February 28, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: If Easton becomes more of a proper modern downtown than actual downtown, I can't say I'll be thrilled with that. I've long thought Easton should have been "created" closer to the urban core of downtown as a catalyst and not an artificially planned "second downtown commercial disttrict" miles away from the actual downtown of Columbus. I've gotten over it, but there was a time when downtown was dead enough that they could have done this. Oh well. I would be happy if Easton does what COTA won't and implements some kind of awesome transit. Anything to kick COTA into higher gear, imo. But I don't expect this to happen. We're going to drive down car-centric streets that are far too wide to get from one side of Easton to the other and like it! I was feeling a bit snarky yesterday. I suppose I could have added a '/s' after the first sentence as I'm not *actually* looking forward to it but I do certainly see a scenario where that could be the case. Certainly Easton has a role to play in the grand scheme of Columbus growth but it will be a sad say if we ever see more units and office space going into Easton than the core. The question will be, does the core suffer from the urbanization of suburbs or can there be substantial, healthy growth in both? Time will tell I suppose.
February 28, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The question will be, does the core suffer from the urbanization of suburbs or can there be substantial, healthy growth in both? Time will tell I suppose. I highly doubt this will happen on a large scale. Downtown has numerous attributes that will not be replicated in places like Easton or the Dublin Bridge Street area. Downtown has two sports stadiums with a third on the way. It has numerous concert venues. It has jobs at a much higher level. It has the riverfront and institutions like COSI, the main library, the art museum, and hopefully an additional venue on the Scioto Peninsula. It hosts the big time events in Columbus like RW&B, the art festival, etc. It neighbors the Short North, which is the most popular night life destination in the city. The list could go on, but you get the idea. It has so many things that will not be replicated in Easton. I think Easton will begin to go vertical and they will add a substantial number of residential units, but I don't think it will detract from downtown. The people moving downtown will be looking for different things than the people moving to Easton, just as people who move out to Westerville are looking for different things than people who move downtown.
February 28, 20205 yr 35 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Car-centric Easton streets. Far too wide! Urban, pedestrian-centric streets downtown. Now that's more like it! When I was thinking about getting from one side of Easton to the other, I was thinking more Easton Way. I guess I'm saying that the Easton design in your pictures SHOULD be a part of downtown. I'm not saying at that downtown's streets are good. They absolutely aren't. And the pictures you posted highlight exactly why they are disasters. Side topic: I would also argue that those streets in the pictures you posted from Easton should actually not even allow cars on them. The sidewalk is still....what....15-20% of the entire width? Parking on both sides and two lanes of traffic is still too much, imo. "Inside" Easton is like 90% pedestrian. I think they should just bite the bullet and make it 100% for them. At least Easton uses proper crosswalk markings. I can't stand that the rest of Columbus doesn't.
February 28, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: I highly doubt this will happen on a large scale. Downtown has numerous attributes that will not be replicated in places like Easton or the Dublin Bridge Street area. Downtown has two sports stadiums with a third on the way. It has numerous concert venues. It has jobs at a much higher level. It has the riverfront and institutions like COSI, the main library, the art museum, and hopefully an additional venue on the Scioto Peninsula. It hosts the big time events in Columbus like RW&B, the art festival, etc. It neighbors the Short North, which is the most popular night life destination in the city. The list could go on, but you get the idea. It has so many things that will not be replicated in Easton. I think Easton will begin to go vertical and they will add a substantial number of residential units, but I don't think it will detract from downtown. The people moving downtown will be looking for different things than the people moving to Easton, just as people who move out to Westerville are looking for different things than people who move downtown. Exactly. It would not be a good economic sign for the region if both are not able to be successful at the same time. Most top tier regions are able to support their core as well as numerous other satellite urban (or neo/quasi-urban) nodes. Edited February 28, 20205 yr by scorpio
February 28, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: When I was thinking about getting from one side of Easton to the other, I was thinking more Easton Way. I guess I'm saying that the Easton design in your pictures SHOULD be a part of downtown. I'm not saying at that downtown's streets are good. They absolutely aren't. And the pictures you posted highlight exactly why they are disasters. Side topic: I would also argue that those streets in the pictures you posted from Easton should actually not even allow cars on them. The sidewalk is still....what....15-20% of the entire width? Parking on both sides and two lanes of traffic is still too much, imo. "Inside" Easton is like 90% pedestrian. I think they should just bite the bullet and make it 100% for them. At least Easton uses proper crosswalk markings. I can't stand that the rest of Columbus doesn't. When I go to Easton I don't drive inside the shopping area, no. Instinct tells me that's not what it's for.
