June 21, 200717 yr If you live with your parents while you're in College, they are supporting you. So even if you get your tuition covered by loans and pay for misc. non-academic related stuff with your own money, its still made possible by your parents. Ahem.. Go Gateway!! WoohoO!
June 21, 200717 yr yeah, we are digressing! lol....seriously, i will be in Columbus this weekend and will make a point of visiting the place. I just drove by it, but it looked interesting from the car.
June 22, 200717 yr >quoted for South Campus Gateway and others are _cheap_ compared to what my friends are paying at NYU, PIAD, and even here at UK In college, I paid $125/mo and $220/mo in Cincinnati and even $77/mo in Tennessee. Right now I pay $330/mo. Why do I live in cheap places? Because my parents didn't and don't pay for stuff. And yes I am trying to make all of you whose parents pay for everything feel guilty. When you don't have the money, you don't have the dining "options", the shopping "options", etc. Why should someone feel guilty for having money, or from coming from money? If someone's parents want to shell out money so their kid can live in a nicer environment, that's their choice. I don't know why you're so bitter all the time about people having more money than you. If I may interject: It's not that anyone should be bitter about people having more money than others, be it a little or a lot. If parents want to pamper their children while in college that's fine, and that's pretty much expected if you're fortunate enough to attend an elite private school. It's just that these days even state universities are becoming increasingly unaffordable to prospective students from the poor and working class; not that this is the fault of the affluent, but in an effort to make them more selective, these schools are now catering to those with more bucks, creating an even greater class gap than ever. It's the middle class students that actually get hurt the most. Most lower class students can get considerable scholarships from the school as well as financial aid in other forms. The extremely rich can pay the tuition with no help. That leaves the kids whose parents make too much to qualify for aid, but not enough to pay the whole way through school.
June 22, 200717 yr >As for the loan deal, is it the parents paying off the loan while the child is in school? Or the child after he graduates? It's a murky area. You seem to have no familiarity with how the student loan program works. From what I remember your parents have to fill out something called a FAFSA where they give their taxable income from the previous year, total assets, etc. This is what determines which specific loan program you qualify for. If the income level is low enough you are eligible for grants but above a certain level you merely get the loans where the federal government pays the interest while you're in school and for six months afterward. Assuming you filled out the paperwork on time, the loan check shows up at the Bursar's office the first week of school and then you take it to the Registrar or whoever and that pays your tuition for the semester. You can also get loans above that to pay living expenses but from what I remember above about $8K they were unsubsidized. I remember I was running low on cash the one year and somebody told me all you had to do was fill out this little blue index card at the financial aid office and you got a check for like $1,800 the next week. So I went down to the financial aid office, filled out a little blue index card, and like the next Wednesday there was a check for something like $1,791 check in my mailbox! That's a big problem with the loans -- they're so easy to get it's tough to abstain from getting the full amount you're eligible for. >No, I was referring to people in college. I make plenty of money that I can afford a decent apartment, and I am saving for a downpayment on a new condo. Are you making $30/hr or something? If so, certainly 75% of UK is not making that kind of money. >I have friends who are making money working at Best Buy, being a waiter, doing internships and co-ops, and so on. There are plenty of jobs, if you want to do some legwork yourself, they are Yeah, I know all about them, considering I've made probably $100,000 at sub-$10/hr employment. Subs? Fried Chicken? Fork Lifts? Brooms and mops? I know all about that stuff. And to point out probably the biggest money-gobbler from my college career, I worked for two years anywhere between 20 and 40 hours a week for the campus newspaper for $50/week. They set that salary back around 1982 when $50 was more like $100. I still had a restaurant job on top of that, but obviously I could have made more money if I hadn't gone to meetings six days a week and hung out around the office doing work for a couple hours every day. So obviously that contributed a lot to the amount of money I had to borrow, but you can't put a price on the experience, the real friends, and the professional connections that came out of it. Also my parents moved and I only lived with them one summer, so I was stuck paying for rent and food during the summers unlike a lot of people. >A part time job is all a student can handle, and in most cases, it would barely cover a car payment and insurance, let alone rent, cell phone, textbooks, food etc. No kidding, that is what the loans are for. And here we get back to the central issue -- in this facilities and redevelopment arms race between universities, the people getting the bill are the students who will be saddled with this loan debt for years after graduation.
