February 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, YO to the CLE said: ^Same developer as electric gardens? Looks very similar in style Yes, same developer bought the lot across from Southside.
February 1, 20223 yr That is quite ugly. maybe the design would work if it had some colors in it versus all grey-brown.
February 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Mendo said: Yes, same developer bought the lot across from Southside. Street?
February 1, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Street? Southwest corner of West 11th and Fairfield. The lot had plans for an apartment building a few years ago. The parcels changed hands in 2020. I didn't care for the design back then but the site plan was good. Ground floor units that opened to the sidewalk, below grade parking. The scale would have fit in nicely with the neighborhood. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/04/property_owner_plans_75-unit_a.html
February 1, 20223 yr That 2017 design may be a bit boring, but its much better than the new design, plus the 2017 version has balconies.
February 1, 20223 yr I'm not a big fan of the design but I like it more because of the similarity to Electric Gardens. If Tremont gets a couple more like this, then you at least have a cohesive style developing, which makes the buildings fit and creates a unique look.
February 1, 20223 yr Yikes! I'm not sure about that look. I have been wondering when and what replaces the colored block design that is so ubiquitous today. It seems to be time for something else. This thing and Electric Garden's are different but are they better?
February 1, 20223 yr Since same developer of Electric Gardens, I can see why they would be encouraged to keep on going in Tremont. If I am reading their website correctly there are only 2 studios currently available for lease and the building is not that old. For what it is worth-since I am only going by renderings on the website-I like the interior finishes and details a lot better than many of their rectangular competitors. Seem a bit more upscale, but again, have never seen the apartments in person. Edited February 1, 20223 yr by Htsguy
February 1, 20223 yr FWIW, this is one of the early renders of Electric Gardens. Ultimate result is a lot better, lol.
February 1, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, MrR said: looks like next tremont development is in the works?... I actually think this has potential. What this rendering doesn't do that I think real life will is do the windows justice to this design. There is actually quite a bit of glass in this, and depending upon the quality of the glass it may actually make a cool contrast. Edited February 1, 20223 yr by KFM44107
February 1, 20223 yr Does anybody know what stage the developer is at. Is he dealing with block club at this point? Is that where this rendering came from? I don't believe anything has been submitted to the city yet as far as I can tell.
February 4, 20223 yr Thanks for the tip and the pic! Tremont apartment complex proposed By Ken Prendergast / February 4, 2022 Combine a tight apartment market in Cleveland’s urban core with a relatively large undeveloped property in Tremont and the outcome isn’t surprising. What is surprising is that it has taken this long for an 0.8-acre vacant property along Fairfield Avenue west of West 11th Street to get developed. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/02/04/tremont-apartment-complex-proposed/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 11, 20223 yr Some pics from yesterday of the Treo Apartments at 2461 W 25th Street: Another great project from a Chicago Developer! And I think that it's really great how various types of developments are now increasingly spreading to areas outside the typical HOT SPOTS! http://treoliving.com https://www.buildwithkrueger.com/project/treo/ https://www.clevelanddevelopmentadvisors.com/en/Projects/TREO Edited February 11, 20223 yr by Larry1962 More details
February 22, 20223 yr On 2/4/2022 at 6:14 PM, KJP said: Thanks for the tip and the pic! Tremont apartment complex proposed By Ken Prendergast / February 4, 2022 Combine a tight apartment market in Cleveland’s urban core with a relatively large undeveloped property in Tremont and the outcome isn’t surprising. What is surprising is that it has taken this long for an 0.8-acre vacant property along Fairfield Avenue west of West 11th Street to get developed. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/02/04/tremont-apartment-complex-proposed/ I think this is the one where my brother's former lead singer, pretty left of center herself, recently commented on FB that having less than one parking space per unit is a bad idea.
February 22, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, E Rocc said: I think this is the one where my brother's former lead singer, pretty left of center herself, recently commented on FB that having less than one parking space per unit is a bad idea. Nimbyism is bipartisan.
February 22, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, freefourur said: Nimbyism is bipartisan. She doesn't live there. She lives in Euclid and does some work for Polensek, I'm not sure what.
