Defamation of Character  :whip:

thank God I'm gay!

What's that suppose to mean?

What's that suppose to mean?

 

That the party was lame and every looked "tore down".

What would make it better? A short shorts theme and crystal meth?

What would make it better? A short shorts theme and crystal meth?

 

Child boo

Those pictures look like Miami.  Where's your cousin go to school JM?

 

And easy on college partying.  Cleveland would love the problem of too many college-educated employees coming to the city.

That has to be Miami or some small private university.

Those chicks are waaaaay too skanky to Miami girls.  More any-school in Michigan or BG Ohio.  Those photos almost have an 80's quality to them. 

On an unrelated note to the question, I would suck on fiery latina's supple legs like an electrocuted dolphin struggling to free itself from a fishing net off the coast of Osaka.

 

 

Thus perpetuating the Hot Chicks with Douche Bags mythos. ;D

>Those pictures look like Miami.  Where's your cousin go to school JM?

 

She goes to OSU...my hunch is this is somewhere in the vicinity of 15th & Indianola.  I swear my cousin and her friends are powered by plutonium pellets because they can't sit down and stop talking, and they all talk too loud and cuss and spit and all that. 

 

 

>I swear if someone posted photos of me at a party on a forum I wasn't aware of, I'd be incredibly pissed.

 

Well a whole generation is sabotaging their careers.  Then try explaining to your kids in 20 years why you were making phony gang signs.  Really, it's the phony gang signs that are the cry for help, the giveaway evidencing an identity built on hype. 

 

 

>hus perpetuating the Hot Chicks with Douche Bags mythos.

 

 

The evidence is overwhelming.  It's incredible how many girls are fooled but false demonstrations of status, or "demonstration of value" in pickup parlance. 

 

 

*EDIT*

 

The itching has spread to the limbs...

 

 

First off, hotchickswithdouchebags.com is my favorite website right now. My sides hurt from laughing.

 

Secondly, how can you hate on that party? I love every one of those pictures. A bunch of kids on top of the world, mugging for the camera, with no idea of how much they're going to regret those very same pictures in about 15 years. All you needed was the kid with the pipe he bought from CVS / swisher sweets trying to be pretentious.

Privacy is not guaranteed, especially if you attend these parties or events where cameras can be used in a manner that can incriminate or portray an event in a negative light. Unless the host explicitly declared that no cameras were allowed in writing, then it can be construed that anyone can take a photograph of anything or anyone with no future punitive recourse. Posting them on Facebook is also acceptable, unless one of the individuals in the photograph does not consent, by which they can flag the image for removal. But even that rarely works; if the party was a public event, and no written notice was given, not much can be done.

 

When I applied for jobs, they parsed through my (then fully public) Facebook profile. I expected that, and it's a reason why I keep it professional. I cringe when people tag me in photographs when I do not get a chance to preview it first, but I haven't had an issue so far.

...A bunch of kids on top of the world, mugging for the camera, with no idea of how much they're going to regret those very same pictures in about 15 years...

 

When it appears they'll be 30.

Privacy is not guaranteed, especially if you attend these parties or events where cameras can be used in a manner that can incriminate or portray an event in a negative light. Unless the host explicitly declared that no cameras were allowed in writing, then it can be construed that anyone can take a photograph of anything or anyone with no future punitive recourse. Posting them on Facebook is also acceptable, unless one of the individuals in the photograph does not consent, by which they can flag the image for removal. But even that rarely works; if the party was a public event, and no written notice was given, not much can be done.

 

This is one of the few posts that makes me really glad I'm old.  This kind of thing was just never a concern when I was in college and went to parties, and it's a good thing.

^ But you have to remember that, if there's a candidate with party photos on the Web and a candidate with none, who's going to get the job?

^Does is matter for anyone outside schoolteachers? (even then, I know plenty of alcoholic friends of mine who are teaching elementary school just fine). This is nothing, just child's play. It's hard to think that an old picture of someone drinking a can of Natty Light is going to haunt them for the rest of their life.

 

The addictions they might form in college, the police records they might obtain, and the STD's they might rack up are far more damaging to reputation than an innocent picture of someone doing what almost every American that age does on a Saturday.

 

Now we know what's wrong with Ohio's elementary schools.  I can honestly say, you having alcoholic friends does not surprise me.

 

What schools are your friends employed?

I'm surprised you think teachers are the only one for whom a clean background is important.

^Mainly the Carolinas and South. I'm not going to name schools though. That's just ridiculous. My point is that everyone at some point has probably had a picture of them doing this since it's such normal behavior in America.

