thats b/c you are a girly man

 

No..I'm a gay man.  There's a huge difference!  Ahhhhnold :-P

 

that's my line!

 

It's been adopted by us all, like "world class signage"   Learn to share! :-)

 

No, most people were arguing months ago that "it was a waste of county money"

 

However, if it is sold to a private developer, suddenly it's preserving "a historic piece of architecture"

 

Why don't we call a spade a spade, people who want it saved are just worried that the skyline will look less full.

Not to me. I really do like the building and think it's an important piece of architecture.

 

I mean, it does take away from the skyline, but if it was a piece of crap, I wouldn't be crying over it.

Same here.

One of my most favorite buildings.

With the Breuer tower now available to be acquired by private developers, how do you think this can/will affect Jacobs's skyscraper plans and Stark's Pesht?

It could be good news for them.  I doubt that the Breuer Tower will be used for a major corporate headquarters for the same reasons that the County didn't want to use it for offices.  Also, it throws the County out there, potentially still looking for another space if they can get their finances together.

I can't see a private developer paying 72 million for this site. I think Hagen is dreaming if he hopes to break even. It might be less than half of that amount.

But they still rushed to complete a deal for the buildings and parking garage from the Richard E. Jacobs Group for $21.7 million,

 

And that's about what I'd expect the county would get for the building -- maybe a bit more considering the asbestos removal they're doing/done and the demolitions that will likely be done.

^It's like an episode of "Flip That House".

^Except they've invested waaaay more than they'll get out of it, and will end up poorer than when they started.

Well, they need to be crative in the way the property is marketed.  It dosen't necessarilly need to be sold as general office space.  It can be cleaned up and refurbished to be used for several different employment, residential options. 

make it into the "cuyahoga county tech incubator", similar to what the hanna building has created, to what youngstown and akron are doing on a smaller scale. 

 

 

Reading it again, it seems as though K&D would opt for demolition... dammit...

 

"The K&D Group Inc., the Willoughby developer of downtown's Stonebridge residential complex, is interested in building housing, a hotel, an office tower and retail, according to an e-mail to the commissioners from K&D Chief Executive Officer Doug Price."

 

I have it on good authority that there would be a second tower, with preservation of the existing.

Reading it again, it seems as though K&D would opt for demolition... dammit...

 

"The K&D Group Inc., the Willoughby developer of downtown's Stonebridge residential complex, is interested in building housing, a hotel, an office tower and retail, according to an e-mail to the commissioners from K&D Chief Executive Officer Doug Price."

 

I have it on good authority that there would be a second tower, with preservation of the existing.

 

Whoa!

I wonder if the $3 million they got for asbestos removal was only made available for government owned building?

I'm just worried with all this talk of growth in offices, apartments, and whatnot that there will be an oversaturation in the market. I mean, The Flats just expanded their plans, the WHD is coming, plus Jacobs is talking about building an office tower, and now this? Isn't that too much?

lets see how many plans cross the finish line before we worry about office/ housing glut

I'm just worried with all this talk of growth in offices, apartments, and whatnot that there will be an oversaturation in the market. I mean, The Flats just expanded their plans, the WHD is coming, plus Jacobs is talking about building an office tower, and now this? Isn't that too much?

 

I think its perfect.  The market sets the tone.  Developers would not build, if there was not demand.  With downtown being in or near 90% occupied, there has to be growth.  With growth comes competition.  We don't have a glut of new build homes on the market like many southern/western cities and we're not over priced like the Northeast.

 

I feel - and this is just a guess - as interest in downtown continues to build we'll see more unique developments especially vertical.  and for those who can't afford downtown proper, the reinvigorated neighborhoods, Detroit-Shoreway, Historic Prospect & Payne Sterling will see a steady influx of those who can't afford downtown proper but want to be close.

 

However, plans and completed project are two different things.

Very true. I mean, I'm excited. Don't get me wrong. But it's very tentative excitement. :)

I think its perfect.  The market sets the tone.  Developers would not build, if there was not demand.

 

Um, I thought you said you've been to downtown Miami lately?  :-D

I think its perfect.  The market sets the tone.  Developers would not build, if there was not demand.

 

Um, I thought you said you've been to downtown Miami lately?  :-D

No that's developers pipe dreams!  Miami or "south florida" as you people call it is over saturated.  and job income doesn't match the cost of living making it harder for people in the area to afford a condo.

It's also probably worth noting that the Commissioners are continuing to face national criticism regarding any plans to demolish the tower. The National Trust for Historic Preservation has now weighed in on the debate: http://www.gcbl.org/building/rebuilding-cities/historic-preservation/raze-or-renovate-breuer-tower/preservation-efforts-for-breuer-tower.

The building boom started in Miami before the bottom fell out.

The building boom started in Miami before the bottom fell out.

 

waaaaaaaaaaay before, but it was flawed from the get go.

Speculators are demand, of a sort.  Of course, now they don't want any property in Miami, either.

 

I have it on good authority that there would be a second tower, with preservation of the existing.

 

I've also heard that they would preserve the tower.

Who is they? K&D?

C'mon KJP, Stonebridge developers.

