August 31, 20222 yr Just now, TIm said: According to something else I read, it's just an old IHOP building. I don't think the building itself is worth saving, but hopefully the business can find a new home in the area. Yea I don't think I would get too worked up over it being torn down, but it's nice little quirky campus bar in an ever increasing "corporate" campus environment.
August 31, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, TIm said: According to something else I read, it's just an old IHOP building. I don't think the building itself is worth saving, but hopefully the business can find a new home in the area. EDIT: Upon some Google Earthing, it's 100% an old IHOP building. Looks exactly like the two IHOPs near where I grew up. Peep the street view of The Little Bar and this IHOP in Massachusetts and you'll see they are almost identical. https://www.google.com/maps/place/IHOP/@41.6700934,-70.2973401,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x793522fb570b48ad!8m2!3d41.6700882!4d-70.2973244 Yeah one of the commissioners said that, and he said they aren’t worried about losing it, because it doesn’t have any historical tie to old north architecture.
August 31, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Yeah one of the commissioners said that, and he said they aren’t worried about losing it, because it doesn’t have any historical tie to old north architecture. It's definitely less of an architectural loss than the older buildings south of it would be. I'm excited to see renderings of the planned buildings!
August 31, 20222 yr Definitely IHOP, there's another on E Main in Bexley. I remember eating there as a kid. I'm not opposed to the development. I am opposed to the monolithic, block long podium buildings we are seeing these days. Block long buildings are not anything new and can be articulated better. Here's an example on Clark in Chicago that's not too bad. The newer Target building has a little character. Just across the street is another block long historic building that's OK too.
August 31, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: It's definitely less of an architectural loss than the older buildings south of it would be. I'm excited to see renderings of the planned buildings! The way I read the article only Little Bar will be torn down on High. Did I understand that correctly?
August 31, 20222 yr 10 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: It's definitely less of an architectural loss than the older buildings south of it would be. I'm excited to see renderings of the planned buildings! Yeah the loss of the stuff just south would suck. Although the dominoes needs to look better, so even if that was gone, it wouldn’t be horrible. Makes me wonder what was in the place of The Little Bar before it was ihop, and also what did Bdubs look like before?
August 31, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, Pablo said: The way I read the article only Little Bar will be torn down on High. Did I understand that correctly? Yes, just little bar and the church
August 31, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Pablo said: The way I read the article only Little Bar will be torn down on High. Did I understand that correctly? Yea that's how I read it. So my point was that just losing the Little Bar building isn't a significant historical loss.
August 31, 20222 yr Welp ... this needs a lot of work IMO It's similar to the original proposal for the CVS site - an oppressive developer monolith. I'd like to see it go in the same direction ... maybe the Lane Ave portion could step up to 12 or 15 stories to give some breathing room to the Norwich side? Higher quality materials and detailing would also go a long way. All that grey shown is fiber cement board which looks cheap new, and does not age well
August 31, 20222 yr CU snagged a rendering. Shows all the more reason to redevelop BW3 and the back halves of the historic storefronts to fill the whole block in nicely.
August 31, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, NW24HX said: Welp ... this needs a lot of work IMO It's similar to the original proposal for the CVS site - an oppressive developer monolith. I'd like to see it go in the same direction ... maybe the Lane Ave portion could step up to 12 or 15 stories to give some breathing room to the Norwich side? Higher quality materials and detailing would also go a long way. All that grey shown is fiber cement board which looks cheap new, and does not age well Fiber cement board should be banned by cities. It's a catch 22 because if the buildings in front get developed as they almost certainly will some day, then being concerned over the monolithic style of the center part is moot and would be an unnecessary cost for something unseen other than from that height or while in the alley. I think the work of preventing the monokithic presence is best handled along High. The parts on Lane and High are on par for everything else nearby and appear to be less monolithic than some others.
