March 22, 200817 yr Rumors can happen :). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 22, 200817 yr And actually, a Marc's WOULD do rather well for that space (lol @ drive-thru demographic). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 23, 200817 yr Deep grocery discounts downstairs, crazy-ass closeouts up: I'm tellin' ya: Marc's = A slice of Hamtramck in Columbus.
April 1, 200817 yr Jake should be drooling over this!! :wink: Suspect in campus-area garage shooting turns himself in By Debbie Gebolys, Columbus Dispatch, April 1, 2008 The Gahanna man suspected of an early Sunday morning shooting in the Campus Gateway parking garage turned himself in to police late last night. Ricardo Conley, 27, was identified within hours of the shooting as the suspect in the shooting, and Columbus police issued a warrant for his arrest for felonious assault. A fight on the third floor of the parking garage accelerated into the shooting, police said. The victim, Nevin Cousin Jr., 25, of Columbus was reported in critical condition at OSU Medical Center with a gunshot wound to his neck. Conley turned himself into police and was being questioned at the Franklin County jail around 11 p.m. Click hyperlink above, for full article.
April 2, 200817 yr I was idling at a red light at the corner of Broad & High this past Sunday and saw the news splash across the new digital board...I had a double-take thinking maybe it was April Fool's already.
April 3, 200817 yr Victim dies in Campus Gateway parking garage shooting Wednesday, April 2, 2008 - 10:43 AM The Columbus Dispatch The Gahanna man accused in a shooting early Sunday in the South Campus Gateway parking garage now faces a murder charge after the victim died overnight. The victim, Nevin Cousin Jr., 25, of Columbus was in critical condition all week at Ohio State University Medical Center with a gunshot wound to his neck. He died at 12:15 a.m. today after being taken off life support. Ricardo Conley, 27, of 503 Hemston Court was identified as a suspect within hours of the 2:39 a.m. shooting. He surrendered to police Monday night to face a charge of felonious assault. He posted bond and was released Tuesday but was rearrested this morning after the murder charge was filed. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/04/02/gate.html?sid=101
April 7, 200817 yr Killing tarnishes Gateway's safe image Video surveillance part of effort to guard South Campus area Monday, April 7, 2008 By John Futty, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Crime is an ongoing problem in the University District, but some residents were surprised by news of a second fatal shooting in the past nine months in the South Campus Gateway parking garage. "I'm shocked," said Seth Golding, a University Area commissioner. "They have a stellar security presence at Gateway." Golding is among the people who live north of Gateway and complain that the dining and entertainment complex has pushed crime and problem businesses in their direction. He considers Gateway, located along N. High Street between Chittenden and 9th avenues, one of the "most unlikely places" in the neighborhood for violent crime. View full article here: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/04/07/gateway.ART_ART_04-07-08_A1_R39RAIJ.html?sid=101
April 8, 200817 yr I lived at 60 Chittenden Ave. while attending OSU in the mid 80's. There was crime and violence but nothing like there is today. I remember one drug related murder after coming out of Mean Mr. Mustards late one evening but that was about it. At least these thugs knew each other. The last person murdered in the Gateway garage didn't know his killer. This won't make me feel safe the next time I visit the Gateway.
April 8, 200817 yr This won't make me feel safe the next time I visit the Gateway. Really? Do you plan on hanging out in the garage at 3am? Just because two drunken kids got in a late-night fight doesn't mean the Gateway is an unsafe place for normal people during the day. I'm there at least once a week and I've never felt unsafe at all.
April 9, 200817 yr Agreed. The South Campus Gateway is one of the LAST places I feel "unsafe" in. Americans are getting weaker by the day... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 9, 200817 yr Gateway is safe, but so was South Campus on High street before Campus Partners. Yes, I know, I need to let it go.
April 9, 200817 yr Let's not forget the rumor that the guy who disappeared from the Ugly Tuna fell into the wet concrete of the Lane Ave. bridge while the piers were hardening. What OSU doesn't want to admit is that they and other universities can beat the binge drinking drum all day long, but fact is college students do tons of drugs and people buy and sell drugs in places like the Gateway bars and/or run into people who owe them money in the parking garage.
