June 21, 20177 yr It's on a dead end road. There really isn't going to be any pedestrian through traffic. Not sure I agree that there really wouldn't be any pedestrian activity here (blank wall), looks like they're proposing townhomes across the street.
June 21, 20177 yr The townhouses (number 12 buildings) are already built. They face the lake with their backs to this blank wall. A row of garages.
June 21, 20177 yr Are they planning on expanding both Father Frescati and Battery Park Blvd to W. 70th? I hope so. They really need a couple stop signs on that street to regulate traffic flow and speed.
June 21, 20177 yr the plan is 1 street. Battery park av will be extended but it will curve north to meet the edge of the 9 story tower that exists on 70th.. so ends up kind of 1/2 way between bp av an frascati.
June 21, 20177 yr The townhouses (number 12 buildings) are already built. They face the lake with their backs to this blank wall. A row of garages. Ah, I see.
June 22, 20177 yr The townhouses (number 12 buildings) are already built. They face the lake with their backs to this blank wall. A row of garages. There are townhomes on W. 74th that will be looking directly at that wall. There should have been more thought given to design or public art installation. A giant wall does not give a good pedestrian and community feel. As far as site orientation, I understand the siting as it looks like they are trying to make W. 73rd a thoroughfare.
June 22, 20177 yr Went to dinner at Cha last night. Had to park about 5 blocks away. I am usually on the "screw your parking demand" team... but something needs to be done to address this if there is any shot at retail thriving in BP
June 22, 20177 yr ^^^ And Battery Park is getting ready to add a 70-unit apartment building, a 30-unit condo and 21 more townhomes.
June 22, 20177 yr Went to dinner at Cha last night. Had to park about 5 blocks away. I am usually on the "screw your parking demand" team... but something needs to be done to address this if there is any shot at retail thriving in BP There needs to be more on-street parking made available, if that's even possible right now. I think it's a question as to how much retail is really desired at BP? I'm pretty sure a significant number of residents don't want that type of growth, and would prefer to keep Detroit as the primary retail corridor.
June 22, 20177 yr Cha is doing the same it always has. Kills it with private events and is a big beneficiary of events like edgewater live and summer in general. They also have winter weeknights where few guests come. If they were going to close they probably would've a while back. The growth in the area will help them. Parking is going to be a disaster for visitors. They really could use some non car connectivity
June 22, 20177 yr Went to dinner at Cha last night. Had to park about 5 blocks away. I am usually on the "screw your parking demand" team... but something needs to be done to address this if there is any shot at retail thriving in BP So, there's no parking spots due to retail but retail needs needs more parking to thrive? What's the saying? "No one goes there anymore because it's too crowded."
June 22, 20177 yr Went to dinner at Cha last night. Had to park about 5 blocks away. I am usually on the "screw your parking demand" team... but something needs to be done to address this if there is any shot at retail thriving in BP So, there's no parking spots due to retail but retail needs needs more parking to thrive? What's the saying? "No one goes there anymore because it's too crowded." Ha. But to his point, is a lack of parking and transit access going to limit retail opportunities? I think BP is going to be a battleground, just like every other popular, dare I say "coastal" neighborhood.
June 22, 20177 yr Went to dinner at Cha last night. Had to park about 5 blocks away. I am usually on the "screw your parking demand" team... but something needs to be done to address this if there is any shot at retail thriving in BP So, there's no parking spots due to retail but retail needs needs more parking to thrive? What's the saying? "No one goes there anymore because it's too crowded." Lol, I am referring to the additional plans for retail. Secondly, there was no parking, but we walked into a relatively empty Cha (though the patio had decent traffic) and then had a beer at Terrestrial which was maybe half full. I am smitten with Battery Park as an area, I love the density of the townhomes, but there are some practical limitations into making it a "neighborhood" without allowing greater access to those that do not live in the immediate area and does not want to have to make an hour commute to link buses from another part of town.
June 22, 20177 yr How much additional retail is slated for Battery Park? Isn't it just the smallish space in the base of the Park Place building shown in the recent renderings? How full does the on-street parking get? Looks like there's quite a bit of parkable street length along West 74th, 75th and 76th, Fr. Frescati, Battery Park Blvd and Goodwalt. Do these fill completely up pretty regularly?
