January 11, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, acd said: After some Googling, it looks like Donald Shury lives at 10500 Edgewater Dr. He owns State Alarm, which sells security systems, and is apparently headquartered in Youngstown for some reason. 2394 Professor looks like it's a pretty small property to do much business activity there, so no idea what he might have in mind for it. Thanks. I wondered if it was Shury. Why is a guy at his age (83) pursuing new deals and projects? Must be an optimist. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, marty15 said: I’ve heard stories about what’s inside that building. Jay Leno-esqe collection? Would love for that building to be used for more. I wouldn't put it on the Leno level!
January 18, 20232 yr Incoming! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20232 yr Huge Tremont hillside development site is in the works By Ken Prendergast / January 18, 2023 A former railroad yard-turned-asphalt plant at the edge of one of Cleveland’s hottest neighborhoods is the location of an emerging, large development site that could add shops, restaurants, other small businesses and hundreds of homes at a riverfront location. The developer leading the charge for this nearly 25-acre site is the same one involved in helping to move forward the 25-acre Thunderbird development on Scranton Peninsula in the Flats. But there appears to be some disagreement as to whether neighbors support or oppose the development. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/01/18/huge-tremont-hillside-development-site-is-in-the-works/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20232 yr Would this mean they could finally burry all the power lines and utilities along the Towpath / University Rd?! 😁
January 18, 20232 yr Great development! Now have the city acquire (by eminent domain if necessary) the riverfront Lafarge property for a public park and you've got the best urban neighborhood in the Midwest!
January 18, 20232 yr Article updated. Apparently there is opposition to the proposed zoning change. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20232 yr 36 minutes ago, KJP said: Article updated. Apparently there is opposition to the proposed zoning change. Only NIMBYs would prefer an asphalt plant over neighborhood development.
January 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Mendo said: I'm guessing the opposition was entirely about losing views of downtown. There's definitely some of that. Turns out J Roc wants the height limit increased to 250 feet! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, freefourur said: Only NIMBYs would prefer an asphalt plant over neighborhood development. Perhaps these are NIMFYs who own the townhouses along the towpath and don't want to have their view obstructed.
January 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Mendo said: I'm guessing the opposition was entirely about losing views of downtown. Abrasive take, but you see this with subdivisions out in rural parts of the county all the time. If you don't own the land you aren't entitled to preventing development on said land. Call these townhouses on the trail Phase I and the development below Phase II and you can see how this can quickly be equated to a subdivision looking out on farm land.
January 18, 20232 yr Quote “There was a lot of opposition to the rezoning request,” Read: "There are five of us who are really unhappy and we're going to post about it every other day on facebook and Nextdoor for the next three years."
January 18, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, GISguy said: Abrasive take, but you see this with subdivisions out in rural parts of the county all the time. If you don't own the land you aren't entitled to preventing development on said land. Call these townhouses on the trail Phase I and the development below Phase II and you can see how this can quickly be equated to a subdivision looking out on farm land. Since we're all living, breathing contradictions I will admit that part of me is sad about the idea of losing the trees lining the Towpath in this area. Part of the appeal of this part of the Towpath is the illusion of natural respite in the city. Even if its a thin line of trees masking the valley... lol idk, I just hope they keep elements of that. I'm going to withhold judgement (good or bad) on the plan until seeing the details.
January 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: There's definitely some of that. Turns out J Roc wants the height limit increased to 250 feet! Interesting. I wonder if JRoc plans to build on it themselves or piece it off like Thunderbird. If the latter hopefully this site attracts better quality developers than NRP and Silverhills.
January 18, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: Since we're all living, breathing contradictions I will admit that part of me is sad about the idea of losing the trees lining the Towpath in this area. Part of the appeal of this part of the Towpath is the illusion of natural respite in the city. Even if its a thin line of trees masking the valley... lol idk, I just hope they keep elements of that. I'm going to withhold judgement (good or bad) on the plan until seeing the details. Is there a chance that the trees along University wouldn't be impacted? The auditor's site (not always accurate) shows the towpath property down the hillside a bit. This block club is generally pretty supportive of new construction, though they raised a stink about Electric Gardens. I think there's some things that can be done to quell concerns. We're a long way from anything specific even being proposed, let alone built.
