you need to google the following:

 

County to revisit real estate holdings

I think this is the key paragraph:

 

Last week, Mr. FitzGerald told members of the county economic development commission that he has been fielding inquiries about the two properties since he took office in January. In a later telephone interview with Crain's, he declined to identify with whom he has had conversations, citing a need to keep discussions of potential real estate deals confidential.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110404/SUB1/304049978

 

This isn't an idea generated by FitzGerald. It a need generated by the private sector that the county needs to respond to.

I thought a key part of the article was the realization (admission) by Fitzgerald and the county that, due to the continuing tight credit market and legal restrictions on what the county can do in terms of working with private developers, there needs to be talk and research regarding creative ways to implement financing.  As such they already have plans to meet and work with loan experts in this regard.  That is smart and shows they are being pro active rather than waiting to problem solve when a deal in actually in the works and bogged down.

Dear Mr. Fitzgerald,

 

Please partner with the Board of Education and move both the BOE and the county offices to the Breuer tower. Use the money from the sale of the BOE building and the county building and refurbish the tower and the rotunda. Duh. I mean you already own it.  And I don't want to hear anything about the small floor plates, blah, blah. Adapt like the rest of us do every day. Seems like a no brainer.

 

Signed,

Reality Check

Dear Reality Check:

 

You may not want to hear it, but Breuer Tower is not sufficient for the County's needs.  And, yes, small floor plates are a big (though not only) reason for that.

 

Signed,

Double-dose of Reality

Dear God,

Dear Reality Check:

 

You may not want to hear it, but Breuer Tower is not sufficient for the County's needs.  And, yes, small floor plates are a big (though not only) reason for that.

 

Signed,

Double-dose

 

of Reality

 

Mine comment was just an opinion. But it sounds like you have inside knowledge of the counties needs. Do you? Or was yours just an opinion also.

Mine comment was just a opinion two.

 

<see avatar.

It sounds to me like the county has a potential user from the private sector for the Breuer Tower and rotunda if some legal issues can be worked. If so, then work out the issues.

 

Who knows, maybe the county and the school board might end up at the current Huntington Building now that Huntington Bank and Ernst & Young are moving out. Its gigantic atrium certainly lends itself to a publicly accessible place, such as for heavily-patronized county services or even as a food court! I don't think it's worth keeping a property as substantial as the Breuer Tower and rotunda off the tax duplicate.

I also don't think the county ever really considered moving into the Bruer tower, the plan was to demo it and build new.

Its gigantic atrium certainly lends itself to a publicly accessible place, such as for heavily-patronized county services or even as a food court!

 

That was my thought for the Rotunda, an open space for public services.  I mean it was a bank right. Then you would have the Breuer for the offices of the County and the BOE.  Plus two prime properties on the mall ready to go.

This paragraph from Crain's confirms that the county continues to evaluate, or has re-started an evaluation, of where to locate its administrative offices in consolidation with possibly other county offices.....

____________

 

For its part, K&D has revised its plans for the Ameritrust complex, dropping a hotel component and streamlining it to apartments and service retail. The proposal is dependent on whether K&D gets to renew its quest for the skyscraper; Cuyahoga County, which owns the complex, is studying its own office needs before deciding whether to dispose of the skyscraper.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110801/SUB1/308019999/0/FRONTPAGE   

 

Also discussed at the Euclid Avenue thread at: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,7408.1290.html#ixzz1TzMCfmMg

Here's a random thought, but the old Federal Courthouse on public square is used solely for bankruptcy proceedings now, I believe.  I wonder if the cash-strapped Feds would be interested in consolidating those services into the new Stokes tower (not sure if there is room) and renting the old courthouse to the county for its new headquarters?  This is really just spaghetti against the wall and I hate to be the "what if" guy, but that building could very well meet the county's needs with large floorplates and open spaces.  Not to mention it is a building designed for government functions.  And it keeps the county on the mall.

This is really just spaghetti against the wall and I hate to be the "what if" guy

 

Here's a random thought, but the old Federal Courthouse on public square is used solely for bankruptcy proceedings now, I believe.  I wonder if the cash-strapped Feds would be interested in consolidating those services into the new Stokes tower (not sure if there is room) and renting the old courthouse to the county for its new headquarters?  This is really just spaghetti against the wall and I hate to be the "what if" guy, but that building could very well meet the county's needs with large floorplates and open spaces.  Not to mention it is a building designed for government functions.  And it keeps the county on the mall.

