I assume this passed?

 

 

City of Cleveland

BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS

August 8, 2011

 

 

POSTPONED FROM JUNE 27, 2011

 

10:30

 

Ward 15

Calendar No.11-67:

              1261 West 76th Street     

Matthew Zone

 

 

12 Notices

Gillespie Brothers Ltd., owner, appeal for use and Certificate of Occupancy as a bar with entertainment, an outdoor patio and canopy on a 40’ x 110.02’ corner lot located in a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Overlay District within a G3 Multi-Family District; subject to the provisions in Section 334.13, after completion of initial construction, no Building Permit or Certificate of Occupancy shall be issued for any lot within a development or any phase thereof for which a Site Plan  has been approved under Section 334.04 or division (b) of Section 334.05 unless one of the following applies:

                (a) the application for a Building Permit or Certificate of Occupancy conforms to the approved Final Site Plan;

                (b) the application conforms to all regulations applicable to properties for which a Site Plan has not been approved and is also generally consistent, in the judgment of the Director, with the approved Site Plan; or

                © an amendment to the approved Site Plan is approved under Section 334.10 to allow the action for which the Permit or Certificate is sought; or

                (d) for Permits or Certificates affecting a single lot of less than one quarter acre containing less than five thousand square feet of gross floor area, a Variance from the Site Plan or the regulations of this Code has been approved by the Board of Zoning  Appeals. 

Contrary to Section 337.08 the proposed use for a bar with entertainment and outdoor patio are not permitted and first allowed in a General Retail Business district; and pursuant to Section 349.04(e), a parking area in the amount of three times the gross floor/patio area is required under the Cleveland Codified Ordinances.  (Filed 5-4-11; no testimony taken.)

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2011/crr08-08-2011.html

We did buy..we were nervous because its our first home, but we went all in.  The incentives and perks are great and its a neighborhood that isnt goin anywhere but up.  I would recommend it to anyone now before it gets sizzling hot.

 

Welcome!  We see your place being built. Looks good!

BOZA voted unanimously to approve the patio permit at Reddstone

 

I think there is only 1 or 2 units left fore sale in the new building being framed and I see a first floor unit on the H3 building sold this week

I saw the plumber parked into vacant single family on W 76. Perhaps starting finish work?

yeah it's being finished, closing date is about 60 days away

CLEJoe, for a first time buyer all you need is 3% down of your own money (trust me, you have to document it is all your money) and you can qualify for a FHA loan administered by HUD, for a house that is move in ready.

 

If you want more specific info, PM me.  That is how I got my house down here in NOLA

 

It's actually 3.5% for an FHA loan and it can be a gift from a family member, but their money has to be documented. Unless you fit some sort OHFA program or a community based down payment assistance program, for example there's the hero's program where certain people in the medical field may qualify for 3% down payment assistance.

Not *exactly* Battery Park but I noticed a nearby townhome at 6915 Fr. Caruso is now up for sale moderately priced.

 

Only down side...you'd have a really bad neighbor.......me. :)

To paraphrase the Diamond Man Larry Robinson (OK kiddies, I know I pulled that out of the Way-Back Machine, but his jewelry stores were advertised as "across from but not in" area malls to save money but to benefit from their locations), this large for-sale property is across from but not in Battery Park....

 

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17206763/6400-BREAKWATER-AVE-Cleveland-OH/

 

I already spoke to Councilman Zone about this some time ago and his desire is to keep this area for manufacturing/industrial of some type, rather than redevelop for residential....  besides, unless you could get the full parcel for development, including the Westinghouse building up against the Shoreway and associated buildings, it's not nearly as desirable.  Still an interesting parcel to watch for developments.

 

 

Yeah, that area is worth a lot more as industrial than residential.  No residential stuff immediately downwind, rail access, and industrial properties to the south.  You start moving people in there, the first thing they start doing is complaining about trucks, trains, noises, and smells. 

 

EMI redid foundry equipment so it's possible there's sand/oil/etc. on site.  Any brownfields issues and forget it, which is a real shame as it's a nice industrial site that could bring in some jobs for city residents, and some managers, etc. into Battery Park.

Slow and steady -

 

Looks like they've paved out the next lot for townhomes on the North side of Fr. Frascati at 73rd.