I guess the entry way could be rebuilt, but what a mistake right off the bat by the idiotic commissioners.

 

A condo in the Breuer Tower, damn that would be sweet.

I know who K&D is. I don't know who "they" is.

The Breuer building as home? That would be a very tough sell?

The Breuer building as home? That would be a very tough sell?

 

How so?  I would think there would be alot of people that would want to OWN a home in a highrise.  Something that you cannot currently do in downtown Cleveland.

 

It would immediately be Cleveland tallest highrise condo building.  I know I would inquire about a spot in that building!

definetly a highrise, I just think the breuer is a buzz kill.

hey, if detroit can renovate a 33 story tower into residential/hotel space, we can too. I dont see K&D being interested in demolishing that building. There is no private developer in the mid-west who could tear down a high rise , rebuild on it with residential and possibly make any money. only in NY could you pull that off. This building will not be torn down. I think a condo conversion would be perfect for this building. adding cantilevered balconies to this building could really dress it up. I dont see this building being sold privately for more than 15 million.

"The Breuer building as home? That would be a very tough sell?"

 

Not with the views you'd have - south and west facing units would have views of and into Jacobs Field, upper floor units would likely have Lake (and maaaybe river views), and just about everyone would see the following but imagine seeing this at 350'+ (taken from the attached parking garage - and attached parking would be a great selling point):

 

 

^ I think if they cleaned it and dressed it up, it'd be neat. That lobby, although jacked up now, is sort of sexy in a 1960s sort of way. You could make it chic.

How do you spell ugly in Cleveland?  B-R-E-U-E-R

 

dude should have stuck to designing chairs...

 

tear it down and replace it with a parking lot...

Would they have to skin the building if the exterior concrete has high levels of asbestos?

not as long as it is contained or sealed.

How does anything ever occur in this city with all of the "Chicken Little" negativity?  Why wouldn't someone want to live in there if you could own a refitted place for around $150K?  The constant "I'll believe it when I see it" mindset in this town is really quite disturbing. 

 

I do hope that K&D go forward with this.  The Breuer tower may not be everyone's favorite to look at now, but let's see what the plans are first before passing on the negative judgment.

How do you spell ugly in Cleveland?  B-R-E-U-E-R

 

dude should have stuck to designing chairs...

 

tear it down and replace it with a parking lot...

 

i really like this idea we should just turn cleveland into one big parking lot and sell the spaces to columbus and detroit and have busses go back and forth between cities. that tower is useless along with the rest of cleveland. the cuyahoga county politics are terrible and nothing ever gets done except they just wate our money.

How do you spell ugly in Cleveland?  B-R-E-U-E-R

 

dude should have stuck to designing chairs...

 

tear it down and replace it with a parking lot...

 

i really like this idea we should just turn cleveland into one big parking lot and sell the spaces to columbus and detroit and have busses go back and forth between cities. that tower is useless along with the rest of cleveland. the cuyahoga county politics are terrible and nothing ever gets done except they just wate our money.

 

Boy do I wish I had the number to those graffiti artists on speed dial :roll:

I guess the entry way could be rebuilt, but what a mistake right off the bat by the idiotic commissioners.

 

A condo in the Breuer Tower, damn that would be sweet.

 

Yeah.. who wouldn't love small fogged up windows that don't open or allow lots of light in..

Windows can always be switched out. they're purely cosmetic.

It'd be interesting to know more about what this building is like inside.  It isn't noted for it's high ceilings, exactly.  And because of the era I am guessing the interior is pretty utilitarian, but who knows?  I would think that the bathtub windows and the lobby were the most distinctive design features of the building.

Does anyone know when was the last time this building was occupied? How long has it been empty? Any poster ever been inside?

Does anyone know when was the last time this building was occupied? How long has it been empty? Any poster ever been inside?

 

not to be mean, but you might want to read some earlier posts in the thread.  Those very questions are answered.

^Just tell him.  It is kind of hard to do that on a 39 page thread. 

 

Anyhow, I think alot of the plans with the County admin building may have been put on hold because of the medical mart.  I just don't think the county has enough money to pull off both projects that would probably be happening simultaneously.  Alot of oversight costs and infrastructure work.  If that is the case, I am very behind the county.  Drop everything to get the MM and Convention center built.  I really don't think the county had firm evidence that the MM was planning on coming here when they were persuing the purchace of AT tower.  Then all at once, they had alot of eggs in their basket.  Just my thoughts.

Everyone, Quit Being Asshats

It'd be interesting to know more about what this building is like inside.  It isn't noted for it's high ceilings, exactly.  And because of the era I am guessing the interior is pretty utilitarian, but who knows?  I would think that the bathtub windows and the lobby were the most distinctive design features of the building.

 

it also seems that some of the floors could be cut open, with staircases and more space.  doing this and adding some balconies would make this place usable.

 

Also, referencing MayDay's photo from earlier in this thread, it seems crazy that they were able to keep the sidewalk open during the original construction, but the County is not insisting that the sidewalk remain open now while removing the asbestos.  In the photos it looks like the trailers are placed on top of the sidewalk protection.  It just seems like very low expectation on the County's part (and the City as well, for allowing this to happen).  This whole area is a mess.