Here are the three current houses. 

I'm guessing these homes will actually be custom built, and they are trying to advertise and maybe get approval for a variety of architectural elements and materials that may or may not actually go into the real homes.

9 hours ago, Mendo said:

Here are the three current houses. 

The way I see it, these 3 lovely suburban-style houses, which are hardly unique or significant, are being replaced by 6 dense Eurostyle urban homes. That's a plus. My biggest fault with these is they are too far from the sidewalk.

13 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I'll join the minority dissent.   I like them as well.  They look like something you might see in a smaller town in Germany.  

What they have is potential.  After looking them over I did find myself not entirely hating what's going on but I am still adamant that a more natural material for the facades will do wonders so I'm hoping to see that evolve a little bit.

1 hour ago, Growth Mindset said:

The way I see it, these 3 lovely suburban-style houses, which are hardly unique or significant, are being replaced by 6 dense Eurostyle urban homes. That's a plus. My biggest fault with these is they are too far from the sidewalk.

12* homes. 6 in the front, 6 in the back.

 

I don't mind that they continue to hold the streetwall as it's currently already in place. I think it'll allow them to feel more integrated than if they were the only buildings on the block built closer to the sidewalk.

3 hours ago, Growth Mindset said:

The way I see it, these 3 lovely suburban-style houses, which are hardly unique or significant, are being replaced by 6 dense Eurostyle urban homes. That's a plus. My biggest fault with these is they are too far from the sidewalk.

I agree with you but my gut says that there’s gonna be some pushback at planning commission just based on past history. Again, it’ll be interesting to see how they present the condition of the interiors to PC.  My guess is that Flucker will be objecting the most. Hope I’m wrong.

8 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I agree with you but my gut says that there’s gonna be some pushback at planning commission just based on past history. Again, it’ll be interesting to see how they present the condition of the interiors to PC.  My guess is that Flucker will be objecting the most. Hope I’m wrong.

Maybe they can offer them to someone who can move one to a nearby side street.
As Tremont matures there should be more high density uses as these 12 units on main roads. They look good for the location.  More density, residents and taxes than presently we assume. 

Nothing wrong with the middle house, by all appearances...  https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2929-W-14th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/33337539_zpid/

 

3 minutes ago, gruver said:

Nothing wrong with the middle house, by all appearances...  https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2929-W-14th-St-Cleveland-OH-44113/33337539_zpid/

 

Actually, it is a stunning home.  Maybe it could be moved to another lot. 

Probably a minority opinion but I really like those current houses in context with the area. Those new builds are great - for the Flats. I think they are going to look ridiculous on this lot unless the eventual plan is to tear down the entire neighborhood. 

23 hours ago, Htsguy said:

  My guess is that Flucker will be objecting the most. 

 

Well, that's what he does best.   Mr "If you don't want homeless people sitting in front of your new corporate HQ, put it in the suburbs."

 

If you want people to live in the city limits, some of them will need to have lower density options.   But ultimately it's the call of the property owner.

 

I do like the middle one, but as has been said we have no indication of internal conditions.

Edited January 17Jan 17 by E Rocc

4 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Probably a minority opinion but I really like those current houses in context with the area. Those new builds are great - for the Flats. I think they are going to look ridiculous on this lot unless the eventual plan is to tear down the entire neighborhood. 

 

Well I agree with you in principle, so it's definitely a minority opinion.   :)

I agree too. 

4 hours ago, surfohio said:

Probably a minority opinion but I really like those current houses in context with the area. Those new builds are great - for the Flats. I think they are going to look ridiculous on this lot unless the eventual plan is to tear down the entire neighborhood. 

 

The "neighborhood" neighborhood in question is a mix of multi-family, large single family homes, and some apartments. The building next door is literally a modern 6-story apartment tower sandwiched between old homes. Not to mention the gas stations right down the street. Adding a few more single family homes to the street (the others would front w 13th pl) with the exact same setback doesn't seem that ridiculous to me, especially compared to many of the other designs around Tremont.

 

 

If anything I think it will be a much more natural transition between the apartments and the lower density SFHs.

Edited January 17Jan 17 by sonisharri

these may be justified but your picture is not a good faith argument.  there are two buildings taller than three stories in this neighborhood with clark Ave corner being the buisness section.