 

I don't think the building is big enough, particularly if the county wants to consolidate multiple county functions in one building. I know the data is out there for the county's space needs, but I'll be damned if I can find it.

 

EDIT: BTW, I moved several comments about the Breuer Tower residential proposal to the Breuer Tower thread....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,20128.0.html

Cuyahoga County hires consultant to assess again its office space needs

By STAN BULLARD and JAY MILLER

10:38 am, August 9, 2011

 

Cuyahoga County's new charter government is tackling a thorny issue left over from the prior county commission system by hiring Allegro Realty Advisors Ltd. to conduct a comprehensive study of the county's space needs and to develop a plan for the future.

 

County Executive Ed FitzGerald said he and the county council wonder if an opportunity exists to cut expenses while improving the experience of individuals who interact with the county. He said addressing issues such as how to enable people to conduct their county business at one site, and how to maximize proximity to mass transit and parking, will be part of the study.

 

The prior county government studied the same issue and acquired the former Ameritrust headquarters complex at Euclid Avenue and East Ninth Street for a new, centralized county office. However, after sinking millions into the purchase and asbestos abatement, the county backed off from pursuing the project.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110809/FREE/110809834

Here's the press release referred to in the above article.....

 

http://executive.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/080811-Space-Study.aspx

 

CUYAHOGA COUNTY LAUNCHES STUDY OF FUTURE SPACE NEEDS

 

Download a PDF of this release.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

Media Contacts:

John Kohlstrand: (216) 698-2099 or [email protected]

Nicole Dailey Jones: (216) 263-4602, (216)338-0863 or [email protected]

 

CLEVELAND — Cuyahoga County leaders have selected Cleveland-based Allegro Realty Advisors, Ltd. to conduct a comprehensive analysis of county government’s space needs and develop a plan for the future.

 

County government currently owns or leases space at approximately four dozen different sites in Cuyahoga County. The fragmented situation exists, in part, because county government was historically operated by a series of independently-elected officials.

 

With a new charter placing much of county government under a single elected executive and an 11-member Council, County Executive Ed FitzGerald wonders if the opportunity exists to reduce expenses while improving the experience of individuals who interact with the county.

 

“By consolidating and reorganizing the way we use office space, we may be able to improve the experience of our customers,” FitzGerald said. “Do we have enough parking available? Is mass transit nearby? Can people get their county business done without having to stop at two or three different locations? These are the kind of questions we should be asking.”

 

Allegro Realty Advisors will survey agencies on their present and future space needs and create a comprehensive inventory of office space currently owned or leased by the county. Based on this information, the company will then present recommendations to the county.

 

The study is expected to be complete this fall at a cost of $195,050. The study could influence questions including the future of the County Administration Building, located next to the Medical Mart & Convention Center project, and the vacant Ameritrust tower on E. 9th St.

Cuyahoga County hires consultant to assess again its office space needs

By STAN BULLARD and JAY MILLER

10:38 am, August 9, 2011

 

Cuyahoga County's new charter government is tackling a thorny issue left over from the prior county commission system by hiring Allegro Realty Advisors Ltd. to conduct a comprehensive study of the county's space needs and to develop a plan for the future.

 

County Executive Ed FitzGerald said he and the county council wonder if an opportunity exists to cut expenses while improving the experience of individuals who interact with the county. He said addressing issues such as how to enable people to conduct their county business at one site, and how to maximize proximity to mass transit and parking, will be part of the study.

 

The prior county government studied the same issue and acquired the former Ameritrust headquarters complex at Euclid Avenue and East Ninth Street for a new, centralized county office. However, after sinking millions into the purchase and asbestos abatement, the county backed off from pursuing the project.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110809/FREE/110809834

 

Way to go Fitz!

As we debate where the county should consolidate its various offices, I found these tidbits which might guide our discussions......

 

Map of locations, but this is for only the county's administrative offices and doesn't include a consolidation of all county offices now scattered throughout the central city...

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdgraphics_impact/2009/08/28CGADMIN.pdf

From this article...

