August 22, 20231 yr New Ohio State-area event space could be built between Midway and Ethyl & Tank The owners of Midway and Ethyl & Tank want to add new event space in between the two Ohio State University-area bars. A&R Creative will present plans to build a third event space in between Midway and Ethyl & Tank to the University Impact District Review Board on Thursday. The UIDRB is reviewing it on a conceptual basis, meaning no action will be taken. The proposed 7,000-square-foot event space would be constructed on the current parking lot between the two bars. Dubbed the Block at 13th, it would be designed with flexible seating and tables for different kinds of events. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/08/22/midway-ethyl-tank-high-street-bars-event-space.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 22, 20231 yr On 8/21/2023 at 2:31 PM, wpcc88 said: I don’t think a small tram solves any of Ohio State’s problems current or future. The campus is constantly under construction, for me I remember the med center being under some sort of construction dating back to the mid-90’s. As soon as it got built it would be out of use because it’s not as flexible on routes as busses are and I believe it’s really as simple as that for campus. The buses on campus are surprisingly efficient so I agree with that. On high street is where the real issue lies.
August 22, 20231 yr On 8/17/2023 at 10:43 AM, amped91 said: I think this is the first time renderings from this proposal have been released. From next week’s UIDRB meeting: This application was pulled from the meeting.
August 23, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, columbus17 said: The buses on campus are surprisingly efficient so I agree with that. On high street is where the real issue lies. Well then it would stop somewhere around 5th Ave… which probably could handle a light rail from High to Summit but then you’re clogging a main artery even further… tentatively it would connect to an existing track station via Lane.. run east on Lane to High, south to 5th and east to Summit, then onto downtown… then you have the station issue because there is virtually no room for them if this thing runs down the center of high street
August 25, 20231 yr New OSU Master Plan Calls for Street Changes, New Wave of Development Some of the proposed projects include: New dorm buildings on both the south and north sides of campus. Another round of construction on the Wexner Medical Center Campus. A collection of new buildings where St. John Arena now stands. A large new parking garage on Lane Avenue near SR-315. The continued development of Carmenton, the 270-acre district south of Lane Avenue and west of Kenny Road that was formerly known as the West Campus Innovation District (several new buildings have already been completed there). Plans for the renovation of existing buildings and new construction on just about every segment of campus, including the athletic campus, Waterman Farm, and land owned by OSU on the north side of Ackerman Road. https://columbusunderground.com/new-osu-master-plan-calls-for-street-changes-new-wave-of-development-bw1/
August 25, 20231 yr New OSU Master Plan Calls for Street Changes, New Wave of Development “Framework 3.0 establishes development capacity for the next 50 years and includes near- to mid-term projects that may be realized in the next five to 15 years,” said Jay Kasey, Ohio State’s Senior Vice President for the Office of Administration and Planning, in a statement. Some of the proposed projects include: New dorm buildings on both the south and north sides of campus. Another round of construction on the Wexner Medical Center Campus. A collection of new buildings where St. John Arena now stands. A large new parking garage on Lane Avenue near SR-315. The continued development of Carmenton, the 270-acre district south of Lane Avenue and west of Kenny Road that was formerly known as the West Campus Innovation District (several new buildings have already been completed there). Plans for the renovation of existing buildings and new construction on just about every segment of campus, including the athletic campus, Waterman Farm, and land owned by OSU on the north side of Ackerman Road. The plan also makes several transportation-related suggestions, including a redesigned Woody Hayes Boulevard between Kenny Road and Tuttle Park Place that would have dedicated bus lanes and a protected bike lane, as well as a new plan to close Neil Avenue north of Annie and John Glenn Avenue to car traffic, reserving it for pedestrians and bikes. more photos are at the end of the article.