June 22, 200717 yr hah, what the hell? "And it's cheap, too!" I am assuming that the previous theater did not have parking adjacent or near the building. Since this is in the Gateway complex, it has a nearby parking garage.
July 4, 200717 yr You heard it here first...there was a shooting July 4 at about 2am at the Gateway. From what I gather someone was shot in the main staircase of the parking garage. There were about 20 police cruisers there because they needed so many bodies to simply keep the public from walking into the parking garage from its various entry points as well as the center Gateway alleyway. I briefly walked into the garage past a snoozing officer but was shooed away before I could take any decent photos. There were a few people being arrested and a lot of witnesses ordered to just sit around, probably at least 10.
July 4, 200717 yr You heard it here first...there was a shooting July 4 at about 2am at the Gateway. From what I gather someone was shot in the main staircase of the parking garage. There were about 20 police cruisers there because they needed so many bodies to simply keep the public from walking into the parking garage from its various entry points as well as the center Gateway alleyway. I briefly walked into the garage past a snoozing officer but was shooed away before I could take any decent photos. There were a few people being arrested and a lot of witnesses ordered to just sit around, probably at least 10. Well damnit...we might as well demolish the whole thing now.
July 4, 200717 yr This is from Channel 10's website, they have a video too but I couldn't get it to work. COLUMBUS, Ohio Columbus police said a 22-year-old man was charged Monday with an early-morning fatal shooting inside a campus-area parking garage. The shooting occurred at about 2:30 a.m. inside the South Campus Gateway parking garage on 11th Avenue near The Ohio State University, 10TV's Tino Ramos reported. Columbus police said there was some type of fight and at least one shot was fired. According to police, 21-year-old Todd Luckett was hit in the forehead. He was rushed to a local hospital in life-threatening condition, but died about an hour later, police said. Following the shooting, police who were in the area surrounded the garage and combed the area for clues. "First officers arrived at the scene, heard a gunshot," said Columbus police Sgt. P.J. Bahen. Bahen said officers immediately tried to seal-off the parking garage. "It makes it extremely difficult in the fact that it's an outdoor parking structure with plenty of ports of entry and exit," she said. "We have no idea how many people left the garage before it was locked down." Hours after the shooting, police said Dante Jones was arrested and charged with the shooting, Ramos reported. He is expected to be arraigned on Thursday. Stay with 10TV News and refresh 10TV.com for additional information. ###
July 4, 200717 yr I'm not going to post all of my photos up here but here are a few. I was the only person taking photos aside from the Channel 10 guy and I was only there with my camera by complete chance. I had actually just left a live music performance so my batteries were shot and couldn't really do what I wanted to do aside from having left the telephoto at home. >And? Big deal. Crime happens everywhere. Your doom and gloom is hilarious. Okay, let's rewind. The University tears down bars deemed "seedy" then builds new ones that attract hooligans and thinks there aren't going to be problems. There are bars which *never* have fights, then there are bars which have fights all the time. These Gateway bars attract hooligans, end of story. I have a gig doing bar promotions in Columbus so I have some sense of what the different places are like, aside from having been to bars all over the country.
July 4, 200717 yr Dude the place does not attract hooligans..it attracts young professionals, old professionals, college students, and occasional harmless weirdos. Its not a hangout for thugs. Old bars generally attract much more riff-raff. I don't think new construction ever promised to come with a force field keeping assasins out. I remember all the hype about Easton mall being "infultrated". Man it sure is unfortunate that people have to leave their subdivisions and be subjected to what goes on in the real world from time to time.
July 4, 200717 yr OMG new developments have crime! Have you been to the suburbs? They have crime too. And rich, fancy areas? They have crime too. Downtowns? Crime. Gated communities? Crime. It happens everywhere.
July 4, 200717 yr Those are some really photos of the scene though; thanks. I was in the short north a little earlier that night.
July 4, 200717 yr I got asked for change, by Skully's. I swear it was like he was about to attack me though!!
July 5, 200717 yr ^ Was it a homeless person or just some poor college bum? Either way, they are hooligans. Begging. And that constitutes crime.