April 9, 200817 yr ^Once the bars returned to High Street, riots have subsided. (well, that and the results of the last two national championship games)
April 9, 200817 yr This won't make me feel safe the next time I visit the Gateway. Really? Do you plan on hanging out in the garage at 3am? Just because two drunken kids got in a late-night fight doesn't mean the Gateway is an unsafe place for normal people during the day. I'm there at least once a week and I've never felt unsafe at all. I consider myself a "normal" person but it is possible that I would be at Skye Bar until closing and therefore be in the garage around that time. And the real question to ask is why someone coming to the gateway has a gun in the first place.
April 9, 200817 yr I consider myself a "normal" person but it is possible that I would be at Skye Bar until closing and therefore be in the garage around that time. And the real question to ask is why someone coming to the gateway has a gun in the first place. In a perfect world, we would all have concealed weapons and non-psychopathic people would be trained in the art of Krav Maga. :angel:
April 10, 200817 yr And the real question to ask is why someone coming to the gateway has a gun in the first place. Probably for same reason that the same person would have had that gun on them at Easton or Polaris or anywhere else they went.
April 10, 200817 yr PS: You should probably avoid going anywhere near the Arena District during any time of day as well. And if you must go there, be especially wary of anyone carrying concealed fists. http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/news.apx.-content-articles-CMH-2008-04-09-0001.html NBC4: Making people paranoid since 1949.
April 10, 200817 yr Author Dammit Gahanna, keep your suburban trash out of my city! It seems as though the angle is how unsafe the city is even though the shooter was from Gahanna within a stone's throw from Creekside. Better not go to Creekside now, who knows how many possible killers also live nearby. Really this is just ridiculous and if you didn't know before don't get into an altercation with someone in an alley, parking garage, or other out-of-sight spot.
August 7, 200816 yr Changes at the Gateway Open storefronts make way for new businesses August 6, 2008 By Sarah Ledford Uweekly.com The Gateway is home to numerous bars, restaurants, and retail stores. Conveniently located, the area offers entertainment and shopping for students on and around campus. However, aside from the music, lights, and trendy shops, the newly revamped area had been losing a bit of its glamour in recent months as storefronts were slowly being replaced by signs of vacancy. Despite the flight of some businesses, many others continue to flourish in the area and generate adequate business. And developers say there is more to come. "We've got a strong mix of national tenants like Barnes and Nobles and Panera…some of the strongest stores performing in the entire country," Jim Heinen, General Manager for the Gateway said. "But then we've also got this mix of smaller entrepreneurs, which are often very high risk, to see if they're going to go ahead and make it." "Our apartments are full, we've got a waiting list for undergraduates until the 2009-2010 year, the parking garage is extremely successful, so those things are going really well," he said. "It's just that the retail is difficult right now and the economy definitely isn't helping anybody." "Things are being done from an urban renewal standpoint, and there is not a comparative benchmark — that's part of the challenge — nobody else is doing this," he said. "You can't compare us to a Polaris; you can't compare us to an Easton, because they don't have that student based population." Read more at http://uweekly.com/newsmag/08-06-2008/8928
November 22, 200816 yr I take offense to the remark about "...two drunken kids." One of those men was the killer of an innocent person trying to leave a parking garage. The other--the victim--was my nephew; his mother's last son; and a father of young children. This is not an instance where victim and coldblooded murderer should be lumped into the same sentence, let alone the same category.
December 17, 200816 yr Sorry. I didn't mean to offend, and perhaps I posted hastily. My point had little to do with the victim himself and more with reiterating the fact that the crime happened at 2:20am on a weekend, which has absolutely no reason to make anyone feel unsafe visiting the Gateway during daytime hours. I'm sorry for your loss.