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/08/cuyahoga_county_gets_six_propo.html

 

 

 

Since 2005, the county has decided that three agencies can’t move. So Shergalis added up the leases the county could get out of, the old-building repairs it could forsake, and savings of about a third on building staff and energy costs. Her total: About $4.3 million a year in savings from moving. National City, looking at the same question, calculated $3.5 million.

Compare that with the cost of a new building. RBC estimated that $160 million, financed for 30 years, would cost $10 million a year in debt service. The result: a $6 million a year increase in the cost of government.

And that’s conservative. The county’s estimates of the building’s cost have ranged from $160 million to $226 million and even $268 million. National City says a $268 million project would cost $7 million in debt payments in the first year — after the savings from moving — and escalate to $19 million in the 28th year. Total added cost: about $395 million.

http://www.clevelandmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E73ABD6180B44874871A91F6BA5C249C&nm=Arts+%26+Entertainemnt&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=1578600D80804596A222593669321019&tier=4&id=5DFD8E1034A2456CAAAA3F2479E65D20

 

 

 

The county also has shed about 1,000 employees since commissioners bought the 800,000-square-foot complex, and no longer needs as much space.

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/07/cuyahoga_county_commissioners_ignore_plan_to_turn_ameritrust_into_county_headquarters.html

 

 

In June, Ameritrust's neighbor, the 1.3-million-square-foot Huntington Building, sold for $18.5 million, or $14 per square foot.

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/07/cuyahoga_county_commissioners_consider_selling_ameritrust_complex_at_a_multi-million-dollar_loss.html

 

 

The mart location poses its own issues, though, since the county-owned Chicago Title Building and administration building annex must be demolished for the project.

Employees in those buildings are on the move, McCafferty said. They should be relocated to other county-owned and county-leased downtown offices by June.

The development department will move to Reserve Square and the Office of Procurement and Diversity will go to the second floor of the administration building and witness-victim agencies will move to Courthouse Square, at the corner of Lakeside and West Third Street.

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/03/cuyahoga_county_rejects_moving_out_of_administration_building_switches_other_offices.html

 

 

 

Were 2007 plans for this new building for this county agency abandoned?

 

The Cuyahoga County Community Mental Health Board plans to construct a new headquarters building in the Midtown neighborhood.

...The three-story headquarters would sit on a now-vacant piece of land on the north side of Euclid Avenue between East 69th and East 79th streets.

...Plans are for a 45,000-square-foot building, with the mental health board taking about 30,000 square feet and leasing the rest.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070612/FREE/70612001

 

 

But I'm still trying to find out exactly how much space the county needs to consolidate offices it is able to consolidate.

 

Oh, and remember this from 2004?

 

I'm glad that Allegro is handling this. They are an excellent firm. By the way, they just moved in from the suburbs  and renovated a two-story building on Euclid across from CSU for their offices.

 

Can't believe that Staubach recommended to the County that they buy the Ameritrust tower. But then again, those were the Dimora days..

OK, I think I have my answer.....

 

According to:

http://www.officefinder.com/how.html

150 to 250 usable square feet of office space per person depending upon the type and style of the business.

 

I used their office space calculator, adding 50,000 square feet for atriums, ground-floor retailers/newstand/coffee shop, and assumed 1,000 employees based on what I found in my posting above. Add in some public waiting areas, hearing rooms, etc. So it's possible the county could be looking at 300,000 square feet of office space and possibly as much as 400,000 square feet at the upper extreme.

Very interesting seeing all those plans...I had never ran across them before....Garfield Heights??!! Really?!?!

Damn you KJP! I was browsing through this page earlier today on my phone, and all that jumped out at me were the renderings and "A new Home for County Goverment". So I'm thinking where the hell did this come from and I couldnt wait to get home and see it on a larger screen. So now I see the part that says - Remember this from 2004, uggh, argh and crap. I was ready to be all about the Citizens Tower proposal. Sigh.

A while back there was also a proposal for Optima Management to get the County into the Huntington Building.  They met with the County in March but not sure what happened after that.

Wow, look at the Sterling Center

Damn you KJP! I was browsing through this page earlier today on my phone, and all that jumped out at me were the renderings and "A new Home for County Goverment". So I'm thinking where the hell did this come from and I couldnt wait to get home and see it on a larger screen. So now I see the part that says - Remember this from 2004, uggh, argh and crap. I was ready to be all about the Citizens Tower proposal. Sigh.

