March 21, 20241 yr New Plan for Bier Stube Site Calls for Taller Building, Mass Timber Construction Dan Whalen, VP of Design and Development for Harbor Bay Ventures, said that the company anticipates utilizing mass timber for the building’s structure, a construction material that has a lower carbon footprint than concrete or steel and has grown increasingly popular in recent years. Harbor Bay has used mass timber in other projects, including Intro Cleveland, a nine-story mixed-use development that the developer calls the largest mass timber-framed residential building in the country. The proposed building at Ninth and High would hold 177 apartments, stand approximately 190 feet tall, and have an underground parking garage with space for 39 cars. It would be the first privately-developed student housing development in the U.S. built with mass timber, according to Whalen. Whalen said that the firm has been working to gather feedback from the community about the project – they have discussed it with the zoning committee of the University Area Commission, and plan to present to the University Impact Review Board for the first time next week.
March 21, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, VintageLife said: New Plan for Bier Stube Site Calls for Taller Building, Mass Timber Construction Dan Whalen, VP of Design and Development for Harbor Bay Ventures, said that the company anticipates utilizing mass timber for the building’s structure, a construction material that has a lower carbon footprint than concrete or steel and has grown increasingly popular in recent years. Harbor Bay has used mass timber in other projects, including Intro Cleveland, a nine-story mixed-use development that the developer calls the largest mass timber-framed residential building in the country. The proposed building at Ninth and High would hold 177 apartments, stand approximately 190 feet tall, and have an underground parking garage with space for 39 cars. It would be the first privately-developed student housing development in the U.S. built with mass timber, according to Whalen. Whalen said that the firm has been working to gather feedback from the community about the project – they have discussed it with the zoning committee of the University Area Commission, and plan to present to the University Impact Review Board for the first time next week. I love the not so subtle "do not complain about parking you silly review board!" information they provided. I'm sure we are also going to hear the "it's going to be so loud in there if it's made of wood" and those complaints can also go suck an egg. These are college students, the walls could be 8ft thick concrete and it'll still be loud in there.
March 21, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, columbus17 said: I'm just glad it's tall. High street needs more towers. Sadly it has zero retail, which I do hope the commission pushes back on.
March 21, 20241 yr Up Campus has new renderings and it doesn’t look as bad, but not what it should have been. there are more pictures but it won’t let me put them up. Edited March 21, 20241 yr by VintageLife
March 22, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, VintageLife said: Sadly it has zero retail, which I do hope the commission pushes back on. Not every building needs retail!!! It's nice but it can't become a requirement, the city can only support so many businesses and we have restaurants closing weekly.
March 22, 20241 yr In my mind, I would push them for a Pavey style development behind those houses. There's so much land there it's a missed opportunity and a good commission focused on housing and growth might say, 'fine, you can have your tower if you also work to fill that gap'. While the tower should he approved anyway, it's approval could he used to push for something better. That and I'll always push for integration of exiting buildings. The commission shouldn't allow the full demolition of one of the dwindling numbers of historic structures. Edited March 22, 20241 yr by DTCL11
March 22, 20241 yr 40 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: In my mind, I would push them for a Pavey style development behind those houses. There's so much land there it's a missed opportunity and a good commission focused on housing and growth might say, 'fine, you can have your tower if you also work to fill that gap'. While the tower should he approved anyway, it's approval could he used to push for something better. That and I'll always push for integration of exiting buildings. The commission shouldn't allow the full demolition of one of the dwindling numbers of historic structures. Could be a future idea, this is probably a good way to tell the commission, hey there is plenty of parking right here, let us build this. Then once they realize that area doesn’t need 1 to 1 parking they will come back and say, alright, now we will do this.
March 22, 20241 yr 51 minutes ago, TIm said: Not every building needs retail!!! It's nice but it can't become a requirement, the city can only support so many businesses and we have restaurants closing weekly. I get what you are saying, but in these types of areas, there should be at least a corner spot. This is replacing 3 current restaurants/bar spaces that seem to be going great. When you see places closing, you have time where that there are also a bunch of places opening weekly. The restaurant industry has always been hard to stay in. It’s just the natural cycle of things.