 

NOT MTS!  This b!tch has eliminated every photo or video I've ever been in.

^Does is matter for anyone outside schoolteachers? (even then, I know plenty party animal friends of mine from fraternities and sororities who are teaching elementary school just fine). This is nothing, just child's play. It's hard to think that an old picture of someone drinking a can of Natty Light is going to haunt them for the rest of their life. Almost every employer has done the same and probably much worse.

 

The addictions they might form in college, the police records they might obtain, and the STD's they might rack up are far more damaging to reputation than an innocent picture of someone doing what almost every American that age does on a Saturday.

 

As an employer, what's going to stop me from wondering what other parties you've been to where photos weren't taken or posted?

^Teachers have been fired for tame facebook pictures, so there is more scrutiny.

 

In education, it's not just paranoia like in some other fields. Anything can get you labeled a "bad influence on kids." Still, I know people currently employed in education who have pictures like this online, and it's not an issue at their particular school.

 

NOT MTS!  This bitch has eliminated every photo or video I've ever been in.

 

That probably has everything to do with your age. My point is that you still did this, like almost every American. In my generation, there are pictures everywhere, but not beyond the childish stuff like this. Notice, no illegal drugs.

 

No my position in life.  Also, it's in my employee contract that I am exempt from being on any company website.  This bitch is very private.

 

Also, like Cd-cleveland, you youngsters "think" its ok to take pictures and post on facebook and myspace.  Well HR and hiring managers are very conservative.  In the back of my mind I think, "if he/she got smashed and posted this after a few drinks, will he/she do this at a dinner with a client, artist, agent, executive, etc?

C-Dawg, if you can't portray yourself well on Facebook or Myspace, what makes you think that an employer would feel comfortable in you representing a company before clients or in the community? 

now you're making excuses.  If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

RATHER, if you don't take suspect pictures and POST THEM ON THE INTERNET, you don't have to worry about them being found.

 

People use some common sense!

now you're making excuses.  If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

There's big difference between what my generation considers "suspect" and what your generation considers "suspect." This is a generation gap thing and a totally different way of growing up/living in the world. The facebook age is rewriting all the rules.

 

 

Yeah, but until your generation is in power, my generations rules apply.  [snap]

When you get older, and embarrassed about your behavior, you'll see things differently, and then you can judge the youngsters too! (unless you're turn out to be the 2030 equivalent of an aging hippie, and 'rock and roll will never die!!....I hope to be that guy some day ;-) )

 

Judging others for their youthful indiscretions is what makes us better than the monkies. (I hate that Pete Wentz err Tork so much!!!)

 

edit: I also hate Pete Wentz, but for entirely different reasons!

now you're making excuses. If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

RATHER, if you don't take suspect pictures and POST THEM ON THE INTERNET, you don't have to worry about them being found.

 

People use some common sense!

 

Agreed.  If you're going to do your thing, go right ahead.  Your employer and the rest of the world don't need to know.

 

MTS makes a good point.  With cameras so readily available these days, younger people definitely need to use better discretion into which situations they put themselves.

MTS makes a good point. With cameras so readily available these days, younger people definitely need to use better discretion into which situations they put themselves.

 

I agree.  A friend told me that his group has turned down job candidate because of pictures they posted on MySpace or Facebook. 

 

My rule of thumb with those sites is to never post anything that I would not want my family or employer to see.  I make an assumption that anyone can and will see this.  Some of my cousins are my friends on Facebook.  And so is my manager at work.

now you're making excuses. If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

There's big difference between what my generation considers "suspect" and what your generation considers "suspect." This is a generation gap thing and a totally different way of growing up/living in the world. The facebook age is rewriting all the rules.

 

 

All joking aside, while you have your interpretation of what activity is 'suspect' and what is not, so do the people currently making employment decisions. As do their clients. Both have access to your social networking sites / web sites, etc. Getting drunk and acting stupid isn't in and of itself the damning act. Posting pictures in an arena where you know it is viewable by the public calls into question your discretion, and as has been stated above, your ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public arena.

 

If one of my clients came across a myspace/ facebook account of mine with the "whoo hoo I am sooo drunk" pics on it, it would immediately cause them to question if I'm the right type of person / if this is the type of behavior they want to associate themselves with.

MTS makes a good point. With cameras so readily available these days, younger people definitely need to use better discretion into which situations they put themselves.

 

I agree. A friend told me that his group has turned down job candidate because of pictures they posted on MySpace or Facebook.