 

See, it pays to read the fine print

OK, I think I have my answer.....

 

According to:

http://www.officefinder.com/how.html

150 to 250 usable square feet of office space per person depending upon the type and style of the business.

 

I used their office space calculator, adding 50,000 square feet for atriums, ground-floor retailers/newstand/coffee shop, and assumed 1,000 employees based on what I found in my posting above. Add in some public waiting areas, hearing rooms, etc. So it's possible the county could be looking at 300,000 square feet of office space and possibly as much as 400,000 square feet at the upper extreme.

 

400,000 sf would be too much for 1,000 employees, even with the common areas you described.  A good rule of thumb is to add 15% to usable square feet to get rentable square feet which will account for common areas.  I'd say it should be under 250,000 sf.  Side note - I believe 200 Public Square has the highest factor in Cleveland to convert useable to rentable.  They are over 20%.

Damn you KJP! I was browsing through this page earlier today on my phone, and all that jumped out at me were the renderings and "A new Home for County Goverment". So I'm thinking where the hell did this come from and I couldnt wait to get home and see it on a larger screen. So now I see the part that says - Remember this from 2004, uggh, argh and crap. I was ready to be all about the Citizens Tower proposal. Sigh.

 

See, it pays to read the fine print

 

It is somewhat encouraging, however. 668, Higbee, and May have all undergone significant renovations and are beginning to be filled back up (May not as fast as others) and the Ameritrust Tower/Trust Rotunda have now been remediated and await redevelopment. It would be nice to have the Sterling Building updated, however.

400,000 sf would be too much for 1,000 employees, even with the common areas you described.  A good rule of thumb is to add 15% to usable square feet to get rentable square feet which will account for common areas.  I'd say it should be under 250,000 sf.  Side note - I believe 200 Public Square has the highest factor in Cleveland to convert useable to rentable.  They are over 20%.

 

Is this true of government facilities as well? After all, they need much larger public areas than private office buildings, including service counters, waiting rooms, public hearing rooms for all the various boards, and of course lots of storage areas for public documents and records.

The county has a somewhat unique need for 'on-site' storage of records.  Large, voluminous records.

You mean, per an FBI consent decree!?!?! 

OK, I think I have my answer.....

 

According to:

http://www.officefinder.com/how.html

150 to 250 usable square feet of office space per person depending upon the type and style of the business.

 

I used their office space calculator, adding 50,000 square feet for atriums, ground-floor retailers/newstand/coffee shop, and assumed 1,000 employees based on what I found in my posting above. Add in some public waiting areas, hearing rooms, etc. So it's possible the county could be looking at 300,000 square feet of office space and possibly as much as 400,000 square feet at the upper extreme.

 

400,000 sf would be too much for 1,000 employees, even with the common areas you described.  A good rule of thumb is to add 15% to usable square feet to get rentable square feet which will account for common areas.  I'd say it should be under 250,000 sf.  Side note - I believe 200 Public Square has the highest factor in Cleveland to convert useable to rentable.  They are over 20%.

 

Hello everyone! I'm new here, but I just wanted to say that this site is fantastic and its wonderful to be able to read and have intelligent conversation about the future of CLE.

 

Now, as to the topic, I think your numbers as far as county employees may be a little off, my friend. According to a Crain's Cleveland Business article that came out this week, County Goverment does not employ 1,000 people. It actually employs 8,000 people. That's a gamechanger as far as their office space needs.

 

"The county employs about 8,000 people and owns or leases space at about 50 different locations countywide. County offices are spread throughout downtown Cleveland."

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110809/FREE/110809834

so that's 2 million square feet. would that be the biggest office building in cleveland by a lot?  i'm dubious. that all 8,000 would be in one location.

They should grab Huntington Bank building on the corner of East 9th and Euclid

didn't that sell to a miami based developer last year?

"County Goverment does not employ 1,000 people. It actually employs 8,000 people."

 

Welcome to the forum. Although Cuyahoga County employs 8,000ish people - not all of those are positions that require space in a centralized downtown office. 

"County Goverment does not employ 1,000 people. It actually employs 8,000 people."

 

Welcome to the forum. Although Cuyahoga County employs 8,000ish people - not all of those are positions that require space in a centralized downtown office.