March 7, 200916 yr Two treats now under one roof Tim Hortons, Cold Stone Creamery pair up at South Campus Gateway Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 3:01 AM By Bill Chronister, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH The co-branding concept has come home to roost in the South Campus Gateway. In recent days, a single restaurant site now offers both Cold Stone Creamery's ice cream and Tim Hortons' coffee, baked goods, sandwiches and soups. The plan for this particular co-branding experiment was hatched a little more than a year ago by the two companies and is expected to spread quickly. As early as March, at least one more Cold Stone and a couple of Tim Hortons in central Ohio could be offering the other's products, the companies' officials said. Chief executives Paul House of Tim Hortons Inc. and Kevin Blackwell of Kahala Corp., Cold Stone's parent, met at an industry event early last year, said Lee Knowlton, chief operating officer of Phoenix-based Kahala. Their conversation started a series of discussions that led to the creation of two test stores in Rhode Island. View full article here: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2009/02/17/rest0217.ART_ART_02-17-09_C10_TCCUJ33.html?sid=101
May 16, 200916 yr Five Guys Opens South Campus Gateway Location Five Guys Burgers and Fries continues their expansion into the Columbus market with their second location opening on Friday, May 15th at the South Campus Gateway. The DC-based chain announced plans last summer to open 20 stores in Central Ohio over the next three to four years. Two more locations have been announced as “coming soon” on the Five Guys website at http://www.fiveguys.com/ including one at Easton and one on Stringtown Road in Grove City. http://www.columbusunderground.com/five-guys-opens-south-campus-gateway-location
July 6, 200915 yr OSU area gets boost from new projects Monday, July 6, 2009 3:32 AM By Encarnacion Pyle THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH A private developer is about to break ground on an 82-unit luxury apartment complex for students near Ohio State University. It is just the latest example of how the South Campus Gateway -- a bustling stretch of apartments, entertainment, restaurants and shops along High Street -- is helping to revitalize the University District, according to residents and several business owners. "The South Campus Gateway is transforming the neighborhood by creating an inviting and nice-looking place for people to live, work and play, which has spawned more development," said Ian MacConnell, chairman of the University Area Commission. "Between $100 (million) and $200 million in private money has been poured into the University District in the last five to seven years," said Bill Graver, president of the University Community Business Association. View full article here: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/07/06/OSU_development.ART_ART_07-06-09_B1_KAECV4R.html?sid=101
July 6, 200915 yr ^well that is great. When did Papa Joe's burn down, 1995? Ever since that they used the threat of emminent domain to strangle the businesses that were there. They took what was a neighborhood center, that could have used some TLC, and turned it into a dangerous ghost town so they could build thier $100 Million mall. The University spent the $100MM at a time when tuition was going up the maximum under state law. So we get what, one spin off development in 14 years? Arg, sorry but Campus Partners hits a nerve with me.
July 6, 200915 yr So we get what, one spin off development in 14 years? Whatever one feels about the South Campus Gateway project, there's been more than one spin-off development in 14 years. The on-going projects in the adjacent Weinland Park neighborhood have been well documented in the Central Ohio Construction & Projects thread "Columbus: New hope for Weinland Park". Below is a listing of some of those recent developments: • East Village • Columbus Coated Fabrics site • Wagenbrenner - Auld site • E. 11th Avenue rowhouses • High Street Kroger redevelopment • Euclid & High Infill Development And if you go one block north of Gateway, you will find OSU's massive New Ohio Union project.
July 6, 200915 yr I watched those bars burn down. It wasn't just Papa Joe's, it was an entire block. Qui Bono? Those bars' refusal to sell had held up the Campus Partners vision for too long. Something had to be done. This was the feeling in the air at the time. No one knows what actually happened. It was just very convenient that the bars all burnt down right at the height of this conflict over whether they should continue existing. I like what's been built there since, but what was lost was organic and irreplacable. I'm not sure a "transformation" of South Campus was ever necessary.
July 6, 200915 yr It wasn't just bars, it was banks, restuarants, a big bear bakery, bike shops, record stores, barber shops, etc. When the university said it would use emminent domain to take all of the property, all new investment in the area ceased. Oh, don't get me started. Suffice it to say, I lived and worked on South Campus before and during Campus Partner's push for urban renewal via the bulldozer
July 6, 200915 yr I was referring only to the fire, not to any of the subsequent demolitions. Whatever our opinion of the group I do think they've adhered to good design standards in everything they've built there. This has softened my opinion of the project over the years. Other nearby cities could learn a lot from Columbus in this regard.