March 22, 20241 yr That type of alley parking lot redevelopment was recently completed behind Gateway. E. 10th is essentially an alley here. It's an administrative issue with the City, but buildings need a street address and the alley between 8th and 9th is unnamed. that can be remedied if the building has a Wall St. address or a zoning variance.
March 22, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TIm said: Not every building needs retail!!! It's nice but it can't become a requirement, the city can only support so many businesses and we have restaurants closing weekly. I agree. I keep seeing comments on every new project that it needs retail….but there’s already enough vacant retail space in the urban core. There’s other ways to activate the ground level beyond retail spaces.
March 22, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, amped91 said: I agree. I keep seeing comments on every new project that it needs retail….but there’s already enough vacant retail space in the urban core. There’s other ways to activate the ground level beyond retail spaces. I had my opinions on this matter vindicated over on r/urbanplanning haha. There was an urban planning hot takes post and I had the same one I repeat here. Not every building needs ground floor retail and not every building needs to be a work of art, sometimes functionality is the most important aspect of a development.
March 25, 20241 yr On 3/21/2024 at 10:50 AM, VintageLife said: New Plan for Bier Stube Site Calls for Taller Building, Mass Timber Construction Dan Whalen, VP of Design and Development for Harbor Bay Ventures, said that the company anticipates utilizing mass timber for the building’s structure, a construction material that has a lower carbon footprint than concrete or steel and has grown increasingly popular in recent years. Harbor Bay has used mass timber in other projects, including Intro Cleveland, a nine-story mixed-use development that the developer calls the largest mass timber-framed residential building in the country. The proposed building at Ninth and High would hold 177 apartments, stand approximately 190 feet tall, and have an underground parking garage with space for 39 cars. It would be the first privately-developed student housing development in the U.S. built with mass timber, according to Whalen. Whalen said that the firm has been working to gather feedback from the community about the project – they have discussed it with the zoning committee of the University Area Commission, and plan to present to the University Impact Review Board for the first time next week. Build. This. Now.
March 29, 20241 yr Ohio State-area apartments get mixed feedback from review board, continue to be stalled New Ohio State-area apartments could replace an empty church building, but the developer still has more work to do to earn a local board's approval. The UIDRB considered the latest iteration of the project on March 28 on a conceptual basis, meaning no action was taken. The developer will have to return for a certificate of appropriateness to move forward. The board gave the developer mixed feedback on the latest design. Some board members were in favor of the height of the building, but most were concerned with its massing. "It's still very big," said Tim Sublette, a member of the board. Keoni Fleming, another board member, said the building's massing could be disguised with more architectural articulation. And board member Laurie Gunzelman said the building looked institutional. "It feels like something you'd see on campus," Gunzelman said.
March 29, 20241 yr Institutional was my feedback with the new renderings. Tim Sublett should lett himself off the commission if he's still fighting the size of it. FFS.
March 29, 20241 yr On 3/21/2024 at 10:50 AM, VintageLife said: New Plan for Bier Stube Site Calls for Taller Building, Mass Timber Construction Dan Whalen, VP of Design and Development for Harbor Bay Ventures, said that the company anticipates utilizing mass timber for the building’s structure, a construction material that has a lower carbon footprint than concrete or steel and has grown increasingly popular in recent years. Harbor Bay has used mass timber in other projects, including Intro Cleveland, a nine-story mixed-use development that the developer calls the largest mass timber-framed residential building in the country. The proposed building at Ninth and High would hold 177 apartments, stand approximately 190 feet tall, and have an underground parking garage with space for 39 cars. It would be the first privately-developed student housing development in the U.S. built with mass timber, according to Whalen. Whalen said that the firm has been working to gather feedback from the community about the project – they have discussed it with the zoning committee of the University Area Commission, and plan to present to the University Impact Review Board for the first time next week. Pretty shocked that the commission was mostly in support of this project. A few of them still had reservation about the height, but wanted to see what the architecture looked like more in depth. A few wanted to see commercial, at least one spot, to activate the ground floor. None of them cared about the lack of parking, so that is a positive. They did not vote in the variances but chose to continue them, until they had better renderings.