February 22, 20223 yr NIMBYism is one facet of anti-urbamism. Some people don't want to see cities built anywhere for anybody.
February 23, 20223 yr Treo Apartments(2-22-22) Scranton I-90 overpass progress The Lincoln Apartment Building The Lincoln from the West 25th bridge 2341 Scranton Road building renovation Building renovation at the southeast corner of Scranton and Kenilworth (former Pizza Pan) into medical office space Holy Ghost Byzantine Catholic Church renovation
February 25, 20223 yr Cleveland APL sells Tremont land to Knez By Ken Prendergast / February 25, 2022 The Cleveland Animal Protective League (APL) this week closed on a significant property transaction that sold several acres of previously undeveloped land in Cleveland’s fast-growing Tremont neighborhood. Buying the land was Knez Homes, one of Northeast Ohio’s largest housing developers. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/02/25/cleveland-apl-sells-tremont-land-to-knez/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20223 yr Tremont’s Fairfield facelift By Ken Prendergast / March 5, 2022 More details are emerging about a proposed new apartment building at 1209 Fairfield Ave. in Tremont, to be called Driftwood. In addition to its inclusion of a ground-floor retail space and a larger lot, the development will be joined nearby by an expansion of the South Side Restaurant. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/05/tremonts-fairfield-facelift/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, KJP said: Tremont’s Fairfield facelift By Ken Prendergast / March 5, 2022 More details are emerging about a proposed new apartment building at 1209 Fairfield Ave. in Tremont, to be called Driftwood. In addition to its inclusion of a ground-floor retail space and a larger lot, the development will be joined nearby by an expansion of the South Side Restaurant. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/05/tremonts-fairfield-facelift/ Love how they kept the big windows.
March 5, 20223 yr l am not saying they won't but I wish all new projects especially in Tremont and citywide would require the burying of utility wires. I don't know the cost but it's not going to bring down the project. It changes the whole look of the building.
March 5, 20223 yr That design looks great. The scale at 4 floors feels better at that corner. The Southside addition is a bit anticlimactic. Basically just replaces the form that was there.
March 5, 20223 yr Like the design as well and a fan of significant indoor parking rather than a huge surface lot in the back of the building.
March 6, 20223 yr l am not saying they won't but I wish all new projects especially in Tremont and citywide would require the burying of utility wires. I don't know the cost but it's not going to bring down the project. It changes the whole look of the building.Yes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
March 6, 20223 yr the cost for doing that can be super expensive. we looked into it for Tappan and it was like 400k all in. any mandate would need the compliance of the utility company, of course. Not to say any of the above makes it a bad idea. Just an FYI
March 6, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, misterjoshr said: the cost for doing that can be super expensive. we looked into it for Tappan and it was like 400k all in. any mandate would need the compliance of the utility company, of course. Not to say any of the above makes it a bad idea. Just an FYI I was hoping you would weigh in on this. I understand you need to make the numbers work. And unless there is a streetscape proposal that bury's the lines it never seems to get done. It would be nice as an incentive for developers the city/utility could pick up some of the cost. I have commented before on how much I like your interiors, can some money be found there? On your next project maybe. And just a suggestion I have seen some communities here and in Europe paint utility poles a light gray. They almost disappear to the eye. At one time Parma Hts. used to paint their utility poles gray on Pearl Rd. and you would hardly notice them. Just a suggestion. You guys do great work, I just hate utility poles and chain link fence.
March 6, 20223 yr Adding to the complexity here - having two electrical providers makes burying even more of a challenge. Even if you commit to one provider to have them contribute to bury their own wires, there’s absolutely no incentive for the other to cooperate.
March 7, 20223 yr There's also a time component to relocating underground as well. Electric companies can be a huge drag in getting stuff moving, it's multiple months at a minimum to get the process going to bury lines.
