March 1, 20232 yr I'm picturing the scene in Back to the Future where George McFly orders a chocolate milk in the diner
March 2, 20232 yr Drove by Treo today for the first time in awhile. That’s a great looking building. What a different vibe traveling north on 25th from 90.
April 10, 20232 yr Treo opening doors on West 25th By Ken Prendergast / April 10, 2023 Treo, named for where Tremont meets Ohio City, is the first of the big, market-rate apartment buildings to come to this no-man’s land part of town. Built on the site of a former auto repair and scrap yard business along a lesser-traveled section of West 25th Street, Treo’s first resident moved into the 171-unit property last week but cannot yet live there as construction work is still wrapping up. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/04/10/treo-opening-doors-on-west-25th/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 20232 yr Quote The 171 apartments are a mix of studios, one bedroom juniors (a smaller, more affordable one-bedroom apartment), standard one bedrooms units and two-bedroom suites with market-rate rents currently at just over $2 per square foot. That’s roughly $1 per square foot less than the nine-story Intro that opened last year Surprising it is that low per sqft considering many of the other new builds around there. I get it is slightly more out of the way but seems like a steal
April 13, 20232 yr Sad development for Clark Field. 1 minute ago, Ethan said: This is beyond aggravating. This park was just fixed up. Police investigate after Tremont field badly damaged "Residents say a group of people on dirt bikes and ATVs turfed the park recently. Neighbors witnessed dirt bikes and four wheelers come barreling down West 11th Street Monday night." https://fox8.com/news/its-just-sad-police-investigate-after-tremont-field-badly-damaged/
April 13, 20232 yr atvs have been going thru that stretch of the towpath for years. ruining the hills and grass. Edited April 13, 20232 yr by Whipjacka
April 25, 20232 yr Little Italy, Tremont townhouses planned By Ken Prendergast / April 25, 2023 A Cleveland real estate firm that has been renovating homes in the metro area is entering the new-construction market by building new homes in Sandusky and seeking to construct new townhomes in two of Cleveland’s hottest neighborhoods. ParaPrin Construction, located on West 105th Street, wants to construct six new townhomes in Little Italy and Tremont if its vision passes muster with the City Planning Commission. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/04/25/little-italy-tremont-townhouses-planned/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 25, 20232 yr Couldn't snap a pic, but Driftwood is going vertical; dunno if its been mentioned yet. https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/05/tremonts-fairfield-facelift/
April 25, 20232 yr yeah I drove by over the weekend and was surprised they already were so far along. Also looked like South Side restaurant was already well into working on their expansion too at that corner. By the end of the year that intersection will look way different!
April 25, 20232 yr Like the images of this infill. Looks like a quality product for a company breaking into the new construction market. The price insures that the occupants will be high-enders and it would seem they will have the discretionary income to help the local restaurants scene. Too bad my net worth excludes me from the party.
April 25, 20232 yr ^ I get aesthetics are subjective, but i think the design is underwhelming. It's a very prominent corner that deserves better than a 5 foot wall along the sidewalk.
April 25, 20232 yr ^ Well that's urban living, isn't it? I think a 5 foot wall is better than a higher one. That would be like a prison yard. I'm not sure how much it would get used anyway. I'm guessing those roof top decks are where the action will be.
April 28, 20232 yr Driftwood from yesterday. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
May 27, 20232 yr Sixth City Townhomes (5-27-23) W 17th townhomes in Lincoln Heights The South Side restaurant expansion Tremont Oaks Phase II W 10th infill Driftwood
May 29, 20232 yr I love the steady building downtown but another thing that always puts a smile on my face is when I'm doing my little drive around to see what's new and I come across a single infill home on an old street in the near West Side. People putting their money where their mouth is.
May 29, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, cadmen said: I love the steady building downtown but another thing that always puts a smile on my face is when I'm doing my little drive around to see what's new and I come across a single infill home on an old street in the near West Side. People putting their money where their mouth is. Not just the West Side either. Drive around Glenville, Hough, Fairfax etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 16, 20231 yr St. Michael’s school residential conversion on Scranton is still alive. CHN is working on bridging a gap in financing. Project cost is 30% higher than original estimates. Supposedly they’re close tho.
