November 29, 200420 yr ok steele then it's pepsi's at angelo's or hot dog heaven-fine with me ha! as to how many jobs? depends if it's just a speculative option that never pans out or is never acted upon, if it's all phoney baloney, if it's just a golf course.....or if it's something much more as they say. that could mean anything from the caddyshack golf course groundskeeper and his assistant carl to hundreds of jobs and thousands of new residents. time will tell.
November 29, 200420 yr LOL...I'll have to take you up on that one!! btw...Angelos is my favorite pizza place!! Lets hope these guys are for real!! Lorain county has been hurting for a long time and this might be what it needs to get back on its feet. Also, Id hope its more than hundreds of jobs. PS... MrNYC how are you so familiar with Amherst, did you grow up here or what??
November 29, 200420 yr [glow=red,2,300]FYI... [/glow] Tuesday November 30, 2004, 7:00 PM: CLEVELAND QUARRY PROJECT meeting, at New Russia Township Hall (268 Butternut Ridge Road). Developers from Trans European Securities will be there to answer any questions. this is a change in location from South Amherst Middle School due to a scheduling conflict. From I-90: Take I-90 to the Route 58 Amherst/Lorain Exit. Turn LEFT at the light. Continue SOUTH on SR 58 for for about 8 miles (once you get south of the Amherst area it gets quite rural but dont worry its the right way). Turn RIGHT onto Butternut Ridge Road and the Township hall is right there. (I believe its on the right side of the road, but theres nothing else around so you cant miss it). IF YOU STAY ON 58 too long youll end up in Downtown Oberlin, if you do end up there you know you went too far. From Ohio Turnpike/ I-480: Take the Ohio Turnpike to the new Route 58 Amherst/Oberlin Interchange (one exit west of Route 57 in Elyria and one exit east of Baumhart Road in Vermillion). At the light take a right. Continue south on SR 58 for about 6 miles (once you get south of the Amherst area it gets quite rural but dont worry its the right way). Turn RIGHT onto Butternut Ridge Road and the Township hall is right there. (I believe its on the right side of the road, but theres nothing else around so you cant miss it). IF YOU STAY ON 58 too long youll end up in Downtown Oberlin, if you do end up there you know you went too far.
November 29, 200420 yr This kind of reminds me of an area in Houston called the Woodlands. (www.thewoodlands.com) When I lived in Houston, it was described to me as a privately owned suburb. It was started up about 20 years ago, and at the time it was very far away from the city of Houston. Because Houston is the world center of sprawl, it is just about bordering the city now. Another point, I wonder if Cleveland's cultural attractions will be highlighted in the sales pitch for the community. New people could mean new money for places like the art museum. That is of course if it ever gets built.
November 30, 200420 yr Thanks for the website!! It does seem alot like what is proposed here in Amherst. I saw that there are several hotels in Woodlands, allthough i think that the the Cleveland Quarries will be more resort orriented than the woodlands. I also think there will be more recreation activities at the quarries. But all that is just if everything pans out, it very well could not. But overall they do seem quite similar. To try and answer your second question... I remember one of the older maps presented (before the name change) by the developers, up in the top corner it said: Beaver Lodges: Cleveland, Ohio. To me that seems like they will be marketing this with Cleveland in mind, the city is only 30 miles away. Also.. these 5000 new residences will likely bring in NEW residents to the Cleveland area (remember, it will be marketed to world wide residential property owners) ..it will not simply pull residents from the Cleveland and inner suburbs. In saying that, I believe that the downtown as a whole (especially cultural attractions such as museums) could benefit greatly from such a project.