March 7, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, enginerd12 said: There's also a time component to relocating underground as well. Electric companies can be a huge drag in getting stuff moving, it's multiple months at a minimum to get the process going to bury lines. Is there also an issue with burying lines in front of one building with the rest of the block staying overhead? I mean other than it looking funny. Edited March 7, 20223 yr by Htsguy
March 7, 20223 yr Typically no, but it depends on if the overhead lines feed elsewhere during the length of the building. Still not impossible then, just would require more re-routing after lines come above ground again. In my experience while power companies are slow, its the data/communication line relocations that kill it. Relocating fiber lines underground (or just in general) can get astronomically expensive very quickly. Like most things, its a time and money situation. You can do anything with unlimited time and money.
March 25, 20223 yr Some pics of the Treo Apartments at 2461 W 25th Street: It will have 171 apartments and 3,160 square feet of first floor commercial space. And have five floors of apartments and retail with two levels of underground parking. And 20% of the units will be restricted as workforce housing at or below 100% Average Median Income. This is the first project to contribute $65,000 to the Developers Fund to be managed by Tremont West Development Corporation (TWDC) for community improvement. http://www.treoliving.com https://www.thelandcle.org/stories/treo-will-bring-171-units-to-ohio-city-tremont-border?rq=TREO St. Joseph's Commons Apartments is on the left side and the TREO Apartments are in the distance. Edited March 25, 20223 yr by Larry1962 More details
March 25, 20223 yr I'll be at Porco tonight so I will see if I can get a shot from the ground level perspective next door from TREO.
March 28, 20223 yr Treo has impressive street presence! It felt absolutely looming as I approached (3/25/22). This is the view from Porco's upper parking lot, noticeably higher than W25th at grade. Edited March 28, 20223 yr by infrafreak added date
April 6, 20223 yr Another mid-sized Tremont apartment building By Ken Prendergast / April 6, 2022 Seldom does a Cleveland development site offer such a remote, wooded lot and yet have so many urban amenities nearby. The features of that site, including it being next to a revived Clark Field, are why it is reportedly attracting a mid-size apartment building. Indeed, numerous mid-sized apartment buildings are being proposed for different parts of Cleveland’s Tremont neighborhood. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/04/06/another-mid-sized-tremont-apartment-building/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 6, 20223 yr I wonder as Tremont runs out of space would they start to go more vertical. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, X said: Real curious about the as yet unannounce project! Hopefully it will advance a little more soon "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 8, 20223 yr look good to me. I don't know specifics about it but it looks like it has a lot of different fields for little leagues to use
April 9, 20223 yr On 4/6/2022 at 6:27 PM, KJP said: Another mid-sized Tremont apartment building By Ken Prendergast / April 6, 2022 Seldom does a Cleveland development site offer such a remote, wooded lot and yet have so many urban amenities nearby. The features of that site, including it being next to a revived Clark Field, are why it is reportedly attracting a mid-size apartment building. Indeed, numerous mid-sized apartment buildings are being proposed for different parts of Cleveland’s Tremont neighborhood. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/04/06/another-mid-sized-tremont-apartment-building/ Thanks for another GREAT ARTICLE Ken! But one little thing... wasn't I-490 completed in 1990?
April 10, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Larry1962 said: Thanks for another GREAT ARTICLE Ken! But one little thing... wasn't I-490 completed in 1990? Yes, but a short stub of I-490 extended east of I-71/I-90's interchange to just east of West 11th in the late 1960s, which is when the ped overpass linking the disconnected sections of West 11th was built. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 25, 20223 yr Geis planning another mid sized apartment building - this one on W.20th and Moltke Ct next to the property Knez bought from the APL earlier this year. Not expecting much on the architecture side, mostly because it's Geis, but also because this won't be as visible as their future project on Abbey. And even getting something okay there was like pulling teeth. The project address is the parcel at the corner. I'm just guessing it will include the city land bank owned property right behind it. https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=4081&CASE=NW 2022-013 Near West Case # NW 2022-013 Address:2485 West 20th Street Company: Geis Companies Architect: Geis Companies Description: New construction apartment building off of West 25th Street Notes: 18 - 2 bedroom units 30 - 1 bedroom units 37 - studio units 85 total units, 85 parking spaces
April 25, 20223 yr ^This looks familiar. Has @KJP done some reporting on this project at some time in the past?
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