June 22, 20177 yr How much additional retail is slated for Battery Park? Isn't it just the smallish space in the base of the Park Place building shown in the recent renderings? How full does the on-street parking get? Looks like there's quite a bit of parkable street length along West 74th, 75th and 76th, Fr. Frescati, Battery Park Blvd and Goodwalt. Do these fill completely up pretty regularly? In my experience, yes. Though they did do a good job carving out some Additional feet in the street so parking does not impede the flow of two way traffic.
October 8, 20177 yr View of the new apartment building rising, as seen from the Edgewater beach house:
December 4, 20177 yr Popped over to Terrestrial last night after checking out the new trail from W25th to Edgewater. The new apartment building is coming along nicely and has a really impactful presence.
December 4, 20177 yr Building looks great. Also a tribute to our industrial past while keeping modern elements.
December 4, 20177 yr WOW! I didn't know they were going full brick. I LOVE that building. Excellent addition to that development
December 5, 20177 yr Just so you guys know, please stop using Photobucket. You must have a premium account to view third party photos, like the ones jws just posted. Please use Imgur or something else that can be universally seen. Otherwise people who don't have premium accounts on Photobucket just see blank photo spaces on the page like I do. Also Photobucket isn' really forgiving either. They screwed everyone over who had photo libraries on their website, so people had to pay premiums to access their photos again. Shady stuff. Could somebody please re-up those photos so I can see them?
December 5, 20177 yr Weird. I could see the three photos yesterday. Can't see them today. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20177 yr Weird. I could see the three photos yesterday. Can't see them today. Yeah Photobucket isn't so reliable anymore... Based on the slap upon the face they gave their users I don't think anyone should use their services. The complex looks great! Thanks for the conversion!
December 7, 20177 yr This was a couple of weeks ago... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20177 yr Nice. Do you guys think that BP is a good possible template for future residential development around North Coast Harbor? Most people i speak with are very happy with what's going on here.
December 8, 20177 yr Nice. Do you guys think that BP is a good possible template for future residential development around North Coast Harbor? Most people i speak with are very happy with what's going on here. 12 pictures and not one pedestrian. Was this on purpose?
December 9, 20177 yr I just wanted to p!ss you off. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 20177 yr Nice. Do you guys think that BP is a good possible template for future residential development around North Coast Harbor? Most people i speak with are very happy with what's going on here. I'd say at the harbor the buildings should be taller AND units smaller AND have a mix of 1, 2, 3, and 4-bedrooms, AND have retail on the ground floor. without such its not a very comforting, safe, and welcoming place. Retail should be coffee shops, diner, burger place, a few upscale eating places, a chipotle, maybe some cool stores, and stores that support the housing there--like a grocery store, laundromat/dry cleaner, drug store, hardware store, at the very least.
December 9, 20177 yr Nice. Do you guys think that BP is a good possible template for future residential development around North Coast Harbor? Most people i speak with are very happy with what's going on here. I'd say at the harbor the buildings should be taller AND units smaller AND have a mix of 1, 2, 3, and 4-bedrooms, AND have retail on the ground floor. without such its not a very comforting, safe, and welcoming place. Retail should be coffee shops, diner, burger place, a few upscale eating places, a chipotle, maybe some cool stores, and stores that support the housing there--like a grocery store, laundromat/dry cleaner, drug store, hardware store, at the very least. I'd love to see more height but the airport is the issue that always comes up against it. Ground floor retail is a no-brainer. I like that most of the BP architecture has a "coastal" look to it. Also the new bike path is a great asset that NCH can incorporate.
December 13, 20177 yr I just wanted to p!ss you off. Ha, well I was just thinking that if people "liked" it there would be more pedestrian activity.
December 17, 20177 yr http://batteryparkcleveland.com/available-townhomes/ Sales billboard for The Lakeside at Battery Park now up. (The parcel between 70th and 73rd at Fr. Caruso) "Starting at $499,000" ..... wow. Makes me glad I got in 100 feet away in 1998 :)
December 20, 20177 yr I completely forgot this place existed. The million dollar question.... "We offered great solutions for the community," he said. "Unfortunately after a year and a half we could not hit our projections. Still unsure why." Battery Park restaurant Vita Urbana closes http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/vita_urbana_restaurant_closes.html#incart_river_home
December 20, 20177 yr Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20177 yr Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? From the article the owner stated the business was intended to cater more to residents. I wonder if there are a significant number of BP residents that are averse to outside visitors.
December 20, 20177 yr Are there enough residents within BP to support a business like this? That seems like a poor business model if you ask me. Perhaps why they are closing.