 

it is mostly single family and duplexes south of 490.  I'm not for or against these other than the fact that I find them ugly, but there is actually a character to this neighborhood- you don't need to put quotes around it. 

 

47 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

these may be justified but your picture is not a good faith argument.  there are two buildings taller than three stories in this neighborhood with clark Ave corner being the buisness section.

 

it is mostly single family and duplexes south of 490.  I'm not for or against these other than the fact that I find them ugly, but there is actually a character to this neighborhood- you don't need to put quotes around it. 

 

Ya a few of my favorite homes on Cleveland are in this section of Tremont. 

 

This one is beautiful. 

 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3206-W-14th-St-Cleveland-OH-44109/33337995_zpid/

53 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

these may be justified but your picture is not a good faith argument.  there are two buildings taller than three stories in this neighborhood with clark Ave corner being the buisness section.

 

it is mostly single family and duplexes south of 490.  I'm not for or against these other than the fact that I find them ugly, but there is actually a character to this neighborhood- you don't need to put quotes around it. 

 

 

Yeah I think the quotes definitely sent the wrong message, I was just trying to refer to @surfohio's last sentence, not doubt that the neighborhood has character. My point is 1) it's already characterized by a variety of styles and uses, and 2) the townhomes seem to me to provide a transition between the taller apartments and the smaller homes. The screenshot is just the Google Street View of the townhome site with one structure on either side, zoomed out enough to fit everything on my phone. The finger drawings are obviously not to scale but I estimated using the surrounding buildings.

Edited January 17Jan 17 by sonisharri

Just curious what you all think the lifespan is of that apartment building to the left. I am seeing this era of residential torn down everywhere. But not in Cleveland so much. 

I like this development, and would welcome it all over town, but it seems odd to tear down perfectly good housing stock. Especially given the amount of empty lots and unremarkable housing elsewhere nearby.

 

17 hours ago, surfohio said:

Just curious what you all think the lifespan is of that apartment building to the left. I am seeing this era of residential torn down everywhere. But not in Cleveland so much. 

where have you seen this? These things are pretty common in Chicago and I don't really see them getting torn down, even in the most in-demand neighborhoods. 

https://achicagosojourn.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/4-plus-1-again/

 

1 hour ago, Rustbelter said:

I like this development, and would welcome it all over town, but it seems odd to tear down perfectly good housing stock. Especially given the amount of empty lots and unremarkable housing elsewhere nearby.

 

where have you seen this? These things are pretty common in Chicago and I don't really see them getting torn down, even in the most in-demand neighborhoods. 

https://achicagosojourn.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/4-plus-1-again/

 

 

Mostly California, Florida, NJ, Texas. I suppose these are growing populations vs CLE and CHI.  In Lakewood they had been tearing down the older brownstones, but not these 70s era…yet. I would guess these buildings like this one in Tremont were not built to last as long, but who knows. Was just wondering if it makes economic sense in Tremont to tear down a rather plain multi unit for higher end, and quite possibly in this instance less dense housing. 

Is there going to be a public block club hearing on these new homes? Id like to be there to voice my support with the small caveat about the materials

19 hours ago, FutureboyWonder said:

Is there going to be a public block club hearing on these new homes? Id like to be there to voice my support with the small caveat about the materials

There was a block club meeting along with Tremont West on January 15th. https://www.facebook.com/p/HBR-MCC-100064881240075/

On 1/17/2025 at 3:09 PM, sonisharri said:

 

The "neighborhood" neighborhood in question is a mix of multi-family, large single family homes, and some apartments. The building next door is literally a modern 6-story apartment tower sandwiched between old homes. Not to mention the gas stations right down the street. Adding a few more single family homes to the street (the others would front w 13th pl) with the exact same setback doesn't seem that ridiculous to me, especially compared to many of the other designs around Tremont.

 

 

If anything I think it will be a much more natural transition between the apartments and the lower density SFHs.

 

Modern?    That's "Manhattan Tower", a CMHA property built in 1973.   Generic is a nice word.

Edited January 20Jan 20 by E Rocc

2 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Modern?    That's "Manhattan Tower", a CMHA property built in 1973.   Generic is a nice word.

Well to be fair this building and the other ugly 1970s apartments and gas stations on W 14th hurt the streetscape more than this proposed development would. I wish the developer was proposing to tear down a couple of those other apartments, which are worse than the CMHA building IMO.