February 28, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, GCrites80s said: When I go to Easton I don't drive inside the shopping area, no. Instinct tells me that's not what it's for. Yes! This is what I'm saying. Why even have so much car space there?
February 28, 20205 yr Easton thrived and is able to turn into what it is exactly because of its location. It would not have been successful downtown. The people with the most disposable income by and large live from Dublin to New Albany in an arc across the northern suburbs. Malls need young people with families and disposable income. Easton was located next to The Limited's HQ. Polaris would have been more towards Dublin if 23 were a real highway, but the access to 71 moved it that far east, despite its proximity to Easton. Not sure what the big deal is anyway. Both areas are in Columbus city limits. Obviously there's room for more than one in our metro and therefore they don't need to be centrally located like arenas, etc. It also lets people work and play in the suburban areas where they prefer to live. CBDs really don't make much sense in the 21st century. Especially in the case of Columbus where 9,000 people live where 86,000 people work. We all know we're trying to equalize that, and that that makes for a better downtown. Why shouldn't the suburbs be trying to do the same thing, but in reverse? That northern arc has been, and continues to kill it in this regard, and that is good for the metro. More equalized traffic combined with our stellar highway layout is the reason our traffic is relatively non-existent. Once we have these nodes it also makes point-to-point transit more feasible. All day, bidirectional use is much more sustainable than lines only crowded in one direction twice daily for 2 hours, ahem, like our highways.
February 28, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, aderwent said: Easton thrived and is able to turn into what it is exactly because of its location. It would not have been successful downtown. The people with the most disposable income by and large live from Dublin to New Albany in an arc across the northern suburbs. Malls need young people with families and disposable income. Easton was located next to The Limited's HQ. Polaris would have been more towards Dublin if 23 were a real highway, but the access to 71 moved it that far east, despite its proximity to Easton. Not sure what the big deal is anyway. Both areas are in Columbus city limits. Obviously there's room for more than one in our metro and therefore they don't need to be centrally located like arenas, etc. It also lets people work and play in the suburban areas where they prefer to live. CBDs really don't make much sense in the 21st century. Especially in the case of Columbus where 9,000 people live where 86,000 people work. We all know we're trying to equalize that, and that that makes for a better downtown. Why shouldn't the suburbs be trying to do the same thing, but in reverse? That northern arc has been, and continues to kill it in this regard, and that is good for the metro. More equalized traffic combined with our stellar highway layout is the reason our traffic is relatively non-existent. Once we have these nodes it also makes point-to-point transit more feasible. All day, bidirectional use is much more sustainable than lines only crowded in one direction twice daily for 2 hours, ahem, like our highways. Yeah, I think Easton becoming a new neighborhood with towers and such would ultimately be a net positive for Columbus. There is so much demand, so much population growth, that it won't hurt anything.
February 28, 20205 yr Yeah the best way to get transit is for easton, Polaris, Dublin and hopefully more outliers to keep building density instead of sprawl. So it is a great thing. Hopefully Polaris starts going taller and taller.
February 28, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: Yeah the best way to get transit is for easton, Polaris, Dublin and hopefully more outliers to keep building density instead of sprawl. So it is a great thing. Hopefully Polaris starts going taller and taller. Doubt it. Polaris is such a disaster with very clearly little planning involved in building up the area. It's just sprawl. A lot of it would have to be rebuilt from scratch to make something urban out of it.