August 31, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, NW24HX said: Welp ... this needs a lot of work IMO It's similar to the original proposal for the CVS site - an oppressive developer monolith. I'd like to see it go in the same direction ... maybe the Lane Ave portion could step up to 12 or 15 stories to give some breathing room to the Norwich side? Higher quality materials and detailing would also go a long way. All that grey shown is fiber cement board which looks cheap new, and does not age well Pretty sure the commission will fight back against that material. If they want it to feel like the neighborhood, I see them having a hard time agreeing to this. Yeah, if the buildings on high get redeveloped, the middle part of this build isn’t a huge problem. It also seems like the church would be better on Lane and not High. Edited August 31, 20222 yr by VintageLife
August 31, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Fiber cement board should be banned by cities. It's a catch 22 because if the buildings in front get developed as they almost certainly will some day, then being concerned over the monolithic style of the center part is moot and would be an unnecessary cost for something unseen other than from that height or while in the alley. I think the work of preventing the monokithic presence is best handled along High. The parts on Lane and High are on par for everything else nearby and appear to be less monolithic than some others. It's true that eventually it could be somewhat masked from High St. But I don't think that's a valid excuse for allowing it to act as one superblock ... It can be developed in a way that looks decent today and in the future Looking at the Norwich side, just treating the High St portion as a different building visually would go a long way There's a sweet spot to hit between unnecessary cost and building the cheapest thing possible ... and I don't think this is there yet Edited August 31, 20222 yr by NW24HX
August 31, 20222 yr But you won't see that with the existing. The High Street side is completely obscured by the existing high street buildings. There's also a garage on the first three levels. Unless you have an elevation advantage or are standing in the alley, you won't see any of the lower portion even if they treated it more like the Norwich side.
September 1, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, NW24HX said: Welp ... this needs a lot of work IMO It's similar to the original proposal for the CVS site - an oppressive developer monolith. I'd like to see it go in the same direction ... maybe the Lane Ave portion could step up to 12 or 15 stories to give some breathing room to the Norwich side? Higher quality materials and detailing would also go a long way. All that grey shown is fiber cement board which looks cheap new, and does not age well I don't like it.
September 1, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Toddguy said: I don't like it. Me neither. I want it to keep its height, and I’m glad more surface lots are getting eaten up, but it looks really awkward as is.
September 1, 20222 yr On 5/19/2022 at 12:49 PM, Luvcbus said: Ohio State area adding 400-unit apartment development from Austin firm "Austin-based LV Collective this week closed on its purchase of 222 W. Lane Ave., where it plans to build a 400-unit apartment development. The project, intended to appeal to Ohio State University students, was first proposed last fall. The seven-story multifamily, student-oriented building the firm plans to develop will consist of 379 units and 885 beds. It should be ready for occupants in the fall of 2025, according to a media release. Demolition work at the site will start late this summer. Five floors will be residential units, including two-level townhomes. There will also be an indoor-outdoor cafe on the ground floor and a private study area. Amenities will include a gym with indoor-outdoor fitness areas and a third-story pool deck with a jumbotron and a view of Ohio Stadium." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/19/ohio-state-apartments-lv-collective.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_10&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s This is called the Rambler now. Pictures from the Dispatch.
September 1, 20222 yr 16 hours ago, NW24HX said: Welp ... this needs a lot of work IMO It's similar to the original proposal for the CVS site - an oppressive developer monolith. I'd like to see it go in the same direction ... maybe the Lane Ave portion could step up to 12 or 15 stories to give some breathing room to the Norwich side? Higher quality materials and detailing would also go a long way. All that grey shown is fiber cement board which looks cheap new, and does not age well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
September 1, 20222 yr 23 minutes ago, BuckeyePlanner said: KEEP LITTLE BAR! Yeah, I'll still take the Soviet housing over a 1960s-era IHop and parking lot.
September 2, 20222 yr On 8/31/2022 at 5:09 PM, NW24HX said: It's true that eventually it could be somewhat masked from High St. But I don't think that's a valid excuse for allowing it to act as one superblock ... It can be developed in a way that looks decent today and in the future Looking at the Norwich side, just treating the High St portion as a different building visually would go a long way There's a sweet spot to hit between unnecessary cost and building the cheapest thing possible ... and I don't think this is there yet So it looks like they're showing the church taking the back part of the retail space that's replacing Little Bar? Curious that they're relegating themselves to 10k square feet on the 3rd best of 3 frontages, but I guess it's a church and not looking for foot traffic.
