Not sure if anyone knows this off hand, but how many concrete "tubs" are there in the tower?

^if anyone knows that off hand, I'll buy them a 6-pack of Christmas Ale.

Not sure if anyone knows this off hand, but how many concrete "tubs" are there in the tower?

 

I think you'll have to find a good pic or three (or the plans) and start counting! :)

^if anyone knows that off hand, I'll buy them a 6-pack of Christmas Ale.

 

I guess I know *I* am spending my lunch hour - get 'em ready! :drunk:

 

I counted last night (Live Locals birdseye tool was the way to go), and I counted 1,314.  I thought it was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it was sonehow easier to count them then sift through 41 pages.

Now about those Xmas Ales...

1500 if the pattern continues the same on all four sides.  1050 if it is only on three of the four sides.  if you look, it sets up in blocks of 30 windows.  each short side has 300 tubs, this is assumed by me since I have no photo of the non-rotunda side to work with.  I am also lacking a photo of the back of the building.  but the front has 450 bathtubs. 

 

and now the punchline...1500 tubs makes the breuer building the world's largest upscale gay bathhouse!  hooray cleveland!

 

wakka wakka.

^I think the operative word here was "off hand."  Seeing that it took you 10 hours to post your findings, I'd say you might be disqualified.  But hey, I'm not the one who put the 6-pack on the table!

 

And I'd be willing to bet that he'd give it to you if you had some grand plan that you wanted to share with us about what to do with 1,314 concrete tubs...

 

On a related note, I'm with 8Shades in my curiosity about the County's disposal/reuse plans for all these materials.  If that's not part of what they paid for with all the contracts they signed, then they're even bigger a-holes than I'd previously thought.

 

 

I counted 1,314

 

doh!

I counted 1,314

 

doh!

 

There are only 3 sides that have the tubs, and they don't all start at the same level, and aren't even all consistent with the amount of tubs horizontally in a "set."

Unfortunately I don't have plans for the actual tubs, just a small representation of them.

^I've never used the words "tubs" that many times in my life.

You people are in desperate need of a life...

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I counted 1,314

 

 

doh!

 

 

There are only 3 sides that have the tubs, and they don't all start at the same level, and aren't even all consistent with the amount of tubs horizontally in a "set."

Unfortunately I don't have plans for the actual tubs, just a small representation of them.

 

I hate to burst your bubble (or 6 pack of christmas ale)... But there are 6 sides of to the ameritrust tower and 4 of them have "tubs". So your count may be off... i will be too busy drinking bud lights at the cavs game tonight to even contemplate counting tubs.

The count includes 4 sides.  A misprint.  Tub count stands at 1,314.

a possible public art piece with some of the tubs if they decide to tear it down?

 

that would be a cool way to remember the beauty that once stood on that ground after they build wahtever they are planning to build on the property. (sort of sarcastic, but in reality it would be a nice piece of public art and it would be the least they could do).

^we'll be just like columbus and their old train station!

Sure would be nice to save and rehab this building. Anyone got any updates out there

Here's a nausiating synopsis of the big picture re: site issues, according to everyone's favorite source for "news", Scene Mag.

 

 

http://news.clevescene.com/2007-12-12/news/lose-excess-wallet-weight/

Sure would be nice to save and rehab this building. Anyone got any updates out there

 

I've heard some promising reports that its probable the building will be saved and converted into condos. We should hear for sure by mid January.

I heard that the government is gonna house a special project there and it's gonna be a top secret building.

lol wut?

It was sarcasm..

The thing that gets me is that they seem to be so arrogantly throwing this money around. Like there's no regard for the public, who actually is paying for the thing. Typical politics, I guess.

 

Well let's recall dimora. We would need about 100 thousand signatures.

 

Sign me up!

He's back!

I’d be careful using sarcasm.  There are people that frown upon it here.

Id be careful using sarcasm.  There are people that frown upon it here.

 

Sarcasm at its finest!

