February 17, 20169 yr ive lived here for 4 years now. ita comes off as country club IMO. I can't really explain it, happy for those who like to sit poolside...but from my perspective, it's a weird add . It's an active neighborhood, people like to run, bike, go to edgewater and the beach down there. I don't think there was previously demand for a pool. Maybe it's a new buyer they r targeting I don't get why having a pool is tacky? People who want to live in Cleveland shouldn't want or have amenities? Silly. You don't think swimming is a sport? And how often do you swim in Lake Erie? Yuck. I have a pool myself and am very active. I guess I don't get how that's country club? Obviously, just your opinion, but I'm not getting how this is a negative. If anything, it should increase your property values.
February 17, 20169 yr ^well my house is sold, the building that the pool is attached to is 5 stories and taller than any building in BP. Wipes out our views, so we moved quick and sold before they released their plans and it likely worked out
February 17, 20169 yr ^well my house is sold, the building that the pool is attached to is 5 stories and taller than any building in BP. Wipes out our views, so we moved quick and sold before they released their plans and it likely worked out Spoken like someone who may be more comfortable in Westlake. Too many tall buildings, accessible public amenities, and people in Battery Park huh?
February 17, 20169 yr ^well my house is sold, the building that the pool is attached to is 5 stories and taller than any building in BP. Wipes out our views, so we moved quick and sold before they released their plans and it likely worked out Spoken like someone who may be more comfortable in Westlake. Too many tall buildings, accessible public amenities, and people in Battery Park huh? Not a chance in hell. I turned my investment around at the right time, has nothing to do with my perception of the tall buildings. I could care less about them. I love living in the city. But from the perspective of someone who is buying a unit now vs when there is a tall building in front of it...I wasn't going to leave money on the table
February 17, 20169 yr I'm curious about this 5-story building with a pool. No updated site plan on the BatteryPark website but the website does look nice. Can't believe how much stuff is selling for out there. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/
February 17, 20169 yr I'm curious about this 5-story building with a pool. No updated site plan on the BatteryPark website but the website does look nice. Can't believe how much stuff is selling for out there. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/ Yea, I just saw last night some of the new listings and they are trying to get around $100-150k more than they paid. I'm curious to see how it plays out. I'm sure Believeland1 knows first hand the appreciation.
February 17, 20169 yr But from the perspective of someone who is buying a unit now vs when there is a tall building in front of it...I wasn't going to leave money on the table ....hmm... sounds strangely familiar...
February 17, 20169 yr But from the perspective of someone who is buying a unit now vs when there is a tall building in front of it...I wasn't going to leave money on the table ....hmm... sounds strangely familiar... I learn from the best
February 17, 20169 yr I'm curious about this 5-story building with a pool. No updated site plan on the BatteryPark website but the website does look nice. Can't believe how much stuff is selling for out there. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/ Yea, I just saw last night some of the new listings and they are trying to get around $100-150k more than they paid. I'm curious to see how it plays out. I'm sure Believeland1 knows first hand the appreciation. I just saw someone list on Battery Park Blvd a few days ago for 580K, not quite sure that is reasonable, considering for that money someone can go get their own place with unobstructed lakeviews (The edgewater collection). I was in an early phase, mid price point and the comparable ones in terms of square footage are going up much more expensive than I bought for in 2011...so I could undercut the new builds significantly and save a buyer a lot of money, yet make money myself. The current used property for sale on BP Blvd. is going over the new build price. good luck with that.
February 17, 20169 yr ^I follow you. I say it is tacky. Marous is just trying to keep up with the joneses. Both Snavely and the large apt development between 58th and 65th will have swimming pools. 10 years ago, the people who will fill these places may have been just as likely to have chosen a place in Westlake. ding ding! You folks are being jerks. Apartments & condo towers built 40 years ago on the Gold Coast of eastern Lakewood all had pools... It's an amenity plain & simple. Quit bein haters I'm being a jerk? I was agreeing that they were targeting surburban buyers who may have years ago chosen to live in Westlake. I'm all for it (so long as design elements are carefully reviewed). The ding ding was "We have a winner!"