January 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Mendo said: Interesting. I wonder if JRoc plans to build on it themselves or piece it off like Thunderbird. If the latter hopefully this site attracts better quality developers than NRP and Silverhills. I was talking about this project to a locally active developer whose first question was if J Roc was taking on this large site all on their own. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, w28th said: The auditor's site (not always accurate) shows the towpath property down the hillside a bit. Shots fired! But you're totally correct in this assumption, as we say the GIS is only an abstraction of the actual lines. I worked some of the lines around the towpath years ago and to be honest there wasn't a ton of monumentation to work off of. Unfortunately a new plat/survey won't come in until they choose to either consolidate or further break up the parcels.
January 18, 20232 yr I'm guessing the opposition was entirely about losing views of downtown.Don't buy in the city if you oppose progress in the city. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
January 19, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Mendo said: I'm guessing the opposition was entirely about losing views of downtown. That is an unfortunate fact of life in a (re)developing city neighborhood. Your property is not guaranteed spectacular views of the lake or the skyline forever.
January 20, 20232 yr The rezoning was approved, but it wasn't a gimme. Turns out there's a lawsuit against the property owner Emerald Dock by lessee Shelly which runs the asphalt plant. Shelly says they have first right to purchase the property and plan to continue operating the asphalt plant indefinitely. I'm surprised J Roc didn't do an entity sale instead. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 20, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, KJP said: The rezoning was approved, but it wasn't a gimme. Turns out there's a lawsuit against the property owner Emerald Dock by lessee Shelly which runs the asphalt plant. Shelly says they have first right to purchase the property and plan to continue operating the asphalt plant indefinitely. I'm surprised J Roc didn't do an entity sale instead. Are you saying that if it was an LLC that owned the land which would be sold to J Roc then Shelley couldn't file suit? Also, do current tenants always have first right of purchase?
January 20, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, KJP said: The rezoning was approved, but it wasn't a gimme. Turns out there's a lawsuit against the property owner Emerald Dock by lessee Shelly which runs the asphalt plant. Shelly says they have first right to purchase the property and plan to continue operating the asphalt plant indefinitely. I'm surprised J Roc didn't do an entity sale instead. Columbus owners threatening development because a property adjacent to theirs might be redeveloped. Next level NIMBYism here. Those lawyers and their threats to raise costs to the city are despicable– unreal. Edited January 20, 20232 yr by downtownjoe
January 20, 20232 yr ^^If there's a ROFR, it would most likely be in the lease. Definitely not inherent to tenancy. In most cases, only a notice of lease would be recorded with the county, not the entire lease, so we outsiders wouldn't be able to see what's actually in there until/unless litigation docs get filed. The benefit to an entity sale (depending how the ROFR language is drafted) is that it wouldn't trigger the ROFR. The new owner would acquire the property owner, subject to the lease, and could negotiate directly with the tenant, exercise any termination options (if any), refuse to renew, etc. You might also evade the transfer tax, unless the state has plugged that hole (Michelle Jarbo wrote about it a year or two ago). The downside is that you're also buying all the liabilities of the current owner.
