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I wonder if there is any evidence of nonsmokers from Kentucky going up to Cincinnati to smoke free bars. Anyone have any insight or experiences?

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Ban effort heating up in N.Ky.

BY KERRY DUKE | CINCINNATI POST

May 3, 2007

www.cincypost.com

 

Ohio's new public-places smoking ban has left Northern Kentucky loosely surrounded by smoke-free communities and emboldened efforts of a regional coalition trying to gin up support for such a measure here.

 

"It hasn't gone away," said Matt Coleman of Northern Kentucky ACTION's efforts to ban smoking in the workplace in Campbell County. "We're going to continue to take steps forward."..

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River divides ban issues

Some travel to Kentucky to avoid it, while others attracted to Cincinnati because of it

BY TONY LANG | [email protected] AND AMANDA VAN BENSCHOTEN

 

Matt Loos of Northside is driving south across the river to smoke in Newport bars and restaurants.

 

Stephanie Horstman of Florence is driving north to enjoy Cincinnati's smoke-free nightspots...

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070519/NEWS01/705190382/1056/COL02

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Smoking ban cuts businesses both ways

Some Ohio patrons make run for border

 

By Juliann Vachon

Post staff reporter

 

It's been more than six weeks since Ohio bars were forced to put away their ashtrays, and some businesses are seeing the fallout from the statewide smoking ban.

 

Some Northern Kentucky taverns and restaurants report seeing an increase in customers from Ohio, a fear opponents of the ban raised during the campaign preceding the vote to ban smoking in public places. Other bars in Cincinnati are reporting that business is holding steady, and restaurants and bars are welcoming Ohio and Kentucky patrons looking for a smoke-free environment...

 

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070621/NEWS01/706210372

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Cigar bars ask relief from ban

Assaults continue on smoking law

BY CLIFF PEALE | [email protected]

 

 

Cigar bars could be exempted from the new smoking ban in Ohio under a bill proposed by state Sen. Gary Cates of West Chester.

 

Senate Bill 195 would allow smoking in bars and restaurants that have a walk-in humidor of at least 300 cubic feet and at least four air-filtration systems, Cates said...

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070715/NEWS01/707150406/1077/COL02

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What would your feelings be toward a complete campus-wide smoking ban on UC's main campus?

Strongly Support 2307 / 46.72%   

   

Somewhat Support 568 / 11.5%   

   

Neutral 452 / 9.15%   

   

Somewhat Against 396 / 8.02%   

   

Strongly Against 1215 / 24.61%   

   

Currently, the University of Cincinnati has two policies in effect on main campus. The university’s east campus enforces a complete smoking ban prohibiting students, faculty, staff, and visitors to refrain from smoking on the campus property. The policy on west campus requires smokers to be at least 25 feet from any buildings, except for in designated smoking areas.

 

 

This is DISTURBING. If people can't smoke outside then it's only fair to ban all car exhaust as well.

 

But David, we need to move freight; how will we move goods onto campus?!

 

Tough!

 

 

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No. Ky. pushes smoking ban

Business group also seeks higher cigarette taxes

BY KARI WETHINGTON & PATRICK CROWLEY | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER www.enquirer.com

November 30, 2007

 

Northern Kentucky's largest business group is calling on state lawmakers to ban smoking in most public places and increase the state's cigarette tax by 25 cents.

 

While the Northern Kentucky Chamber of Commerce has advocated higher cigarette taxes in the past, this is the first time it has pushed for a smoking ban...

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Smoking ban challenge tossed

Bar, restaurant owners likely to appeal ruling upholding Ohio law

BY SHARON COOLIDGE | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER www.enquirer.com

March 11, 2008

 

CINCINNATI - A group of bar and restaurant owners who argued in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court that Ohio's smoking ban is unconstitutional lost their bid to overturn the law.

 

Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Fred Nelson tossed out the lawsuit Friday, upholding the Smoke Free Workplace Act, which the state's voters passed in November 2006...

ridiculous law...

I love the law!  I can go to bars without smelling like an ash tray, I probably spend twice the amount of time and money at the bars now.