December 1, 200420 yr from, Morning Journal (12-1-04) Developer says quarry resort could begin in 2006 A partner in a British-based consortium proposing to build a $1 billion leisure resort and golf course at the Cleveland Quarries says construction could begin as soon as 2006. NEW RUSSIA TOWNSHIP -- A partner in a British-based consortium proposing to build a $1 billion leisure resort and golf course at the Cleveland Quarries says construction could begin as soon as 2006. Neil Pike, of Trans European Securities LLP, spoke at a packed public meeting at New Russia Township Hall last night and tried to ease doubts among some of those in attendance about the project's viability. ''One thing that became very apparent is that there's some doubt as to whether this is going to get off the ground,'' Pike told the crowd of about 120 government officials and residents from Amherst Township, Brownhelm Township and the village of South Amherst. ''If you knew the amount of work that's gone into this project and the money involved in getting to today, it has been substantial.''
December 1, 200420 yr the key quote in that article is,"Trans European purchased a $250,000 option in May to buy the 900-acre Cleveland Quarries..." sorry, but nothing has changed since then. in fact i am even a bit more pessimistic as the euro spokesman guy admitted he was taken aback by the zoning issue complexities. huh? if indeed they did as much legwork as he implied, they would have been aware of that prior to the public meeting. so far it all smells a bit like that famous simpsons episode where the shyster blows into town and sells springfield a monorail.
December 1, 200420 yr ''One thing that became very apparent is that there's some doubt as to whether this is going to get off the ground,'' Pike told the crowd of about 120 government officials and residents from Amherst Township, Brownhelm Township and the village of South Amherst. ''If you knew the amount of work that's gone into this project and the money involved in getting to today, it has been substantial.'' I dont read anything about the company having done any legal work. It just says substantial work and money have gone into planning project. Im sure they have been planning on doing a resort like this somewhere for a very long time (not being sure of the exact site) and have invested alot of money in planning it searching the globe for a site and buying the purchase option on the land. In my opinion thats all that is mean by the statement. Also, i beilieve the reason he was suprised by the amount of zoning changes is because there are so many local regulations that will need to be changed in order to accomodate the project... the townships basicallly need to rewrite there zoning books. In South Amherst for example, there is a 30 foot limit on all buildings.
December 1, 200420 yr so are they implying that: a) this mysterious euro entity company none of us knows anything about has been working on a billion dollar project ahead of time and that they are only now ready to plop it down somewhere at the last minute? and b) that with supposedly a billion dollars involved and rather than an army of hired american corporate lawyers, they sent one guy? one guy??? and he went in clueless and surprized about american zoning law complexities? billion dollar business just does not work that way. either here or across the pond. i smell an unacted upon option (due to unforeseen "zoning complexities" of course) or at best maybe a golf course. we'll see, but again do keep us updated of course!
December 1, 200420 yr A) Trans European Securities is a company best described as a subsidary of Swiss European Management SA, located in Lugano, Switzerland (created just for this project). I havent really researched much about that yet, but if anyone knows of any specific projects developed by them I would love to know. Its my guess that the company has had plans to build some sort of massive resort somewhere and have probably been doing so for a long time.. they say they just found this location in May I believe. So now they are just now starting the process of moving it forward. B) lol... I believe there were two guys. The one guy does most of the talking I guess. How many people do you believe a company needs to propose a major project like this.. it seems like the two of them have been able to get the job done... Maybe once the project moves forward youll see more people. He obviously has a large company working behind him... or there wouldnt be artist renderings, project maps, and multi-media presentations. They were not suprised by american zoning law complexities, they were suprized at the amount of zoning changes that need to be made at a local level.... If this were in Cleveland, no zoning laws would have to be changed just to accomodate it. These 3 local governments will have to rewrite the books!!! that is suprising to anyone. Why would this company... (1) buy the rights to this land, for 250,000 dollars. and (2) why would they create so much hype about this if they truely believed that nothing would come of it...seems pointless and like a waste of time and money to me... PS: MrNYC, you didnt answer my question from before. How do you know so much about Amherst, did you use to live here before moving to NYC??