January 20, 20232 yr A holder of a ROFR or an option to purchase should have their rights/options recorded to protect their interests by providing record notice to anybody interested in purchasing the property. So, if I was representing the lessee, I would insist that the ROFR language was recorded as part of the memo of lease or via an affidavit. Edited January 20, 20232 yr by dski44
January 20, 20232 yr Does the underlying question here square on whether JRocc should angle to kick an existing, longstanding industrial business off its current property? Call me contrarian, but I'll side with the asphalt plant on this one. There are plenty of locations to develop in Cleveland before aiming gentrifying effects on otherwise viable businesses. If it has an active ROFR in its existing lease, it would be good for folks to step back and reconsider what we're actually cheering for. Edited January 21, 20232 yr by ASP1984
January 20, 20232 yr There's a pretty good drone photosphere right above this area in google maps, if anyone is interested. https://goo.gl/maps/x2VzjnMkfnknrDKA6
January 21, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, KJP said: The rezoning was approved, but it wasn't a gimme. Turns out there's a lawsuit against the property owner Emerald Dock by lessee Shelly which runs the asphalt plant. Shelly says they have first right to purchase the property and plan to continue operating the asphalt plant indefinitely. I'm surprised J Roc didn't do an entity sale instead. Turns out that's exactly what J Roc did. Article coming. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20232 yr Commission OKs Tremont rezoning By Ken Prendergast / January 21, 2023 A nearly 25-acre area of land on a hillside at the north end of Tremont was recommended for rezoning by the City Planning Commission yesterday to allow more development closer to the Cuyahoga River. But the rezoning, primarily from general industry to general retail to accommodate new residential, neighborhood shops and restaurants, was opposed by the industries currently using those properties. Planning commission members responded that the rezoning allows existing uses to continue and that the rezoning is consistent with the city’s land use plans, namely its Vision For The Valley. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/01/21/commission-oks-tremont-rezoning/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20232 yr Quote They said development of the land north of University would adversely affect their property values by adding noise, traffic and casting shadows from 11-story buildings across their homes — even though the development site is north of their properties and the sun is to the south. Love this quote from the article. Sums up NIMBYers nicely in my opinion. Pretty much finding any reason, even incorrect ones, to justify not building something instead of coming out and saying the real reason of "I just don't like it"
January 21, 20232 yr They said development of the land north of University would adversely affect their property values by adding noise, traffic and casting shadows from 11-story buildings across their homes — even though the development site is north of their properties and the sun is to the south. Love this quote from the article. Sums up NIMBYers nicely in my opinion. Pretty much finding any reason, even incorrect ones, to justify not building something instead of coming out and saying the real reason of "I just don't like it"Casting shadows is probably the worse reason I’ve heard to oppose a development.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
January 22, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, dwolfi01 said: Love this quote from the article. Sums up NIMBYers nicely in my opinion. Pretty much finding any reason, even incorrect ones, to justify not building something instead of coming out and saying the real reason of "I just don't like it" Yeah their reasoning isn't good - they could have just voiced displeasure at the idea of kicking a business off their property for the sake of gentrification. That's a real concern.
January 22, 20232 yr The land on both sides of the river from this area north to the lake has to be one of the most unusual combinations of property usage in the country today. We have what was once one of the most industrial areas anywhere now being used for recreation, housing, entertainment and industry. There is a natural tension over land usage that is still being hashed out. In general l'm a fan of using the unique river curvature for everything but industry going forward. Of course change will inevitably result in stepping on some toes. It would be nice if industry could somehow be made whole by moving it further south but in reality that's probably not possible without causing financial harm. In life there are winners and losers and in this cause l think it's industry that will ultimately lose. Still, until the full transition occurs we are going to have some strange bedfellows. On this particular site imagine living right next to those piles of stone/slag. As you look out the window of your $600,000 unit you will literally be feet from an industrial legacy. Before l recently bought a home in Lakewood l looked in that very area in the industrial valley. As much as l wanted to move to Tremont the idea of industry right outside my front door was something l couldn't abide. I wonder how many other potential buyers feel the same way? At any rate, watching the transformation of an industrial heritage into something completely different is interesting to say the least.
January 22, 20232 yr Is anyone here familiar with the severity of gas emissions or fumes from asphalt production? Maybe I’m out of touch with the realities of property value, but I would pay well for a nice view, and I would pay $0 for a property on which I’m inhaling benzene, sulphur dioxide, etc.
January 22, 20232 yr So, we need and desire concrete, but it should be made where other people live. 'Perhaps in a place with lower property values, and not in my own back yard. Edited January 22, 20232 yr by ExPatClevGuy
January 22, 20232 yr Ultimately, its kind of moot, as this isn't a public decision, but a squabble between two private businesses over who is going to have the right to use the property.
January 22, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said: So, we need and desire concrete, but it should be made where other people live. 'Perhaps in a place with lower property values, and not in my own back yard. I don’t think any of these businesses will be relocating to residential neighborhoods.