September 2, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, aderwent said: This is called the Rambler now. Pictures from the Dispatch. Renderings getting a live action shot of me this weekend
September 2, 20222 yr A fun view from the new Innovation District (and the 3 buildings under construction there) towards all of the cranes further east (the natural gas facility across 315, and then all of the cranes for the new hospital further in the distance)
September 2, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, smjjms said: Renderings getting a live action shot of me this weekend As a college kid, a giant tv on the roof would be amazing
September 2, 20222 yr I will dare be the lone dissenter and say that those were Original House of Pancakes instead of IHOPs. So the one we're talking about, the one further north on High that's Beechwold-ish and the Bexley one that I definitely remember going to a lot, or wanting to. My folks were the brakes for that one because they always said everything was too sticky from syrup getting everywhere and them not cleaning it up well enough. IHOP did have a presence here in the '80s (unlike the '90s) but it was in buildings that are now things like Massey's Pizza and Fazoli's, as I remember it at least. It is totally conceivable that elsewhere IHOP took over former OHOP locations.
September 2, 20222 yr ^Per http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/ the OSU locations was an IHOP from 1966-1986 I remember going to the Bexley location and how sticky the syrup rack was at each table. But I digress. I don't think the massing is that bad. The rendering is awful - looks like it's from sketch-up. I imagine there will be more refined renderings as the project progresses. I agree with @NW24HX - increase the height on Lane and lower on the Norwich side to step the project down to the neighborhood. The Catholics next door need to up their game 😃
September 2, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Pablo said: ^Per http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/ the OSU locations was an IHOP from 1966-1986 I remember going to the Bexley location and how sticky the syrup rack was at each table. But I digress. I don't think the massing is that bad. The rendering is awful - looks like it's from sketch-up. I imagine there will be more refined renderings as the project progresses. I agree with @NW24HX - increase the height on Lane and lower on the Norwich side to step the project down to the neighborhood. The Catholics next door need to up their game 😃 The Catholics might be moving in another direction as well…. Heard that from someone with deeps ties to the diocese this past weekend.
September 2, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: The Catholics might be moving in another direction as well…. Heard that from someone with deeps ties to the diocese this past weekend. What does this mean?
September 2, 20222 yr 4 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: What does this mean? Exploring their options for selling, could’ve been part of this project but it didn’t sound like it.
September 2, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: Exploring their options for selling, could’ve been part of this project but it didn’t sound like it. Hopefully it happens, and I’m glad it will most likely be a separate project.
September 2, 20222 yr On 8/30/2022 at 2:26 PM, CbusOrBust said: I didn't get any pics, but while i was checking out the new OSU lacrosse stadium, i noticed fencing is now up around all the old Buckeye Village apartment buildings and there were crews on site prepping them for demolition. It appears they could be coming down pretty soon! CU confirms: Remaining Buckeye Village Buildings to be Demolished Soon “Ohio State University is moving forward with long-held plans to demolish the remaining buildings at Buckeye Village, the multi-building apartment complex off of Ackerman Road that provided housing for graduate students and their families for over 50 years. There are no immediate plans to build on the site, according to OSU, although documents dating back to 2017’s Framework 2.0 plan have called for the area to be developed into an Athletics District, a process that is already well underway. A map posted to the Athletic Department websiteshows that the land where the remaining Buckeye Village apartment buildings sit will be turned into multi-purpose fields. It also designates the area south of Ackerman Road, between Fred Taylor Drive and Defiance Drive, for “commercial use.” “The intent is to demolish the remaining Buckeye Village buildings by the end of the year since they sit vacant,” said Dan Hedman, Director of Marketing and Communications for the university’s Office of Administration and Planning.” https://columbusunderground.com/remaining-buckeye-village-buildings-to-be-demolished-soon-bw1/
September 3, 20222 yr 5 hours ago, amped91 said: CU confirms: Remaining Buckeye Village Buildings to be Demolished Soon “Ohio State University is moving forward with long-held plans to demolish the remaining buildings at Buckeye Village, the multi-building apartment complex off of Ackerman Road that provided housing for graduate students and their families for over 50 years. There are no immediate plans to build on the site, according to OSU, although documents dating back to 2017’s Framework 2.0 plan have called for the area to be developed into an Athletics District, a process that is already well underway. A map posted to the Athletic Department websiteshows that the land where the remaining Buckeye Village apartment buildings sit will be turned into multi-purpose fields. It also designates the area south of Ackerman Road, between Fred Taylor Drive and Defiance Drive, for “commercial use.” “The intent is to demolish the remaining Buckeye Village buildings by the end of the year since they sit vacant,” said Dan Hedman, Director of Marketing and Communications for the university’s Office of Administration and Planning.” https://columbusunderground.com/remaining-buckeye-village-buildings-to-be-demolished-soon-bw1/ I like the addition of commercial space, they should just add 2-3 stories on top and have some residential space.