 

Thanks!  8-)

 

But you gotta believe though that at least most of those employees would end up coming downtown. There's no way they wouldn't bring half of those employees (at the very least) downtown when they own or lease around 50 properties(!). I think just for consolidation's sake that most of those employees will end up downtown, whether they necessarily need to be in a downtown office or not.

 

The key thing that Ed Fitzgerald said was that they wanted to become user friendly and give people who need to do business with the county the ability to do all of their county business from one location. That says to me that most of these employees are headed downtown.

A lot of those are positions that not only don't need to be concentrated in a single building, but are not really able to be - the Coroner, the Sheriff, etc. I think we'd be lucky to get a large majority in Cleveland, let alone in a single building.

The Court of Common Pleas, the Court of Appeals, Probate Court, Domestic Relations Court, the Clerk of Courts, etc. will be staying in the Justice Center and the Old County Courthouse.  The Juvenile Court just built a new home. The Sherriff obviously has to stay around the jail.  Are MetroHealth employees considered County employees?  If so, they would not be part of the consolidation.

 

One of the big ones I can think of that is not already in the County Admin Building is the Board of Elections.  If that office was consolidated, that would open up a very intriguing corner at Euclid and 30th.

*starts chant* NEO Park! NEO Park! NEO Park!    ;)

I don't know if MetroHealth Medical Center is counted in those 8,000 positions, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. That is a county-owned, operated and subsidized hospital.

 

Based on the types of work conducted, some or all employees in these Cuyahoga County departments *could* be consolidated into a single building (lists where they are currently officed -- those that aren't likely to relocate are noted). However, departments that are in buildings with leases that cannot be terminated early without incurring a financial penalty are NOT KNOWN by me, but I have read that this applies to some departments/offices listed below:

 

* Advisory Committee on Persons with Disabilities (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

* Airport - Robert D. Shea Field (26300 Curtiss Wright Parkway, Richmond Hts -- UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE :-P)

* Alcohol Drug Addiction & Mental Health Services Board (2012 W. 25th Street)

* Animal Shelter (9500 Sweet Valley Drive, Valley View -- UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Architecture - Department of Central Services (1642 Lakeside Ave)

* Archives (2905 Franklin Boulevard)

* Automated Data Processing Board (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

 

* Board of Developmental Disabilities (1275 Lakeside Avenue East)

* Board of Elections (2925 Euclid Ave)

* Board of Health (5550 Venture Drive, Parma -- Service garage, plus east and west side clinics are UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Board of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities (1275 Lakeside Avenue East)

* Board of Revision (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Children and Family Services/HHS (Jane Edna Hunter Building, 3955 Euclid Ave)

* Child Fatality Report (UNKNOWN)

* Children Who Witness Violence (310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Clerk of Courts (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Common Pleas Court (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Community Based Correctional Facility (3540 Croton Ave - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Coroner/Medical Examiner (11001 Cedar Avenue - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Council/Clerk of Council (1219 Ontario Street)

* Cuyahoga Support Enforcement Agency/HHS (Virgil E. Brown Building, 1640 Superior Ave)

* Cuyahoga Tapestry System of Care (1849 Prospect Ave)

 

* Development/Brownfield Redevelopment/Sustainability (Reserve Square, 1701 East 12th Street)

* Domestic Relations Court (Cuyahoga County Courthouse, One W. Lakeside Ave. - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

 

* Employment Connection (In addition to four outlying offices, Downtown Location is at 1020 Bolivar Road)

* Employment and Family Services/HHS (Virgil E. Brown Center, 1641 Payne Avenue)

* Executive, office of (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Family & Children First Council/HHS (1801 St. Clair Avenue)

* Fatherhood Initiative (1276 West 3rd Street)

* Fiscal Officer/Recorder/Auditor/Budget Commission/License Applications/Community Outreach (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* HIV Services Planning Council (4261 Fulton Parkway)

* Homeless Services/HHS (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

* HR/Payroll/Personnel/Employment Relations (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

 

* Information Services Center (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Avenue)

* Invest in Children/HHS (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

 

* Juvenile Court (2163 E 22nd Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE except to Juvenile Justice Center, 9300 Quincy Ave)

 

* Planning Commission (323 Lakeside Avenue West)

* Procurement & Diversity, office of (1219 Ontario Street)