January 24, 20232 yr On 1/22/2023 at 11:20 AM, Husat77 said: Is anyone here familiar with the severity of gas emissions or fumes from asphalt production? Maybe I’m out of touch with the realities of property value, but I would pay well for a nice view, and I would pay $0 for a property on which I’m inhaling benzene, sulphur dioxide, etc. I mean you can smell the oil on the L-C bridge or in Tremont when the breeze is blowing towards the neighborhood so that's probably not great hah.
January 27, 20232 yr On 1/22/2023 at 11:20 AM, Husat77 said: Is anyone here familiar with the severity of gas emissions or fumes from asphalt production? Maybe I’m out of touch with the realities of property value, but I would pay well for a nice view, and I would pay $0 for a property on which I’m inhaling benzene, sulphur dioxide, etc. I've lived on Clark near W. 11th for 62 years, right up the hill from the old asphalt plant that used to be where the parking lot for Clark field is now. You have no idea of the stench an asphalt plant can give off. The only thing that partially saved us was the fact that the wind generally blew from west to east, blowing the stink over the valley towards the east side. For the life of me, I still can't fathom why anyone with hundreds of thousands of dollars to drop on a property would choose to live right next to the industrial valley. I've been trying my whole life to get out of here to some place green and healthy. I guess it takes all kinds.
February 5, 20232 yr Some photos of the Driftwood Apartments under construction at the corner of W 11th and Fairfield. Included some photos of the renderings to remind myself of what the street-level presence will be like:
February 5, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Looking good. Almost giving off some brutalist vibes, I think. I agree with the second sentence.
February 6, 20232 yr yeah, the big positive is the ground level is awesome. it’s a very jet age-italo-mad men vibe there if they do it right. however, the look of everything above that level where the apts are needs rethought.
February 28, 20232 yr New freelancer working for NEOtrans The Elliot: New life for historic Tremont church By Emma Wind / February 28, 2023 The Elliot, Tremont’s newest events venue which opened in Fall 2022 in Tremont’s former Holy Ghost Church, has launched its Rosehip Room speakeasy with a spring lineup of performing acts. They will perform in the Rosehip Room, a speakeasy designed to accommodate live music, trivia nights and private events at 1415 Kenilworth Ave. in Cleveland. The Rosehip Room’s launch was celebrated with a party Feb. 24. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/02/28/the-elliot-new-life-for-historic-tremont/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 1, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: New freelancer working for NEOtrans The Elliot: New life for historic Tremont church By Emma Wind / February 28, 2023 The Elliot, Tremont’s newest events venue which opened in Fall 2022 in Tremont’s former Holy Ghost Church, has launched its Rosehip Room speakeasy with a spring lineup of performing acts. They will perform in the Rosehip Room, a speakeasy designed to accommodate live music, trivia nights and private events at 1415 Kenilworth Ave. in Cleveland. The Rosehip Room’s launch was celebrated with a party Feb. 24. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/02/28/the-elliot-new-life-for-historic-tremont/ Historic reuse is always good to see, and I'm happy to see another live music venue in Cleveland. I'm definitely curious to check out the Rosehip room.
March 1, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, marty15 said: So this has a non alcoholic speakeasy? How does that work? Mouthwash only? I interpreted it to mean they served non-alcoholic mock tails in addition to standard bar fare.
March 1, 20232 yr 34 minutes ago, Henke said: I interpreted it to mean they served non-alcoholic mock tails in addition to standard bar fare. I wish Emma was more clear, cause I have no idea after reading that. I got the gist that it’s a dry establishment, that’s maybe open to the public, sometimes. Confusing write up. Edited March 1, 20232 yr by marty15
March 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, marty15 said: I wish Emma was more clear, cause I have no idea after reading that. I got the gist that it’s a dry establishment, that’s maybe open to the public, sometimes. Confusing write up. I reread it, and I think you are correct. My mind couldn’t comprehend a bar without alcohol haha. As far as what is open to the public, it seems like there is a bar, The Rosehips Room, which is open to the public (at least for their scheduled events and performances). And the larger venue, The Eliot, is available for private rental. This part of the first caption set me straight: “Its speakeasy began offering live performances but the rest of the church is available for rent for celebrations and private events”
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