March 29, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, VintageLife said: Pretty shocked that the commission was mostly in support of this project. A few of them still had reservation about the height, but wanted to see what the architecture looked like more in depth. A few wanted to see commercial, at least one spot, to activate the ground floor. None of them cared about the lack of parking, so that is a positive. They did not vote in the variances but chose to continue them, until they had better renderings. Ok. They need to call it the ATL developer at Lane and High and apologize and bring them back to the table if they are going to consider this with little pushback. But that is also dependent on who is in attendance. They'll push back when people are in their ear less. Less homeowners there than further north like Pavey Edited March 29, 20241 yr by DTCL11
March 29, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Ok. They need to call it the ATL developer at Lane and High and apologize and bring them back to the table if they are going to consider this with little pushback. But that is also dependent on who is in attendance. They'll push back when people are in their ear less. Less homeowners there than further north like Pavey you are 100% correct, I wonder if that company still owns that corner and if they will come back eventually. There was an old dude that complained about it during the meeting, they basically ignored him it seems. I feel like if I heard him right he said he lives on Adams Ave, which wouldn’t even be close to being affected by this.
March 30, 20241 yr Here's where things stand with an Ohio State-area project that would replace the Bier Stube The fate of popular Ohio State-area bar the Bier Stube is still hanging in the balance as a developer refines its plans for the site and seeks necessary approvals. Harbor Bay Ventures, a development firm with offices in Cleveland and Chicago, wants to construct a 15-story, 219-unit apartment building at 1479 N. High St., which is today home to the Bier Stube. It would be the developer's first Columbus project. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/03/29/bier-stube-redevelopment-ohio-state-apartments.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 6, 20241 yr Columbus City Council to vote on apartments near Ohio State, Kohl's A proposal that would replace two houses near Ohio State's campus with a 17-unit apartment building has one final hurdle to overcome. At its Monday meeting, Columbus City Council will consider a plan that would tear down the houses at 127 and 135 E. Woodruff Ave. and build a new 17-unit building with a coffee shop on the ground floor. The coffee shop will be operated by a local nonprofit, plans submitted to the city say. Apartments would be a mix of studios, one-, four- and five-bedrooms. The new building would be four stories tall, according to plans. The fourth story will have a rooftop garden. The University Impact District Review Board and the University Area Commission both recommended approval of the project. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/04/05/waldeck-ohio-state-apartments-city-council.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 7, 20241 yr On 4/6/2024 at 9:02 AM, CbusOrBust said: Yesterday evening at the Rambler on Lane Ave Now they just need to bury those utility lines.
April 9, 20241 yr Framework 3.0 has had presentations available for awhile. I started a few months ago doing before-and-afters manually, but just didn't have the time. Ohio State has finally made the information and pictures more easily accessible. Here are some near-term existing and proposed pictures: Core North: Hansford Quad: Neil Ave Promenade: River and Midwest: Woody Hayes Dr Transit Hub: Medical Center: Meiling-Graves: Core South: 11th Avenue: The Full Campus Plan: There is a lot more info on the site: https://pare.osu.edu/framework
April 17, 20241 yr Cameron Mitchell Restaurants supports Ohio State project with $1 million donation Cameron Mitchell Restaurants is giving $1 million to Ohio State University. The university’s College of Education and Human Ecology on Tuesday announced that the Columbus restaurant group is supporting the renovation of Campbell Hall, which is the home to the school’s Hospitality Management Program. In a release, founder Cameron Mitchell said the donation will help foster the next generation of hospitality leaders. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/04/17/cameron-mitchell-restaurants-osu-1-million.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 18, 20241 yr Harbor Bay will be back before the commission and have submitted some more detailed design. Renderings start on slide 28 9th and High Not sure the commission is going to like the fact that it is all dark. Edited April 18, 20241 yr by VintageLife
April 18, 20241 yr Up Campus at 16th is also back with another render change. Looks pretty good actually, but doubt it will be approved. Up Campus at 16th
April 18, 20241 yr These both look great, but the Harbor Bay ones needs more character. Obviously its a early design, but it just seems like a giant black box right now.