August 25, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, aderwent said: New OSU Master Plan Calls for Street Changes, New Wave of Development Some of the proposed projects include: New dorm buildings on both the south and north sides of campus. Another round of construction on the Wexner Medical Center Campus. A collection of new buildings where St. John Arena now stands. A large new parking garage on Lane Avenue near SR-315. The continued development of Carmenton, the 270-acre district south of Lane Avenue and west of Kenny Road that was formerly known as the West Campus Innovation District (several new buildings have already been completed there). Plans for the renovation of existing buildings and new construction on just about every segment of campus, including the athletic campus, Waterman Farm, and land owned by OSU on the north side of Ackerman Road. https://columbusunderground.com/new-osu-master-plan-calls-for-street-changes-new-wave-of-development-bw1/ Hahaha, damnit just got my posted.
August 25, 20231 yr Maybe it's included in the full plan, but I would like to see a current map with proposed demolitions highlighted Demos appear to include both Lincoln and Morrill towers, St Johns Arena, French Field House, Denney Hall, the Law School, and many others
August 25, 20231 yr 24 minutes ago, NW24HX said: Maybe it's included in the full plan, but I would like to see a current map with proposed demolitions highlighted Demos appear to include both Lincoln and Morrill towers, St Johns Arena, French Field House, Denney Hall, the Law School, and many others Just looking east of the river, these are all the proposed demolitions I could find:
August 25, 20231 yr Not sure what necessarily makes this “new.” A lot of this minus the towers has been talked about/proposed for at least a decade. Moritz in particular was set to be replaced I believe about 8 years ago, don’t remember exactly why it hasn’t been yet. The St. John news has been officially unofficial for quite a while.
August 26, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, icheb42 said: Just looking east of the river, these are all the proposed demolitions I could find: They just build the SAS building about a decade ago it's not going anywhere.
August 26, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, VintageLife said: New OSU Master Plan Calls for Street Changes, New Wave of Development “Framework 3.0 establishes development capacity for the next 50 years and includes near- to mid-term projects that may be realized in the next five to 15 years,” said Jay Kasey, Ohio State’s Senior Vice President for the Office of Administration and Planning, in a statement. Some of the proposed projects include: New dorm buildings on both the south and north sides of campus. Another round of construction on the Wexner Medical Center Campus. A collection of new buildings where St. John Arena now stands. A large new parking garage on Lane Avenue near SR-315. The continued development of Carmenton, the 270-acre district south of Lane Avenue and west of Kenny Road that was formerly known as the West Campus Innovation District (several new buildings have already been completed there). Plans for the renovation of existing buildings and new construction on just about every segment of campus, including the athletic campus, Waterman Farm, and land owned by OSU on the north side of Ackerman Road. The plan also makes several transportation-related suggestions, including a redesigned Woody Hayes Boulevard between Kenny Road and Tuttle Park Place that would have dedicated bus lanes and a protected bike lane, as well as a new plan to close Neil Avenue north of Annie and John Glenn Avenue to car traffic, reserving it for pedestrians and bikes. more photos are at the end of the article. New medical tower on top of the garage I see...
August 28, 20231 yr On 8/25/2023 at 9:23 PM, columbus17 said: They just build the SAS building about a decade ago it's not going anywhere. It's not noted on the OSU map to be affected. The circle should be just around the north rec center immediately east of the SAS building.
August 30, 20231 yr Planned OSU-area event space between Midway, Ethyl & Tank criticized by review board A potential event space between two Ohio State-area bars hit a snag during a recent review board meeting. A&R Creative, the owners of Midway and Ethyl & Tank, want to add a two-story event space in between the two bars. A parking lot stands there today. The restaurant group presented plans to the University Impact District Review Board last week. The UIDRB reviewed the plan on a conceptual basis, meaning no action was taken, but the board feedback was negative. A&R will have to go back before the board for a certificate of appropriateness before building the space, which it's calling the Block at 13th. The venue's porposed rooftop space was the center of much of the negative feedback. Board members had concerns about noise complaints stemming from the existing bars and how a third bar would contribute. "The open-air rooftop gives me pause, because I think would make the noise worse," said Keoni Fleming, a board member.