September 8, 20222 yr No surprise here 🙄 I’m not even particularly in love with this project, but I’m so sick of “parking” being brought up in this city every single time something is proposed. Ohio State-area neighbors express concerns over projects that would tear down Little Bar “An Ohio State-are project that would tear down The Little Bar and a nearby church has been stalled. [T]he University Area Commission Zoning Committee tabled the proposal Tuesday, delaying the project's potential execution. A few neighbors who spoke in-person at the meeting raised concerns about parking and the density of the project. In an interview, John Massimiani, who owns the Little Bar at 2195 N. High St., said he wasn't surprised to hear of the developer's plans to tear the building down. The developer had made him aware of the project about six months ago. He's been a tenant of the property for 16 years, he said, and tried to buy it multiple times. For now, he's got four years left on his lease, and hopes to move the bar if he gets bought out sooner.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/08/little-bar-cvs-high-street-ohio-state-lane-avenue.html
September 8, 20222 yr 32 minutes ago, amped91 said: No surprise here 🙄 I’m not even particularly in love with this project, but I’m so sick of “parking” being brought up in this city every single time something is proposed. Ohio State-area neighbors express concerns over projects that would tear down Little Bar “An Ohio State-are project that would tear down The Little Bar and a nearby church has been stalled. [T]he University Area Commission Zoning Committee tabled the proposal Tuesday, delaying the project's potential execution. A few neighbors who spoke in-person at the meeting raised concerns about parking and the density of the project. In an interview, John Massimiani, who owns the Little Bar at 2195 N. High St., said he wasn't surprised to hear of the developer's plans to tear the building down. The developer had made him aware of the project about six months ago. He's been a tenant of the property for 16 years, he said, and tried to buy it multiple times. For now, he's got four years left on his lease, and hopes to move the bar if he gets bought out sooner.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/08/little-bar-cvs-high-street-ohio-state-lane-avenue.html Pretty dumb reason to complain, this would have a 3 story parking garage. People going to little bar don’t currently drive to park there. These people need to be told to shut up and move on. They live in the university district.
September 8, 20222 yr Same people argue against bike lanes and rail, ensuring traffic remains as big an issue as possible. All they really care about is personal convenience. A good commission would laugh them out of the room.
September 8, 20222 yr I hope they end up coming back with something even bigger(taller). If these people ruled everywhere and had always been like this, Manhattan would still have windmills and farms. smh. Edited September 8, 20222 yr by Toddguy
September 8, 20222 yr On 9/1/2022 at 8:06 PM, jebleprls22 said: A fun view from the new Innovation District (and the 3 buildings under construction there) towards all of the cranes further east (the natural gas facility across 315, and then all of the cranes for the new hospital further in the distance) I am so glad they are filling in around the freeway. The Martha Morehouse tower does not look so out of place on it's own now. On 9/4/2022 at 8:20 PM, CbusOrBust said: E. 9th What is the ultimate color of these going to be?
September 8, 20222 yr 31 minutes ago, Toddguy said: I am so glad they are filling in around the freeway. The Martha Morehouse tower does not look so out of place on it's own now. What is the ultimate color of these going to be? Looks like a variety of colors somewhat. https://www.parallel-co.com/76-east-ninth-columbus
September 9, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Looks like a variety of colors somewhat. https://www.parallel-co.com/76-east-ninth-columbus Thanks. It looks good-very pleasant colors. Edited September 9, 20222 yr by Toddguy
September 9, 20222 yr Oh JFC 🙄 Georgia developer hits another roadblock with Lane and High project “Landmark Properties, a Georgia-based developer, has been working for nearly a year to redevelop the corner of Lane and High streets home to a CVS and Waterbeds n' Stuff. Now the project is facing another delay, as the University Area Commission Zoning Committee tabled it this week. The developer said this week it could construct a seven-story, 573-bed project without requesting any variances, but neighborhood officials previously told the developer that they were not in favor of that design. Neighbors also had concerns about how a new development of this size could impact infrastructure in the area, like water and sewer.“ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/09/lane-and-high-georgia-developer-university-area.html
September 9, 20222 yr Just saw a business first article that said the 15 story proposal is also tabled, and that it was down to 14 stories. These review boards need to get wrecked and told to shut the hell up. I hope the developer comes back and tears down the historic buildings and builds the crappy 5 story that they presented.
