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Well, that's understandable.  Now I don't know how large land purchases like this really work, but I'd think that it would take a while to work out the details.  And if both sides agree to go beyond the 'deadline' there shouldn't be any problem with that.

 

EDIT:

I found a link to a new article by Golfstyles.  It goes more into depth about the golf course, who may be building it, etc.  There's also a new overhead diagram/map of the development.  There's a name of a developer, I think, in the left bottom corner though it's pretty small and hard to read.  Can anyone make that out?  The map looks expanded all the way to the lake, too, and different than the past ones.

I'd say it's worth a read..

http://www.golfstyles.net/ohio/e-magazine/2006-03/005-business-amherst.htm

That is a map of Lakeview Bluffs the resort out in Lake County.  But the article is about Cleveland Quarries... very interesting..

lol..someone should probably notify them about that.  I was wondering how a huge river and a pennisula I never knew about suddenly appeared there.  And Lakeview Bluffs.. new resort development?  I hadn't heard about it until now. It looks interesting though.

  • 1 month later...

going....going.....gone?

 

 

 

 

Quarry deal questioned

MATT SUMAN, Morning Journal Writer

05/18/2006

 

 

ELYRIA -- After nearly six months of negotiations with no deal in place, at least one county official says his confidence in the proposed $1.5 billion development of Cleveland Quarries is waning.

 

 

County Administrator Jim Cordes earlier this year touted the development -- which officials have said would include shopping and residential areas, as well as a golf course and resort in South Amherst Village and Brownhelm and Amherst townships -- as the ''story of the year.''

 

 

Sad

Well, I'm still optimistic about it.  I mean you'd kinda figure that a $1.5 billion deal would take a while to work the details out.  They can't really rush something that large..

I always thought somehow this project was destined to flop at some stage in the game. The whole idea just sounded crazy to me.

Devil’s in the details for $1.25 billion Quarries project

Brad Dicken

The Chronicle-Telegram

 

The deal to build a 900-acre development was supposed to close in March, but two months later the parties involved are still trying to reach an agreement.

 

That doesn’t mean the $1.25 billion deal is dead, said Patrick Gallagher, a spokesman for American Stone, which owns a large portion of Cleveland Quarries where the bulk of the project will be built.

 

“It’s definitely still alive and the parties are talking,” he said.

 

 

http://www.chroniclet.com/2006_Archive/05-19-06/Daily%20Pages/051906local4.html

 

  • 2 weeks later...

Cordes says his optimism 'renewed' for quarry project

 

ALEX M. PARKER

Morning Journal Writer

05/25/2006

 

ELYRIA -- A day after meeting with two European developers working with a British-based company on the proposed Cleveland Quarries re-development, County Administrator Jim Cordes said he has ''renewed optimism'' the project will see the light of day.

 

 

Last week, Cordes said he had only ''guarded optimism'' the $1.5 billion plan to build a world-class resort, championship golf course, shopping and housing over 900 acres of dormant quarry in South Amherst Village and Brownhelm and Amherst townships would come to fruition.

 

Yesterday, Cordes said he met with two ''potential collaborators'' that he said could team up with Trans European Securities, the English developer that originally proposed the deal.

 

 

  • 3 weeks later...

From the 6/14/06 Elyria Chronicle-Telegram:

 

 

Quarries developer locks in financing to buy property

Joseph Medici

The Chronicle-Telegram

The European company that wants to build a $1.25 billion development at the Cleveland Quarries site has the financing to buy the property, according to Ron Twining, county community development director. But the purchase could still take another four months.

 

TransEuropean Securities, the company behind the project, has received preliminary site plan and zoning approvals and has acquired the funding needed for the project, Twining said, but construction can’t start until the land is purchased.

 

 

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=16786367&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=566374&rfi=8

 

hmm..nice.  That's interesting how Twining mentions Lorain County is now switching over to a service economy, instead of the industrial economy its had for the longest time.

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"Once the sale goes through, the first phase of the project — a golf course — could open as early as 2009....Subsequent phases of the 900-acre project are scheduled to include the construction of residential, entertainment and shopping areas over the next 30 years."

 

i find it fishy, err i mean interesting, how given all the development they have been talking about, the highrises, all the housing, the quirky quarry waterpark, the marina, the airport....that the first thing they are going to build is a....golf course.

 

things that make ya go hmmm.

 

ooo a golf course by the time Pesht, The Avenue, and Stonebridge, University Circle stuff is scheduled for completion... i know ill be hanging out in Amherst!