On 1/14/2025 at 10:37 PM, FutureboyWonder said:

id be much happier if they were more natural looking finishes. Plastic white and grey just arent doing it for me and it seems a shame to be losing these homes since this street has so many great looking ones.

I live in the CMHA building immediately adjacent and since its no longer senior living/disabled its gotten some seriously seedy people in here.

I do hope we dont end up pushed out in the future because moving to tremont has been the best thing thats ever happened to me. 

 

I was wondering if they were senior/disabled, since they are not I don't see how they can pull off market rate in these new buildings.

 

I do wonder if it's legal/practical for CMHA to place requirements on these stand alone buildings.  Such as "no criminal record or regular visitors with same".

Edited January 20Jan 20 by E Rocc

5 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Modern?    That's "Manhattan Tower", a CMHA property built in 1973.

 

Yes, Modern.

1 hour ago, sonisharri said:

 

Yes, Modern.

 

Ah, so it's kind of like calling music "alternative"....

2 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Ah, so it's kind of like calling music "alternative"....

 

Yes!  At one point, alternative was the underground, then it became popular.  At one point, modern architecture was the most current style of architecture, then it became old.  Now it's retro!

Had dinner at Southside last night. Too dark for photo updates on Driftwood, but I noticed a few cars pulling into the garage on W. 11. Is this building complete and occupied now? And what is a good site to check occupancy rates?

13 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Had dinner at Southside last night. Too dark for photo updates on Driftwood, but I noticed a few cars pulling into the garage on W. 11. Is this building complete and occupied now? And what is a good site to check occupancy rates?

 

It appears they are well over half leased.

 

Link --> https://live-driftwood.com/apartments

This site shows the same. Assuming some of the 102 total units are being withheld from the availability count, it appears that about 60 units have leased...

https://www.apartments.com/driftwood-cleveland-oh/fe5thpv/

On 1/20/2025 at 10:50 AM, E Rocc said:

 

I was wondering if they were senior/disabled, since they are not I don't see how they can pull off market rate in these new buildings.

 

I do wonder if it's legal/practical for CMHA to place requirements on these stand alone buildings.  Such as "no criminal record or regular visitors with same".

 

as there should be, there is a rental addendum with tenant responsbilities, as there is with all public and income adjusted housing.

 

and also as it should be, there is a criminal history section on the application. i dk how well they check initially in cle or here in ny, but i do know that if you ‘catch as case’ after you are a tenant it can be hard to get people out here.

16 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

as there should be, there is a rental addendum with tenant responsbilities, as there is with all public and income adjusted housing.

 

and also as it should be, there is a criminal history section on the application. i dk how well they check initially in cle or here in ny, but i do know that if you ‘catch as case’ after you are a tenant it can be hard to get people out here.

 

I would imagine those requirements only apply de facto to people on the actual lease, so other residents, juveniles, and frequent visitors might not be within the scope.    The confidentiality of juvenile records is another complicating factor.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

J Roc's Tremont riverfront development

Speaking of which has there been any movement on this? 

34 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Speaking of which has there been any movement on this? 

 

Nothing that I've seen or heard.

This might be worth watching. A change of use permit request (Record B25005732) was submitted to the city today for the Tremont Neighborhood Veterans Club-Roosevelt Post 58 (Polish Legion American Veterans), 2442 Professor St.

 

 

The owner 3CRS LLC (aka Anthony Cross, general manager of Happy Dog) and Jake Szaraz of MJM Building Standards Inc have submitted a change of use for the property. The change is not specified so that's why it bears watching to see what happens next here. BTW, in addition to Szaraz running MJM, he also has developed some big warehouse and commercial projects for Ray Fogg https://www.fogg.com/bio/jake-szaraz-pe/

2 hours ago, KJP said:

This might be worth watching. A change of use permit request (Record B25005732) was submitted to the city today for the Tremont Neighborhood Veterans Club-Roosevelt Post 58 (Polish Legion American Veterans), 2442 Professor St.

 

 

The owner 3CRS LLC (aka Anthony Cross, general manager of Happy Dog) and Jake Szaraz of MJM Building Standards Inc have submitted a change of use for the property. The change is not specified so that's why it bears watching to see what happens next here. BTW, in addition to Szaraz running MJM, he also has developed some big warehouse and commercial projects for Ray Fogg https://www.fogg.com/bio/jake-szaraz-pe/

 

Tom McIntyre of Kate's Fish is opening a spot there. Can't wait to see what they do with the space.