April 19, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, columbus17 said: These both look great, but the Harbor Bay ones needs more character. Obviously it’s an early design, but it just seems like a giant black box right now. I agree 100%, I’m hoping the commission passes the variances and just says they want some better detail and character when they come back for final approval.
April 19, 20241 yr The fun part of the Harbor Bay development is the deception. What's missing from the 'current conditions'? Could it be a pretty well in tact, sizeable, pre-war structure? THEN they have the audacity to include a section of brick first floor that essentially mimics similar structures Hear me out.... flip it. And use the existing historic structure for that.... But I'm sure THIS will win over the commission. Edited April 19, 20241 yr by DTCL11
April 19, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The fun part of the Harbor Bay development is the deception. What's missing from the 'current conditions'? Could it be a pretty well in tact, sizeable, pre-war structure? THEN they have the audacity to include a section of brick first floor that essentially mimics similar structures Hear me out.... flip it. And use the existing historic structure for that.... But I'm sure THIS will win over the commission. It’s not really deception. Tbe commission didn’t really say anything about them saving the current building, which I agree does suck to lose. Even worse this will replace 3 businesses and will not have any commercial space. I do like these original buildings but Columbus needs housing bad and campus, especially south campus, is a great place for dense high development.
April 19, 20241 yr I'm in favor of the height but the mass is pretty overwhelming to have a dozen plus floors of the same monolithic black wall. Their other projects shown have more glass and facade variation, I'd like to see that here as well Also some retail space should definitely be included. I'd suggest nixing the townhomes along 9th (they don't really add that much) and instead putting the leasing office there. Then repurpose that High St frontage as retail. The current site has no less than 5 businesses - a bar, carryout, chinese restaurant, pizza place, and karaoke bar. Replacing all that activity with zero seems pretty unreasonable to me - give us something. That was true for the previous Buckeye Real Estate proposal for this site, and it's true here IMO
April 19, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, VintageLife said: It’s not really deception. Tbe commission didn’t really say anything about them saving the current building, which I agree does suck to lose. Even worse this will replace 3 businesses and will not have any commercial space. I do like these original buildings but Columbus needs housing bad and campus, especially south campus, is a great place for dense high development. It is absolutely deception. They intentionally left out the most significant portion of the existing property to say, look at the grossness we are replacing. And Columbus needs housing is not an excuse to keep bulldozing everything with reckless abandon. Period. I say this every time. If we keep looking at singular projects saying 'well this one is ok because a, b, c...' before we know it we will be out of buildings that add character and history to a city and be left with little to show in history and architectural variety. We have to stop looking so narrowly at demolition approvals. We don't even have to go more than a few hundred feet to a really successful project at King and High to see that there is little excuse for protecting what's left.
April 19, 20241 yr The existing structure was featured twice in the presentation. But I agree that it should be incorporated in some way. I don’t really care if this doesn’t specifically contain retail, but the existing businesses should be given assistance with filling surrounding vacant retail spots, which I’m sure come with a much higher rent.
April 19, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, DTCL11 said: The fun part of the Harbor Bay development is the deception. What's missing from the 'current conditions'? Could it be a pretty well in tact, sizeable, pre-war structure? You conveniently left out the entire page which does show the 9th and High building. I agree that the High St. facade should flip and utilize the existing structure (or rebuilding it like they did at King and High). I also agree with another post that the leasing office should be on 9th leaving High St available for retail. Leasing offices and tenant gyms shouldn't be on High. I think the street level facade looks pretty good, but there should be retail.
April 19, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Pablo said: You conveniently left out the entire page which does show the 9th and High building. I agree that the High St. facade should flip and utilize the existing structure (or rebuilding it like they did at King and High). I also agree with another post that the leasing office should be on 9th leaving High St available for retail. Leasing offices and tenant gyms shouldn't be on High. I think the street level facade looks pretty good, but there should be retail. There can’t be retail on every single block. Not every building in NYC and Chicago has retail. There are a ton of empty spots on High Street already.