Yesssssss.  More golf courses.  Actually a real well designed championship golf course can be a real economic benefit, as well as a selling point for the housing etc.

^ sooner if they are relying strictly on pre-sales and sales then you can slice a billion plus bucks off the project - lol.

 

as for a championship course? well, that's what i always said this project was at best, a golf course housing development! ohio already has the muirfield standard. inverness in toledo? how ya gonna beat those? maybe they can, good luck. heck, there is already a golf course/housing development combo just north of this in lorain's far west end. it's called oak hills and was built out in the 1970's. been there, done that already in the area.

 

i wonder if the whole thing is a hoax? that would be, err par for the course for lorain county, which has a long history of crazy schemes like this that never came to be.

 

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I feel some news coming up soon here with this whole thing..

'Heavy-hitters' to join group planning to build $1.5 billion quarry resort

MATT SUMAN, Morning Journal Writer

08/22/2006

 

SOUTH AMHERST -- British investors planning a $1.5 billion resort project in South Amherst appear to be close to a deal with American Stone to buy 900 acres of quarry land, nearly five months after missing a self-imposed deadline to reach an agreement.

 

 

But the deal between American Stone and Trans European Securities could be different than the $15.25 million deal both sides agreed to in principle last year because another group of ''heavy hitters'' are expected to come aboard with Trans European, according to County Administrator Jim Cordes.

 

''There's some different options on the table that are unique,'' he said.

 

 

I feel some news coming up soon here with this whole thing..

 

How did you know?!

oh lame, have i mentioned that i hope this thing fails?  we dont need more ridiculous sprawl

lol, this project is so bizarre (and I hope it fails too!).

The Trans European investors involved in the project have been away on vacation since last month, but they are returning soon, Schildhouse said. The original deadline to complete the deal was March 31.

 

give me a break.  this is bizzare.  if you want to get something done, you do it, especially with this kind of money.  it sounds like they are playing with inherited money and didn't make it themselves.

 

Quote from: jskiboarder on August 21, 2006, 09:43:19 PM

I feel some news coming up soon here with this whole thing..

 

 

How did you know?!

 

 

I just FELT it man...

 

lol how crazy is that though, the very next day there is an article after posting that comment.  :lol:

the problem with that new article is that it did not say a thing.

 

reminds me of that whacky key eagles 'hotel california' line:

 

"they stabbed it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast."

Quote from: jskiboarder on August 21, 2006, 09:43:19 PM

I feel some news coming up soon here with this whole thing..

 

How did you know?!

 

I just FELT it man...

 

lol how crazy is that though, the very next day there is an article after posting that comment.  :lol:

 

Did you feel this one?

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/lorain/115649514972630.xml&coll=2

 

 

 

[email protected], 440-934-0522

 

 

  • 2 months later...

Nah, I didn't feel that one, but...

 

*meditates and looks into future*

 

I feel some more news coming up soon here..?

  • 3 weeks later...

Well I guess I miscalculated my future prediction skills on that one.  But seriously, there's gotta be some news on this happenin any time now.

consider it dead

ding dong the witch is dead..

and i was looking forward to being Dubai-Lite

please you guys...you can't kill what never was. never trust the brits, they dragged us into two world wars. heh. seriously the whole thing was a farce. how lorain county to be taken in by wacky schemes like that. oh well. for a positive spin, look for a decent golf course around there someday.

  • 3 weeks later...

Well if it is dead, don't you think there would at least be some news about that?  I'd like to hear something one way the other.  Ah well, I guess I'll have to test out Corner Alley tonight and get my inquisitive mind off this for now..

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Is there a unspoken policy (or spoken) on UO that dictates when a project is moved from the "Projects and Construction" container to the "Abandoned" container?

i'm waiting for a definitive announcement, or when people like you bump these old posts.

There was just another big article this past Sun. in the morning journal about this.  I can't remember exactly what it said but basically just said the project is still going foward, talks have been going on between Ron Twining, Jim Cordes & Neil Pike...and of course the Quarries owner.

 

They are ironing the details out basically, and told people to get a grip and be patient because Big Stuff like this takes time, DANG IT!

 

I'll try to find and post the article later on if I get some time.

 

It is back from the Dead!  for now.

not exactly, there is no new news here. the locals players are just summarizing up all the time and money they spent. the mystery brit developers and even their lawyer spokesperson were unavailable for comment and remain in the shadows.  :|

 

 

County spends $450,000 on quarry

MATT SUMAN, Morning Journal Writer

01/24/2007

 

ELYRIA -- Over the past two years, Lorain County government has spent $450,000 toward plans for developing a $1.5 billion resort in South Amherst, while county department heads have seen their 2007 budgets cut and the commissioners have mentioned a possible sales tax increase.