I know there has been quite a bit of conversation about how there wasn't enough public dialogue or public outcry about the Breuer tower, but outside.in disagrees. Their research indicates that Breuer is the tenth "bloggiest place" in the U.S., i.e. the building with the tenth highest blog commentary of all building-related blog discussions in the country. Interestingly, controversies surrounding Forest City's Atlantic Yards project in NYC made it the second bloggiest place in the country, actually beating out blog discussions of the bridge collapse in Minneapolis :-o

 

http://outside.in/public/bloggiest_places

That doesn't substitute for a public process to give the community input into the location and design of the complex.

Certainly not. Not saying we should be applauding the County Commissioners or Jacobs or anyone involved in what is at best a real estate transaction that deserves at least some level of public scrutiny. I was more talking about many's statement that only a very small group of preservation "freaks" were upset about the decision and very late in the game.

 

If such a small segment of the population only had a very passing interest in the tower, I don't think it would have generated the 10th highest number of blog activity nationwide ... that kind of volume suggests that it was a major community issue, and if anything, it's a rationale for going back to the commissioners and saying "voters obviously care about this; isn't it time that you had a transparent, public process for how the site is preserved/demolished, sold/retained, etc.

^Well put.

From what i hear it will be known whether or not this is being sold to private developers or continuing with demolition for the county building by 1/15.

the latest issue of Planning magazine (the monthly publication of the American Planning Association) has a story about the conflicts between historic preservation and sustainable design (specifically, the LEED rating system).  It features the Breuer building prominently in the discussion, but is already a bit out of date, as the issue of the County pulling out isn't mentioned.  It's not online yet, so no text to post yet...

I'm really ashamed that politicians are blowing our money.  Cleveland City Council pays $60k to settle Sweeney's sexual harassment case.  Then Sweeney blows $20k-something to have Santiago not recalled.  The county spends a million bucks on touch-screen voting machines, which were used once and will be throw in the trash.  And of course, the king of them all...

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Today may determine whether county can dump Ameritrust complex

Posted by Joe Guillen and Michelle Jarboe January 14, 2008 20:50PM

 

Bids to buy the Ameritrust complex will be opened today, revealing whether Cuyahoga County can unload an investment some have called a waste of taxpayer money.

 

^ He did not just compare the situation to Christmas. That makes lil' baby Jesus cry.

maybe I missed it. But assuming it ends up in the hands of a developer, is the property probably going to be eligible for some tax credits/breaks?

oengus, one idea at a time.  your text blasts are incoherent threadkillers.  how do you expect anyone to reply to thirty unfinished sentences/thoughts? 

I hope, really really hope, that they do NOT give the property back to Jacobs.  That would be one sorry end to this saga.

WKYC is reporting there is only one bid that qualified in this mornings opening. As soon as something is posted I will repost.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/if_mart_is_built_on_administra.html

 

If mart is built on administration building site, where will county offices go?

 

CLEVELAND — Cuyahoga County officials envision moving out of their downtown administration building either to make way for a new medical mart or other development.

 

They contend that the footprint of their building at Lakeside Avenue and Ontario Street is ideally suited for a new hotel to complement the proposed mart -- a showcase for medical equipment -- and a new convention center...

Funny... Weren't we just discussing this earlier today at the convention center thread?

<a href=http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20090709/FREE/907099969>Cuyahoga County to embark on office space search</a>

By JAY MILLER

1:15 pm, July 9, 2009

 

Cuyahoga County is office shopping again.

 

County commissioners Tim Hagan and Peter Lawson Jones today gave county administrators approval to seek offers for the lease of space for the county’s long-term office needs as soon as 2011.

 

The county is taking the action in case it needs the land under the county administration building at Ontario Street and Lakeside Avenue in downtown Cleveland for the planned medical merchandise mart.

 

Medical mart developer Merchandise Mart Properties Inc. of Chicago has made plans to put the medical mart at St. Clair Avenue and Ontario, where private owners control the land and are negotiating with MMPI to sell it.