* Probate Court (Cuyahoga County Courthouse, One W. Lakeside Ave. - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Prosecutor, office of (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Public Defender, office of  (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Public Safety/Justice Services/Mediation/Emergency Management/CERT/CRIS/ECS/NIMS (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Public Works/Engineer (2100 Superior Viaduct)

 

* Recorder (1219 Ontario Street)

* Reentry, office of (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

 

* Senior and Adult Services/HHS (1701 E. 12th Street)

* Sheriff's office (1215 West 3rd Street)

* Soil & Water Conservation District (6100 West Canal Road, Valley View)

* Solid Waste Management District (4750 East 131 Street, Garfield Heights)

 

* Treasurer (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Veterans Service Commission (1849 Prospect Ave)

 

* Witness/Victim Service Center (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

 

I spent a good (or bad) hour compiling this stuff, so I hope it's of use to *someone*!!! But it shows that most of the county's functions aren't in the administration building at 1219 Ontario. But this doesn't show what portion of county employees are in a given location. That's going to have to be for someone else to provide or figure out!

 

 

I don't know if MetroHealth Medical Center is counted in those 8,000 positions, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. That is a county-owned, operated and subsidized hospital.

 

Based on the types of work conducted, some or all employees in these Cuyahoga County departments *could* be consolidated into a single building (lists where they are currently officed -- those that aren't likely to relocate are noted). However, departments that are in buildings with leases that cannot be terminated early without incurring a financial penalty are NOT KNOWN by me, but I have read that this applies to some departments/offices listed below:

 

* Advisory Committee on Persons with Disabilities (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

* Airport - Robert D. Shea Field (26300 Curtiss Wright Parkway, Richmond Hts -- UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE :-P)

* Alcohol Drug Addiction & Mental Health Services Board (2012 W. 25th Street)

* Animal Shelter (9500 Sweet Valley Drive, Valley View -- UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Architecture - Department of Central Services (1642 Lakeside Ave)

* Archives (2905 Franklin Boulevard)

* Automated Data Processing Board (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

 

* Board of Developmental Disabilities (1275 Lakeside Avenue East)

* Board of Elections (2925 Euclid Ave)

* Board of Health (5550 Venture Drive, Parma -- Service garage, plus east and west side clinics are UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Board of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities (1275 Lakeside Avenue East)

* Board of Revision (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Children and Family Services/HHS (Jane Edna Hunter Building, 3955 Euclid Ave)

* Child Fatality Report (UNKNOWN)

* Children Who Witness Violence (310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Clerk of Courts (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Common Pleas Court (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Community Based Correctional Facility (3540 Croton Ave - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Coroner/Medical Examiner (11001 Cedar Avenue - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Council/Clerk of Council (1219 Ontario Street)

* Cuyahoga Support Enforcement Agency/HHS (Virgil E. Brown Building, 1640 Superior Ave)

* Cuyahoga Tapestry System of Care (1849 Prospect Ave)

 

* Development/Brownfield Redevelopment/Sustainability (Reserve Square, 1701 East 12th Street)

* Domestic Relations Court (Cuyahoga County Courthouse, One W. Lakeside Ave. - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

 

* Employment Connection (In addition to four outlying offices, Downtown Location is at 1020 Bolivar Road)

* Employment and Family Services/HHS (Virgil E. Brown Center, 1641 Payne Avenue)

* Executive, office of (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Family & Children First Council/HHS (1801 St. Clair Avenue)

* Fatherhood Initiative (1276 West 3rd Street)

* Fiscal Officer/Recorder/Auditor/Budget Commission/License Applications/Community Outreach (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* HIV Services Planning Council (4261 Fulton Parkway)

* Homeless Services/HHS (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

* HR/Payroll/Personnel/Employment Relations (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Ave)

 

* Information Services Center (Sterling Building, 1255 Euclid Avenue)

* Invest in Children/HHS (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

 

* Juvenile Court (2163 E 22nd Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE except to Juvenile Justice Center, 9300 Quincy Ave)

 

* Planning Commission (323 Lakeside Avenue West)

* Procurement & Diversity, office of (1219 Ontario Street)

* Probate Court (Cuyahoga County Courthouse, One W. Lakeside Ave. - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Prosecutor, office of (1200 Ontario Street - UNLIKELY TO RELOCATE)

* Public Defender, office of  (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Public Safety/Justice Services/Mediation/Emergency Management/CERT/CRIS/ECS/NIMS (Courthouse Square, 310 W. Lakeside Ave)