September 9, 20222 yr 38 minutes ago, amped91 said: Oh JFC 🙄 Georgia developer hits another roadblock with Lane and High project “Landmark Properties, a Georgia-based developer, has been working for nearly a year to redevelop the corner of Lane and High streets home to a CVS and Waterbeds n' Stuff. Now the project is facing another delay, as the University Area Commission Zoning Committee tabled it this week. The developer said this week it could construct a seven-story, 573-bed project without requesting any variances, but neighborhood officials previously told the developer that they were not in favor of that design. Neighbors also had concerns about how a new development of this size could impact infrastructure in the area, like water and sewer.“ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/09/lane-and-high-georgia-developer-university-area.html Beat me to it, the university commission is trash. I hope the developer levels everything and builds the crappy looking 5 story they presented. everyone should send an email to the UIDRB and let them know to take their heads out of their ass. [email protected] Edited September 9, 20222 yr by VintageLife
September 9, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Just saw a business first article that said the 15 story proposal is also tabled, and that it was down to 14 stories. These review boards need to get wrecked and told to shut the hell up. I hope the developer comes back and tears down the historic buildings and builds the crappy 5 story that they presented. The crappy 5 story would almost certainly be praised by said commission. They're completely out of touch with where they live. I've said it before, but I don't know why developers just don't go to the City. Half of these neighborhood commissions just function as power trips for some people and are not seriously working in good faith to get the best possible project. The one version that was tall, dense and didn't demolish all the historic building was perfect. The neighborhood gatekeepers are making housing more unaffordable than it should be. Edited September 9, 20222 yr by jonoh81
September 9, 20222 yr I try not to get too in-depth with these as I don’t try to meddle in other districts business. But who the hell sits on the university districts board? I can’t think of many permanent residents of the district other than those that live close to Indianola & Frambes/Lane then north of Lane and east of High. Correct me if I’m wrong please.
September 9, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: I try not to get too in-depth with these as I don’t try to meddle in other districts business. But who the hell sits on the university districts board? I can’t think of many permanent residents of the district other than those that live close to Indianola & Frambes/Lane then north of Lane and east of High. Correct me if I’m wrong please. Yeah that’s the only place I know of that has any home owners. I think Neil also has some home owners farther north of lane in between Neil and high
September 9, 20222 yr Part of the problem here is the University District has not one, but two commissions. Many projects have to get through both, which can take multiple months of committee and full commission meetings apiece UARB aka UIDRB is solely an architectural review board, and any project regardless if it meets zoning has to receive a certificate of appropriateness in order to move forward (similar to the downtown commission) UAC is a more neighborhood oriented area commission similar to harrison west or clintonville. They only hear cases that request zoning variances, and can only issue a recommendation for approval / disapproval to city council. They cannot demand architectural changes (i.e. more brick, less cheap siding, more windows, etc), only zoning changes defined by code (height, density, parking) Consolidating the zoning aspect of UAC into the UIDRB IMO would help streamline the path and allow better projects to move forward more quickly
September 10, 20222 yr The university district is among the most, if not the most walkable neighborhood with density in this city and we are him-hawing over parking? But part of that is, of those few homeowners, the vocal ones who value their little restoration project from decades ago more than the vibrancy of a neighborhood. I'm with jonoh on this one and they need to go directly to the city. Perhaps several of them can bad together for a mini class action style protest of the commission. And we've discussed it many times before. These people HAVE parking. They opt not to use their off street parking and/or they failed to maintain their garage or its too small for modern vehicles etc but then their private property decisions are having real world impacts for the rest of the community
September 10, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The university district is among the most, if not the most walkable neighborhood with density in this city and we are him-hawing over parking? But part of that is, of those few homeowners, the vocal ones who value their little restoration project from decades ago more than the vibrancy of a neighborhood. I'm with jonoh on this one and they need to go directly to the city. Perhaps several of them can bad together for a mini class action style protest of the commission. And we've discussed it many times before. These people HAVE parking. They opt not to use their off street parking and/or they failed to maintain their garage or its too small for modern vehicles etc but then their private property decisions are having real world impacts for the rest of the community Yep, I brought that up in the email I sent. I’m sure it will all fall on deaf ears, but doesn’t hurt to let them know.
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