April 19, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: There can’t be retail on every single block. Not every building in NYC and Chicago has retail. There are a ton of empty spots on High Street already. I agree with this, but this will create a pretty big void with the building right to the north nothing having any and the new build right to the south also not having any. In these super dense walkable areas, I think it should be required to have at least a small corner retail spot. I think it’s even worse in this location because there are so many businesses already there.
April 19, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, Pablo said: You conveniently left out the entire page which does show the 9th and High building. I agree that the High St. facade should flip and utilize the existing structure (or rebuilding it like they did at King and High). I also agree with another post that the leasing office should be on 9th leaving High St available for retail. Leasing offices and tenant gyms shouldn't be on High. I think the street level facade looks pretty good, but there should be retail. I guess it's easier to miss when they didn't show the front of the building and still conveniently only highlight the side and rear and don't show the High Street frontage. 🤷
April 19, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I agree with this, but this will create a pretty big void with the building right to the north nothing having any and the new build right to the south also not having any. In these super dense walkable areas, I think it should be required to have at least a small corner retail spot. I think it’s even worse in this location because there are so many businesses already there. Not very interactive… the beer store doesn’t even have windows… across the street has retail and a block away as well
April 21, 20241 yr Apparently this shrunk a couple stories, and the underground parking was nixed: OSU-area plan would replace Bier Stube with nation's second-tallest wood-framed building “Harbor Bay's plans were approved Wednesday by the University Area Commission after the company agreed to make changes to the plan, including reducing the height from 15 stories. Harbor Bay is partnering on the project with Marker, a Philadelphia-based student housing company, and the Mollica and Ryan families, who own the Bier Stube site. Harbor Bay's plan calls for a first-floor "podium" level of traditional steel and concrete topped by 12 floors built of wood. The building would include 184 apartments, ranging from studios to four-bedroom units, for a total 452 bedrooms. Like other student housing complexes, the units would be rented by the bedroom. Harbor Bay estimates that 90% of tenants would be students. In addition to allowing the height, the University Area Commission granted a variance that allows no parking in the building, instead of the 276 spaces current zoning code requires. Harbor Bay's proposal notes that residents would have access to a surface parking lot on West 9th Avenue and a parking garage on East 9th Avenue, which Harbor Bay says are underused. "To include no parking is just totally irresponsible," said Seth Golding, zoning chairman of the University Area Commission. "Even with the height reduction, this is twice as high as anything we've approved."‘ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/real-estate/2024/04/21/osus-bier-stube-to-be-replaced-by-13-story-wood-apartment-building/73374151007/
April 21, 20241 yr 44 minutes ago, amped91 said: Apparently this shrunk a couple stories, and the underground parking was nixed: OSU-area plan would replace Bier Stube with nation's second-tallest wood-framed building “Harbor Bay's plans were approved Wednesday by the University Area Commission after the company agreed to make changes to the plan, including reducing the height from 15 stories. Harbor Bay is partnering on the project with Marker, a Philadelphia-based student housing company, and the Mollica and Ryan families, who own the Bier Stube site. Harbor Bay's plan calls for a first-floor "podium" level of traditional steel and concrete topped by 12 floors built of wood. The building would include 184 apartments, ranging from studios to four-bedroom units, for a total 452 bedrooms. Like other student housing complexes, the units would be rented by the bedroom. Harbor Bay estimates that 90% of tenants would be students. In addition to allowing the height, the University Area Commission granted a variance that allows no parking in the building, instead of the 276 spaces current zoning code requires. Harbor Bay's proposal notes that residents would have access to a surface parking lot on West 9th Avenue and a parking garage on East 9th Avenue, which Harbor Bay says are underused. "To include no parking is just totally irresponsible," said Seth Golding, zoning chairman of the University Area Commission. "Even with the height reduction, this is twice as high as anything we've approved."‘ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/real-estate/2024/04/21/osus-bier-stube-to-be-replaced-by-13-story-wood-apartment-building/73374151007/ Super annoying but at least it’s 10+. The zoning chairman is an idiot and hopefully doesn’t have a say in anything in the future. It’s weird that this company can build taller structures in smaller college cities and doesn’t need to include 70000 parking spaces
April 21, 20241 yr The only thing irresponsible is letting this guy continue to be the chairman of the commission. I so want Columbus to take the next steps with density in the region but these commissioners stuck in their small town, car centric vibes ruin it. Can't wait for the zoning changes.