August 30, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Planned OSU-area event space between Midway, Ethyl & Tank criticized by review board A potential event space between two Ohio State-area bars hit a snag during a recent review board meeting. A&R Creative, the owners of Midway and Ethyl & Tank, want to add a two-story event space in between the two bars. A parking lot stands there today. The restaurant group presented plans to the University Impact District Review Board last week. The UIDRB reviewed the plan on a conceptual basis, meaning no action was taken, but the board feedback was negative. A&R will have to go back before the board for a certificate of appropriateness before building the space, which it's calling the Block at 13th. The venue's porposed rooftop space was the center of much of the negative feedback. Board members had concerns about noise complaints stemming from the existing bars and how a third bar would contribute. "The open-air rooftop gives me pause, because I think would make the noise worse," said Keoni Fleming, a board member. The A&R team argued that there may be a misconception about how much noise is coming from the campus-area bars. A&R owner Ali Alshahal told the board "a lot of the perception is not as it seems." Board members disagreed. "I drove up High Street the first weekend back and saw the kids at Midway. We all know what an open air bar scene turns into in this neighborhood. And I think it's a little disingenuous to claim otherwise," Fleming said. "The track record has been that there's been loud events there and the sound carries. All I'm saying is give some consideration to your business model and to a design that mitigates acoustics. How do you make this work from a business standpoint and not overly burden neighbors?" The board suggested potentially enclosing the second floor. Still, board members were generally supportive of replacing the parking lot with a building. "No one's going to miss the parking lot," Fleming said. In the project proposal, A&R stated that the new space would serve to reduce outdoor crowding and mitigate noise during peak hours. The design will significantly reduce visual and sound perception by the neighborhood by putting a roof and walls around the parking lot that A&R uses to host “tailgate-style” events. A&R didn't respond to request for comment for this story. Alshahal at the meeting said his firm's goal is to elevate the space with this project. "We respect and appreciate these comments. We're going to make adjustments based on your comments," Alshahal said at the meeting. I lived across the street from Ethyl a few years ago. The parking lot is already used for outdoor events on game days. I highly doubt the noise will increase.
August 30, 20231 yr I like the design of this but definitely agree with commissioners that the front of Midway along High is often an eyesore There should be a more comprehensive look at how to improve the whole property The Midway building is falling apart and generally filthy, there have been many businesses here over the years (Insomnia, Bento Go Go, Asian Yum Yum) and I think it's time for the next chapter
August 30, 20231 yr 28 minutes ago, NW24HX said: I like the design of this but definitely agree with commissioners that the front of Midway along High is often an eyesore There should be a more comprehensive look at how to improve the whole property The Midway building is falling apart and generally filthy, there have been many businesses here over the years (Insomnia, Bento Go Go, Asian Yum Yum) and I think it's time for the next chapter Yeah I agree with that. Seems like tearing it down and building something about 3-4 stories tall would be the best option.
August 31, 20231 yr 37 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Yeah I agree with that. Seems like tearing it down and building something about 3-4 stories tall would be the best option. My problem with all of the rebuilds is that there's been a continuous loss of character (small businesses) throughout this section of High St. Sure it may look more aesthetically pleasing with more density but it will most likely be occupied by some sort of large business or another one of those bowl/burger joints that last a few years. I was happy to see Chumley's reopen in a new location but that unfortunately didn't last. Sense of place is so important to a campus and having a glorified version of Easton/Crocker Park doesn't do it for me.
August 31, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, BuckeyePlanner said: My problem with all of the rebuilds is that there's been a continuous loss of character (small businesses) throughout this section of High St. Sure it may look more aesthetically pleasing with more density but it will most likely be occupied by some sort of large business or another one of those bowl/burger joints that last a few years. I was happy to see Chumley's reopen in a new location but that unfortunately didn't last. Sense of place is so important to a campus and having a glorified version of Easton/Crocker Park doesn't do it for me. I don’t disagree, but midway could always open back up in the new building. It’s also a trash business and I wouldn’t care if it closed forever.