December 2, 200420 yr no not amherst, but we used to hang out there a lot when i went to lccc. it was the college hotspot in the early 80's --- the streets were packed with people. they cracked down i heard in the mid-80's i think, but i was long gone to bgsu by then. however, i was back thru town more recently after a visit to jamie's flea market. i'll say again $250k to buy a real estate option aint all that. lots of individuals and companies do it all the time. it's a minor gamble for some and most often nothing pans out. they'll just eat it and write it off or let it depreciate and write it off or just let it expire. also, i googled "Swiss European Management SA" and nothin at all came up. i'm still dubious. maybe someone can investigate them more thoroughly somehow?
December 2, 200420 yr yea, I did the same and got the same results. I wonder if you were able to translate it into swiss and search.. the results would be diffrent?? No one can answer my question as to why would this company be proposing this if they truely have no intentions of going through with it?? ?? ? ?? ?? ? Surely if nothing else they think it can be done. I also emailed the Amehrst township trustees, maybe something was mentiond at one of the meetings thats didnt make the papers. I'll post the Chronicles Telegrams' article on this tomorrow morning.. and hopefully the Plain Dealer will have something too.
December 2, 200420 yr Kinda sounds like the Banks in Cincy, lol. Billion dollar schemes & broken dreams. By my calculation it should be built by 2035, just in time for me to retire and hit the links full time. Someone let me know when they see trucks & trailers with heavy equipment exiting the turnpike to Amherst. (Unless they're asphalt trucks).
December 15, 200420 yr from, Morning Journal (12-14-04) Zoning board to wait for petition from developer SOUTH AMHERST: Villiage opts for petition so it can can charge costs to British-based company South Amherst-- The South Amherst Zoning Board met last night to decide on a new set of zoning regulations for a proposed $1 billion development, but they threw the ball back in the developer's hands instead. South Amherst's zoning board opted to wait for a petition from British-based Trans European Securities LLP sothe villiage could charge any rezoning costs to the company. But even once the petition is filed, the process of voting on the proposed changes won't likely start until late January or early February, said South Amherst Law Director Quentin Nolan. Trans European has plans to buy the 900 acre Cleveland Quarries site, about one-sixth of which is within the villiage, and transform it into a $1 billion golf course and leisure resort with an aquatics center, a hotel, retail shoping and residential high-rises.
December 15, 200420 yr If this is foreal they shouldnt mess with the developer, this is good news for their community.
December 15, 200420 yr rumor has it that traffic, sewer, and enviornmental studies are finished and will be released at next weeks meeting.... and suposedly the sewers will come through a power line easement from Lorain... Also the restaurant, Applebees, is looking to purchase property on SR 113 near Quarry Road in South Amherst.... the small town of 1,800.
December 17, 200420 yr did that company just pick up stakes in switzerland and move to england? hmmm. btw--i think the zoning board did the right thing. let them at least buy the property first! show me the money!
February 2, 200520 yr Quarry project application due Friday from Trans European from, Amherst News-Times (2-2-05) Amherst Township- The billion-dollar investors hoping to bring a 900-acre resort to the heart of Amherst Township are expected to submit an official application to Lorain County leaders by Friday. "We're hoping not to get many suprises at this point. It's a bit late in the game," county community development head Ron Twinning told the News-Times last week. Twining and company are awaiting an eight-to-12 page report from Britian-based Trans European Securities International, the firm that wants to transform the former Cleveland Quarries property north of Route 113 into a high-end golf, hotel, shopping, and recreational attraction in the next six years.
February 3, 200520 yr I'll believe it when I see it built. This is a rather random location for a resort of this magnitude. If the point is to build a resort around golf, I would think that they would want somewhere that there could be year round golf. And yes, the quarries are nice, but they aren't that much of a draw. Certainly not enough to base a billion dollar+ investment on.