July 5, 200717 yr Here is a slide show from Channel 10: http://www.10tv.com/?slideshow=sites/10tv/slideshows/ParkingGarageShooting070407/&slideshowTYPE=3 COLUMBUS, Ohio - A judge on Thursday set bond at $1 million for the accused gunman in a Fourth of July shooting that left one man dead. Dante Jones, 22, stands accused of fatally shooting 21-year-old Todd Lockett (pictured, right) inside the South Campus Gateway parking garage early Wednesday morning, 10TV's Tino Ramos reported. SLIDESHOW: Images From Scene According to police, Lockett and Jones got into a fight near the garage and the scuffle moved inside the structure. A short time later, Lockett was shot once in the forehead. He was rushed to the hospital but died a few hours later. Immediately after the shooting, police sealed-off the garage and questioned witnesses. Several hours later, police announced that Jones was arrested and charged with Lockett's murder, Ramos reported. During the arraignment it was revealed that Jones (pictured, left) admitted to being involved in the fight, but denied shooting Lockett, Ramos reported. Teronne Lockett, the victim's brother, spoke with 10TV following the arraignment. "It gives me relief that they've caught the man that killed my brother," he said. "But it still doesn't bring my brother back." Jones is expected to appear in court next Friday for a preliminary hearing. Stay with 10TV News and refresh 10TV.com for additional information.
July 5, 200717 yr I went back down to the garage on the 4th to see how good of a job they did cleaning up the mess. I couldn't see anything that was clearly leftover from the previous evening, but the stairway had the amonia (or whatever it is) smell from the cleaning solution they use. I was there for maybe 30 seconds when a large man confronted me and asked what I was doing. I think he was a police officer watching for people returning to the crime scene. Anyway I talked to a few random people and nobody was aware that there had been a shooting there, the press coverage has been terrible. Why? Because of the holiday nobody had their A-people up and humming. The Dispatch was a day late delivering any news on the event. Only Channel 10 and myself were on the scene, nobody else. I forgot to point out that the light you see on the side of the garage is coming from the police helicopter. Also I saw at least a half dozen officers with M-16's, I tried to get a picture of one of them walking back to his cruiser with one but he ran out of the frame and yelled at me. I don't push it when somebody's got a serious stick in their hands. But my point is that this was a big, big incident and because I was a little tardy getting there along me being just one person, the photos don't come close to showing what a big incident this was.
July 5, 200717 yr Dude the place does not attract hooligans..it attracts young professionals, old professionals, college students, and occasional harmless weirdos. Its not a hangout for thugs. Old bars generally attract much more riff-raff. I don't think new construction ever promised to come with a force field keeping assasins out. I remember all the hype about Easton mall being "infultrated". Man it sure is unfortunate that people have to leave their subdivisions and be subjected to what goes on in the real world from time to time. "young professionals" = "riff-raff" in Cynthia Rowley, Sonia Rykiel and Ralph Lauren! http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
July 5, 200717 yr Everyone knows they're slangin' crack out of the back room of the sunflower market.
July 5, 200717 yr I think the scarriest thing about this whole thing is how nonchalantly everyone is treating this......... just another shooting death...yawn.
July 5, 200717 yr The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 6,215. The number of murders and homicides was 109. The violent crime rate was 8.6 per 1,000 people. (http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=16549) 2005 numbers have it at 14.0 per 100,000 people, putting Columbus at #55 overall in the US. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934323.html) So yeah, business is booming.
July 5, 200717 yr Cincinnati has crime statistics by neighborhood every year including the current one. Does Columbus have something similar? Thats from 2003.
July 5, 200717 yr I think I cited it earlier for an earlier range, but I couldn't find year-by-year statistics for the region.
July 6, 200717 yr I read in the dispatch that the FBI crime statistics were not accurate. Columbus police tacked about 10-15 more homicides on the FBI's numbers. Murder rate wise, Columbus was #7 in the country in 2002 for big cities - TEN WORST LARGE CITIES FOR MURDER, 2002 CITY PER 100,000 (1) Washington, DC 45.8 (2) Detroit 42.0 (3) Baltimore 38.3 (4) Memphis 24.7 (5) Chicago 22.2 (6) Philadelphia 19.0 (7) Columbus 18.1 (8 Milwaukee 18.0 (9) Los Angeles 17.5 (10) Dallas 15.8 The numbers haven't changed too much according to Columbus Police --- The FBI somehow seems to think it's gone down, but I think I would trust local police over some FBI assistant compiling numbers from a "fact" sheet.
