July 1, 200618 yr Wow - fantastic! Great shots - I especially love your people shots - you picked some great subjects! And nicely placed...very cool. What's the neighborhood with the brick places at the top of the thread?
July 1, 200618 yr Good Lord Jive, is your thread large enough? I see you haven't taken many photos lately, many of those are from your threads of three years ago. Cut this down to three different galleries if you want to post all of them, you have over 250 photos in one thread.
July 1, 200618 yr that's quite a collection. i think your thread made 'the real stl' about as interesting as it could ever be made to look. the people shots were very fun additions, great idea.
July 1, 200618 yr St. Louis looks like a really big city in these shots. I used to think it was a city like Cincy but I think it has a much bigger feel from those photos. More urban and gritty. I liked the tour. And go "St. Louis City."
July 1, 200618 yr Great work with the people pictures. I excpected to see a bit more grit, but you've done your city justice.
July 1, 200618 yr Well one thing I like about STL is that they do seem to have a lot of tall residential high-rise buildings which is cool (although I could just be mistaking them for lousy projects)
July 1, 200618 yr hey st. louis guy i would like to see more of this elevated freight rail in the produce row nabe that they are talking about making into a park -- a la nyc and paris: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7352.0 whats going on with this project? can we get some new pix?
July 2, 200618 yr Interesting! Wonderful shots, Mr. Randy. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 3, 200618 yr ^Mr. Randy?!?!?!!? Is there another Randy on OU??? How can it be that another Randy loves his own, often criticized, city as much as I do!!!
July 3, 200618 yr JivecitySTL is a former that debated with us on other message boards for over 3 years. If you were ever a member or lurker of SSP you would have seen our battles between Cincinnati - St. Louis. This thread is Jive's answer to my East St. Louis thread since he thinks I started it to trash St. Louis. Being that I lived in St. Louis for 5 years and let it be known that I hated it we have gone rounds on this issue many times.
July 7, 200618 yr Wow, a great look at the city! Very thorough thread. And I'm jealous of your rail transit! Cincinnati should be embarrassed for not having any.
July 7, 200618 yr ^ don't be too embarassed, it's relatively recent. otoh, it's cleveland that should be jealous, at least in st. louis they are growing their rail transit system, unlike clevo where rta is sitting on it's hands re rail and instead retreating to glorified bus lines.
July 7, 200618 yr One of the best city photo spreads I've seen in a long time. It's probably twice as long as it needs to be, but I'm very impressed. Nice mix of people, architecture and cityscapes. And, for those in Cincinnati who say using older rail tunnels for modern transit can't be done, I encourage you to visit St. Louis and to share this photo with others... Not only that, St. Louis used their existing rail tunnels (and Mississippi River bridge) as their local share to leverage federal funds to build their first rail transit line (all 18 miles of it). In other words, St. Louis didn't spend a single cent of local or state tax dollars to build that line! Are you listening Cincy? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 200618 yr Not only that, St. Louis used their existing rail tunnels (and Mississippi River bridge) as their local share to leverage federal funds to build their first rail transit line (all 18 miles of it). In other words, St. Louis didn't spend a single cent of local or state tax dollars to build that line! Are you listening Cincy? You're playing a broken record. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 8, 200618 yr You're playing a broken record. Actually, I think I'm playing a record no one cared to listen to in the first place. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 200618 yr Sometimes, records can have more than one song, if you catch my drift. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 8, 200618 yr But I like just the one song. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 10, 200618 yr St. Louis looks like a really big city in these shots. I used to think it was a city like Cincy but I think it has a much bigger feel from those photos. More urban and gritty. I liked the tour. And go "St. Louis City." SSSCincy, exactly what picture in this thread gives you the perception that the Lou looks like a bigger city? I'd like to see what photo you're using as the "gage".
July 10, 200618 yr I KNEW SOMEBODY WOULD CRACK!!! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 10, 200618 yr ColDayMan is tired of being the only one. Only the lonely. Hey, you wanted another song.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 10, 200618 yr ColDayMan is tired of being the only one. Only the lonely. Hey, you wanted another song.... ENOUGH WITH YOUR "ONE-HIT WONDERS!!!" "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 10, 200618 yr Come on, ColDay, oh, I swear (well he means) at this moment, you diss everything... (I'll skip the parts about taking off the dress)
July 10, 200618 yr Well, I like the people pix that are scattered through the thread. St Louis does indeed seem much larger than I expected, actually almost like Chicago or Cleveland in some parts (the back porches are really reminiscent of Chicago), and also a bit like Louisville too, in some of the older residential buildings details. I don't see much comparison here with Cincinnati at all (except for the dense downtown)...this is a very different feel going on in St Louis. This is a particularly urban scene, almost akin to the Gold Coast or some of the neighborhoods near the lake, in Chicago.