August 31, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I don’t disagree, but midway could always open back up in the new building. It’s also a trash business and I wouldn’t care if it closed forever. I agree it's not a great establishment haha they even double-charged me once back in college for drinks and never went back. At the same time, the University District/Campus Partners/key stakeholders involved need to make a greater effort to address the needs/wants of the students as well. I remember when I was at OSU the 15th and High project was in the planning stages. Campus partners surveyed students what they wanted to see most in the project. The number one request was for "bars". From what I've seen there aren't any in the new builds, it's only local high-priced food places. When I was a student I never was interested in places like that nor could afford going to them. That's why those places are constantly going out of business in the Gateway as well.
August 31, 20231 yr 29 minutes ago, BuckeyePlanner said: I agree it's not a great establishment haha they even double-charged me once back in college for drinks and never went back. At the same time, the University District/Campus Partners/key stakeholders involved need to make a greater effort to address the needs/wants of the students as well. I remember when I was at OSU the 15th and High project was in the planning stages. Campus partners surveyed students what they wanted to see most in the project. The number one request was for "bars". From what I've seen there aren't any in the new builds, it's only local high-priced food places. When I was a student I never was interested in places like that nor could afford going to them. That's why those places are constantly going out of business in the Gateway as well. All of this. It's a UNIVERSITY District across from one of the largest universities and student-populations in the world. And these folks are asking if this will be "too noisy?" The one place we can all agree on that SHOULD be kinda noisy is a college strip. And the lack of bars since even when I was at Ohio State (20+ years ago) is noticeable and kinda sad. They need to fire these commissioners. All of them. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 31, 20231 yr I do NOT want to see smoking coming back in bars. That said, yes couchlock is bad today, but the smoking ban is what shifted the emphasis from bars to taprooms and restaurants all over the state (and country for the most part by now) in short order. You're like "Well the beer's better in those places as compared to the dive bars of yore" but the good beers could easily be served up by plain ol' bars -- and is in many places. But trying to sub in another fast casual franchise like an Orange Leaf paying $28-32/sqft in rent that sees diminished sales 4 months a year for places where you make real memories (no matter how bad or embarrassing) is a tough business case and the bars made so much money in the good months while paying half as much rent through July and Christmas that they weren't on such a tightrope. I feel for these franchisees, I really do. I don't think they're stupid... those brand names and business cases seem so good on paper. I'm just way too much of a tightass to pay that kind of rent for something that is a good 2nd-base hit at like Polaris but a scary hellride on campus.
August 31, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: All of this. It's a UNIVERSITY District across from one of the largest universities and student-populations in the world. And these folks are asking if this will be "too noisy?" The one place we can all agree on that SHOULD be kinda noisy is a college strip. And the lack of bars since even when I was at Ohio State (20+ years ago) is noticeable and kinda sad. They need to fire these commissioners. All of them. The commissioners are a complete joke. I'm thinking about how my professors would stress "the importance of the third place" in planning and how that's not being thought of whatsoever in these new buildings. Do half of the job and fill them with chain stores. Quality redevelopment should not stop at the design of the building, the use is just as important. A good example of retaining a business is the Alabama Fishbar in OTR (Cincy).
August 31, 20231 yr Funny part is nobody talked about "Third Places" 25 years ago because they happened organically so it wasn't an issue.
August 31, 20231 yr It's not the commissioners that have homogenized and sterilized High St., it's OSU and Campus Partners.
August 31, 20231 yr I graduated 10 years ago and cannot believe how boring High St is now. There is zero character, and the Crocker Park/Easton comparison is 100% true.