February 17, 20169 yr I'm curious about this 5-story building with a pool. No updated site plan on the BatteryPark website but the website does look nice. Can't believe how much stuff is selling for out there. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/ There's a pretty updated plan in the Park Place Standards PDF they have under townhomes, including scales of the buildings between 69th and 70th.
February 17, 20169 yr This close to downtown, it's crazy not to have high rises on the shore. The lake and city views are such a major attraction they should not be limited to a small market through low density development. Look at what other major cities do with their shorelines. If this isn't a site to pack people into, what is?
February 17, 20169 yr This close to downtown, it's crazy not to have high rises on the shore. The lake and city views are such a major attraction they should not be limited to a small market through low density development. Look at what other major cities do with their shorelines. If this isn't a site to pack people into, what is? Agree the lake views are amazing and have been undervalued for too long. However with a north facing shoreline you run the risk of shading out the waterfront and face it, we are sun-starved enough up here. So setbacks in height could be a good idea.
February 17, 20169 yr This close to downtown, it's crazy not to have high rises on the shore. The lake and city views are such a major attraction they should not be limited to a small market through low density development. Look at what other major cities do with their shorelines. If this isn't a site to pack people into, what is? Councilman zone opposed high rises when vintage wanted to develop this site. It was planned as 3 high rises and he vetoed so they did townhomes and community instead. So that's what people have been buying and investing into for the last decade. I don't think they get any taller than the 5 story loft building they r currently marketing
February 18, 20169 yr ^why would zone block high-rises? Sounds retarded and bad for the city. Some people have been in the same (public) office for too long.
February 18, 20169 yr His blocking of high rises is the reason battery park looks like it currently does. Built into the fabric of an existing community. It worked out fairly well. The townhomes and single family homes would not be there if three high rises were built
February 18, 20169 yr This close to downtown, it's crazy not to have high rises on the shore. The lake and city views are such a major attraction they should not be limited to a small market through low density development. Look at what other major cities do with their shorelines. If this isn't a site to pack people into, what is? Agree the lake views are amazing and have been undervalued for too long. However with a north facing shoreline you run the risk of shading out the waterfront and face it, we are sun-starved enough up here. So setbacks in height could be a good idea. You do realize the waterfront is at least a quarter mile away? You'd have to build a hell of a high rise to "shade out" that waterfront.
February 18, 20169 yr This close to downtown, it's crazy not to have high rises on the shore. The lake and city views are such a major attraction they should not be limited to a small market through low density development. Look at what other major cities do with their shorelines. If this isn't a site to pack people into, what is? Agree the lake views are amazing and have been undervalued for too long. However with a north facing shoreline you run the risk of shading out the waterfront and face it, we are sun-starved enough up here. So setbacks in height could be a good idea. You do realize the waterfront is at least a quarter mile away? You'd have to build a hell of a high rise to "shade out" that waterfront. Hey I could be wrong, but if you're at the beach at Edgewater it's at a much lower elevation than the property due south. So a "high rise" in the vicinity of Battery Park in the scope of the Gold Coast in Lakewood could create an issue there.
February 18, 20169 yr I'm curious about this 5-story building with a pool. No updated site plan on the BatteryPark website but the website does look nice. Can't believe how much stuff is selling for out there. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/ There's a pretty updated plan in the Park Place Standards PDF they have under townhomes, including scales of the buildings between 69th and 70th. Boy those townhomes north of Park Place are REALLY close to the tracks... I'm surprised they can actually build on that parcel considering that deep sewer line that was relocated for the 73rd interchange project. Its funny how much the site plan for BP has evolved over the last 5 yrs or so
February 18, 20169 yr I'm surprised Norfolk Southern is OK with it, assuming they even know about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20169 yr Boy those townhomes north of Park Place are REALLY close to the tracks... I'm surprised they can actually build on that parcel considering that deep sewer line that was relocated for the 73rd interchange project. Its funny how much the site plan for BP has evolved over the last 5 yrs or so the sewer line runs along father fraschati. then up along the east side of 73rd to go under father caruso. It was moved from along the tracks further south so they could run 73rd down into the park. They are built on a slab, no basement. Even if the sewer line were directly beneath them.. it is over 30 feet down to where the sewer line is. the closest of those places are at either end and will be > 50 feet away. about the same distance from the tracks as the closest townhouses on father caruso east of w. 70th.