As a person with respiratory issues, I love the law as well.

ridiculous law...

 

Bingeaux.  What's wrong with leaving it up to the owner?

 

It's not only killed business at a lot of bars, but some of the independent coffee houses who used to allow smoking when the big chains didn't.

 

It would be fair to require a sign be placed on the door of a business that allows smoking.  But some people have peanut allergies that limit where they can go, but we don't require a peanut ban to accomodate them.

 

My experience (I work in the industry) is the "new people" who didn't come out ostensibly because of the smoke don't come out more than once a month, are more demanding, and spend and tip less.

I don't think the smoking ban is even about cigarettes at all. It's just another way to trap people inside their houses, decrease socializing and park them in front of TVs.

I don't understand why the law couldn't be more reasonable.  If 25% of the population smokes, then why can't 25% of the state liquor licenses be allowed to have smoking if the OWNER CHOOSES TO DO SO?  Nobody would be forcing anyone to go into a smoking establishment.  Just doesn't make any sense to me why there are so many smoking nazis out there.  I understand no smoking in restaurants, but I don't get the problem with bars.  I'd rather ban people that wear too much cologne.  Or people that have really bad body odor.  Can we start banning people with colds since they can spread the cold to others in enclosed spaces more easily?  Can we start doing lice checks before anyone with kids be allowed in a business?  I mean, shouldn't we do whatever we can to protect the workers and the unsuspecting public?

 

People are too easy to give up rights.  I understand people that don't smoke wanting a smoke free place to go to, but that shouldn't give them the right to dictate the policies of every single establishment in the state.

 

And don't we humans keep living longer yet most of these statewide bans just started in the last several years?  Maybe we will all live to be 120 now.

^Amen

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^ Um, that piece tries to make it sound like that the 1-5 years that other states have had smoking bans has cleaned up the health in those states in that short of time. No, that will take a generation or more, that is if smoking bans even have a significant impact on public health.

I don't think the smoking ban is even about cigarettes at all. It's just another way to trap people inside their houses, decrease socializing and park them in front of TVs.

It has been the exact opposite for me.  My wife has CF and before the smoking ban we could not see live music at all in Cincy.  In the past few months we have seen maybe a dozen acts, and it is like a new life.  I thank the voters every week that they passed this. 

 

I watched too many relatives die of congested lungs. Smoking is just slow suicide. Keep it to yourself outside.

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Save your breath; smokers need not apply

By Cliff Peale, Cincinnati Enquirer, October 21, 2008

 

Taking the employee wellness program to another level, a local company is refusing to hire smokers unless they enter a program to help them quit.

 

USI, the insurance and financial services company located downtown, started the program this year. The program only applies to new employees, who are tested when they are hired...

 

^ See, this is the kind of stuff some companies in the corporate world are increasingly doing to completely take over employees' lives. If they are so focused on health care costs, they might have to get rid of their obese employees as well. We'll see how well that goes over.

^ I dont recall reading where it says they are "getting rid" of anybody.  Just dont apply to work there thats all.  It certainly seems discriminatory, though.

But it's their choice. And here is a comment I found particularly relevant in the article:

 

"I find it amusing that a major argument against the smoking ban was "why not let the business decide?" Well, now businesses are DECIDING not to hire smokers due to them costing more to health care. Now smokers start to complain about it."

 

Note that this is not a ban against current employees from smoking, but to future employees.

I'm not sure I like that idea of a company refusing to hire someone that smokes.  It does sound like they are dictating what employees do during their own time, and smoking itself is a legal activity.  I don't think smokers are considered a "protected class," so this is probably how companies get away with it.

 

However, my company does charge extra for health and life insurance for smokers, which I can understand.  They also offer a smoking cessation program.

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City seeks smoking ban input

Taylor Mill posting survey on its Web site

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081103/NEWS0108/811030331/1169/NEWS

 

City officials want to know what residents think about an effort to regulate public smoking in Northern Kentucky.

 

"We're going to put out an online survey probably in the next couple of weeks, at least by mid-November," said Taylor Mill Mayor Mark Kreimborg...

 

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