 

My rule of thumb with those sites is to never post anything that I would not want my family or employer to see. I make an assumption that anyone can and will see this. Some of my cousins are my friends on Facebook. And so is my manager at work.

 

My boss and most of my co-workers are now my Facebook 'friends', so I am really restrictive of my actions on Facebook and the sub-sites that I link to.

now you're making excuses.  If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

There's big difference between what my generation considers "suspect" and what your generation considers "suspect." This is a generation gap thing and a totally different way of growing up/living in the world. The facebook age is rewriting all the rules.

 

 

All joking aside, while you have your interpretation of what activity is 'suspect' and what is not, so do the people currently making employment decisions. As do their clients. Both have access to your social networking sites / web sites, etc. Getting drunk and acting stupid isn't in and of itself the damning act. Posting pictures in an arena where you know it is viewable by the public calls into question your discretion, and as has been stated above, your ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public arena.

 

If one of my clients came across a myspace/ facebook account of mine with the "whoo hoo I am sooo drunk" pics on it, it would immediately cause them to question if I'm the right type of person / if this is the type of behavior they want to associate themselves with.

That is exactly what I do.  Our summer interns learned a valuable lesson about facebook/myspace this summer.  I made their lives hell, based on the posts/information THEY LISTED.

 

At the end of summer I told them, based on their performance and social "connections" I would only hire two if I had to.

 

All the stuff I had them do over the summer came back to haunt them when I gave them a powerpoint presentation with pictures and posts about the office culture, parties, events, movies, tv shows they had access to while here. 

 

THEY GAGGED.

 

After my presentation, within two hours, all of them restricted access to their pages and edited them heavily.  Unfortunately the damage had been done.

now you're making excuses. If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

There's big difference between what my generation considers "suspect" and what your generation considers "suspect." This is a generation gap thing and a totally different way of growing up/living in the world. The facebook age is rewriting all the rules.

 

 

All joking aside, while you have your interpretation of what activity is 'suspect' and what is not, so do the people currently making employment decisions. As do their clients. Both have access to your social networking sites / web sites, etc. Getting drunk and acting stupid isn't in and of itself the damning act. Posting pictures in an arena where you know it is viewable by the public calls into question your discretion, and as has been stated above, your ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public arena.

 

If one of my clients came across a myspace/ facebook account of mine with the "whoo hoo I am sooo drunk" pics on it, it would immediately cause them to question if I'm the right type of person / if this is the type of behavior they want to associate themselves with.

That is exactly what I do. Our summer interns learned a valuable lesson about facebook/myspace this summer. I made their lives hell, based on the posts/information THEY LISTED.

 

At the end of summer I told them, based on their performance and social "connections" I would only hire two if I had to.

 

All the stuff I had them do over the summer came back to haunt them when I gave them a powerpoint presentation with pictures and posts about the office culture, parties, events, movies, tv shows they had access to while here.

 

THEY GAGGED.

 

After my presentation, within two hours, all of them restricted access to their pages and edited them heavily. Unfortunately the damage had been done.

 

That's something even beyond what I'm talking about. Discussing company business, particularly confidential company business, is grounds for immediate dismissal in my book.

now you're making excuses.  If you don't take "suspect" pictures you don't have to worry about them.

 

There's big difference between what my generation considers "suspect" and what your generation considers "suspect." This is a generation gap thing and a totally different way of growing up/living in the world. The facebook age is rewriting all the rules.

 

 

All joking aside, while you have your interpretation of what activity is 'suspect' and what is not, so do the people currently making employment decisions. As do their clients. Both have access to your social networking sites / web sites, etc. Getting drunk and acting stupid isn't in and of itself the damning act. Posting pictures in an arena where you know it is viewable by the public calls into question your discretion, and as has been stated above, your ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public arena.

 

If one of my clients came across a myspace/ facebook account of mine with the "whoo hoo I am sooo drunk" pics on it, it would immediately cause them to question if I'm the right type of person / if this is the type of behavior they want to associate themselves with.

That is exactly what I do.  Our summer interns learned a valuable lesson about facebook/myspace this summer.  I made their lives hell, based on the posts/information THEY LISTED.

 

At the end of summer I told them, based on their performance and social "connections" I would only hire two if I had to.

 

All the stuff I had them do over the summer came back to haunt them when I gave them a powerpoint presentation with pictures and posts about the office culture, parties, events, movies, tv shows they had access to while here. 

 

THEY GAGGED.

 

After my presentation, within two hours, all of them restricted access to their pages and edited them heavily.  Unfortunately the damage had been done.