March 3, 20205 yr New Hotel Could be First Step in Densification of Easton A request to allow buildings as tall as 200 feet to be built at the southwest corner of Stelzer Road and Alston Street – just south of the 16-acre Easton expansion that saw its first openings over the holidays – was approved by the Columbus Board of Zoning Adjustment (BZA) on February 25. Plans submitted to the city as part of the request show a 12-story hotel, a parking garage and a second mid-rise tower on the 12-acre parcel. In addition to that approved request, a larger rezoning proposal is working its way through the approval process that would establish a height district of 200 feet for much of the remaining undeveloped land to the south and east. The new zoning would increase the allowed height from 60 to 200 feet for the parcel at the northwest corner of Stelzer Road and Easton Way, as well as for the area east of Stelzer that extends to I-270 (a portion of which once held the Aladdin Shrine Temple). “There’s lots of land sitting empty, and our partners, we all buy into the importance of using our land wisely,” said Yaromir Steiner, Founder and CEO of Steiner + Associates, when he was interviewed by Columbus Underground in 2018. “And that means any expansion of Easton going forward will be deck parked; we will not have surface parking anymore…this is a major commitment to density.” https://www.columbusunderground.com/new-hotel-could-be-first-step-in-densification-of-easton-bw1
March 3, 20205 yr Some Easton crane porn on a rainy day. Bonus rainbow(it went away before I could get a better angle).
March 3, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Some Easton crane porn on a rainy day. Bonus rainbow(it went away before I could get a better angle). Mmmm those cranes are nice and wet. Just the way I like ‘em.
March 11, 20205 yr The Hilton Garden Inn at the northwest corner of Sunbury and Morse: Look at that retaining wall! Edited March 11, 20205 yr by aderwent
April 22, 20205 yr Columbus nursing school moving to Easton expansion Chamberlain University College of Nursing is relocating its Columbus campus to the new Easton expansion. Parent company Adtalem Global Education Inc. has signed a lease for 42,840 square feet of space at the 4111 Worth Ave. building, according to information from Colliers International. The school intends to be moved into the new space in time for the fall school year, which begins August 31. Final clearance from state, regional and national accreditation agencies is required. ... The newly constructed campus will be in the middle of the $500 million expansion of Easton Town Center, next to the new Aloft Hotel, RH Gallery and Forbidden Root brewpub. More here: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/04/21/columbus-nursing-school-moving-to-easton-expansion.html
May 11, 20205 yr On 3/3/2020 at 6:20 PM, TH3BUDDHA said: Some Easton crane porn on a rainy day. Bonus rainbow(it went away before I could get a better angle). I was just at Easton and both tower cranes are down. The site along Stelzer appears to have been cleared completely of any equipment.. Is the project on hold now?
May 11, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said: I was just at Easton and both tower cranes are down. The site along Stelzer appears to have been cleared completely of any equipment.. Is the project on hold now? I was just there today and noticed that as well. I was going to ask the same thing but you beat me to it.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, cbussoccer said: I was just there today and noticed that as well. I was going to ask the same thing but you beat me to it. Pretty disappointing if so. I was under the assumption that many projects, especially ones already started, were still full steam ahead.
May 12, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Pretty disappointing if so. I was under the assumption that many projects, especially ones already started, were still full steam ahead. I wonder if, because this project was in such early stages of constructions, they weren't able to continue until some of the lockdown stuff goes away. I know the justification for many construction projects continuing was related to safety. Having a giant dug out foundation or steel framing sitting vacant for months on end, people will undoubtedly decide to go "exploring" and potentially injure themselves. This project doesn't appear that it was that far along.
May 12, 20205 yr The cranes at the LC sat virtually unused for what seemed like years. You would thing the money behind Easton could afford a couple months of lag and still be fine....