June 21, 20231 yr 1900 Train Ave showed up on todays BBS meeting. The building has multiple violations but one tidbit that was interesting is that the current owner claims there is a deal in progress to sell the building. Obviously, this doesn't abate violations but the city pressed forward with not allowing more time to fix violations so hopefully that can push a sale through faster and this area can start seeing the same renewal that's happening north and south of it. Edited June 21, 20231 yr by downtownjoe
June 21, 20231 yr 13 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: 1900 Train Ave showed up on todays BBS meeting. The building has multiple violations but one tidbit that was interesting is that the current owner claims there is a deal in progress to sell the building. Obviously, this doesn't abate violations but the city pressed forward with not allowing more time to fix violations so hopefully that can push a sale through faster and this area can start seeing the same renewal that's happening north and south of it. $500k for that seems like a pretty sweet deal.
June 21, 20231 yr 42 minutes ago, marty15 said: $500k for that seems like a pretty sweet deal. I wouldn't call that building quite "structurally sound" at the moment...
June 27, 20231 yr Lighting! The gift that keeps on giving. Why more developers don't understand that something as inexpensive as modern LED Lighting can be the difference between a run of the mill building and a building that grabs your eye.
June 27, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, cadmen said: Lighting! The gift that keeps on giving. Why more developers don't understand that something as inexpensive as modern LED Lighting can be the difference between a run of the mill building and a building that grabs your eye. As we learn more about light pollution's negative effects, not to mention the effects of wasting electricity, I think it makes less and less sense to do massive amounts of architectural lighting. Maybe some subtle accent lighting is ok, though.
June 27, 20231 yr Fun fact: Treo in Irish means direction My friend owned a bar in New Orleans named Treo. I thought that inspired this name, but I saw in an earlier post it was a combination of TREmont and Ohio City
June 27, 20231 yr 15 minutes ago, X said: As we learn more about light pollution's negative effects, not to mention the effects of wasting electricity, I think it makes less and less sense to do massive amounts of architectural lighting. Maybe some subtle accent lighting is ok, though. I highly doubt decorative and landscape lighting on buildings such as the one above cause much light pollution or even use much electricity. Sure, we don't need every structure or tower in the city bathed in light, but this in no way qualifies as "massive amounts." I agree mostly with your point, but this is small time stuff that greatly enhances the property appearance, makes it feel safer and adds a place for people to hangout at night.
June 27, 20231 yr 21 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: I highly doubt decorative and landscape lighting on buildings such as the one above cause much light pollution or even use much electricity. Sure, we don't need every structure or tower in the city bathed in light, but this in no way qualifies as "massive amounts." I agree mostly with your point, but this is small time stuff that greatly enhances the property appearance, makes it feel safer and adds a place for people to hangout at night. All lights that are directed above the horizontal cause light pollution. Aesthetic lighting is often an offender as it is deliberately directed upwards. Based on your picture, Treo definitely qualifies. https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nightskies/sources.htm Shielding lights, as in the above link, is one way to mitigate the polluting effects of lights. Edit: https://www.archdaily.com/977131/how-to-reduce-light-pollution-with-street-light-design
June 27, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, Ethan said: All lights that are directed above the horizontal cause light pollution. Aesthetic lighting is often an offender as it is deliberately directed upwards. Based on your picture, Treo definitely qualifies. https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nightskies/sources.htm Shielding lights, as in the above link, is one way to mitigate the polluting effects of lights. Edit: https://www.archdaily.com/977131/how-to-reduce-light-pollution-with-street-light-design Ok rulebook, no lights for you. We shall live in darkness.