 

That's something even beyond what I'm talking about. Discussing company business, particularly confidential company business, is grounds for immediate dismissal in my book.

 

It was the way they gossiped about the gay boss and others.  :wink:

People who carry on and allow revealing photos of themselves getting trashed probably still live with their parents

People who carry on and allow revealing photos of themselves getting trashed probably still live with their parents

 

.....and in this day and age, they will probably live with mom & dad longer.  That is if Mom and Dad don't go into foreclosure.

Or, in a van down by the river.

I agree.  A friend told me that his group has turned down job candidate because of pictures they posted on MySpace or Facebook.

 

General rule of thumb is that if you're worried about your profile, keep it private. I think any kid should assume that.

 

The problem though is that doesn't stop pictures of you from appearring in other places, like the ones Mecklenborg just posted in this thread.

 

And then to the extreme degree there's websites like Hot Chicks with Douchebags that rip people to shreds.

 

That is exactly what I do.  Our summer interns learned a valuable lesson about facebook/myspace this summer.  I made their lives hell, based on the posts/information THEY LISTED.

 

Wait, your interns left their profiles public?

 

It was the way they gossiped about the gay boss and others.

 

That's horrible. They shouldn't be gossiping about others, but it's getting more common than ever. That's the reason I posted a website like Hot Chicks with Douchebags. The internet age is changing everything, and just look at crap like Juicy Campus, college-wide bashing and gossip fests:

 

http://www.juicycampus.com/posts/gossips/all-campuses/

 

Yep those idiots gave the information to one of my assistants, who would check stuff daily. 

 

They just gossiped and one of the girls who I read for showing up in flip flops called me a black gay "miranda priestly" type bitch.  I took it as a compliment.  :evil:

I think you can blog about work as long as you keep it generic and fairly anonymous.  No company names, no big company secrets, etc.

They just gossiped and one of the girls who I read for showing up in flip flops called me a black gay "miranda priestly" type bitch.

 

Man, they sound like little jerks. They're probably the same kids who make fun of people on websites like Juicy Campus. 

 

It was her way of venting.  I made her "I think I'm carrie bradshaw" ass suffer for 10 weeks.    My assistant a total bitch and made her cry at least twice a week.  I made her go to a store downtown for something knowing in advance it wasn't there.  Whenever a celeb or someone important would come to the office, I would make her run an errand.  so she never got to meet anyone.

 

One of my people from the network came to my office and she screamed his name, and I said to her, under my breath, "don't look him in the eyes". 

 

I would reenact scenes from the devil wears prada, like the coffee scene, until I stopped drinking coffee.

 

Whatever they said, did, took pictures of....I used against them.  There can only be one bitch in our office and that's me!  Period!  I'll fuck up your head!

:evil: :evil:

 

 

Whatever they said, did, took pictures of....I used against them.  There can only be one bitch in our office and that's me!  Period!  I'll f$&k up your head!

 

Your office actually sounds pretty exciting. There's some serious drama!

 

No, no real drama.  I just know that I get what I want.  I know my boss will give me what I want.  I honestly don't give a rats ass what the other evp's and the CEO think!

This comment is key:

 

"Children should not be seeing raunchy photos of their teachers, but teachers are allowed to have a life as well. Their lives do not revolve around their classroom. Perhaps all people who are in a position that their social lives may have an effect on their work lives should ponder the use of the privacy restrictions that are available on sites such as facebook."

Ugh, in keeping with our discussion about everything being avaialable on the internet, a buddy of mine just emailed me a picture that he found on an old classmate's Facebook page. It's a pic of me and him just mugging for the camera like a couple of clowns, (no booze involved) but even so, yikes. I mean, good god, man, can't we just shut the door on 1988 already. I don't need to be reminded about my poofy hair and stringbean physique dashing good looks.

 

Additional creep factor - I have not seen nor spoken to the person whose facebook page this picture adorns, in 20 years.

Ugh, in keeping with our discussion about everything being avaialable on the internet, a buddy of mine just emailed me a picture that he found on an old classmate's Facebook page. It's a pic of me and him just mugging for the camera like a couple of clowns, (no booze involved) but even so, yikes. I mean, good god, man, can't we just shut the door on 1988 already. I don't need to be reminded about my poofy hair and stringbean physique dashing good looks.

 

Additional creep factor - I have not seen nor spoken to the person whose facebook page this picture adorns, in 20 years.

 

Ah...I think a few old pics are great for the comic relief if nothing else. Plus I've had people tell me they've been trying to look me up for years (10+) and were finally able to due to some random fb connection. Of course there are probably people from my past I don't really want to find me so it cuts both ways I guess.