May 12, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: The cranes at the LC sat virtually unused for what seemed like years. You would thing the money behind Easton could afford a couple months of lag and still be fine.... I think the money behind Easton exists because the people with their money are a bit smarter with their money. The fact that LC paid for that tower crane to sit there, completely unused, for like two years, is astounding. Does anyone know when the cranes were taken down? I'm assuming there is a fee involved in the construction and de-construction of tower cranes. Part of that fee would likely be the transportation of the "builder" cranes and construction personnel to carry out the task. If both cranes were taken down together, it would lead me to believe the developers got a deal where the incremental cost of taking down the crane was less than the amount of rental money they would have wasted during the period of time they expected the site to sit dormant. It should be noted that when I was over there yesterday, there were still construction workers wrapping up work on the newly constructed buildings. So, work has not been completely stopped.
May 12, 20205 yr The fact they were taken down indicates to me more than a pause and more of a re-evaluation. Its possible that we are going to see re consideration of what the build out will look like. The nature of retail and office is going to look very different for a long time. I can see where plans to build out office space and retail are on hold and will be affected in the long term needing a redesign. It's also going to take a while for an entity like Easton to evaluate whether they can return to the original concept or have to re-envision it. Part of me feels this may also alter the massive amount of office space for the peninsula. It would make sense that Easton and others want to wait it out and see what the markets will do for at least 6 months or even longer. Companies are already taking the WFH experiment and making them permanent. Anecdotally, Nationwide has announced that as of November, they will close all but the 4 main campuses (Columbus, Scottsdale, Des Moines, and San Antonio) and moving to 1/3 of the company to working from home permanently (nearly doubling the current WFH staff) with additional doing hybrid work from home utilizing shared spaces a couple days a week effectively turning alot of office space into proprietary co-working space. This is going to allow Nationwide to start leasing out sections of Grandview yard or additional office space downtown for other companies with a few thousand less employees reporting every day and more using shared space. The days of dedicated desks may be going by the wayside (until the pendulumswings back the other way). I am certain that Nationwide is not the only company doing the same putting developers on edge.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DTCL11 said: Companies are already taking the WFH experiment and making them permanent. This should probably be in a different thread...but whatever. I think there will be a surge in WFH over the next year, but I don't think it will last. A WFH set up is definitely not for everyone, even though most people think it sounds nice. I think over the next five years we will slowly move to back to where we were before this whole situation started. We may never quite get back to where we started, but I think we will get close.
May 12, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, cbussoccer said: This should probably be in a different thread...but whatever. I think there will be a surge in WFH over the next year, but I don't think it will last. A WFH set up is definitely not for everyone, even though most people think it sounds nice. I think over the next five years we will slowly move to back to where we were before this whole situation started. We may never quite get back to where we started, but I think we will get close. The work-from-home discussion is an interesting one. But it really doesn't belong in a construction thread. So I copied cbussoccer's comment above and the comment from DTCL11 that he was replying to and added them to the Columbus: General Business thread. Please continue any WFH discussion over at https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/488-columbus-general-business-amp-economic-news/?do=findComment&comment=959161
May 17, 20205 yr On 5/12/2020 at 8:56 AM, cbussoccer said: It should be noted that when I was over there yesterday, there were still construction workers wrapping up work on the newly constructed buildings. So, work has not been completely stopped. It's like your thoughts were picked up by Columbus Underground. CU posted this photo update of the new construction going on at Easton. They even got a few pics of the stalled site as well: https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-easton-bw1 Some the smaller buildings in the Easton expansion: More of the smaller buildings plus some larger buildings across the street at Worth Avenue: New five-story office building for M/I Homes at the end of Worth Avenue and at the corner of Stelzer and Worth: View of a new parking garage looking west down Alston Street: View of the 136-room Aloft Hotel under construction: View of the Aloft Hotel along Worth Avenue with a four-story mixed-use building and the five-story M/I Homes office building in the background: View looking back at Worth Avenue with the under construction Aloft Hotel in the middle and the recently completed Arhaus Furniture building on the right: Another view of the Arhaus Furniture building with the recently stalled construction site next to it: View of the newly expanded Worth parking garage:
May 17, 20205 yr ^^ This is what a whole lot more of Easton will look like hopefully-with just a lot more residential in the mix.