February 18, 20169 yr I'm surprised Norfolk Southern is OK with it, assuming they even know about it. Do they have any authority to stop development near their tracks?
February 18, 20169 yr They may not, but the feds might. In fact, I was going to add in my prior post (but didn't because it's only speculation) that the Federal Railroad Administration may have some restriction on new construction within X feet of mainline tracks. The tracks past Battery Park have 70 daily trains and the tracks are rated for 50 mph for freight and 70 mph for passenger. If there is a restriction, it may be for some "non-conforming use" like residential, or a school, or a medical facility, or similar "soft" use. A "hard" use like an industrial user or a railroad-owned structure might be permissible. I only speculate that they might have a restriction because I've not seen a residential structure built so close to the tracks like this, except where there were a grade difference so if a train derailed, railcars would hit an embankment or retaining wall like this development along the CSX mainline (about 30 trains/day, tracks likely rated for about 30 mph) near downtown Akron.... Akron-trackside-development1crop by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20169 yr They may not, but the feds might. In fact, I was going to add in my prior post (but didn't because it's only speculation) that the Federal Railroad Administration may have some restriction on new construction within X feet of mainline tracks. The tracks past Battery Park have 70 daily trains and the tracks are rated for 50 mph for freight and 70 mph for passenger. If there is a restriction, it may be for some "non-conforming use" like residential, or a school, or a medical facility, or similar "soft" use. A "hard" use like an industrial user or a railroad-owned structure might be permissible. I only speculate that they might have a restriction because I've not seen a residential structure built so close to the tracks like this, except where there were a grade difference so if a train derailed, railcars would hit an embankment or retaining wall like this development along the CSX mainline (about 30 trains/day, tracks likely rated for about 30 mph) near downtown Akron.... I could be wrong, but I think that embankment / grade change is there because that was formerly the site of a railroad depot. Hence that amazingly named "The Depot" housing development. That's also just how the existing grading works compared to the road on the other side of the building. Not that it's not applicable however.
February 18, 20169 yr You are correct. The Erie Railroad's passenger and freight depots were located there. The developer took advantage of a pre-existing feature. It just so happens that embankment offers some protection to the new housing, regardless of the wall's original purpose or even the housing developers' intentions. BTW, the former Erie Railroad right of way between the CSX tracks and the housing is owned by Akron Metro RTA. But that's the root of a discussion for another thread. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20169 yr Boy those townhomes north of Park Place are REALLY close to the tracks... I'm surprised they can actually build on that parcel considering that deep sewer line that was relocated for the 73rd interchange project. the sewer line runs along father fraschati. then up along the east side of 73rd to go under father caruso. It was moved from along the tracks further south so they could run 73rd down into the park. They are built on a slab, no basement. Even if the sewer line were directly beneath them.. it is over 30 feet down to where the sewer line is. I know how deep the sewer line is, that's not the point. The issue is that you can't build on top of it, period.
February 18, 20169 yr ^Says who? I've worked on projects built over public sewers before. Grade beams can do wonders for building over public utility easements.
February 18, 20169 yr ^I'll defer to you. When I lived out there, Vintage said they had to redesign the site because they could not build on top of the sewer easement... It's also been my experience on other jobs but of course always exceptions
February 18, 20169 yr I can't speak of this exact situation since I'm not involved, but it definitely happens. Usually it's just avoided due to the added costs, difficulty in construction, variances, etc. that generally make it not worth it. But if someone really wants something it can definitely be built on top of.
February 18, 20169 yr ^ I live on Father Frascati and watched the entire project unfold, it doesn't run "under Father FrascatI", its about 100-200 feet north of Father Frascati running parallel to it. They didn't touch our street during that project.
February 22, 20169 yr The factory property at 70th-73rd and Fr Caruso is fenced off. Demolition supposed to start very soon.
February 22, 20169 yr Question for you guys: how much of the old Paramount complex on West 58th is being demolished for Breakwater Bluffs. Is the entire thing (i.e., everything south of the Westinghouse Bldg) gone? If viewed in googlemaps Lite mode, this aerial shows the Paramount complex in mid demo, but not sure if the plan was to finish the job or leave some of it standing... http://bit.ly/1T2mUEs
February 24, 20169 yr The factory/warehouse property between 70th and 73rd has started to come down. It looked almost halfway demolished when I passed by this morning.