July 6, 200915 yr So we get what, one spin off development in 14 years? Whatever one feels about the South Campus Gateway project, there's been more than one spin-off development in 14 years. The on-going projects in the adjacent Weinland Park neighborhood have been well documented in the Central Ohio Construction & Projects thread "Columbus: New hope for Weinland Park". Below is a listing of some of those recent developments: East Village Columbus Coated Fabrics site Wagenbrenner - Auld site E. 11th Avenue rowhouses High Street Kroger redevelopment Euclid & High Infill Development And if you go one block north of Gateway, you will find OSU's massive New Ohio Union project. I was talking about private development, not University money All of those listed projects are private developments. Only the New Ohio Union is university.
July 6, 200915 yr The darker thing about Campus Partners is their puritanical social engineering. They didn't just want the bars gone because they had different ideas for the land, they wanted the bars gone because bars are wrong. Kids in college shouldn't be drinking. They should be going to fellowship meetings with their pastor. Or, apparently, they should be spending student loan money on Wexner's merchandise. If they're going to buy a beer, they should buy it from Eddie George and pay twice as much... from their student loans. None of this was done for the benefit of the students. It was done to make the rich richer at students' expense. When all that gets wrapped up in a faux-religious message, I tend to vomit.
July 6, 200915 yr I would say that colleges all across the country made a concerted effort beginning in the mid-90s to eliminate their bar districts - some were more successful than others. The 21 drinking age changed the relationship between college bars, alcohol and the university community.
July 6, 200915 yr ^ Good point, Gee was in charge then just as now... and he's currently advocating a lower drinking age. It does seem like the OSU experience with this has been especially harsh, no? OSU leveled what may have been the busiest college bar district in the country. They did it quickly and aggressively, with overt plans to replace the bars with shopping-mall amenities that no student was asking for. The 21 drinking age had been around for decades by the mid-90s. What changed was Campus Partners coming on the scene. I can't really speak for other colleges. Toledo never had much of a bar scene, but it too has shrunk since the 90s. It seems like colleges around Cleveland would like to see more student hangouts develop, not less.
July 6, 200915 yr Author It is just the latest example of how the South Campus Gateway -- a bustling stretch of apartments, entertainment, restaurants and shops along High Street -- is helping to revitalize the University District, according to residents and several business owners. This is misleading, since much of the area is already vibrant. From the vomiting-inducing fratboy culture of East Campus to the hipster-haven that is Washinngton Beach, Weinland Park is really the only part that needs to be revitalized. Like I said before, OSU could easily have cleaned up the neighborhood sooner instead of letting slumlords who allow gangsters and other criminals to set up shop there and terrorize the nearby student body.
July 7, 200915 yr I think OSU is a fine university and I live the football team. With that said, besides the fact that I am from Columbus and wanted to see what other cities were like, I felt that even in 1998-2003 (when I was in college) that the OSU area was too sterile. When it was time for grad school (first Master's was from '03 to '05 and second was in '06-07) I ended up going to Marshall and then UC. Why? I think a big part of it was that Columbus had no Downtown Huntington bar strip, or a Short Vine or the rough 'n cheap bars/businesses I was used to from going to college at Shawnee State in Portsmouth. Different strokes for different folks, though. Some people like the Athenses and Morgantowns of the world, others like the Easton-like experiences and yet others want something in the middle, like I did.
July 7, 200915 yr Actually the 21 drinking age was forced on Ohio only around 1990, which was one of the last states in the country to change the rules - though Ohio had the 3.2 rule for the younger crowd.
July 7, 200915 yr I'm 29. To this day I visit the South Campus Gateway for an occasional movie, food, or to hit a shop like Gamestop. If the area were still shitty dive bars... well... I can't say I'd ever set foot there. So from a purely selfish perspective, the South Campus Gateway works for me.