October 27, 20204 yr Hotel at Sunbury and Morse has topped off. Sorry for the image quality, shot on a phone at a red light.
November 23, 20204 yr Easton Expansion along Worth Avenue (Fri. 11-20-20) The stalled building site at the northeast corner of the expansion project
November 23, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said: The stalled building site at the northeast corner of the expansion project Was there ever any sort of update on the future of this?
November 24, 20204 yr https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2020/11/24/columbus-city-council-extends-polaris-easton-tax-deals/6392623002/ Quote The Columbus City Council on Monday extended tax-incentive deals it created in 1996 to help subsidize the construction of the Easton and Polaris malls for another 30 years, using a state law created late last year and that looks set to effectively expire in 38 days. The two deals were to expire in 2026, 30 years after their original creation to help divert property tax dollars generated from the projects to build infrastructure, such as roads and sewers and utilities, around the malls. The new "tax-increment financing," or TIF, agreements will extend the incentives to 2056 to provide funding for the additional public infrastructure "anticipated to be necessary" for future business construction at the sites, the ordinance states. Quote The state law allowing the extension was approved by the GOP-controlled legislature in late October 2019, and the window to complete any deals using it appears to be closing quickly. The statute says a city can extend for up to 30 years "the exemption from taxation of improvements" only if payments into the TIF exceed $1.5 million in the year prior to the extension — in this case 2019. But starting 38 days from now, on Jan. 1, a second condition kicks in that says those same payments can't exceed $1.5 million in any calendar year before the one immediately preceding the extension, or in this case, any year besides 2019. That condition likely would limit most opportunities for other developers to use the law if they don't hurry. Can someone explain why Easton and Polaris should be TIF'd through 2056? Very Stable Genius
November 24, 20204 yr 49 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2020/11/24/columbus-city-council-extends-polaris-easton-tax-deals/6392623002/ Can someone explain why Easton and Polaris should be TIF'd through 2056? Easton and Polaris have done a great job of becoming destination places for people from all over Ohio and beyond. Just yesterday friends of mine, drove down from Michigan to Christmas shop at Polaris. I think to most people, it doesnt make sense to TIF these areas but if look at the wider impact they have especially in the areas surrounding Easton, you can see why they should. It only helps to bring the surrounding area up. I woudn't call this gentrification but a general improvement to infastructure and possibly safety to residents living nearby.
November 24, 20204 yr 20 minutes ago, Cbusflyer said: Easton and Polaris have done a great job of becoming destination places for people from all over Ohio and beyond. Just yesterday friends of mine, drove down from Michigan to Christmas shop at Polaris. I think to most people, it doesnt make sense to TIF these areas but if look at the wider impact they have especially in the areas surrounding Easton, you can see why they should. It only helps to bring the surrounding area up. I woudn't call this gentrification but a general improvement to infastructure and possibly safety to residents living nearby. I don't think this justifies *SIXTY YEARS* of exemption from taxation of improvements. Very Stable Genius
November 24, 20204 yr ^TIFs do exempt taxes on improvements, but they also trigger service payments equal to the amount of the exemption. Those funds are then used to pay for infrastructure to support the development. While TIFs do re-direct funds from some governments and agencies, they are not a free ride for property owners like some abatements.
November 24, 20204 yr I know property owners on 5th Ave near Grandview are paying TIF funds due to Gradview Yard. These are properties that in some cases were built in the 1950s and before.