 

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/tom-mcintyre-of-kates-fish-to-open-seafood-bar-in-tremont-45886610

 

 

St. Theodosius Cathedral restoration plan set
By Ken Prendergast / February 25, 2025

 

A team of contractors, architects and structural engineers is about to start visible efforts of what is more than just a job, but a vocation. That calling is to restore the 114-year-old St. Theodosius Cathedral in Cleveland’s Tremont neighborhood to its former glory, from the ashes of a devastating fire that occurred on May 28, 2024.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/25/st-theodosius-cathedral-restoration-plan-set/

Lincoln Heights apartments... pick an angle, any angle

Edited March 10Mar 10 by sonisharri

I apologize for the sub-par photos.  This is going in at 2678 w14th and I was told it'd be a physical therapy joint, can anyone confirm?

 

It's nice to see Pace cafe which is next door doing great, now we just need to fill the newly vacant salon.. which was my favorite salon damnit.

I was talking to the cafe owners and they have this  contract with sherwin williams from the juices they make. My point being even if things get a little slow for the store the cafe has secondary revenue streams which is cool cause i'd like them to stay.

 

Tomorrow I'll grab some progress shots of the gas station at 14th and Clark. Best case scenario one of those other stations (sunoco pls) shuts down and that land can be infilled with literally anything for the love of god.

I will say it feels like a nice addition to the corner if it's gotta be a gas station it couldn't be any better.

Thanks for the info - been wondering about that space. When taking photos through glass/windows, place your phone flat against the glass - it'll cut down on reflections.

21 hours ago, FutureboyWonder said:

I apologize for the sub-par photos.  This is going in at 2678 w14th and I was told it'd be a physical therapy joint, can anyone confirm?

 

 

Correct -- to be called Med Spa. A $150,000 renovation for a 2,400 SF space.

13 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Correct -- to be called Med Spa. A $150,000 renovation for a 2,400 SF space.

Noice I might be able to send them their first patient.

 

If I wanna do this following development stuff I really ought to get better at looking up permits and what not for places instead of waiting on yall.

Briefly using the open data site on mobile was a nightmare.

On 3/30/2025 at 7:51 PM, FutureboyWonder said:

I apologize for the sub-par photos.  This is going in at 2678 w14th and I was told it'd be a physical therapy joint, can anyone confirm?

 

It's nice to see Pace cafe which is next door doing great, now we just need to fill the newly vacant salon.. which was my favorite salon damnit.

I was talking to the cafe owners and they have this  contract with sherwin williams from the juices they make. My point being even if things get a little slow for the store the cafe has secondary revenue streams which is cool cause i'd like them to stay.

 

Tomorrow I'll grab some progress shots of the gas station at 14th and Clark. Best case scenario one of those other stations (sunoco pls) shuts down and that land can be infilled with literally anything for the love of god.

I will say it feels like a nice addition to the corner if it's gotta be a gas station it couldn't be any better.

The reflections actually provide us a helpful neighborhood context whether intended or not.

i am actually impressed with the size of the interior. Is this just one vendor or will they split it up?

 

 

Bonus pic, tremont lofts look a lot less tacky imo with a coat of paint.

Nothing classes up brick like a good coat of paint!

"Lofts" yeah right 🙄. How about these get replaced with townhomes rather than the proposed house tear-downs up thread.

"Lofts?" Looks more like Projects to me. Or just cheap apartments in any cheap suburb. Necessary, sure but beyond that, it's just basic housing.

Edited April 4Apr 4 by cadmen

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

"Lofts?" Looks more like Projects to me. Or just cheap apartments in any cheap suburb. Necessary, sure but beyond that, it's just basic housing.

The only accurate part of the name West 14 Lofts seems to be West 14. 

https://www.apartments.com/west-14-lofts-cleveland-oh/63s47lv/

Paint may help but definitely is not Tremont Place Lofts

New restaurant going into the new Driftwood Apartments at West 11th and Fairfield. Several of the plan renderings show a project name as "Keen-Driftwood Catering" but after searching on that in multiple databases, I cannot find anything with that name to provide more information.