July 6, 200717 yr $100,000,000.00 of Ohio State money used to "improve safety" after Stephanie Hummer and this is the result.
July 6, 200717 yr ^The money was earmarked incorrectly; apparently it was spent to make the campus safe for "Stephanie's Hummer."
July 6, 200717 yr Now that the news is out, it's known that the individuals involved in the incident were not OSU students and did not live in an area where OSU students typically live. But that's the whole problem -- The Gateway is for all intents and purposes part of the OSU campus and given the atmosphere consciously created by those bars it's inevitable that trouble is going to happen. Except for Eddie George's and maybe Mad Mex which I've never been to the other three are meat markets and so fights are going to happen and happen often, aside from the fact that the DJ's and bar staff encourage mob-mindset behavior like more or less paying girls to dance on the bars and flash the crowd. The whole thing is a part of the raunch culture that's developed out of hip-hop in the past 15 years and has been identified by a lot of cultural observers as a totally unexpected and paradoxical symptom of the feminist movement, TV, and other phenomena. And despite their different interior themes, those three bars all play pretty much the exact same music (in fact I wouldn't doubt two of them have actually played the same song at the same time!) and attract an almost identical crowd except Skye Bar due to its vague techno leanings seems to attract more exchange students, Indians, and Asians. And can anyone explain to me why Journey has suddenly made a resurgence? I remember when those songs first came out and they were terrible, everything about the band was terrible, and now everyone born around 1986 is oddly going ape for them. The bigger problem and probably cause of this shooting is of course drugs, and if you don't think drugs aren't being used and changing hands at the Gateway just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes then you're naive. There is always a very tense bridge that exists between low-class but big-time drug dealers and the smaller-time guys who buy from them and then distribute in the bars, the dorms, and so on. If it were somehow possible to track it scientifically, I'd love to see just how much of the Summit & 5th area's "economy" is supported by OSU coke heads.
July 6, 200717 yr The whole thing is a part of the raunch culture that's developed out of hip-hop in the past 15 years and has been identified by a lot of cultural observers as a totally unexpected and paradoxical symptom of the feminist movement LOL! Can you explain more about this?
July 6, 200717 yr Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Chauvinist_Pigs:_Women_and_the_Rise_of_Raunch_Culture Those of us born in the 70's still remember a time before rap and the current situation whereas people born from about 1983 onward can't. People in college now spent their teenage years getting bombarded by Girls Gone Wild commercials, Viagra ads, had access to endless pornography on the internet, chatting online, cell phones, and music that's relentlessly insulting to women. There's simply no way people can't be affected by it.
July 6, 200717 yr ^Well I've run into this problem before talking to younger people about rap...they just don't believe me when I say rap was nothing but a blip in the pop world until at the very earliest around 1989. For sure, single rock groups like Guns 'n Roses were way, way bigger than all of rap put together. The Fat Boys were better known than NWA at the time and nobody talks about them now. Rap came very close to dying around that time because of the backlash against MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Beastie Boys, Snow, DC Talk, etc. Really it would have only taken one or two more things that ridiculous and one or two "real" rap groups to have not existed like Public Enemy and it would have been over. Well to illustrate my point about how different the mood (in fact the whole purpose) of the music is now, here are some vintage songs about killing your girlfriend/wife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZ50PjDTi8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JecyHi0YAw4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuqUqNuh2nQ
July 8, 200717 yr JMeck you know what I like about books that talk about pop culture? ANYONE can write one! I love reading books by newspaper columnists that think they have pop culture figured out. I thoroughly enjoyed the book I read last year about how pop culture is making us so much smarter. It even suggests that we question whether or not chocolate pudding and other junk food are REALLY bad for us, that perhaps in 200 years we'll find out that it is basically what raw vegetables are percieved as today! There are many feminists who don't believe women are empowered through wet t-shirt contests and rainbow parties. Rap music has pushed the envelope, but the envelope has always been pushed further in our culture; it didn't just start with feminism or rap music. I personally think that music is a reflection of culture as opposed to culture being a reflection of music. A person's role models as well as their socio-economic role will affect a person's character a lot more than a song on the radio. The problem with your post is the arrogant undertone behind every post regarding morals. As if you're on some moral highground from being 6 years older than someone like me who grew up in the 90s as opposed to the late 80s. Please...