Thanks for the update!

the next phase of construction will be taking place south of father frascati on 73rd....just to correct.

the next phase of construction will be taking place south of father frascati on 73rd....just to correct.

 

Ok, that makes more sense. Have they already started any presales on 73rd?

the next phase of construction will be taking place south of father frascati on 73rd....just to correct.

 

Arent those already built?

^ No.  The latest phase was ON Father Frascati.  Three units are closing soon in that buiding leaving only two available.  From what I hear, they want to begin the next phase in April on 73rd...that will complete that block.  I am sure if one wanted to talk pre-sale, the realtors will gladly entertain.

^ No.  The latest phase was ON Father Frascati.  Three units are closing soon in that buiding leaving only two available.  From what I hear, they want to begin the next phase in April on 73rd...that will complete that block.  I am sure if one wanted to talk pre-sale, the realtors will gladly entertain.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. Now I see where its going.

New billboard up on 73rd.

 

Battery Park now pre-selling for Phase III

New billboard up on 73rd.

 

Battery Park now pre-selling for Phase III

 

Yay!!!

I'm extremely surprised they haven't started anything for rentals yet.  There are very few modern rental places in that area.

Not part of Battery Park technically, but sources telling me the old warehouse facing the tracks at the end of 76th & 78th is moving forward as a conversion to apartments.  There were delays based on the market collapse and getting the tunnel on 76th started/finished but that has resolved itself.  Owner is not divulging much info, but I know they have retained an architect to move forward with design.  Next thing I would look for is a change in zoning to allow residential & first floor parking

 

 

You mean this?

 

 

 

I wrote an article for Sun a long time ago about this (maybe in 2005 or 2006?) but I can't find it on the Web anymore.

yeah I have those plans from Dimit, nice renderings, included the buildout on top, when the building was slated for condos.  They used to be on their website but I just checked and it's not there anymore.  But yes, same building, different architect.

Wow, those were approved by the Planning Commission when I was still working there. Glad to see they are moving forward.

Yep, you're old.

 

Any word on if the machine shop just south of the four-story building will be part of this? In the first redevelopment version, it was to remain a machine shop. Not sure how well the residential and light-industrial would go together...

If the conversion goes through, this will be exciting for this whole neighborhood because that thing is a huge eyesore along with the old laundrymat next to BK. I live on 74th and its crazy how this neighborhood has changed over the years for the good :-). - fingers crossed -

^ I just bought a house on 57th!

^ I just bought a house on 57th!

 

 

Good for you!

 

Oh... and kind of peri-BP news.  Reddstone is closed until March 16 for a remodel.

 

Hopefully it comes back all spruced up (and with better service ;) )

You mean this?

 

 

 

I wrote an article for Sun a long time ago about this (maybe in 2005 or 2006?) but I can't find it on the Web anymore.

 

Are these targeted for the deaf community or do they have a way to abate the train and highway noise?

 

Are these targeted for the deaf community or do they have a way to abate the train and highway noise?

 

You a funny man. No more than the luxury townhomes just to the east along Father Caruso Drive.

 

In Berea I lived next to same tracks, plus a second busy line that came through, plus SR237, plus Hopkins' south approach to the old north-south runway. After a few days I didn't notice the noise anymore. In fact when I went to house-sit for my parents out in Aurora, I had to turn on a TV with the volume up so I could fall asleep.

 

Are these targeted for the deaf community or do they have a way to abate the train and highway noise?

 

You a funny man. No more than the luxury townhomes just to the east along Father Caruso Drive.

 

In Berea I lived next to same tracks, plus a second busy line that came through, plus SR237, plus Hopkins' south approach to the old north-south runway. After a few days I didn't notice the noise anymore. In fact when I went to house-sit for my parents out in Aurora, I had to turn on a TV with the volume up so I could fall asleep.

 

I've been living roughly 100 feet from the tracks on Father Caruso at 69th for 15 years now.  The first night I took the keys to the house it was a gorgeous April evening so I slept with the window open.  About an hour later I was hammered out of a sound sleep by the sound of a freight train coming through that sounded, well, ... like a feight train coming through.