November 24, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: I know property owners on 5th Ave near Grandview are paying TIF funds due to Gradview Yard. These are properties that in some cases were built in the 1950s and before. Easton is taxed as if it is farmland, which it pretty much was prior to 1996. Very Stable Genius
November 25, 20204 yr 21 hours ago, Cbusflyer said: Easton and Polaris have done a great job of becoming destination places for people from all over Ohio and beyond. Just yesterday friends of mine, drove down from Michigan to Christmas shop at Polaris. I think to most people, it doesnt make sense to TIF these areas but if look at the wider impact they have especially in the areas surrounding Easton, you can see why they should. It only helps to bring the surrounding area up. I woudn't call this gentrification but a general improvement to infastructure and possibly safety to residents living nearby. I honestly can't wrap my head around driving from Michigan to go to Polaris or Easton. There's really no equivalent in Michigan? Are Easton and Polaris THAT unique? I mean just in Northeast Ohio there's Crocker Park and Legacy Village. They're basically Eastons or at least have the novelty of it. I didn't think this format was rare or anything. And Polaris is just sprawl.....isn't it? I mean.....I feel like Belden Village + The Strip in North Canton have most of the same stuff as any location like Polaris. Not trying to derail the thread. I'm just truly baffled, lol. Carry on.
November 25, 20204 yr Author Michigan has Somerset Collection, which is a high-end mall just north of Detroit. It would be unusual to drive down to Polaris (Easton OTOH does have more unique stores). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 25, 20204 yr 37 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: Crocker Park Does Crocker Park come anywhere near Easton? I went there a decent amount growing up, but haven't been in a long time.
November 25, 20204 yr I like Easton ALOT, huge fan. But I have to agree I’ve never heard of people across Ohio or Michigan for that matter traveling to Columbus solely to shop. I think Easton is definitely the best shopping center overall in the state BUT both Cleveland and Cincinnati has pretty much a similar collection of stores, especially on the high end like Louis Vuitton, Tiffany’s, Saks, Nordstrom and such. It’s been 5 years or so since I was last in Columbus but the only tenant that caught my eye at the time was the Burberry Store, Cincinnati didn’t and doesn’t have one of those. Edited November 25, 20204 yr by 646empire
November 25, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Michigan has Somerset Collection, which is a high-end mall just north of Detroit. It would be unusual to drive down to Polaris (Easton OTOH does have more unique stores). Somerset is one of the finest malls in the country. Anywhere. Period. Even Easton, which boxes well above its modest Columbus-metro (32nd or so in population) size with its loaded store roster - doesn't compare to it. Few do.
November 25, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, 646empire said: I like Easton ALOT, huge fan. But I have to agree I’ve never heard of people across Ohio or Michigan for that matter traveling to Columbus solely to shop. I think Easton is definitely the best shopping center overall in the state BUT both Cleveland and Cincinnati has pretty much a similar collection of stores, especially on the high end like Louis Vuitton, Tiffany’s, Saks, Nordstrom and such. It’s been 5 years or so since I was last in Columbus but the only tenant that caught my eye was the Burberry Store, Cincinnati didn’t and doesn’t have one of those. The Easton allure, despite having some stores not present in other cities in the region (see my adjacent "boxing above its metro weight comment...) - is really the one stop, giant nature of it coupled with its once-unique and still one of the best lifestyle center concepts/layouts. If you are a family, or teens, or a group, you can drive in at 10 am opening and stay all day, with a great lunch, a movie, a nice dinner - and more - indoor and outdoor- all in one place. In Cleveland, for instance, there are 5 east side shopping centers that have the basic mix of stores that Easton does (whether Nordstrom or Tiffany or Crate & Barrel or Shinola or West Elm, etc...) but each of those noted 5 stores, for instance, all at Easton, requires a separate stop at one 5 different shopping centers in Cleveland. Just not the same. (But do I make the trip to Easton from CLE? Yes, for one reason: Chuy's Mexican restaurant- also at Polaris.)
November 25, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said: Somerset is one of the finest malls in the country. Anywhere. Period. Even Easton, which boxes well above its modest Columbus-metro (32nd or so in population) size with its loaded store roster - doesn't compare to it. Few do. Somerset tenant wise is definitely In a different league. It has a heavy hitter collection of stores. But as a overall experience I personally like Easton better. But these locations feel very different in that Somerset or for example Cleveland’s Beachwood or Cincinnati’s Kenwood Towne Center are classic basic indoor malls (no shade lol). Easton is a really nice indoor/outdoor mix which I really appreciate.