July 9, 200717 yr Today's mainstream rap is just hair rock. Outrageous clothing, slutty subject manner, expensive cars, lack of substance and uncreative songwriting are the same whether poofy haired white kids with pink guitars or black guys with cartoonishly large clothing make it.
July 10, 200717 yr wait -- rap was hardly only a blip in the pop world before 1989. its been full on mainstream since run-dmc's first in 1984. in fact i believe shortly later grunge was promoted in order to try to slow down its runaway popularity. after they fiiiiinally broke the color barrier on mtv -- 'yo mtv raps' started getting way too popular. your conspiracy theory of the day. it's like that. and that's the way it is.
July 10, 200717 yr >I personally think that music is a reflection of culture as opposed to culture being a reflection of music. No, I think whatever's popular is 90% because because of how it's packaged and thrust on the people by media companies. Things like the jam band scene and the real (not that California junk) punk scene are out there happening totally independent of big companies but they're sure as hell not on tv or the radio. I asked around this weekend as to why Journey has made a comeback and somebody told me it was on an episode of Family Guy and something else at roughly the same time. That leads me to believe that "Black Betty" by Ram Jam is on some movie or TV soundtrack as well. That song was pretty obscure for a long time and now suddenly meat market DJ's are playing it, well at least the first verse before the weird off-beat bridge. Really, anything at any time can be made popular again, Spuds Mackenzie, Beer Wolf, etc. are all waiting for their day back in the sunshine. Music and especially movies have a tremendous effect on what people know and how they think about things. Movies have greater authority than pretty much anything else...once just a few months after reading a monograph on the Jamestown Colony someone was absolutely sure that John Smith married Pocahontas because that's how it happens in the Disney movie. Well there is no historical record that John Smith ever made out with Pocahontas and in fact there is no record he ever had any relationship of any kind. It got pretty heated because I couldn't believe this dude, who by the way was my boss, refused to believe that a book I had read was correct and Disney just made shit up to play with people's emotions. There's no theme park where you go to see how great records were made unlike Disney MGM studios or Universal...people continue to be fascinated by movie celebrities and how movies are made. For me, music was always an area of intense interest and I never cared about movies when I was a kid or now. And how much of MTV's programming in the late 80's was rap? Maybe one hour a day. The name of the news program after all was "This day in Rock", not "This day in Rap". I wouldn't doubt Tom Petty got more airplay on MTV in the 80's than any rap group and you sure as hell wouldn't see him on there now. Heck, I remember Roy Orbison videos on MTV! There's this way "The 80's" are being packaged these days that don't really reflect the full range of what was going on. But people allow the media to tell them how things were and how to think about them. I'll give an example...if you have a party illuminated just by colored light bulbs but use a flash on your camera it'll wash everything out. Eventually you'll forget looking at the photos that there were colored light bulbs at all and that the light level was low. The media is full of that kind of stuff, some unintentional like that, but a whole lot of it intentional.
July 10, 200717 yr Perv! LOL Seicer it was the night of red white and boom. You think thats weird, you should go downtown :-D
July 10, 200717 yr well just for the record black betty by ram jam was a very, very popular hit song and later often played at sports arenas, so it never really went away. also, there is no theme park where you can go see classic records made, but all is not lost there are documentaries. for example, there is a dvd of the making of born to run that is fascinating in parts. as for mtv, they were racist in the extreme and had to be dragged late into the rap era kicking and screaming. yo was a hit and rawk was on its deathbed so of course it had to stopped. thus grunge. didnt work.
July 10, 200717 yr ^^^ MTV is more racist now that it's mostly the type of rap that makes young blacks look like fools. No black people on TV is less racist than only showing negative imagery of blacks.
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