July 7, 200915 yr I think OSU is a fine university and I live the football team. With that said, besides the fact that I am from Columbus and wanted to see what other cities were like, I felt that even in 1998-2003 (when I was in college) that the OSU area was too sterile. When it was time for grad school (first Master's was from '03 to '05 and second was in '06-07) I ended up going to Marshall and then UC. Why? I think a big part of it was that Columbus had no Downtown Huntington bar strip, or a Short Vine or the rough 'n cheap bars/businesses I was used to from going to college at Shawnee State in Portsmouth. Different strokes for different folks, though. Some people like the Athenses and Morgantowns of the world, others like the Easton-like experiences and yet others want something in the middle, like I did. I have to agree with the sterile part. There are indeed glimmers of uniqueness on the OSU campus; Singing Dog records and that whole stretch of brownstone businesses on Chittendon at High. Evolved is cool. Ruby Tuesday near Summit and Lane and Cafe Bohemia at Chittendon & Summit. There are also some interesting things on High just south of Arcadia, and things seem to vary up once you leave campus and get up into Clintonville. But really, you could squish all this together and have maybe two blocks worth of interesting stuff. The rest is shot through with painfully generic chain stuff--Subways and Jimmy Johns and CVS and UDF (incidentally, I cherish the UDF in the Short North for all the grief it causes the Italian Village Society). South Campus Gateway is pleasant, but it is perfectly unmemorable. It works for many. Just not very hard. I just got back from Austin, TX where, by design, it's nearly impossible to find chain stores and franchise restaurants in many parts of town. The contrast with Columbus is breathtaking and disheartening, and the Gateway completely spikes it.
July 7, 200915 yr just to bemoan the point, but Singing Dog was one of the non-bar entities that made South Campus, along with Firdous middle eastern restaurant, the bike shops, Magnolia Thunderpussy, Pappa Joes, Waterbeds and stuff, Greek Village, Sandros :) , Rivelle's Pizza, a few other pizza places, the convenience store, banks, barber shop.... The "sh!tty" dive bars included Papa Joe's, basically the south campus varsity club, Skully's, Not Al's Rockers, Not Al's Pub, Cornerstone, Sloopy's, Maxwell's, Paninni's, and a few crappy dance clubs. It used to team with so much life that the cops would have to set up a metal rope on the sidewalk so the crowds would not spill over onto the street. So, if you just took the "sh!tty" bars away, you still had a unique neighborhood. It could have used some TLC, no doubt, but it did not need a bulldozer and a mini-Easton. Imagine if that type of help was used in the Short North back in the early 90's. Instead of the thriving neighborhood center of unique places to visit, you had a half empty shopping center.
July 7, 200915 yr ^Oh yeah, extra points to Campus Parnter for evicting Insomnia at about the same time they arrainged to have a Starbucks come in a few doors down.
July 7, 200915 yr Anybody remember when Skully's was Skankland? Those were the days. And while we're in the neighborhood, a moment of silence for Little Brothers, please. Okay, back up to South Campus.
July 7, 200915 yr Does anyone remember Charberts and the Char-Bar? Never mind, that was back in the 70's (and I think they originated in the 50's!), when the area was a leftover hippie haven...lol The campus area was so much more grungy then, like a campus area should be! It sounds completely oppressive now. I suppose the yuppie baby boomers whose kids attend OSU now must need the comfort of knowing that junior is in a safe place... http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
July 7, 200915 yr Author There are the neighborhoods in Old North Columbus like Washington Beach which are great, as they are not overrun by fratboy culture and chains. While the gateway took away more organic development, there's still High north of Lane along with pockets of life on Summit (Cafe Bourbon Street, Rumba Cafe, etc). Even though it closes too early, I'll spend a night out at the aforementioned locales or Kafe Kerouac over any nightspot in the Gateway. It's a shame road construction has ended up closing retail up there too. Looks like the higher number empty storefronts on High serve as an unofficial gateway to those entering the south and north of campus.
July 15, 200915 yr The "sh!tty" dive bars included Papa Joe's, basically the south campus varsity club, Skully's, Not Al's Rockers, Not Al's Pub, Cornerstone, Sloopy's, Maxwell's, Paninni's, and a few crappy dance clubs. It used to team with so much life that the cops would have to set up a metal rope on the sidewalk so the crowds would not spill over onto the street. So, if you just took the "sh!tty" bars away, you still had a unique neighborhood. It could have used some TLC, no doubt, but it did not need a bulldozer and a mini-Easton. Imagine if that type of help was used in the Short North back in the early 90's. Instead of the thriving neighborhood center of unique places to visit, you had a half empty shopping center. You bring up a very good point here. The neighborhood in its new form has never had the vibrancy the old neighborhood had. There used to be an arcade there too called The Silver Ball, I believe... and then there was The Spot...
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