* Public Works/Engineer (2100 Superior Viaduct)

 

* Recorder (1219 Ontario Street)

* Reentry, office of (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

 

* Senior and Adult Services/HHS (1701 E. 12th Street)

* Sheriff's office (1215 West 3rd Street)

* Soil & Water Conservation District (6100 West Canal Road, Valley View)

* Solid Waste Management District (4750 East 131 Street, Garfield Heights)

 

* Treasurer (1219 Ontario Street)

 

* Veterans Service Commission (1849 Prospect Ave)

 

* Witness/Victim Service Center (Courthouse Square, 310 West Lakeside Ave)

 

I spent a good (or bad) hour compiling this stuff, so I hope it's of use to *someone*!!! But it shows that most of the county's functions aren't in the administration building at 1219 Ontario. But this doesn't show what portion of county employees are in a given location. That's going to have to be for someone else to provide or figure out!

 

Thanks for the list of departments. I was planning on doing the same thing when I got home but now I don't have to worry about it.  :wink:

 

But so looking at these, even if you take away ALL of the ones where you have "unlikely to relocate" written, that's still a big chunk of people. That would have to be at least half of the 8,000 people workforce. So either way its cut, the County is going to need a ton of space, which could be a good thing for downtown if they either take a building like the old Huntington Building (although I'd prefer if that became apartments since we have a shortage downtown and waiting lists all over the place) or tie their office needs with economic development and have a developer build not just some static office for government (that's the last thing we need) but something that also includes stores, restaurants, etc. which was the original plan for county government's relocation in the first place.

 

I'd actually prefer that, if the county went the development route, that they didn't own the building at all and just had a 10 or 20 year (or however long they deemed necessary) lease on the building. Other than places of historical significance like City Hall, I've never been a fan of governments being real estate owners. It costs too much money and in most cases, other than the exception I mentioned, its unnecessary, So whatever they do, I hope they just work with a developer and don't buy a building.

 

And its funny you mention the County Airport as "unlikely to relocate", lol. I don't know how far along they are in the process or what the steps are, but I do remember that late last year the county and the city began exploring the possibility of merging their airports together and having one unified airport at Burke. So even the airport may very well "relocate". lol 8-)

 

Oh and KJP, what do you think will happen to the County Council? I've been in the council chambers in the Justice Center. It is extremely small and crowded. I'd have to believe that any new building would include new council chambers and offices, no? I doubt they stay at the Justice Center.

 

Oh and KJP, what do you think will happen to the County Council? I've been in the council chambers in the Justice Center. It is extremely small and crowded. I'd have to believe that any new building would include new council chambers and offices, no? I doubt they stay at the Justice Center.

 

That may end up creating the county's motivation for consolidating its offices -- that the county council is in such an unattractive, confined space. And meanwhile the county executive is across the street.

 

The 1.2 million-square-foot Huntington Building will still be about one-half after Ernst & Young and Tucker Ellis move to Flats East Bank. In order for the Huntington to offer enough room for the county (assuming there's 4,000 employees to move in), the owner may have to move out all (or mostly all) of the existing tenants.

could someone put up a few photos of the new juvenile justice center on quincy?

 

they are supposed to move in next month. thx!

 

Google images shows these pictures........

 

http://tinyurl.com/3gjj297

 

Back to the HQ.

Does anyone know if the assessment is done yet? It should have been completed by now. http://campusdistrict.org/cuyahoga-county-hires-consultant-to-assess-again-its-office-space-needs

I keep doing Google searches every few days to look for anything. The county issued a press release when they hired Allegro Realty Advisors to conduct the analysis. I would imagine they would issue a press release when the assessment is done and ready to go public. Here's their press release......

 

http://executive.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/080811-Space-Study.aspx

I keep doing Google searches every few days to look for anything. The county issued a press release when they hired Allegro Realty Advisors to conduct the analysis. I would imagine they would issue a press release when the assessment is done and ready to go public. Here's their press release......

 

http://executive.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/080811-Space-Study.aspx

 

Since they have nothing to put in the old Ameritrust building they could put all of the County Departments in there.....would save money

^Read this thread for the answer to that.

Yes, please. It's all about the floorplates. Read and you shall return to the straight and direct path....