 

By taking the action related to its own office-space needs, the county will be putting pressure on those property owners to settle on a price MMPI finds reasonable.

 

County director of central services Jay Ross said the county soon will issue what is called a request for qualifications from landlords for at least 250,000 square feet of office space. He said the county is looking for more than just enough space to replace the current 150,000-square-foot administration building; the goal would be to consolidate operations that now are spread across several buildings.

 

“We want to have this option,” Mr. Ross told the commissioners. “We want to test the interest on the street.”

 

The county abandoned plans to move all county workers to a new administrative complex at East Ninth Street and Euclid Avenue, on land that includes the vacant Ameritrust Building, and had hoped to have that property privately developed by the K&D Group of Willoughby. Those plans are in limbo because of the weak economy.

As much as I would like to see new buildings in the Warehouse District, I think the offices should go in a vacant building like the East Ohio Building on East 9th Street at Superior, or dare I say, the Bruer Tower at East 9th and Euclid. The county already owns the Bruer Tower so it has to be in the running, as much as I'd rather see it become housing.

I think completely rehabilitating is out due to cost... I'm very much guessing they are looking to lease at this point.  Long term buying and rehabbing makes sense... short term I don't think they have the cash.

I have always liked the Higbee building idea.  I hear FCE is offering a $1 per yr lease on some significant space  :wink:

 

Does anyone know how many square feet the County currently uses for its offices?

I wouldn't mind Asher making a phone call.

Cuyahoga County launches search for new office space

by Michelle Jarboe/The Plain Dealer

Thursday July 16, 2009

 

CLEVELAND -- Cuyahoga County has begun a formal search for new office space, hedging against the prospect that its administration building could be knocked down for the medical mart project.

 

The county began soliciting pitches this week from downtown property owners who can house roughly 1,100 workers in a single building or two adjacent buildings. According to a request for proposals, the county wants 350,000 square feet of contiguous office space that is available within 18 months...

 

For More: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/07/cuyahoga_county_launches_searc.html

Cuyahoga County official says talks for one medical mart parcel have stalled

by Joe Guillen

Monday July 20, 2009

 

CLEVELAND — Cuyahoga County commissioners are again shopping for new offices, this time because negotiations to buy land for a downtown medical mart have stalled.

 

Barb Shergalis, the county's medical mart project director, said Monday that the county intends to tear down its administration building to make way for the medical mart if an agreement with one of the private property owners isn't reached next month...

 

For More: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/07/cuyahoga_county_official_says.html

^It's been posted before in the Convention Center thread. No need for it here too.

Seems more appropriate here.

One item to add

At the July 20 meeting, the County asks developers to include space for moving the County Information Services Center.

Then on July 30 at the Commissioner Board Meeting the County approves a new 10 year lease for the Information Services Center at its current location (Sterling Building), with no termination until 2013 (even then with penalty).

^It's been posted before in the Convention Center thread. No need for it here too.

 

Cross-postings are pretty common when the news item impact more than one thread.

 

One item to add

At the July 20 meeting, the County asks developers to include space for moving the County Information Services Center.

Then on July 30 at the Commissioner Board Meeting the County approves a new 10 year lease for the Information Services Center at its current location (Sterling Building), with no termination until 2013 (even then with penalty).

 

Ooops...

Cuyahoga County gets six proposals for new administration building

by Laura Johnston/Plain Dealer Reporter and Michelle Jarboe/Plain Dealer Reporter

August 28, 2009

 

CLEVELAND — Half the downtown sites proposed for Cuyahoga County's new headquarters were on the list the last time commissioners considered a move.

And one is the Ameritrust complex -- the very property the county bought in 2005 for new offices and then tried to unload. The others are the Higbee building, and new lakefront construction north of the Warehouse District.

 

 

For More: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/08/cuyahoga_county_gets_six_propo.html