July 10, 200618 yr actually almost like Chicago or Cleveland in some parts (the back porches are really reminiscent of Chicago), and also a bit like Louisville too, in some of the older residential buildings details. I don't see much comparison here with Cincinnati at all (except for the dense downtown)...this is a very different feel going on in St Louis. Agreed. St. Louis just looks a bit different from Cincinnati, perhaps due to topography and similar architecture between St. Louis and Chicago, Cleveland, and Detroit (the brick flats, the Burnham-esque scale, etc). Cincinnati is more "akin" to Pittsburgh and Baltimore, as the streets are narrower, the architectural styles are similar (Italianate, color variety, etc), and topography similar. Though St Louis does have that "river city" feel that Cincinnati, Evansville, Louisville, and Pittsburgh have along the Ohio (though, of course, it's on the Mississippi). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 11, 200618 yr Well, I like the people pix that are scattered through the thread. St Louis does indeed seem much larger than I expected, actually almost like Chicago or Cleveland in some parts (the back porches are really reminiscent of Chicago), and also a bit like Louisville too, in some of the older residential buildings details. I don't see much comparison here with Cincinnati at all (except for the dense downtown)...this is a very different feel going on in St Louis. Amen.
February 2, 200817 yr Yep. I saved a copy of it for myself right after this thread was started. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 2, 200817 yr This has got to be one of the best photo threads ever on UO. JiveCity reminds us that cities just aren't buildings, but the people who live and work in them -- and what a diverse group they are in StL... I echo Jeff. Every time I see St. Louis residential threads with all the brick, multi-unit structures, including some very large, my reaction's the same: how in the hell does this city have an UNDER 400K population!? The building sizes and densities are seriously Chicago-like. Maybe St. Louis just has a bunch of poor census takers.
February 2, 200817 yr St. Louis' population used to be around 900,000 back in the early-mid 20th century but like every other northern city's population, it fell down (and in St. Louis' case, it fell as hard as Buffalo, Cleveland, or Detroit's). Thus, the infrastructure is built for around that population versus "who's left." Hell, Detroit had 2 million and Cleveland damn near had a million. There is a reason why those cities (who have half of their population left) feel larger than what shown. The obvious other exception is Cincinnati, which started to have flight early on in the mid-19th century, leaving Over-the-Rhine for hilltop areas such as Clifton and Hyde Park and eventually leaving THOSE places for Bond Hill and Carthage and eventually leaving THOSE areas to inner-belt/outer-belt areas (almost a concentric circle of depopulation). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 3, 200817 yr ^True, ColDay, but in each of those cities you mentioned, the bulk of the buildings that housed those multitudes -- at least those that were lost and that make the difference in today's counts -- are mostly gone or have mere boarded-up fragments left. Look at Hough, where the highest density of Cleveland's pop lived prior to 1950. Today, Hough's part ghost town/part low density w/ middle to upper middle housing on what were bucolic fields left behind around the time of the Hough Riots of the mid-60s, and before... ... whereas the St. Louis buildings I'm talking about, like those in this thread, are very much extant and occupied.
February 3, 200817 yr The depopulation the city has most hit North St. Louis the worst, where massive decay and abandonment is clearly evident. While there are still many functioning neighborhoods on the North Side, it is largely a patchwork of decline in various stages. The South Side and West End, with a few exceptions, have remained solid and populated throughout the years. This thread features pictures of all sections of the city, including many North Side neighborhoods.
February 4, 200817 yr Here are some examples of Northern St Louis. The severely depopulated portion of the city Jive is talking about: These are all taken from the site www.builtstlouis.net
February 4, 200817 yr Whoa ... you guys put the S, T & L in STYLE :wink: And you managed to capture a pretty amazing quote: "The only difference between 1984 and 2004 is that Reagan is dead". Great, great thread, and a pleasure meeting both of you. Yeah ... so I think a St. Louis road trip might be in order before my out-migration to Germany. Get some t-shirts ready!!!
February 6, 200817 yr Very nice! I spent a couple weekend in STL for conferences but was stuck downtown. You really captured something special. So many rich cities in the Great Lakes/ Ohio Valley!
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