June 27, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, GREGinPARMA said: Ok rulebook, no lights for you. We shall live in darkness. I honestly would prefer it to be dark(er) at night; that's a subjective personal preference, but so is its inverse. There is a growing body of research showing too much light at night is bad for human health and the environment. Realistically though, humanity isn't going back to truly dark nights, but there are several ways we can reduce the negative impacts of nighttime lighting. Some of these are dimming, opting for warmer lights, shielding the light to prevent upward dispersion, and removing unnecessary lights (or adding sensors, timers etc, so they are only on when necessary). Unfortunately aesthetic lights are really hard to justify when taking all this into account. Not that we shouldn't have any, but we should weigh the harms more strongly against their added beauty (imo). Safety is another issue, though there's a lot of research suggesting that lighting has more to do with the perception of safety than actual safety. Basically I just think we need to start seriously considering light pollution when thinking about architectural lighting. When will the lights be on? Are they casting light up or down? What is the temperature of the lights? Could they be dimmer? etc.
June 27, 20231 yr 27 minutes ago, Ethan said: I honestly would prefer it to be dark(er) at night; that's a subjective personal preference, but so is its inverse. There is a growing body of research showing too much light at night is bad for human health and the environment. Realistically though, humanity isn't going back to truly dark nights, but there are several ways we can reduce the negative impacts of nighttime lighting. Some of these are dimming, opting for warmer lights, shielding the light to prevent upward dispersion, and removing unnecessary lights (or adding sensors, timers etc, so they are only on when necessary). Unfortunately aesthetic lights are really hard to justify when taking all this into account. Not that we shouldn't have any, but we should weigh the harms more strongly against their added beauty (imo). Safety is another issue, though there's a lot of research suggesting that lighting has more to do with the perception of safety than actual safety. Basically I just think we need to start seriously considering light pollution when thinking about architectural lighting. When will the lights be on? Are they casting light up or down? What is the temperature of the lights? Could they be dimmer? etc. Not to get off topic but I really appreciate this post. The amount of times I've found myself in Scranton Flats wishing someone would turn off that dumb LED sign next to Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse. Ugh. It lights up the entire valley with a punishing white light no one asked for. Not to mention its impacts on insects, birds, and other light-sensitive species. To bring it back though, TREO is a mixed bag. It truly is an attractive space with the lights, but in no way should we desire to have every building lit up as much as possible. With the crafting of sensible regulations comes room to discuss other societal values, such as room for nature - of which we're a part. No one needs to have LED's blasting through their eyeholes at all hours of the night. Edited June 27, 20231 yr by ASP1984
June 27, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: Not to get off topic but I really appreciate this post. The amount of times I've found myself in Scranton Flats wishing someone would turn off that dumb LED sign next to Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse. Ugh. It lights up the entire valley with a punishing white light no one asked for. Not to mention its impacts on insects, birds, and other light-sensitive species. To bring it back though, TREO is a mixed bag. It truly is an attractive space with the lights, but in no way should we desire to have every building lit up as much as possible. With the crafting of sensible regulations comes room to discuss other societal values, such as room for nature - of which we're a part. No one needs to have LED's blasting through their eyeholes at all hours of the night. I absolutely agree. And @Ethanbrings up good points and clearly is very knowledgeable on the subject. I'm sure everyone of us here at UO are avid stargazers, my only point is that to complain about light pollution from projects of this scale is simply nitpicking. But, there will always be people that have something to complain about. We could go round and round about the hazards of aesthetic lighting, the electronics we are using to make these very posts, etc. etc. If done right and modestly, I have absolutely no problem with it. And frankly, if the people that put up the big bucks to get projects built want some lighting, that's their choice.