February 24, 20169 yr Not sure if you guys are aware, but the Mobil Martin ambulance company on 73rd sold their complex to Marous. I believe they have til September to relocate.
February 24, 20169 yr ^ and ^^ Vintage will be building apartments on that side of 73rd. 4 story complex near where Mobil Martin and it will cascade down to 2 stories the closer it gets to the lake where the said demo is currently taking place. The two story is to maintain the city and lake views for current condo/townhome owners
February 24, 20169 yr Not sure if you guys are aware, but the Mobil Martin ambulance company on 73rd sold their complex to Marous. I believe they have til September to relocate. Marty -- welcome aboard! I hope you keep posting! Interesting that the ambulance business didn't own the property, the owner/president Martin O. Virsis owned it. It was sold to Marous (aka Battery Park Development LLC) for $720,000 on Dec. 21, 2015. Here's the listing.... http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1279-W-73rd-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/2106169524_zpid/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 24, 20169 yr Martin Virsis is the sole owner of Mobil Martin. He live(ed) in the apartment above the offices there. He's the Martin in Mobil Martin.
February 25, 20169 yr Is there a link to whatever the plans are for this new 4 story cascading to 2 apartment block looks like?
February 25, 20169 yr Factory Demo at 70th and Father Caruso underway right now. :) ( sorry for the cross posting -- couldn't choose between Det-Shore/GS thread and this )
February 25, 20169 yr Is there a link to whatever the plans are for this new 4 story cascading to 2 apartment block looks like? Not yet, was presented at the HOA meeting, but I don't think Vintage has posted it publicly yet
March 11, 20169 yr Opening Soon: Vita Urbana in Battery Park’s Shoreway Building via dougtrattner[/member] https://t.co/sGJEuIIeo3 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20169 yr More coming? http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/05062016/index.php Cleveland Planning Commission Agenda for May 6, 2016 MANDATORY REFERRALS Ordinance No. 429-16(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): Authorizing the Director of Capital Projects to issue a permit to Battery Park Development, LLC to encroach into the public right-of-way of West 73rd Street by installing, using, and maintaining a building foundation. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20169 yr ^yeah, apartments on the east side of 73rd where they just demolished that old factory and then the townhomes/condos on the west side of 73rd that they are currently marketing
May 3, 20169 yr ^yeah, apartments on the east side of 73rd where they just demolished that old factory and then the townhomes/condos on the west side of 73rd that they are currently marketing That's gonna be nice. Also looking forward to the street getting punched through from 70th to 73rd.
May 6, 20169 yr Battery Park Planned Urban Development Meeting Wednesday, May 11. 6pm Our Lady of Mt. Carmel (6928 Detroit Ave) To discuss Vintage Development's proposed plan for the area between W70th and W. 73rd as well as the connector street.
May 12, 20169 yr Battery Park Planned Urban Development Meeting Wednesday, May 11. 6pm Our Lady of Mt. Carmel (6928 Detroit Ave) To discuss Vintage Development's proposed plan for the area between W70th and W. 73rd as well as the connector street. So i went to this meeting last night. Very nice gentleman gave over an hour long presentation. There were and are NO supporting materials available.... For the most part a very good plan. The developer was able to purchase the mobile martin property. 1279 w. 73rd The developer was unable to secure the property to the north of the mobile martin property and south of the structure you see above that has been demo'd J & M something or other. The old "plan" called for pushing father frascati through from 73rd to 70th. The new plan calls for Battery Park Blvd to be the connecting street. Some good in the plan. Mix of 5, 3, 2 story buildings. Some ground floor retail on 73rd. Bike and car sharing. Dense mixed use. AND then the elephant hiding under the rug....... hour into the meeting, slide 55 of 60 or so had a big grey shadow in the renderings. the last slide had a 20 story building. just to the south of where Battery park blvd would be pushed through. That went over like a lead balloon. For reference the building at 1331 w 70th is a 9 story building.
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