Well, I just prefer being considerate of other's prvacy.  Just because you can repost pictures of people either looking normal at a party or looking like fools doesn't mean you should.  That doesn't mean I've posted party photos before.  I have, with friends with friend's holding alcohol in them.  But I did get their permission before putting them up on my flickr, and of course facebook gives an option to remove it.  Furthermore my flickr photos have specific licenses on them, so I can slap anyone with copyright infringement if they do choose to repost without permission.  But to put their photos up on a forum is just weird to me.  It's taking them from a site where content can be regulated (such as facebook) and placing them in a location where photos can not be regulated.

 

 

Facebook has completely destroyed very necessary social barriers, such as boss/employee; student/teacher; mentor/apprentice. But it also messes up the necessary social barriers of time. The fact that people go for 20 years without speaking to each other says a lot, namely, you have nothing to say to each other. Case in point, I missed a class reunion a few months ago but through a couple of degrees of reconnection, all the sudden I'm getting friend requests from people whose names I haven't heard in 20 years. I wouldn't recognize these people if I ran into them on the street let alone be able to conjure up a single meaningful memory of them. These associations should be left in the past, that's what I say. Still, it's hard to not accept their friendship request. The only real answer is to just stay off of facebook completely.

Facebook has completely destroyed very necessary social barriers, such as boss/employee; student/teacher; mentor/apprentice. But it also messes up the necessary social barriers of time. The fact that people go for 20 years without speaking to each other says a lot, namely, you have nothing to say to each other. Case in point, I missed a class reunion a few months ago but through a couple of degrees of reconnection, all the sudden I'm getting friend requests from people whose names I haven't heard in 20 years. I wouldn't recognize these people if I ran into them on the street let alone be able to conjure up a single meaningful memory of them. These associations should be left in the past, that's what I say. Still, it's hard to not accept their friendship request. The only real answer is to just stay off of facebook completely.

Thats exactly why MTS doesn't have facebood, LinkedIn or myspace. 

 

You didn't have anything nice to say about me in high school or college, so what could you possibly want to discuss with me now?

I didn't post these photos because they're scandalous, because they're not, but because I thought whoever took these photos had a pretty unusual eye, for example, reacting to the girl reaching for the beer out of the box, instead of simply posing everything.  Typically males make stupid faces or act fake-tough and girls smile and pose the way they've practiced countless times in front of a mirror since they were 5. 

 

Academically the appearance of social networking sites has been fundamental to the history of photography because it became a place for people to actually display digital photographs.  Early on people with digital cameras who didn't know how to work a computer would simply pass around the camera itself to everyone who either wanted or didn't want to look at the photos.  But people don't print photos and assemble albums anymore, they just put just about every photo they've ever taken up on these sites.  So much of the hesitation for people buying digital cameras around 2002-03 was because the printing and preservation of the images was such a hassle & unknown, but these and other sites fundamentally changed contemporary culture.  It also unknowingly fulfilled the predictions of Andy Warhol and more recently Celia Lury's "Prosthetic Culture: Photography, Identity, and Memory", which was published in 1998.  Basically, these online galleries are simultaneously creating false memories and changing the behavior of real life social situations.  People are now either taking photos to show off the person they'd like to be or (like me) avoiding cameras much more so than in the past.  Meanwhile there is pressure to have at the very least a rudimentary online presence.  To not have a page online is like never having seen a movie.  People will think you're so weird it's not worth it.  And I do think these sites are changing culture as profoundly as cinema and TV did.             

 

 

Here is a recent example on how facebook can blur the line

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/05/campbell.brown.clinton/

 

It's PE Obama's speechwriter.

 

He will be made to apologize and this will be held against him.  Hillary will take the high road, but trust, she's made life for him "uncomfortable" behind the scenes.

In my friend's status update

 

"S******* just visited the sex-toy shop in the Duty Free area of the Munich airport. I'm not kidding. And may I say, their offerings are *extensive*" (emphasis hers)

In late November I joined Facebook kicking and screaming.  Thought it was a very weird thing until I joined it...now don't pay much attention to it.  It is easier to stay in touch with some of my former colleagues, and that's nice.  But I certainly don't have hundreds of "friends" and don't understand all the junk there is on the site, especially around Christmas.  And I haven't reconnected with any old, long lost friends. 

I prefer just to call my friends or email.  And I am addicted to texting, sorry to say.  It is just so easy now with the full keyboards. Most of my good friends live overseas and it is really cheap to text, with the response being immediate.  Instant gratification..