August 31, 20231 yr The academics at Ohio State have really improved over time and the students/parents visiting campus are decreasingly the type of people that are interested in seeing ragers at places like Midway right across from the nice, new Union. The sterilization of High near campus was an inevitable result of this. Like the evolution of the rest of Columbus, this is just the natural progression of a growing, changing city. The grungy places are no longer in places like the Short North and right on Ohio State's doorstep. That opens new areas of Columbus to fill those gaps. Of course, this is sad to those of us that went to Ohio State in the past. But, that's life. Edited August 31, 20231 yr by TH3BUDDHA
August 31, 20231 yr On 8/25/2023 at 12:15 PM, VintageLife said: New OSU Master Plan Calls for Street Changes, New Wave of Development Plans for the renovation of existing buildings and new construction on just about every segment of campus, including the athletic campus, Waterman Farm, and land owned by OSU on the north side of Ackerman Road. more photos are at the end of the article. Renovation of many existing buildings, but demolition of some others, including my old HQ at Denney Hall. Makes me wonder if the English department will get one of the shiny new buildings proposed for Hanford Quad or if we'll just have to work out of a tent city behind McCracken or something. Probably a coinflip.
August 31, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said: The grungy places are no longer in places like the Short North and right on Ohio State's doorstep. That opens new areas of Columbus to fill those gaps. Of course, this is sad to those of us that went to Ohio State in the past. But, that's life. Except Athens is still almost exactly the same. The only big recent controversies in Athens were the closing of The Oasis and demo of Scott Quad.
August 31, 20231 yr Because Appalachia doesn't change like Columbus does. I'm spending a lot more time down in Appalachia these days and most things are basically the same as I remember 25 years ago. No growth = no change.
August 31, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, GCrites said: Because Appalachia doesn't change like Columbus does. I'm spending a lot more time down in Appalachia these days and most things are basically the same as I remember 25 years ago. No growth = no change. Exactly this, you can’t compare a major city to a tiny rural college town. They will never be the same and will never have the same draw.
September 3, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, CbusOrBust said: 8th & High I’m sad that the village idiot building is probably next. I’m fine with gaining density, but those older buildings look so much better than new builds.
September 4, 20231 yr On 8/30/2023 at 3:59 PM, VintageLife said: Planned OSU-area event space between Midway, Ethyl & Tank criticized by review board A potential event space between two Ohio State-area bars hit a snag during a recent review board meeting. A&R Creative, the owners of Midway and Ethyl & Tank, want to add a two-story event space in between the two bars. A parking lot stands there today. The restaurant group presented plans to the University Impact District Review Board last week. The UIDRB reviewed the plan on a conceptual basis, meaning no action was taken, but the board feedback was negative. A&R will have to go back before the board for a certificate of appropriateness before building the space, which it's calling the Block at 13th. The venue's porposed rooftop space was the center of much of the negative feedback. Board members had concerns about noise complaints stemming from the existing bars and how a third bar would contribute. "The open-air rooftop gives me pause, because I think would make the noise worse," said Keoni Fleming, a board member. I'm not too psyched about this project personally. I know it's easier said than done, but I'd much rather see a larger mixed use project on both this parcel and the Midway parcel. And honestly, the least thing that corner needs is another loud freshman bar like Midway, which is exactly what this would create. If you're definition of "campus culture" is loud obnoxious clubs like Midway, Bullwinkle's, and Big Bar, then so be it, but I don't think any "campus culture" is lost by getting rid of the most obnoxious bars/clubs on campus, which also happen to be directly in front of the Union. Allowing another bar on such an important corner would only add to this loudness and obnoxiousness - the bars on this corner are much worse than places like Village Idiot, Out-R-Inn, or even Little Bar.