June 27, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: I absolutely agree. And @Ethanbrings up good points and clearly is very knowledgeable on the subject. I'm sure everyone of us here at UO are avid stargazers, my only point is that to complain about light pollution from projects of this scale is simply nitpicking. But, there will always be people that have something to complain about. We could go round and round about the hazards of aesthetic lighting, the electronics we are using to make these very posts, etc. etc. If done right and modestly, I have absolutely no problem with it. And frankly, if the people that put up the big bucks to get projects built want some lighting, that's their choice. No one is saying they shouldn't have lighting - its that sensible regulations should guide whatever they choose to do. The unmitigated freedom to erect whatever and however much you want does begin to erode quality of life for the masses when every new building follows suit. And we just happen to be lucky that the good folks behind TREO have good taste. I don't consider it nitpicking from that perspective. As an example, here this week in Seattle I passed by a home that decided to light every tree along the devilstrip from the ground up. From a distance it looks "nice," but up close, you're literally blinded walking by as a pedestrian. Edited June 27, 20231 yr by ASP1984
June 27, 20231 yr there is such a thing as downward lighting. and the hours can be controlled. i mean this is 2023 yes? ha. but yeah you dont want the birds thrown off. rattling the rats is ok.
June 27, 20231 yr Like a lot of issues there are points on both sides that can be contradictory and yet also true at the same time. It's true that light pollution can have a deleterious impact on the natural world. It's also true that lights can provide a positive impact on mood as well as making people feel safe. That shouldn't be discounted. Advances in LED technology have done much to eliminate the energy use and expense. So l think we're left with the impact light pollution does have on the natural world which is a real problem. I think society has to find a middle ground when it comes to outdoor lighting. We're not going to eliminate sprawl but if we were to concentrate accent lighting to urban areas we could mitigate a good portion of harm to the natural world. Birds would still be a problem though. Maybe scientists could experiment on finding the best lighting type and direction which produces the least harm. I consider myself a pro environment guy who also loves cities and cool lighting. So l find this whole discussion a difficult one.
July 8, 20231 yr Driftwood moving along slowly but surely… this is gonna be a pretty prominent building
July 11, 20231 yr W 10th Infill (7-9-23) Fruit and W 9th Auburn and W 11th Tremont Oaks Building 2 on W 14th Driftwood
July 11, 20231 yr I wonder if the people living in the yellow house in the Auburn and West 11th pic are somewhat unhappy campers. Maybe it is just the camera angle but...boy or boy. Edited July 11, 20231 yr by Htsguy
July 11, 20231 yr I wonder if the people living in the yellow house in the Auburn and West 11th pic are somewhat unhappy campers. Maybe it is just the camera angle but...boy or boy.I feel like the original structure aligned with the yellow house and this development was oddly built in the opposite direction.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 12, 20231 yr I hope the yellow house has good gutters and downspouts... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, KJP said: I hope the yellow house has good gutters and downspouts... I hope the owners of the new build next door to it have good lawyers...
July 12, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSummit said: I hope the owners of the new build next door to it have good lawyers... I was actually curious and a bit bored last night and found the Board of Zoning Appeals meeting on YouTube relating to the numerous variances requested for the new build. The owner of the yellow house did not show up to make any objections and the various Tremont groups were supportive of the project and design. Still think it looks strange, especially with how close it is to the yellow house and how it towers over it at the closes point possible. I have observed neighbors at Zoning hearings go nuts over way less intrusive designs. That said, the yellow house is no architectural masterpiece. Probably one of the blandest on the street. Plus, the chain linked fence in the front yard makes me crazy.
July 12, 20231 yr tremont has too many of these types of townhouses for there to be too strenuous an objection to design. I'm sure there'll be gutters once the build is done.
July 12, 20231 yr And hopefully something to prevent sheets of ice from sliding down onto the yellow house in winter.
July 12, 20231 yr I’m more annoyed with the cinder block wall next to the house. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 12, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, WindyBuckeye said: I hate Tremont Oaks with a passion. Prob my most hated development in the city ha It’s absolutely hideous. And then they shower it with the most ridiculous amount of light so people have to look at that thing at night. And now there’s two! 🤮
August 25, 20231 yr On 6/15/2023 at 11:39 PM, marty15 said: St. Michael’s school residential conversion on Scranton is still alive. CHN is working on bridging a gap in financing. Project cost is 30% higher than original estimates. Supposedly they’re close tho. Which building is this? I'm having trouble figuring it out.
August 25, 20231 yr 13 minutes ago, dastler said: Which building is this? I'm having trouble figuring it out. The gothic revival looking school building.
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