 

I closed the window and went to sleep.  After that I slept with the windows closed and had no problem.  We recently had our North facing windows and doors replaced  (they take a lot of weather) and went with triple pane  which has cut the noise.

 

Now train noise is only a problem if windows or open or, the most common, if partying on the deck.

 

Oh, and you can't even hear the Shoreway at all.

 

The unobstructed lake, park and marina views by far outweight any down side of noise.

I have no problem with that train at all.  I live about 500 feet from it.  White noise.

I live a few units down from Dergon Darkhelm.  About 30 feet from the tracks.

 

My report is the same.  Windows closed (new triple panes last year) you don't notice.  On the deck, you notice.

 

 

BP or Stonewater, I'd have no problem with the noise.

 

Call me crazy, I'd like being able to see/hear the trains coming by. In Lakewood I'm in the flight path for CLE and get a good look at the planes landing. On a south wind I can hear the train and even the rapid. If I expect the noise to be a regular occurrence, I sleep just fine.

 

My perfect place here would be one where I could have an epic view of the trains, the lake, the port operations, tugboats and ore carriers going by. To me that's what makes Cleveland interesting.

 

 

^Bingham or National Terminal.  Or you could get one of the new apartments in the Flats East Bank when those come on the market.

^Bingham or National Terminal.  Or you could get one of the new apartments in the Flats East Bank when those come on the market.

 

Thanks. To clarify, I'd need to own the space, my renting days are over and I love owning my walls lol.

 

In my imagination, my place is perched over where the salt mines and Great Lakes Towing are. The Flats could be awesome, and more realistic, but I'm not sold either Bank is heading in the right direction for me personally.

 

But I love what BP and future Stonewater represent; more people getting the chance to experience the great potential of the waterfront.

 

 

 

^Ahhh... I see.  Then you're looking for something more like this $1.25 million beauty! 

 

http://www.howardhanna.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=3279047&PRM_MlsName=NorthernOH&VAR_AgentCode=&VAR_OfficeCode=

Or you could buy a condo in Riverbend on West 10th overlooking Settlers Landing.

^^ Jeez do I hate those!  If someone filmed a schmaltzy TV series there, they could call it "Little Modernist House on the Prairie".

Ha ha. I saw Gottaplan already put a bid down on this. Seems he wanted to have an unobstructed view of his favorite Cleveland attraction: The Shoreway.

 

^Ahhh... I see.  Then you're looking for something more like this $1.25 million beauty! 

 

http://www.howardhanna.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=3279047&PRM_MlsName=NorthernOH&VAR_AgentCode=&VAR_OfficeCode=

Or you could buy a condo in Riverbend on West 10th overlooking Settlers Landing.

 

Curious, can you see the lake from there? 

 

I'm afraid the waterside neighborhood I want to be in exists only in my imagination.

 

However, I'm hoping that some day in my lifetime we can have a "Mystic Seaport" kind of thing going on here.  Heck, I'd even consider a houseboat community. But right now the "islands" of potential are surrounded by too much blight for my tastes; at least in the places that are more intimate with the river.

 

My urban pioneering days are behind me, as I've been gentrified by Lakewood.

 

But what potential!

Semi-somewhat related to BP and some of the discussion here - for a good idea of railway noise, go grab a drink in the BP winebar but head upstairs.  The rollup door on ground floor of the bar lets a ton of noise in.  Go through the doors into the center area and go up the stairs beside the elevator.  The sales center space is usually open till 7pm or so, not many people know this.  Great view looking down on to Edgewater Beach.  Wait for a train to come by.  You'll see how quiet it is with high quality windows and 14" thick masonry walls.  Neat little scale 3D model of BP development fully built out (several years old though).  Check out the old gantry crane/hoist they left in place up in the steel rafters and the structural reinforcements they added to pull the old walls back together...

^Ahhh... I see.  Then you're looking for something more like this $1.25 million beauty!

 

http://www.howardhanna.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=3279047&PRM_MlsName=NorthernOH&VAR_AgentCode=&VAR_OfficeCode=

 

That provides a nice little tour of the place--always wondered what one of those looked like from the inside.

