short North is what has drawn students, not the supposed decline of the UD.
February 10, 20232 yr I saw that article come up on my feed. I don’t think I even want to get my BP worked up by reading it. The UD is 100% better off with denser development and modern, safer buildings.
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