November 25, 20204 yr How does Cleveland not have a Chuy’s? Dayton has a Chuy’s. (We also have two IKEAs that are closer to Dayton than the Pittsburgh and Polaris ones are to cleveland... not to rub salt in that wound.) “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
November 25, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Does Crocker Park come anywhere near Easton? I went there a decent amount growing up, but haven't been in a long time. Crocker is on fairly major scale closer to that of Easton (mayne 60-70% the size) - but demographics generally mean that the most exclusive "1st or only store in market" end up at one of the easy side centers like Pinecrest, Legacy Village, Eton or Beachwood Place - while Crocker gets the 2nd store or west side stores location. Crocker also has no department stores. It is a big west side draw and I go about once or twice a month from 45 mins away on the eart side for specific stores or restaurants.
November 25, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said: The Easton allure, despite having some stores not present in other cities in the region (see my adjacent "boxing above its metro weight comment...) - is really the one stop, giant nature of it coupled with its once-unique and still one of the best lifestyle center concepts/layouts. If you are a family, or teens, or a group, you can drive in at 10 am opening and stay all day, with a great lunch, a movie, a nice dinner - and more - indoor and outdoor- all in one place. In Cleveland, for instance, there are 5 east side shopping centers that have the basic mix of stores that Easton does (whether Nordstrom or Tiffany or Crate & Barrel or Shinola or West Elm, etc...) but each of those noted 5 stores, for instance, all at Easton, requires a separate stop at one 5 different shopping centers in Cleveland. Just not the same. (But do I make the trip to Easton from CLE? Yes, for one reason: Chuy's Mexican restaurant- also at Polaris.) True.
November 25, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, 646empire said: Somerset tenant wise is definitely In a different league. It has a heavy hitter collection of stores. But as a overall experience I personally like Easton better. But these locations feel very different in that Somerset or for example Cleveland’s Beachwood or Cincinnati’s Kenwood Towne Center are classic basic indoor malls (no shade lol). Easton is a really nice indoor/outdoor mix which I really appreciate. Yes, Easton experience is definitely more main street/different - while Somerset is more luxury feeling esp on the south side section of mall.
November 25, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said: How does Cleveland not have a Chuy’s? Dayton has a Chuy’s. (We also have two IKEAs that are closer to Dayton than the Pittsburgh and Polaris ones are to cleveland... not to rub salt in that wound.) Oh no, not the IKEA thing
November 25, 20204 yr 25 minutes ago, 646empire said: I like Easton ALOT, huge fan. But I have to agree I’ve never heard of people across Ohio or Michigan for that matter traveling to Columbus solely to shop. This is definitely a regular thing. My own family will come down from NEO just to go to Easton since it opened. Growing up there we would come down a couple times a year. It was very regular for people in the community. Can't convince them to experience the Short North or anything else in the city except Easton and The Shoe. Thats all Columbus is to a significant portion of the state. Now, as a Columbus resident, I dont think I've been to Easton for almost 2 years. Back to the TIF though. Perhaps I missed it, but is there a specific boundary outlined? Is this different than the linden plan? Also, is there are increased accountability for housing?
November 25, 20204 yr 3 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said: How does Cleveland not have a Chuy’s? Dayton has a Chuy’s. (We also have two IKEAs that are closer to Dayton than the Pittsburgh and Polaris ones are to cleveland... not to rub salt in that wound.) Chuys has been looking and even tentatively announced in Cleveland, opposite the new Pinecrest development,, but hasn't finalized yet. Oh, and IKEA, yes, that hurts. They confirmed they looked in CLE for probably 15-20 years, finally found an announced spot (Brooklyn) shot down by the Army Corps of Engineers maybe 5 years ago ("wetlands"), settled on another spot (Garfield Heights) about 3 years ago - and then cancelled all new US big-store expansion plans about 2 years ago. Tough luck for CLE/Akron/Canton - by far the biggest US metro without an IKEA. Good for Columbus and Cincinnati though .
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