December 20, 20177 yr This was a nice little cafe/bar with a mini-market in the back. I stopped in a few times, but unless you were is a huge rush, there wasn't a great reason to visit the market portion. It seemed to be stocked inconsistently, and there wasn't a huge variety there. As a beer/wine store, you have much better selection up the road at Banter or (slightly further) Astoria. These neighborhood market concepts seem to be tough to launch - even the market selection at Astoria was scaled back pretty early on in favor of more tables. Hopefully some added density around BP will make it more feasible for neighborhood businesses to succeed in the future.
December 20, 20177 yr Are there enough residents within BP to support a business like this? That seems like a poor business model if you ask me. Perhaps why they are closing. This is exactly Mike's problem. he saw BP as some sort of unlimited revenue stream from its residents, instead of building a business model for the masses (like Banter, Happy Dog, Brewnuts, Local West). Mike is a really good guy, but i dont think conceptually he knows how to serve an ubran area
December 20, 20177 yr Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? From the article the owner stated the business was intended to cater more to residents. I wonder if there are a significant number of BP residents that are averse to outside visitors. Most in BP liked Mike. But in reality there are only a couple hundred residents in BP proper. Assuming not every one of them will go to your place every day, thats tough to keep doors open. Nobody is coming to his place from the burbs as a destination and the younger people in the area didnt really like the concept...its very baby boomerish
December 20, 20177 yr Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? From the article the owner stated the business was intended to cater more to residents. I wonder if there are a significant number of BP residents that are averse to outside visitors. Most in BP liked Mike. But in reality there are only a couple hundred residents in BP proper. Assuming not every one of them will go to your place every day, thats tough to keep doors open. Nobody is coming to his place from the burbs as a destination and the younger people in the area didnt really like the concept...its very baby boomerish I met him back when he opened the wine bar, he was really nice. I was just wondering if this latest endeavor was a result of polling the residents on what they wanted, ie a fairly insular place that specifically wasn't a destination spot.
December 20, 20177 yr Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? From the article the owner stated the business was intended to cater more to residents. I wonder if there are a significant number of BP residents that are averse to outside visitors. Most in BP liked Mike. But in reality there are only a couple hundred residents in BP proper. Assuming not every one of them will go to your place every day, thats tough to keep doors open. Nobody is coming to his place from the burbs as a destination and the younger people in the area didnt really like the concept...its very baby boomerish I met him back when he opened the wine bar, he was really nice. I was just wondering if this latest endeavor was a result of polling the residents on what they wanted, ie a fairly insular place that specifically wasn't a destination spot. First and foremost, he moved to the shoreway building because rent was much cheaper than it was from Vintage at the powerhouse. he loves the area, as the article states and he would openly tell you. I just dont think he thought of the world outside of BP. There was no resident polling, at least when i lived there
December 20, 20177 yr Vita Urbana was doomed from day 1 The place had the vibe of a morning coffee-shop lobby market in the ground level a Marriott in some resort. The offerings in the min-mart almost seemed like they came out of a randomizer.... like a huge amount of the cooler dedicated to different flavors of sauerkraut but no eggs. I've said it before in this thread.... the places north of Detroit/ in BP (as opposed to the new places up on Detroit) that seem to be either poorly managed, poorly planned, conceptually flawed or all of the above. I can't put a finger on why. As a resident I very much hope for some success in the future.
December 20, 20177 yr Seems like a traditional small grocer or convenience store might do better, and might help anchor other businesses with the traffic it brings. Never heard of it either. Where was it? "Still unsure why"? Maybe a lack of advertising, perhaps?? From the article the owner stated the business was intended to cater more to residents. I wonder if there are a significant number of BP residents that are averse to outside visitors. There's a conceptual tension in the way this has been set up from the start. Prime urban location but every move seems calculated to minimize the urbanity. It's even marketed as "not too urban!" http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/battery_park_townhouse_offers.html
July 1, 20186 yr I completely forgot this place existed. The million dollar question.... "We offered great solutions for the community," he said. "Unfortunately after a year and a half we could not hit our projections. Still unsure why." Battery Park restaurant Vita Urbana closes http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/vita_urbana_restaurant_closes.html#incart_river_home Rumors floating around the neighborhood that tenants are close to signing on both the Vida Urbana spot and might already be a done deal to come in to the Graffiti (I'm old enough that I still call it Snickers) spot. (Cha/ YOLO still fallow)
July 1, 20186 yr ^ ive really enjoyed the 3-4 times I’ve been to terrestrial brewing. Have they been regarded as good neighbors in the community Dergon?
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