 

 

gotta plan

 

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4810-Tillman-Ave_Cleveland_OH_44102_M32490-60741

 

check that out..... a little further from the train but you get everything else.  For 239,000

gotta plan

 

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4810-Tillman-Ave_Cleveland_OH_44102_M32490-60741

 

check that out..... a little further from the train but you get everything else.  For 239,000

 

They did a good job in hiding all the kids' toys in one of those townhouses.

gotta plan

 

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4810-Tillman-Ave_Cleveland_OH_44102_M32490-60741

 

check that out..... a little further from the train but you get everything else.  For 239,000

 

They did a good job in hiding all the kids' toys in one of those townhouses.

 

I have a townhouse...similar setup.

 

no kids.

 

would probably work though, 2400 square feet ( what I have in mine) is more than enough for 4 people...had 4 people in 1200 sq feet with 1/2 a finished basement back in the day, no worries.

 

 

 

Are these targeted for the deaf community or do they have a way to abate the train and highway noise?

 

You a funny man. No more than the luxury townhomes just to the east along Father Caruso Drive.

 

In Berea I lived next to same tracks, plus a second busy line that came through, plus SR237, plus Hopkins' south approach to the old north-south runway. After a few days I didn't notice the noise anymore. In fact when I went to house-sit for my parents out in Aurora, I had to turn on a TV with the volume up so I could fall asleep.

 

I've been living roughly 100 feet from the tracks on Father Caruso at 69th for 15 years now.  The first night I took the keys to the house it was a gorgeous April evening so I slept with the window open.  About an hour later I was hammered out of a sound sleep by the sound of a freight train coming through that sounded, well, ... like a feight train coming through.

 

I closed the window and went to sleep.  After that I slept with the windows closed and had no problem.  We recently had our North facing windows and doors replaced  (they take a lot of weather) and went with triple pane  which has cut the noise.

 

Now train noise is only a problem if windows or open or, the most common, if partying on the deck.

 

Oh, and you can't even hear the Shoreway at all.

 

The unobstructed lake, park and marina views by far outweight any down side of noise.

 

We live on W 76 and you just get used to the noise. I grew up near trains so it was like coming home!  You can't beat the views and walking to the lake.

Semi-somewhat related to BP and some of the discussion here - for a good idea of railway noise, go grab a drink in the BP winebar but head upstairs.  The rollup door on ground floor of the bar lets a ton of noise in.  Go through the doors into the center area and go up the stairs beside the elevator.  The sales center space is usually open till 7pm or so, not many people know this.  Great view looking down on to Edgewater Beach.  Wait for a train to come by.  You'll see how quiet it is with high quality windows and 14" thick masonry walls.  Neat little scale 3D model of BP development fully built out (several years old though).  Check out the old gantry crane/hoist they left in place up in the steel rafters and the structural reinforcements they added to pull the old walls back together...

Not part of Battery Park technically, but sources telling me the old warehouse facing the tracks at the end of 76th & 78th is moving forward as a conversion to apartments.  There were delays based on the market collapse and getting the tunnel on 76th started/finished but that has resolved itself.  Owner is not divulging much info, but I know they have retained an architect to move forward with design.  Next thing I would look for is a change in zoning to allow residential & first floor parking

 

 

Not part of Battery Park technically, but sources telling me the old warehouse facing the tracks at the end of 76th & 78th is moving forward as a conversion to apartments.  There were delays based on the market collapse and getting the tunnel on 76th started/finished but that has resolved itself.  Owner is not divulging much info, but I know they have retained an architect to move forward with design.  Next thing I would look for is a change in zoning to allow residential & first floor parking

 

 

Not part of Battery Park technically, but sources telling me the old warehouse facing the tracks at the end of 76th & 78th is moving forward as a conversion to apartments.  There were delays based on the market collapse and getting the tunnel on 76th started/finished but that has resolved itself.  Owner is not divulging much info, but I know they have retained an architect to move forward with design.  Next thing I would look for is a change in zoning to allow residential & first floor parking

 

 

 

Saw some architects and construction folks in and out of the warehouse building earlier this week.

Looks like all but 1 of the 8 units in the latest building have sold now - several slated to close this weekend or in the next 30 days.  Starting the next building along 73rd in a few weeks.

Great news!