September 4, 20231 yr 12 hours ago, Dblcut3 said: I'm not too psyched about this project personally. I know it's easier said than done, but I'd much rather see a larger mixed use project on both this parcel and the Midway parcel. And honestly, the least thing that corner needs is another loud freshman bar like Midway, which is exactly what this would create. If you're definition of "campus culture" is loud obnoxious clubs like Midway, Bullwinkle's, and Big Bar, then so be it, but I don't think any "campus culture" is lost by getting rid of the most obnoxious bars/clubs on campus, which also happen to be directly in front of the Union. Allowing another bar on such an important corner would only add to this loudness and obnoxiousness - the bars on this corner are much worse than places like Village Idiot, Out-R-Inn, or even Little Bar. I personally think it's ugly and doesn't match the area architecturally at all
September 12, 20231 yr Maybe this will bully campus to actually build something over 6 stories. 24-story skyscraper proposed on Ann Arbor’s Main Street
September 13, 20231 yr 19 hours ago, VintageLife said: Maybe this will bully campus to actually build something over 6 stories. 24-story skyscraper proposed on Ann Arbor’s Main Street You get tall buildings in cities where rich people are willing to spend a lot of money. I feel like this has been the main problem for Columbus. You just can't make the money needed to build that tall. We aren't a Nashville or Austin where people will pay a ton for a high rise vacation penthouse and our rents aren't that high yet. As far as Ann Arbor, Michigan is top ten in alumni billionaires. So, maybe that is at play, here.
September 13, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: You get tall buildings in cities where rich people are willing to spend a lot of money. I feel like this has been the main problem for Columbus. You just can't make the money needed to build that tall. We aren't a Nashville or Austin where people will pay a ton for a high rise vacation penthouse and our rents aren't that high yet. As far as Ann Arbor, Michigan is top ten in alumni billionaires. So, maybe that is at play, here. Our billionaire is willing to spend, but he spent it on building a creepy cult city instead of building in the city. They will spend it, but not how other billionaires spend it.
September 14, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, VintageLife said: Our billionaire is willing to spend, but he spent it on building a creepy cult city instead of building in the city. They will spend it, but not how other billionaires spend it. You need more than one billionaire though. Nashville and Austin have many out-of-town billionaires willing to splash cash on condos/apartments as vacation spots which helps them finance many of their sterile high-rise residential buildings.
September 14, 20231 yr 18 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: You need more than one billionaire though. Nashville and Austin have many out-of-town billionaires willing to splash cash on condos/apartments as vacation spots which helps them finance many of their sterile high-rise residential buildings. Yeah, the city messed up when they allowed Chase to build outside of downtown. That building would have been massive downtown, and would have been perfect next to the dispatch building. Edit: forgot that chase didn’t build it and that the city should have forced bank one to build downtown. Edited September 14, 20231 yr by VintageLife
September 14, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, VintageLife said: Yeah, the city messed up when they allowed Chase to build outside of downtown. That building would have been massive downtown, and would have been perfect next to the dispatch building. Edit: forgot that chase didn’t build it and that the city should have forced bank one to build downtown. Much easier to sell a tower downtown than a massive suburban campus(es). Is Chase still here in the same capacity if they just had a tower or two to take over in the merge? Same goes for Abbott Nutrition. Ross built out at Easton before Easton was even a vision. Are they still here as Abbott Labs' Nutrition HQ if they could have easily just sold a small tower downtown?
September 14, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, aderwent said: Much easier to sell a tower downtown than a massive suburban campus(es). Is Chase still here in the same capacity if they just had a tower or two to take over in the merge? Same goes for Abbott Nutrition. Ross built out at Easton before Easton was even a vision. Are they still here as Abbott Labs' Nutrition HQ if they could have easily just sold a small tower downtown?
September 20, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, CbusOrBust said: Rambler on Lane That's the name - I couldn't think of it yesterday when I drove by!
September 23, 20231 yr 33 minutes ago, CbusOrBust said: Quick look at the new intersection near Cannon Drive and John Herrick Drive I take pics for y'all and never upload them.
September 23, 20231 yr 45 minutes ago, columbus17 said: I take pics for y'all and never upload them. You also tease us but never give us the first three letters! 😋 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 23, 20231 yr 15 hours ago, ColDayMan said: You also tease us but never give us the first three letters! 😋 Being as connected as I am, the last thing I need is my head on someone's wall. I play a dangerous game already doing what I do here.
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