February 3, 200520 yr Random.. how so? The resort was planned to be a year round attraction- golf is one part of that. Ski slopes and an indoor beach inside one of the quarries along with other things will attract visitors year round. The quarries are some of the largest in the world and I think they would be a huge draw. We'll find out on Saturday if this is for real or not. only 30 miles to Cleveland... 20 to the airport
February 3, 200520 yr I doubt that the ski slopes or the indoor beach will really be large draws. The point of going to the beach is either to swim, or be in the sun. I doubt they are going to heat the water, and where are they going to get a sun for their indoor beach? Man made ski slopes are a draw, but will they be any nicer than what's at Brandywine or Boston Mills, let alone a real ski resort like a Vail or Sun Valley? I just don't see that or the golf course giving it enough oomph to be a year round attraction that people will come from all over to stay and shop at and invest in condos. I guess I've just been very skeptical of alot of things lately.
February 3, 200520 yr Amherst Area- population 25,000 30 miles, 30 min to CLEVELAND pop. 500,000 3 miles, 10 min to LORAIN pop. 70,000 5 miles, 5 minutes to ELYRIA population 56,000 lol.. this is definetly not the middle of nowhere
February 3, 200520 yr "lol.. this is definetly not the middle of nowhere" That's a matter of opinion - I personally think it's Chardon West but what do I know :lol: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 4, 200520 yr well tomorrow's the big day. its "put up or shutup" friday in amherst for those mysterious euros. just do not be surprized if jordan makes that shot over craig ehlo ifyaknowwhudahmean.... maybe you can attend the meeting? keep us posted with whatever you hear!
February 4, 200520 yr yup.. its the big day. If they dont make this deadline.. I will be extremely skeptial of the project. :roll: I'm not sure there even is a meeting... hmmm maybe I should try and find that out. If there is a meeting it will be live on the TV, probably around 7pm If not it will be in the papers on Saturday morning.... here are the local papers' websites... CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER www.cleveland.com LORAIN MORNING JOURNAL www.morningjournal.com ELYRIA CHRONICLE www.chronicletelegram.com And I will keep you guys updated.
February 4, 200520 yr Amherst Area- population 25,000 30 miles, 30 min to CLEVELAND pop. 500,000 3 miles, 10 min to LORAIN pop. 70,000 5 miles, 5 minutes to ELYRIA population 56,000 lol.. this is definetly not the middle of nowhere Steele05, not sure if this was a response to me, but I never said middle of nowhere. I said that it was a rather random location for a resort of this size.
February 5, 200520 yr Nothing, no metion in any of the papers. I dont know what to think now. If the plan was dropped, I would think it would be just as big of a news story as if the land was bought and the project was for sure. Im puzzled..
February 5, 200520 yr Two new pieces of info about this project and company.... note the dates.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regional review for mega-development proposals? January 28, 2005 Attendees at last night's Smart Growth Coalition meeting learned about a $1 billion, 970 acre development proposal in northern Lorain County. British-based Trans European Securities LLP wants to create a resort destination with a world-class golf course, ski slopes, an equestrian center and a year-round aquatic center with a retractable roof, plus 750,000 square feet of mixed-use retail, a 50,000-square-foot conference center, approximately 5 million square feet of office and commercial facilities. The schematics supplied by the company also show plans to build housing for 5,000 families, as well as construct its own schools and churches, and provide its own emergency services. If it comes to pass, a project of this scale could warp the entire region's growth and travel patterns (though this is only a fraction of the size, think of what Walt Disney World did to transportation and development demand in a swampy rural area of central Florida). But since there's no forum for review of regional-scale development propsals, key decisions about the region's development would in this case be made only by a handful of Lorain county and township officials. EcoCity thinks NOACA should explore ways of subjecting proposals of such massive scope to a truly regional review process. http://www.ecocitycleveland.org/transportation/transport_blog.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dix & Eaton Adds Nine Clients Friday February 4, 2005 11:31 am ET CLEVELAND, Feb. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Dix & Eaton Incorporated announced today the recent addition of nine clients, based in six states and the United Kingdom. "This group of new clients reflects the continuation of a momentum of new business that began late last year," said Chaikin. "These clients are diverse both geographically and in the nature of their businesses. Clearly, two-time recognition as the nation's best mid-sized firm and our leadership roles in the profession have resulted in companies reaching for us and in broader appreciation of our capabilities." The newest clients are: - Trans European Securities (Bolton, U.K.) -- D&E will be serving as communications and community relations partner as this British-based developer undertakes a major complex in Lorain County, Ohio. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050204/clf013_1.html http://www.dix-eaton.com/de_list_private.html
February 6, 200520 yr what suprises me the most is that there was NO article. I would expect to see one either way. Im interested to see what the Amherst News Times says about this... they were the ONLY ones that had an article about the deadline. (the Amherst news times is a weekly paper that comes out every wednesday) However, after reading that TESI hired Dx and Eaton, I am a little more optimistic Only time will tell I guess
February 6, 200520 yr Personally, I think the ski slopes would be a big draw for this area. When I was in high school, a group of friends and I would take a short road trip out to Boston Mills/Brandywine every Saturday night for something fun and different to do. We all bought season passes so we could go whenever we wanted. It was great fun and I'd deffinately go if ski slopes were built in the Amherst area. And I'm sure it would bring in a lot of other people who want something fun to do in the winter too.