April 21, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Super annoying but at least it’s 10+. The zoning chairman is an idiot and hopefully doesn’t have a say in anything in the future. It’s weird that this company can build taller structures in smaller college cities and doesn’t need to include 70000 parking spaces OSU is a joke in a lot of ways - namely the fact they never practice what they preach.
April 21, 20241 yr The reduction in height doesn't seem terrible. The number of units went up but I can't seem to find a comparison on the number of beds. So if the goal is density, and the increase.of units also means an increase in beds, it's a win win. The developer doesn't have to spend as much on parking and that's less car dependency while adding more bodies than the prior proposal. *pending verification on the number of beds. I'm really tempted to email that Georgia developer myself and beg them to come back now. Or... maybe Harbor Bay can buy that land. Also, this lot is at nearly at the highest elevation of High Street between the convention center and Old North (the highest being just about 100ft away) so it's got some built in oomph to its visual presence. Edited April 21, 20241 yr by DTCL11
April 21, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The reduction in height doesn't seem terrible. The number of units went up but I can't seem to find a comparison on the number of beds. So if the goal is density, and the increase.of units also means an increase in beds, it's a win win. The developer doesn't have to spend as much on parking and that's less car dependency while adding more bodies than the prior proposal. *pending verification on the number of beds. Based on what I can see, it went from the 15 story with 219 units and 504 beds (an even earlier version had more parking and fewer units/beds) down to 184 units and 452 beds.
April 21, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, amped91 said: Based on what I can see, it went from the 15 story with 219 units and 504 beds (an even earlier version had more parking and fewer units/beds) down to 184 units and 452 beds. Maybe it's the first version I found the bed numbers on. So comparing 1 to final, great. 2 to final, meh. But still not mad about it.
April 21, 20241 yr I have a feeling this is also why some more commissioners voted in favor than maybe would have and the developer dropped parking and height. They know the developer could wait it out and then they'd have no choice anyway and the developer knows this for leverage? Maybe we are seeing the impact of the new zoning already. Edited April 21, 20241 yr by DTCL11
April 23, 20241 yr On 4/21/2024 at 8:29 AM, amped91 said: Apparently this shrunk a couple stories, and the underground parking was nixed: OSU-area plan would replace Bier Stube with nation's second-tallest wood-framed building “Harbor Bay's plans were approved Wednesday by the University Area Commission after the company agreed to make changes to the plan, including reducing the height from 15 stories. Harbor Bay is partnering on the project with Marker, a Philadelphia-based student housing company, and the Mollica and Ryan families, who own the Bier Stube site. Harbor Bay's plan calls for a first-floor "podium" level of traditional steel and concrete topped by 12 floors built of wood. The building would include 184 apartments, ranging from studios to four-bedroom units, for a total 452 bedrooms. Like other student housing complexes, the units would be rented by the bedroom. Harbor Bay estimates that 90% of tenants would be students. In addition to allowing the height, the University Area Commission granted a variance that allows no parking in the building, instead of the 276 spaces current zoning code requires. Harbor Bay's proposal notes that residents would have access to a surface parking lot on West 9th Avenue and a parking garage on East 9th Avenue, which Harbor Bay says are underused. "To include no parking is just totally irresponsible," said Seth Golding, zoning chairman of the University Area Commission. "Even with the height reduction, this is twice as high as anything we've approved."‘ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/real-estate/2024/04/21/osus-bier-stube-to-be-replaced-by-13-story-wood-apartment-building/73374151007/ So in the updated materials for the university commission, this is now at 13 stories. Curious if that is a mistake or if they are basically saying we will do 13 not 12 and we will wait until code changes if we have to.
April 23, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, VintageLife said: So in the updated materials for the university commission, this is now at 13 stories. Curious if that is a mistake or if they are basically saying we will do 13 not 12 and we will wait until code changes if we have to. The article you quoted says 13 stories - one podium level made of concrete topped by 12 of wood.
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