 

In December 2005, British-based Trans European Securities agreed to in principle to buy 900 acres of American Stone Corp.'s property near the SR 133 and Quarry Road. The parties announced that the deal was expected to close in March 2005, but it still has not yet been finalized.

 

 

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17743049&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=6

 

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From crainscleveland.com:

 

Quarry deal crumbles

 

By SCOTT SUTTELL

 

2:25 pm, March 8, 2007

 

 

Quarry operator American Stone Industries Inc. (Pink Sheets: AMST) of Amherst said it formally has terminated its proposed deal to sell 989 acres in Lorain County to Trans European Securities International LLP, a European consortium.

 

The action concludes nearly four years of negotiations and agreements between American Stone and Trans European.

 

 

no more "Destination South Amherst"

 

:)

pd:

 

Quarry project plans fall through

Developer lacks money for S. Amherst land

Friday, March 09, 2007

Molly Kavanaugh

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

South Amherst - After four years of missed deadlines, public money and great excitement, the $1.25 billion deal to turn 900 acres of woods and quarries into an upscale housing and entertainment resort has crumbled.

 

American Stone Chairman Thomas Roulston made the announcement Thursday, nearly a year after the contract with British development company Trans European Securities International had expired.

 

Despite numerous assurances from Trans European architect Neil Pike, the company failed to come up with $15.2 million to purchase the property from American Stone, Roulston said.

 

"We've got to make an announcement for our shareholders so they know where we stand," he said.

 

 

[email protected], 440-324-3788

I'm kinda glad that this project didn't happen.  We have enough sprawl as it is.

I'm kinda glad that this project didn't happen.  We have enough sprawl as it is.

 

its only a matter of time before we have "homes from the 200s!" there.

 

be patient

well whaddaya know? so at last we get the official fork in.

 

hmm, i could never even get up an x-files 'i want to believe' for this, it was just rotten from the start.

 

i feel bad the county and the locals wasted so much money, time and effort on these carpetbagging british shysters. they must have gotten charmed by the accents or something.

 

i feel bad for steele and js too. they sure 'wanted to believe.'

 

ah well, keep your golf clubs cleaned and ready you guys, that might still happen someday.

 

Good night, Cleveland Quarries. goodnight.gif

 

Hello SOS (Same Old Sprawl) to justify the county's expense. wallbash.gif

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 4 weeks later...

From the 3/15/07 Elyria Chronicle-Telegram:

 

 

Land quadruples in value, becomes hard sell

Brad Dicken | The Chronicle-Telegram

 

The value of land where the $1.25 billion quarry project was slated to be built more than quadrupled in value between 2005 and 2006.

 

While the deal between landowner American Stone and developer Trans European Securities appears to have fallen through, American Stone Chairman Tom Roulston said the hike in the property’s value could prevent any developer from purchasing the land.

 

 

http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/03/15/land-quadruples-in-value-becomes-hard-sell/

 

From the 3/23/07 Elyria Chronicle-Telegram:

 

 

Company still committed to quarry project

Brad Dicken | The Chronicle-Telegram

 

SOUTH AMHERST — Trans European Securities remains committed to going forward with its $1.25 billion quarry project, the United Kingdom-based developer’s attorney said Thursday.

 

But the company didn’t like how American Stone handled announcing earlier this month that it was cutting off negotiations to sell the land for the project, Trans European attorney Connie Carr said.

 

“I’m disappointed they handled it in such a public manner,” she said.

 

 

http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/03/23/company-still-committed-to-quarry-project/

 

From Cleveland Scene, 3/28/07:

 

 

Fantasy Island

Lorain wants to become the world's most exotic locale.

By Jared Klaus 

Published: March 28, 2007

 

To get to paradise, you have to park on an unmarked gravel road in South Amherst, just up the street from Piggy's grocery.

 

From there you walk through prickers and mud until you see it in front of you -- just don't walk too far. It's a 125-foot fall down the sheer rock face into the quarry lake below. This is one of seven century-old sandstone mines gouging 1,000 acres of woods in Lorain County. The stones for Severance Hall came from here, but now it's just another headstone in the region's graveyard.

 

 

http://www.clevescene.com/2007-03-28/news/fantasy-island/

 

ouch, $450,000 to prep the land?

 

I'd be an unhappy taxpayer!

  • 2 weeks later...

Here's hoping this thing never gets built.

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