February 8, 200520 yr jskiboarder- I agree...... Just to let everyone know.. the deadline for TESI to submit a formal approval WAS met and there is a meeting comming up next week (the 14th i think) after this meeting the communities will rezone the land... and they will buy it. Theres not really an article worth posting so I won't but.. everything is still on track. pic of one of the quarries... give you a sense of how big these things really are
February 9, 200520 yr wow where are those quarries at? The only ones I know about are the ones next to Quarry Rd. in the channel 5 picture, and don't look nearly as deep. By the way Steele05, do you by chance know if next weeks meeting is public? And where and when it's supposed to be? I'm sure it'll hit the papers soon, but I'm just wondering. I'd like to try and make it out there if it's supposed to be public just to see first hand all that's going on.
February 9, 200520 yr from, Morning Journal (2-8-05) LOCAL OFFICIALS TO DISCUSS BILLION-DOLLAR QUARRY RESORT SOUTH AMHERST- Local government officials affected by a proposed by a proposed $ 1 billion development at the Cleveland Quarries are meeting at Firelands Middle School on Feb. 16 at 7 p.m. The meeting is expected to be the last one before Amherst Towsnhip, Brownhelm Township and South Amherst Village governments vote on proposed zoning changes necessary for the project to move forward. Britian-based consortorium Trans European Securities LLC has purchased an option be buy the 900-acre quarry site and has plans to develop it into a $1 billion leisure resort complete with a world class golf coarse, an aquatics center and high-end retail. The public is invited to attend.
February 9, 200520 yr Those directions are to a middle school in SOUTH Amherst, not many people from outside Lorain County know where South Amherst is, let alone a middle school. Just thought I'd help.. only 30? pope- ^^^^ you the one to imply that Amherst is some far-away-land. lol
February 9, 200520 yr Steele05: "jskboarder... are you from the Amherst area or are you just interested in the project??" Well, both actually. I'm originally from Amherst and as a matter of fact I went to Firelands middle school. So if those directions were for me, I probably won't be needing em. But thanks for the thought anyway! If they do go ahead with this project, I'm wondering if they're planning on draining all thw water out so they can build, or what? This will definately be an interesting project to say the least. Never in a million years would I ever expect something of this size to be built in those quarries, but it's a pretty cool idea I have to say.
February 10, 200520 yr for pete's sake people! south amherst = jaime's flea market! that is one of the best flea markets in the country. cool old diner down the road too. some of yous get the heck out of the eastside once in a blue moon!
February 10, 200520 yr Jaime's rocks! If you want something rusty, broken, or sticky with unidentifiable gunk, that's the go-to place!
February 11, 200520 yr there is a cool sandstone quarry off of the Canal Corridor Bikeway. It has all sorts of sandstone remnant floating around, parts of the old rail that ran through the area, and of course, the canal locks. I love"archeological sites". Even if they're only a century old.
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